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how'd they do that

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hey all,
you know when you log in to msdn and go to subscription downloads, the
header of the page is fixed and the body of the page scrolls, is that done
with frames?

thanks,
rodchar
Sep 20 '06 #1
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do you have a link? because I can't see what you mean (ans maybe I'm not
alone in this situation)... ;)
"rodchar" <ro*****@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:BD**********************************@microsof t.com...
hey all,
you know when you log in to msdn and go to subscription downloads, the
header of the page is fixed and the body of the page scrolls, is that done
with frames?

thanks,
rodchar

Sep 20 '06 #2

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http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions/

Once logged in click on Subscriber Downloads and Product Keys link.

"ThunderMusic" wrote:
do you have a link? because I can't see what you mean (ans maybe I'm not
alone in this situation)... ;)
"rodchar" <ro*****@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:BD**********************************@microsof t.com...
hey all,
you know when you log in to msdn and go to subscription downloads, the
header of the page is fixed and the body of the page scrolls, is that done
with frames?

thanks,
rodchar


Sep 20 '06 #3

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"rodchar" <ro*****@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:BD**********************************@microsof t.com...
you know when you log in to msdn and go to subscription downloads, the
header of the page is fixed and the body of the page scrolls, is that done
with frames?
If you do a View Source, you can clearly see the FRAMESET tags...
Sep 20 '06 #4

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re:
is that done with frames?
Probably not, given the headers returned:

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 14:10:13 GMT
Server: Microsoft-IIS/6.0
X-Powered-By: ASP.NET

They're probably using a Master Page...


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"rodchar" <ro*****@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:BD**********************************@microsof t.com...
hey all,
you know when you log in to msdn and go to subscription downloads, the
header of the page is fixed and the body of the page scrolls, is that done
with frames?

thanks,
rodchar

Sep 20 '06 #5

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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:uq****************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
re:
>is that done with frames?

Probably not, given the headers returned:
Here's some code from the page's View Source:

<FRAMESET cols=198,* frameborder="1" FRAMESPACING="6" TOPMARGIN="0"
LEFTMARGIN="0" MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" id="MyFrameset"
name="TocFrame">
<FRAMESET rows="75,*" frameborder="1" FRAMESPACING="0">
<frame name="frameTOCSearch" FRAMESPACING="0" FRAMEBORDER="no"
BORDER="0" src="GlobalSearch.aspx" scrolling=no >
<frame name="frameTOC" frameborder=no src="Tree.aspx" FRAMESPACING="0"
BORDER="0" scrolling="Auto" >
</FRAMESET>
Sep 20 '06 #6

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Mark,

you must be looking at a different page.

Once you're signed into Subscriber Services :
https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscript...scription.aspx
....the "view source" buttons are disabled.

You CANNOT "view source" at MSDN once you're logged in.


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"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:uq****************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>re:
>>is that done with frames?

Probably not, given the headers returned:

Here's some code from the page's View Source:

<FRAMESET cols=198,* frameborder="1" FRAMESPACING="6" TOPMARGIN="0" LEFTMARGIN="0"
MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" id="MyFrameset" name="TocFrame">
<FRAMESET rows="75,*" frameborder="1" FRAMESPACING="0">
<frame name="frameTOCSearch" FRAMESPACING="0" FRAMEBORDER="no" BORDER="0"
src="GlobalSearch.aspx" scrolling=no >
<frame name="frameTOC" frameborder=no src="Tree.aspx" FRAMESPACING="0" BORDER="0"
scrolling="Auto" >
</FRAMESET>

Sep 20 '06 #7

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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
you must be looking at a different page.

Once you're signed into Subscriber Services :
https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscript...scription.aspx
I clicked the above link, signed in, then clicked the "Subscriber Downloads
and Product Keys link as the OP requested.
...the "view source" buttons are disabled.

You CANNOT "view source" at MSDN once you're logged in.
Well, actually I CAN...

