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Poor NG Support....

Is this a holiday week?

There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question, they
deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their question and
offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....
Sep 13 '06 #1
40 1843
I don't think MS is required to answer the posts, unless the email comes
from an MSDN subscriber (at least this is my recollection).
In general, this is a peer to peer newsgroup, with people just using their
own time to help out. A lot of times posts do not get answered for reasons
having to do with the post (too long, not enough information, doesn't make
sense, question isn't clear).

"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?

There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....

Sep 13 '06 #2
Dear Marina,

I too don't think that Microsoft (MS) is required to answer posts.

I do think that ALL posts deserve an answer, EVEN IF IT IS A CONFUSING
QUESTION, TOO MUCH OR NOT ENOUGH INFO, WHATEVER.

If a question isn't clear or there are many solutions to a common problem
and it's apparent that the person didn't Ask.com or Google or search the NG
for their answer, they deserve at least that much of a response, it only
takes a moment.

Even when people post to the wrong NG, it only takes a moment to post that
you think their question is not appropriate for a particular NG and maybe
include a suggestion as to a better NG.

The only posts that don't require a response are spam or adverts.
JeffP...

"Marina Levit [MVP]" <so*****@nospam.comwrote in message
news:O$*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I don't think MS is required to answer the posts, unless the email comes
from an MSDN subscriber (at least this is my recollection).
In general, this is a peer to peer newsgroup, with people just using their
own time to help out. A lot of times posts do not get answered for reasons
having to do with the post (too long, not enough information, doesn't make
sense, question isn't clear).

"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>Is this a holiday week?

There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....


Sep 13 '06 #3
re:
There are way too many unanswered posts!
Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be answered.
Maybe you forget that this is basically a peer-to-peer assistance newsgroup,
although MSDN subscribers who have registered an alias with MSDN
are assured of an answer within 48 hours. There's not that many of them.

The rest of us dedicate time to answering questions on a
purely voluntary -unpaid- basis, as we have free time available.

It's likely that many of the regulars who spend their precious free time here,
answering questions asked by people like you, have an unusually busy week.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?
There are way too many unanswered posts!
I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question, they deserve a response
even if it is to clarify or re-state their question and offer a suggestion.
Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.
JeffP....

Sep 13 '06 #4
Again, my point is, that no one is *required* to answer any posts at all.
It's all voluntary. So no one can complain that their post didn't get
answered - because there is no one out there whose job it is to answer them.

"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Dear Marina,

I too don't think that Microsoft (MS) is required to answer posts.

I do think that ALL posts deserve an answer, EVEN IF IT IS A CONFUSING
QUESTION, TOO MUCH OR NOT ENOUGH INFO, WHATEVER.

If a question isn't clear or there are many solutions to a common problem
and it's apparent that the person didn't Ask.com or Google or search the
NG for their answer, they deserve at least that much of a response, it
only takes a moment.

Even when people post to the wrong NG, it only takes a moment to post that
you think their question is not appropriate for a particular NG and maybe
include a suggestion as to a better NG.

The only posts that don't require a response are spam or adverts.
JeffP...

"Marina Levit [MVP]" <so*****@nospam.comwrote in message
news:O$*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>I don't think MS is required to answer the posts, unless the email comes
from an MSDN subscriber (at least this is my recollection).
In general, this is a peer to peer newsgroup, with people just using
their own time to help out. A lot of times posts do not get answered for
reasons having to do with the post (too long, not enough information,
doesn't make sense, question isn't clear).

"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>Is this a holiday week?

There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....



Sep 13 '06 #5

"Marina Levit [MVP]" <so*****@nospam.comwrote in message
news:O$*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>I don't think MS is required to answer the posts, unless the email comes
from an MSDN subscriber (at least this is my recollection).
In general, this is a peer to peer newsgroup, with people just using their
own time to help out.
Yes, this is a P2P NG with MS response to MSDN subscribers.

