Internet Explorer 7 - wow!

[Rob Nicholson]

Can I just say "wow" - just installed IE7 on my dev PC (after imaging it
first - I'm not that mad) and the effect on a database type application I'm
developing is under ASP.NET v1.1 is amazing:

It feels a lot faster switching from record to record so I assume JavaScript
has been given a boost. We use the powerful but sluggish NetAdvantage
controls which make heavy use of JavaScript.

It doesn't flicker anymore when switching between records! We don't use
Smart Navigation as it caused too many problems with the NetAdvantage
controls. Heck, the application almost feels like a Windows client app -
that's only taken 10 years ;-)

And the fact that sending a link by email now doesn't include that annoying
URL attachment which is always blocked is worth the upgrade.

Shame our customers won't be running it for a while :-(

Any showstopper's yet though?

Cheers, Rob.

[Göran Andersson]

Rob Nicholson wrote:

Can I just say "wow" - just installed IE7 on my dev PC (after imaging it
first - I'm not that mad) and the effect on a database type application I'm
developing is under ASP.NET v1.1 is amazing:

It feels a lot faster switching from record to record so I assume JavaScript
has been given a boost. We use the powerful but sluggish NetAdvantage
controls which make heavy use of JavaScript.

It doesn't flicker anymore when switching between records! We don't use
Smart Navigation as it caused too many problems with the NetAdvantage
controls. Heck, the application almost feels like a Windows client app -
that's only taken 10 years ;-)

And the fact that sending a link by email now doesn't include that annoying
URL attachment which is always blocked is worth the upgrade.

Shame our customers won't be running it for a while :-(

Any showstopper's yet though?

Cheers, Rob.

Yes, IE7 really is a lot faster than IE6. Now it's almost as fast as
Firefox and Opera. ;)

IE7 will be available through windows update, so I expect that quite a
few will be using it soon. I believe that there is a lot of web
developers that plan to drop support for IE6 as soon as possible, i.e.
when usage drops below a certain percent.

[Smokey Grindel]

Heck we already dropped support for IE6 basically and are recommending our
clients to upgrade to FF2 or IE7 as soon as possible, our sites still work
in IE6 but really we dont want to support it now that MS is going to push
IE7 through windows update in november now...

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comwrote in message
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Rob Nicholson wrote:

>Can I just say "wow" - just installed IE7 on my dev PC (after imaging it
first - I'm not that mad) and the effect on a database type application
I'm developing is under ASP.NET v1.1 is amazing:

It feels a lot faster switching from record to record so I assume
JavaScript has been given a boost. We use the powerful but sluggish
NetAdvantage controls which make heavy use of JavaScript.

It doesn't flicker anymore when switching between records! We don't use
Smart Navigation as it caused too many problems with the NetAdvantage
controls. Heck, the application almost feels like a Windows client app -
that's only taken 10 years ;-)

And the fact that sending a link by email now doesn't include that
annoying URL attachment which is always blocked is worth the upgrade.

Shame our customers won't be running it for a while :-(

Any showstopper's yet though?

Cheers, Rob.

Yes, IE7 really is a lot faster than IE6. Now it's almost as fast as
Firefox and Opera. ;)

IE7 will be available through windows update, so I expect that quite a few
will be using it soon. I believe that there is a lot of web developers
that plan to drop support for IE6 as soon as possible, i.e. when usage
drops below a certain percent.

[Mark Rae]

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comwrote in message
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IE7 will be available through windows update, so I expect that quite a few
will be using it soon. I believe that there is a lot of web developers
that plan to drop support for IE6 as soon as possible, i.e. when usage
drops below a certain percent.

I certainly intend to do that.

[clintonG]

And what are you going to tell your clients when they realize IE7 deletes
their Favorites when trying to drag and drop?

<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
"Smokey Grindel" <no****@nospam.netwrote in message
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Heck we already dropped support for IE6 basically and are recommending our
clients to upgrade to FF2 or IE7 as soon as possible, our sites still work
in IE6 but really we dont want to support it now that MS is going to push
IE7 through windows update in november now...

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comwrote in message
news:e1****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>Rob Nicholson wrote:

>>Can I just say "wow" - just installed IE7 on my dev PC (after imaging it
first - I'm not that mad) and the effect on a database type application
I'm developing is under ASP.NET v1.1 is amazing:

It feels a lot faster switching from record to record so I assume
JavaScript has been given a boost. We use the powerful but sluggish
NetAdvantage controls which make heavy use of JavaScript.