This is the main frame page's source:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<head id="Head1" Text="MSDN Subscriber Downloads" AccessKey=""
ToolTip=""><link href="common/InnerPageStyles.CSS" type="text/css"
rel="STYLESHEET" /><title>
MSDN Subscriber Downloads
</title>
<script>

//function fnChangeTitle(title)
//{
// document.title = title;
//var japTitle = document.getElementById("japtitle").value;
//if((
window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFra meset").getAttribute('cols')
== '220,*') || (
window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFra meset").getAttribute('cols')
== '198,*') )
// {
// if(title==japTitle)
// {

//
window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFra meset").setAttribute('cols','220,*');
//}
//else
//{
//
window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFra meset").setAttribute('cols','198,*');
//}
//}
//}
// TechNet 3.2
// Change the Function implementation for handling other languages
introduced in TechNet
//Adding one more Parameter because In Italian(it)
//Title is not localized means it is in english so it was
conflicting with english.
function fnChangeTitle(title,IsItalian)
{

document.title = title;
var japTitle = document.getElementById("japtitle").value;
var Gertitle = document.getElementById("Gertitle").value;
var Frtitle = document.getElementById("Frtitle").value;
var Ittitle = document.getElementById("Ittitle").value;

if(title==japTitle)
{

window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFra meset").setAttribute('cols','220,*');
}

else if(title==Gertitle)
{

window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFra meset").setAttribute('cols','250,*');
}
else if(title==Frtitle)
{
window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFra meset").setAttribute('cols','250,*');
}
else if(title==Ittitle && IsItalian=="true")
{
window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFra meset").setAttribute('cols','250,*');
}
else
{
window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFra meset").setAttribute('cols','198,*');
}
}

</script>
</head>

<noscript>
<table width="100%" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="10">
<tr>
<td class="DefaultText">
<span id="lblNoScript"><br/><br/>
This site uses Javascript. Please enable Javascript in the browser and
then refresh the page.
<br/>
</span>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</noscript>

<div id="divPageContent" style="display:none;"><input name="japtitle"
type="hidden" id="japtitle" value="MSDN ??????? ??????" />
<!-- TechNet 3.2 For Increasing and Decreasing width of Frame so that
Button and Textbox can fit in the Frame-->
<input name="Gertitle" type="hidden" id="Gertitle"
value="MSDN-Abonnentendownloads" />
<input name="Ittitle" type="hidden" id="Ittitle" value="MSDN Subscriber
Downloads" />
<input name="Frtitle" type="hidden" id="Frtitle" value="Téléchargements
pour les abonnés MSDN" />
<script language="javascript">
if(screen.width <= 800)
{
document.write('<frameset rows="107,*,59"
framespacing="0" frameborder="0" >');
document.write('<frame name="frameHeader"
src="MSDN/Header.aspx" scrolling=yes>');
}
else
{
document.write('<frameset rows="93,*,59"
framespacing="0" frameborder="0" >');
document.write('<frame name="frameHeader"
src="MSDN/Header.aspx" scrolling=no>');
}

</script>
<FRAMESET cols=198,* frameborder="1"
FRAMESPACING="6" TOPMARGIN="0" LEFTMARGIN="0" MARGINHEIGHT="0"
MARGINWIDTH="0" id="MyFrameset" name="TocFrame">
<FRAMESET rows="75,*"
frameborder="1" FRAMESPACING="0">
<frame
name="frameTOCSearch" FRAMESPACING="0" FRAMEBORDER="no" BORDER="0"
src="GlobalSearch.aspx" scrolling=no >
<frame
name="frameTOC" frameborder=no src="Tree.aspx" FRAMESPACING="0" BORDER="0"
scrolling="Auto" >
</FRAMESET>
<span id="scrollgenerator"
style="position:relative;top:100%;left:100%"></span>
<frame name="frameBody" src=WhatsHot.aspx FRAMEBORDER="no"
BORDER="1" BORDERCOLOR="#3568cc" marginwidth="10px" marginheight=0
scrolling=Auto >
</FRAMESET>
<frame noresize name="frameFooter" src="MSDN/Footer.aspx" scrolling
=no>
</frameset>