Sep 13 '06 #6
I don't get it, almost all NG's are peer-to-peer, I've been NG'ing since
before the www, I don't care about MS or MSDN, it's not them I'm directing
my comments to. Those that I am, know who they are.

I usually work from 5:30am till about 2am, stopping to have a meal or pick
up the kids from school or take them to dance class, soccer, art class or
kungfu, so I too understand busy.

JeffP....
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:OJ**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
re:
>There are way too many unanswered posts!
Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be answered.

Maybe you forget that this is basically a peer-to-peer assistance
newsgroup,
although MSDN subscribers who have registered an alias with MSDN
are assured of an answer within 48 hours. There's not that many of them.

The rest of us dedicate time to answering questions on a
purely voluntary -unpaid- basis, as we have free time available.

It's likely that many of the regulars who spend their precious free time
here,
answering questions asked by people like you, have an unusually busy week.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>Is this a holiday week?
There are way too many unanswered posts!
>I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.
>Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.
>JeffP....


Sep 13 '06 #7
I'm a MSDN subscriber and my question hasn't been answered yet. There have
been times my post has never been answered and I've been an MSDN subscrriber
for 7 months now and in that time I say less then a 1/3 of my posting have
been responded to.

Do I care? Not really, BUT if MS responds to MSDN subscribers posting, then
in that case yeah I do.

if you can't find something here GOOGLE it, your bound to find something
there.
thats what i do , google first then post if i can't find a answer to my
question or issue I'm running into

"JeffP@Work" wrote:
I don't get it, almost all NG's are peer-to-peer, I've been NG'ing since
before the www, I don't care about MS or MSDN, it's not them I'm directing
my comments to. Those that I am, know who they are.

I usually work from 5:30am till about 2am, stopping to have a meal or pick
up the kids from school or take them to dance class, soccer, art class or
kungfu, so I too understand busy.

JeffP....
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:OJ**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
re:
There are way too many unanswered posts!
Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be answered.
Maybe you forget that this is basically a peer-to-peer assistance
newsgroup,
although MSDN subscribers who have registered an alias with MSDN
are assured of an answer within 48 hours. There's not that many of them.

The rest of us dedicate time to answering questions on a
purely voluntary -unpaid- basis, as we have free time available.

It's likely that many of the regulars who spend their precious free time
here,
answering questions asked by people like you, have an unusually busy week.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?
There are way too many unanswered posts!
I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.
Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.
JeffP....


Sep 13 '06 #8
I have found that some well-intentioned responses to my posts are not
entirely helpful.

However, other potential responders then seem to pass over my post, assuming
the question has been addressed because there is a response.

Therefore I prefer not to receive responses unless they are meaningful.

I read many posts when I can, but I rarely respond because I don't feel
confident that my answer is correct, and my response might prevent other,
more useful responses.

Even though I might not understand the question, if I ask for a
clarification or make a casual suggestion, the question will more likely
then be overlooked by someone who would understand it better than I.

I am hopeful that I can be a more useful contributor eventually, because I
receive a lot of assistance from the experts on the newsgroups who
voluntarily share their time.

-Bill
"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?

There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....

Sep 13 '06 #9
Have you associated a no-spam alias with your MSDN Subscription ?
If you haven't, MSDN support will never know you exist.

To access managed newsgroups, sign in at http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions
and follow the link to Managed Newsgroups in the benefit list.

Although anyone can view or post to these groups, in order to ensure you
a response within two business days, you must post using a registered no-spam alias.

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"CSharpguy" <CS*******@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:B3**********************************@microsof t.com...
I'm a MSDN subscriber and my question hasn't been answered yet. There have
been times my post has never been answered and I've been an MSDN subscrriber
for 7 months now and in that time I say less then a 1/3 of my posting have
been responded to.