It doesn't flicker anymore when switching between records! We don't use
Smart Navigation as it caused too many problems with the NetAdvantage
controls. Heck, the application almost feels like a Windows client app -
that's only taken 10 years ;-)

And the fact that sending a link by email now doesn't include that
annoying URL attachment which is always blocked is worth the upgrade.

Shame our customers won't be running it for a while :-(

Any showstopper's yet though?

Cheers, Rob.

Yes, IE7 really is a lot faster than IE6. Now it's almost as fast as
Firefox and Opera. ;)

IE7 will be available through windows update, so I expect that quite a
few will be using it soon. I believe that there is a lot of web
developers that plan to drop support for IE6 as soon as possible, i.e.
when usage drops below a certain percent.

[Smokey Grindel]

I don't see that behavior here, what are your repo steps for doing this?

"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.comwro te in message
news:e5***************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

And what are you going to tell your clients when they realize IE7 deletes
their Favorites when trying to drag and drop?

<%= Clinton Gallagher
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
"Smokey Grindel" <no****@nospam.netwrote in message
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>Heck we already dropped support for IE6 basically and are recommending
our clients to upgrade to FF2 or IE7 as soon as possible, our sites still
work in IE6 but really we dont want to support it now that MS is going to
push IE7 through windows update in november now...

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comwrote in message
news:e1****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>Rob Nicholson wrote:
Can I just say "wow" - just installed IE7 on my dev PC (after imaging
it first - I'm not that mad) and the effect on a database type
application I'm developing is under ASP.NET v1.1 is amazing:

It feels a lot faster switching from record to record so I assume
JavaScript has been given a boost. We use the powerful but sluggish
NetAdvantage controls which make heavy use of JavaScript.

It doesn't flicker anymore when switching between records! We don't use
Smart Navigation as it caused too many problems with the NetAdvantage
controls. Heck, the application almost feels like a Windows client
app - that's only taken 10 years ;-)

And the fact that sending a link by email now doesn't include that
annoying URL attachment which is always blocked is worth the upgrade.

Shame our customers won't be running it for a while :-(

Any showstopper's yet though?

Cheers, Rob.

Yes, IE7 really is a lot faster than IE6. Now it's almost as fast as
Firefox and Opera. ;)

IE7 will be available through windows update, so I expect that quite a
few will be using it soon. I believe that there is a lot of web
developers that plan to drop support for IE6 as soon as possible, i.e.
when usage drops below a certain percent.

[Mark Rae]

"Smokey Grindel" <no****@nospam.netwrote in message
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>I don't see that behavior here

Me neither.

[515331Jack3490]

asp.net is 2.0 now
u should upgrade

"Rob Nicholson" <in******@community.nospamwrote in message
news:On****************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

Can I just say "wow" - just installed IE7 on my dev PC (after imaging it
first - I'm not that mad) and the effect on a database type application
I'm developing is under ASP.NET v1.1 is amazing:

It feels a lot faster switching from record to record so I assume
JavaScript has been given a boost. We use the powerful but sluggish
NetAdvantage controls which make heavy use of JavaScript.

It doesn't flicker anymore when switching between records! We don't use
Smart Navigation as it caused too many problems with the NetAdvantage
controls. Heck, the application almost feels like a Windows client app -
that's only taken 10 years ;-)

And the fact that sending a link by email now doesn't include that
annoying URL attachment which is always blocked is worth the upgrade.

Shame our customers won't be running it for a while :-(

Any showstopper's yet though?

Cheers, Rob.

[Przemek Ptasznik]

Rob Nicholson napisa³(a):

Can I just say "wow"

Sure, but its still in stone age if we talk about webstandards. It still
doesn't support css and will be the same hell for webdevelopers who
wants to be standard compliant. Just take a look at
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html
and compare it's rendering with other browsers...

--
PP

[Smokey Grindel]

wow you people and ACID tests, guess what they mean nothing! it's just how
well can it handle errors in CSS, not how well can it render... btw FireFox
doesnt render CSS correctly also! no browser does! so they are all in the
stone age compared to the CSS 2 & 3 standards... IE 7 renders CSS 2 a LOT
better then IE6 and near close to FireFox, IE8 will have all the remaining
problems worked out from what MS says

"Przemek Ptasznik" <pp******@mila.wywal.to.edu.pllwrote in message
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Rob Nicholson napisa³(a):

>Can I just say "wow"

Sure, but its still in stone age if we talk about webstandards. It still
doesn't support css and will be the same hell for webdevelopers who wants
to be standard compliant. Just take a look at
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html
and compare it's rendering with other browsers...