<script>
document.all.divPageContent.style.display = "block";
</script>
</div>

</html>


And this is the source for the frame which the OP was particularly
interested in:
<html>
<head>
<link href="Common/InnerPageStyles.css" type="text/css"
rel="stylesheet">
<style>
A:hover { FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana";
TEXT-DECORATION: underline }
</style>

<script language="javascript" src="Common/AllValidations.js"></script>

<title>
Whats Hot
</title>

<script language="JavaScript">
<!--

if (window.location.href.toLowerCase().indexOf("home. aspx")
!= -1)
{
if (window.parent != window)
parent.location.replace("home.aspx");
}
else
{
if (parent.location.href == location.href) {
parent.location.replace("home.aspx");
}
}

//-->

</script>

</head>
<body onload="javascript:SetScroll('frmWhatsHot', 'hidxCoordHolder',
'hidyCoordHolder');javascript:RefreshFrames();"
onscroll="javascript:GetCoords('frmWhatsHot', 'hidxCoordHolder',
'hidyCoordHolder')"
onkeypress="javascript:GetCoords('frmWhatsHot', 'hidxCoordHolder',
'hidyCoordHolder')"
onclick="javascript:GetCoords('frmWhatsHot', 'hidxCoordHolder',
'hidyCoordHolder')"
class="BackGroundColor" bottommargin="0" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0"
rightmargin="0">

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<body>
<table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0 height=19>
<tr>
<!-- Setting Value of CSS class after reading the value from
Web.Config according to Tenant -->
<td class= BlueContentHeader>
<span id="Title1_LblTitle">MSDN Subscriber
Downloads</span>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

<noscript>
<table width="100%" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="10">
<tr>
<td class="DefaultText">
<span id="lblNoScript"><br/><br/>
This site uses Javascript. Please enable Javascript in the browser and
then refresh the page.
<br/>
</span>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</noscript <form name="frmWhatsHot" method="post"
action="WhatsHot.aspx" id="frmWhatsHot">
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Sep 20 '06 #8

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huh ?
what "view source" buttons ?
right click : View Source
or top menu : View Source
msdn does not stop you from viewing source in any way
this page is definitely frames
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Mark,

you must be looking at a different page.

Once you're signed into Subscriber Services :
https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscript...scription.aspx
...the "view source" buttons are disabled.

You CANNOT "view source" at MSDN once you're logged in.


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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:uq****************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
re:
is that done with frames?

Probably not, given the headers returned:
Here's some code from the page's View Source:

<FRAMESET cols=198,* frameborder="1" FRAMESPACING="6" TOPMARGIN="0"
LEFTMARGIN="0"
MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" id="MyFrameset" name="TocFrame">
<FRAMESET rows="75,*" frameborder="1" FRAMESPACING="0">
<frame name="frameTOCSearch" FRAMESPACING="0" FRAMEBORDER="no"
BORDER="0"
src="GlobalSearch.aspx" scrolling=no >
<frame name="frameTOC" frameborder=no src="Tree.aspx"
FRAMESPACING="0" BORDER="0"
scrolling="Auto" >
</FRAMESET>


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"gerry" <ge**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:eC**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
what "view source" buttons ?
I was wondering that too...
right click : View Source
or top menu : View Source
That's certainly how I do it...
msdn does not stop you from viewing source in any way
Not as far as I can see...
this page is definitely frames
No doubt about it.
Sep 20 '06 #10

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Juan T. Llibre wrote:
>
You CANNOT "view source" at MSDN once you're logged in.
Of course you can. The browser can't render HTML if it can't pull it
from the web server. Thus, HTML can be pulled from the server, thus it
can be viewed. This has been the source of dozens of silly contests
and claims of pages with "unviewable source." None of these contests
or claims has ever stood for more than a few minutes.

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Sep 20 '06 #11

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re:
msdn does not stop you from viewing source in any way
Then, there's something wrong with my browser or with the site.
I can view source at other sites, though.