Do I care? Not really, BUT if MS responds to MSDN subscribers posting, then
in that case yeah I do.

if you can't find something here GOOGLE it, your bound to find something
there.
thats what i do , google first then post if i can't find a answer to my
question or issue I'm running into

"JeffP@Work" wrote:
>I don't get it, almost all NG's are peer-to-peer, I've been NG'ing since
before the www, I don't care about MS or MSDN, it's not them I'm directing
my comments to. Those that I am, know who they are.

I usually work from 5:30am till about 2am, stopping to have a meal or pick
up the kids from school or take them to dance class, soccer, art class or
kungfu, so I too understand busy.

JeffP....
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:OJ**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
re:
There are way too many unanswered posts!
Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be answered.

Maybe you forget that this is basically a peer-to-peer assistance
newsgroup,
although MSDN subscribers who have registered an alias with MSDN
are assured of an answer within 48 hours. There's not that many of them.

The rest of us dedicate time to answering questions on a
purely voluntary -unpaid- basis, as we have free time available.

It's likely that many of the regulars who spend their precious free time
here,
answering questions asked by people like you, have an unusually busy week.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?
There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....





Sep 13 '06 #10
what do you mean by Have you associated a no-spam alias with your MSDN
Subscription ? my ID is linked to my email that I registered my MSDN
subscription to.

"Juan T. Llibre" wrote:
Have you associated a no-spam alias with your MSDN Subscription ?
If you haven't, MSDN support will never know you exist.

To access managed newsgroups, sign in at http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions
and follow the link to Managed Newsgroups in the benefit list.

Although anyone can view or post to these groups, in order to ensure you
a response within two business days, you must post using a registered no-spam alias.

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"CSharpguy" <CS*******@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:B3**********************************@microsof t.com...
I'm a MSDN subscriber and my question hasn't been answered yet. There have
been times my post has never been answered and I've been an MSDN subscrriber
for 7 months now and in that time I say less then a 1/3 of my posting have
been responded to.

Do I care? Not really, BUT if MS responds to MSDN subscribers posting, then
in that case yeah I do.

if you can't find something here GOOGLE it, your bound to find something
there.
thats what i do , google first then post if i can't find a answer to my
question or issue I'm running into

"JeffP@Work" wrote:
I don't get it, almost all NG's are peer-to-peer, I've been NG'ing since
before the www, I don't care about MS or MSDN, it's not them I'm directing
my comments to. Those that I am, know who they are.

I usually work from 5:30am till about 2am, stopping to have a meal or pick
up the kids from school or take them to dance class, soccer, art class or
kungfu, so I too understand busy.

JeffP....
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:OJ**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
re:
There are way too many unanswered posts!
Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be answered.

Maybe you forget that this is basically a peer-to-peer assistance
newsgroup,
although MSDN subscribers who have registered an alias with MSDN
are assured of an answer within 48 hours. There's not that many of them.

The rest of us dedicate time to answering questions on a
purely voluntary -unpaid- basis, as we have free time available.

It's likely that many of the regulars who spend their precious free time
here,
answering questions asked by people like you, have an unusually busy week.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?
There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....



Sep 13 '06 #11
"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:e6**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>I don't get it, almost all NG's are peer-to-peer, I've been NG'ing since
before the www, I don't care about MS or MSDN, it's not them I'm directing
my comments to. Those that I am, know who they are.
Such as who? Just precisely whose job do you think it is to respond to the
posts in here...?
I usually work from 5:30am till about 2am,
Wow - that's a pretty long day. You'd have thought you could have found a
quiet minute or two to respond to some posts yourself...
Sep 13 '06 #12

Sep 13 '06 #13

Sep 13 '06 #14
re:
what do you mean by Have you associated a no-spam alias with your MSDN
Subscription ? my ID is linked to my email that I registered my MSDN
subscription to.
That is not enough.

To repeat :
To access managed newsgroups, sign in at http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions
and follow the link to Managed Newsgroups in the benefit list.
You need to associate a no-spam posting alias with your MSDN Subscription at that page.