--
PP

[Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]]

Stone Age, huh? I heard that Web 3.0 is out already. Better upgrade!
:-)
--
Co-founder, Eggheadcafe.com developer portal:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com
UnBlog:
http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com


"Smokey Grindel" wrote:

wow you people and ACID tests, guess what they mean nothing! it's just how
well can it handle errors in CSS, not how well can it render... btw FireFox
doesnt render CSS correctly also! no browser does! so they are all in the
stone age compared to the CSS 2 & 3 standards... IE 7 renders CSS 2 a LOT
better then IE6 and near close to FireFox, IE8 will have all the remaining
problems worked out from what MS says

"Przemek Ptasznik" <pp******@mila.wywal.to.edu.pllwrote in message
news:ei**********@inews.gazeta.pl...

Rob Nicholson napisa³(a):

Can I just say "wow"

Sure, but its still in stone age if we talk about webstandards. It still
doesn't support css and will be the same hell for webdevelopers who wants
to be standard compliant. Just take a look at
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html
and compare it's rendering with other browsers...

--
PP

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

It still doesn't support css

What ?

Please review :
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/08/22/712830.aspx

Granted, there's a lot still to be done but a lot *has* been done.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Przemek Ptasznik" <pp******@mila.wywal.to.edu.pllwrote in message
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Rob Nicholson napisa³(a):

>Can I just say "wow"

Sure, but its still in stone age if we talk about webstandards. It still doesn't support css and
will be the same hell for webdevelopers who wants to be standard compliant. Just take a look at
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html
and compare it's rendering with other browsers...

--
PP

[Michael D. Ober]

IE7 won't be available on Windows 2000 SP4, which is still used heavily in
small businesses simply because they can't afford to update everytime MS
releases a new OS. Remember, a lot of systems never get upgraded from their
original OS and the hardware running Windows 2000 is still plenty powerful
for most business applications..

Mike Ober.

"Göran Andersson" <gu***@guffa.comwrote in message
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Rob Nicholson wrote:

Any showstopper's yet though?

Cheers, Rob.

Yes, IE7 really is a lot faster than IE6. Now it's almost as fast as
Firefox and Opera. ;)

IE7 will be available through windows update, so I expect that quite a
few will be using it soon. I believe that there is a lot of web
developers that plan to drop support for IE6 as soon as possible, i.e.
when usage drops below a certain percent.

[Rob Nicholson]

Any showstopper's yet though?

Answering my own post but after a day of using IE7 and VS 2003, VS 2003 has
taken to crashing pretty regularly after I've been in a code, run, code, run
cycle. I'm going to reboot but if it carries on like this, it's back to IE6
for a while :-(

Cheers, Rob.

[Rob Nicholson]

asp.net is 2.0 now

u should upgrade

Takes time for us to catch up. Heck - we've just spent the last six months
adding major functionality to a VB6 app :-)

Rob.

[Przemek Ptasznik]

Smokey Grindel napisa³(a):

wow you people and ACID tests, guess what they mean nothing! it's just how
well can it handle errors in CSS

Errors too. But mostly correct interpret css.

>btw FireFox
doesnt render CSS correctly also!

Right. But it's much closer than IE.

>no browser does!

Wrong.
Many browsers does (Opera, Konqueror,Safari..)

>IE 7 renders CSS 2 a LOT better then IE6

Right. It's not very difficult to render better than IE6:)

and near close to FireFox,

Did you ever looked at rendering results or you just guessing?
Try http://osiolki.net/acid2/ for example if you don't have time to test
it yourself.

>IE8 will have all the remaining
problems worked out from what MS says

I hope so.
But till we have IE7, there's no revolution here. Rather few fixes and
eliminating most annoying bugs in css support.

Anyway, I'm not against any browser, I just try to build my websites in
way they can be accessed by most users independent of the browser they
use. IE's leading position in market is causing only more problems in
building websites - webdevelopers couldn't just follow webstandards
because they must keep building special versions of css for IE to avoid
it's quirks.
IE7 isn't a big step forward in this context.

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PP

[Przemek Ptasznik]

Juan T. Llibre napisa³(a):

re:

>It still doesn't support css

What ?

I mean doesn't support css well.

>
Please review :
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/08/22/712830.aspx

I did. With hope...but it's rather disappointing.

>
Granted, there's a lot still to be done but a lot *has* been done.

I agree. But while there is such a distance between modern browsers and
IE it will be still too little to be happy with it.

Greatest advance is in UI. In this category at least IE is not so far
behind other browsers.

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PP