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"gerry" <ge**@nospam.nospamwrote in message news:eC**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
huh ?
what "view source" buttons ?
right click : View Source
or top menu : View Source
msdn does not stop you from viewing source in any way
this page is definitely frames
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>Mark,

you must be looking at a different page.

Once you're signed into Subscriber Services :
https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscript...scription.aspx
...the "view source" buttons are disabled.

You CANNOT "view source" at MSDN once you're logged in.


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"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message
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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:uq****************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

re:
is that done with frames?

Probably not, given the headers returned:

Here's some code from the page's View Source:

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LEFTMARGIN="0"
MARGINHEIGHT="0" MARGINWIDTH="0" id="MyFrameset" name="TocFrame">
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<frame name="frameTOCSearch" FRAMESPACING="0" FRAMEBORDER="no"
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src="GlobalSearch.aspx" scrolling=no >
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FRAMESPACING="0" BORDER="0"
scrolling="Auto" >
</FRAMESET>



Sep 20 '06 #12

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re:
Well, actually I CAN...
This is the main frame page's source:
Serves me right for relying on IE.
I opened the page with Firefox and, sure enough, it's as you say.

Now I'll have to see why IE is preventing me from viewing source on that page.
Thanks for nothing, Mark. I didn't need the extra sleuthing I'll have to do.

:-)


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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>you must be looking at a different page.

Once you're signed into Subscriber Services :
https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscript...scription.aspx

I clicked the above link, signed in, then clicked the "Subscriber Downloads and Product Keys link
as the OP requested.
>...the "view source" buttons are disabled.

You CANNOT "view source" at MSDN once you're logged in.

Well, actually I CAN...

This is the main frame page's source:
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"gerry" <ge**@nospam.nospamwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
using ie6 here - no problems viewing source
Me too.
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Hi Juan,

That *is* odd. Because in IE (6), I can view the source as well, no buttons
are disabled.

BTW, there's always a way to view the source code of an HTML document,
regardless of what the developer does to prevent it.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Software Composer

A watched clock never boils.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:eE**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
re:
>Well, actually I CAN...
This is the main frame page's source:

Serves me right for relying on IE.
I opened the page with Firefox and, sure enough, it's as you say.

Now I'll have to see why IE is preventing me from viewing source on that
page.
Thanks for nothing, Mark. I didn't need the extra sleuthing I'll have to
do.

:-)


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Mark Rae" <ma**@markNOSPAMrae.comwrote in message
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>"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
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>>you must be looking at a different page.

Once you're signed into Subscriber Services :
https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscript...scription.aspx

I clicked the above link, signed in, then clicked the "Subscriber
Downloads and Product Keys link as the OP requested.
>>...the "view source" buttons are disabled.

You CANNOT "view source" at MSDN once you're logged in.

Well, actually I CAN...

This is the main frame page's source:
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"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<head id="Head1" Text="MSDN Subscriber Downloads" AccessKey=""
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rel="STYLESHEET" /><title>
MSDN Subscriber Downloads
</title>
<script>

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window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFr ameset").getAttribute('cols')
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// {

//
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// Change the Function implementation for handling other languages
introduced in TechNet
//Adding one more Parameter because In Italian(it)
//Title is not localized means it is in english so it was
conflicting with english.
function fnChangeTitle(title,IsItalian)
{

document.title = title;
var japTitle = document.getElementById("japtitle").value;
var Gertitle = document.getElementById("Gertitle").value;
var Frtitle = document.getElementById("Frtitle").value;
var Ittitle = document.getElementById("Ittitle").value;

if(title==japTitle)
{
window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFr ameset").setAttribute('cols','220,*');
}

else if(title==Gertitle)
{
window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFr ameset").setAttribute('cols','250,*');
}
else if(title==Frtitle)
{

window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFr ameset").setAttribute('cols','250,*');
}
else if(title==Ittitle && IsItalian=="true")
{

window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFr ameset").setAttribute('cols','250,*');
}
else
{

window.top.TocFrame.document.getElementById("MyFr ameset").setAttribute('cols','198,*');
}
}