Step 1: Create Your Posting Alias

Microsoft registers your posting alias with your Passport account.
This ensures that your questions are answered promptly.
To protect you from unsolicited email, the posting alias is not an actual e-mail address.

To create a posting alias:

1. Choose a nickname and type it in the text box below.
This will be the first part of your posting alias.
This nickname should be unique and easy to remember,
yet should not closely resemble your real e-mail addresses.
2. Select a domain from the drop-down list below.
3. Click the Submit button below to register your alias.

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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===================================
"CSharpguy" <CS*******@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:28**********************************@microsof t.com...
what do you mean by Have you associated a no-spam alias with your MSDN
Subscription ? my ID is linked to my email that I registered my MSDN
subscription to.

"Juan T. Llibre" wrote:
>Have you associated a no-spam alias with your MSDN Subscription ?
If you haven't, MSDN support will never know you exist.

To access managed newsgroups, sign in at http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions
and follow the link to Managed Newsgroups in the benefit list.

Although anyone can view or post to these groups, in order to ensure you
a response within two business days, you must post using a registered no-spam alias.

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"CSharpguy" <CS*******@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:B3**********************************@microso ft.com...
I'm a MSDN subscriber and my question hasn't been answered yet. There have
been times my post has never been answered and I've been an MSDN subscrriber
for 7 months now and in that time I say less then a 1/3 of my posting have
been responded to.

Do I care? Not really, BUT if MS responds to MSDN subscribers posting, then
in that case yeah I do.

if you can't find something here GOOGLE it, your bound to find something
there.
thats what i do , google first then post if i can't find a answer to my
question or issue I'm running into

"JeffP@Work" wrote:

I don't get it, almost all NG's are peer-to-peer, I've been NG'ing since
before the www, I don't care about MS or MSDN, it's not them I'm directing
my comments to. Those that I am, know who they are.

I usually work from 5:30am till about 2am, stopping to have a meal or pick
up the kids from school or take them to dance class, soccer, art class or
kungfu, so I too understand busy.

JeffP....
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:OJ**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
re:
There are way too many unanswered posts!
Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be answered.

Maybe you forget that this is basically a peer-to-peer assistance
newsgroup,
although MSDN subscribers who have registered an alias with MSDN
are assured of an answer within 48 hours. There's not that many of them.

The rest of us dedicate time to answering questions on a
purely voluntary -unpaid- basis, as we have free time available.

It's likely that many of the regulars who spend their precious free time
here,
answering questions asked by people like you, have an unusually busy week.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?
There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....





Sep 13 '06 #15
IMHO, the nature of ASP.net has become too complex. Folks are using multiple languages , development tools, databases, add-ins, etc,
that it is very difficult to find someone that is capable of responding to the posting.

Only very basic fundamental questions typically get answered.

My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example:
--separate vb and c# users

Sep 13 '06 #16
re:
My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example: --separate vb and c# users
That would result in a more chaotic organization of knowledge.

My suggestion is for ASP.NET programmers to be proficient in both languages.
That would work out to everybody's benefit.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
IMHO, the nature of ASP.net has become too complex. Folks are using multiple languages ,
development tools, databases, add-ins, etc, that it is very difficult to find someone that is
capable of responding to the posting.

Only very basic fundamental questions typically get answered.
My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example:
--separate vb and c# users

Sep 13 '06 #17
It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
re:
>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example: --separate vb and c# users

That would result in a more chaotic organization of knowledge.

My suggestion is for ASP.NET programmers to be proficient in both languages.
That would work out to everybody's benefit.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>IMHO, the nature of ASP.net has become too complex. Folks are using multiple languages , development tools, databases, add-ins,
etc, that it is very difficult to find someone that is capable of responding to the posting.

Only very basic fundamental questions typically get answered.
>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example:
--separate vb and c# users


Sep 13 '06 #18
re:
It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...
It's not knowledge if you don't learn it.