</script>
</head>

<noscript>
<table width="100%" align="center" border="0" cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="10">
<tr>
<td class="DefaultText">
<span id="lblNoScript"><br/><br/>
This site uses Javascript. Please enable Javascript in the browser and
then refresh the page.
<br/>
</span>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</noscript>

<div id="divPageContent" style="display:none;"><input name="japtitle"
type="hidden" id="japtitle" value="MSDN ??????? ??????" />
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<input name="Gertitle" type="hidden" id="Gertitle"
value="MSDN-Abonnentendownloads" />
<input name="Ittitle" type="hidden" id="Ittitle" value="MSDN
Subscriber Downloads" />
<input name="Frtitle" type="hidden" id="Frtitle"
value="Téléchargements pour les abonnés MSDN" />
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}
else
{
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document.write('<frame name="frameHeader"
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scrolling =no>
</frameset>

<script>
document.all.divPageContent.style.display = "block";
</script>
</div>

</html>


And this is the source for the frame which the OP was particularly
interested in:
<html>
<head>
<link href="Common/InnerPageStyles.css" type="text/css"
rel="stylesheet">
<style>
A:hover { FONT-SIZE: 8pt; COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: "Verdana";
TEXT-DECORATION: underline }
</style>

<script language="javascript" src="Common/AllValidations.js"></script>

<title>
Whats Hot
</title>

<script language="JavaScript">
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if (window.location.href.toLowerCase().indexOf("home. aspx")
!= -1)
{
if (window.parent != window)
parent.location.replace("home.aspx");
}
else
{
if (parent.location.href == location.href) {
parent.location.replace("home.aspx");
}
}

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</script>

</head>
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onscroll="javascript:GetCoords('frmWhatsHot', 'hidxCoordHolder',
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onkeypress="javascript:GetCoords('frmWhatsHot', 'hidxCoordHolder',
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onclick="javascript:GetCoords('frmWhatsHot', 'hidxCoordHolder',
'hidyCoordHolder')"
class="BackGroundColor" bottommargin="0" leftmargin="0" topmargin="0"
rightmargin="0">

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" >
<body>
<table cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0 height=19>
<tr>
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Web.Config according to Tenant -->
<td class= BlueContentHeader>
<span id="Title1_LblTitle">MSDN Subscriber
Downloads</span>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

<noscript>
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cellspacing="10">
<tr>
<td class="DefaultText">
<span id="lblNoScript"><br/><br/>
This site uses Javascript. Please enable Javascript in the browser and
then refresh the page.
<br/>
</span>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
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Sep 20 '06 #15

P: n/a
There are several different ways to view the HTML source code of a page.
Besides the "View Source" menu items, there is the File|SaveAs... command,
which enables you to download the HTML and all related media to a location
on your hard drive, after which you can open any of the pages in NotePad.
And there is also Temporary Internet Files.

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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:Om**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
re:
>Of course you can.

Maybe you and Mark can. I can't.

IE shows the "View Source" menus as disabled.
See the attached images.

Now, I'll have to do some sleuthing to find out why I can't.
As mentioned in my previous post, I can see the source fine with Firefox.

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"Jason Kester" <ja*********@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11********************@i3g2000cwc.googlegroup s.com...
>Juan T. Llibre wrote:
>>>
You CANNOT "view source" at MSDN once you're logged in.

Of course you can. The browser can't render HTML if it can't pull it
from the web server. Thus, HTML can be pulled from the server, thus it
can be viewed. This has been the source of dozens of silly contests
and claims of pages with "unviewable source." None of these contests
or claims has ever stood for more than a few minutes.

Jason Kester



Sep 20 '06 #16

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"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:Oy**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
This gets better by the minute.
See the attached graphic, which shows what happens when I try "Save as..."
What does it show...?
I can see a host of files from other sites, though.

I am furiously scratching my head.
Do you have a copy of Microsoft Virtual PC? If so, quickly knock up a VPC
with WinXP Home and see if you can view the MSDN source then...

Without getting all techie on you, mate, sounds like your browser is, as we
say, fucked...

:-)
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