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===================================
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:e7**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>re:
>>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example: --separate vb and c#
users

That would result in a more chaotic organization of knowledge.

My suggestion is for ASP.NET programmers to be proficient in both languages.
That would work out to everybody's benefit.


Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
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>>IMHO, the nature of ASP.net has become too complex. Folks are using multiple languages ,
development tools, databases, add-ins, etc, that it is very difficult to find someone that is
capable of responding to the posting.

Only very basic fundamental questions typically get answered.
>>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example:
--separate vb and c# users



Sep 13 '06 #19
You can't complain about getting no response to this post!
"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?

There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....

Sep 13 '06 #20
learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message news:OH**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
re:
>It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...

It's not knowledge if you don't learn it.

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"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:e7**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...

>"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>re:
My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example: --separate vb and c# users

That would result in a more chaotic organization of knowledge.

My suggestion is for ASP.NET programmers to be proficient in both languages.
That would work out to everybody's benefit.


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"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
IMHO, the nature of ASP.net has become too complex. Folks are using multiple languages , development tools, databases, add-ins,
etc, that it is very difficult to find someone that is capable of responding to the posting.

Only very basic fundamental questions typically get answered.

My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example:
--separate vb and c# users




Sep 13 '06 #21
re:
learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.
And, of course, what you think is good for you must be good for everybody.
It looks like you have a lot to learn...and don't even know it.

Good bye, Jon. I won't waste any more of everybody's time replying to you.
If you don't want to learn, there isn't much we can do for you.

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"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:e1**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:OH**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>re:
>>It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...

It's not knowledge if you don't learn it.

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"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:e7**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...

>>"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
re:
My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example: --separate vb and c#
users

That would result in a more chaotic organization of knowledge.

My suggestion is for ASP.NET programmers to be proficient in both languages.
That would work out to everybody's benefit.


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"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
IMHO, the nature of ASP.net has become too complex. Folks are using multiple languages ,
development tools, databases, add-ins, etc, that it is very difficult to find someone that is
capable of responding to the posting.
>
Only very basic fundamental questions typically get answered.

My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example:
--separate vb and c# users




Sep 13 '06 #22


It's a fact that learning languages that will never be used is a waste of time.

Trying to argue otherwise is just stupid, so don't go away mad, just go away .
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message news:e6*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
re:
>learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.

And, of course, what you think is good for you must be good for everybody.
It looks like you have a lot to learn...and don't even know it.

Good bye, Jon. I won't waste any more of everybody's time replying to you.
If you don't want to learn, there isn't much we can do for you.

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===================================
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:e1**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.

>"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message news:OH**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>re:
It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...

It's not knowledge if you don't learn it.

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"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:e7**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
re:
>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example: --separate vb and c# users
>
That would result in a more chaotic organization of knowledge.
>
My suggestion is for ASP.NET programmers to be proficient in both languages.
That would work out to everybody's benefit.
>
>
>
>
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"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>IMHO, the nature of ASP.net has become too complex. Folks are using multiple languages , development tools, databases,
>add-ins, etc, that it is very difficult to find someone that is capable of responding to the posting.
>>
>Only very basic fundamental questions typically get answered.
>
>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example:
>--separate vb and c# users
>
>




Sep 13 '06 #23
lol.....now thats funny.

--
--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
"BillE" <be****@datamti.comwrote in message
news:OS**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
You can't complain about getting no response to this post!
"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>Is this a holiday week?

There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....


Sep 13 '06 #24
I have to side with Marina on this one!

Given I work for a living, and I dont get paid for this, I tend to answer
the questions that are concise enough to merit a little of my time, rather
than a full blown research project that I would normally expect to be paid
for - and I only usually answer questions that are clear enough to have
shown the poster has considered the best way to get an answer by thinking
carefully about the question being posted. Its a two way street - no one is
employed in these groups but the regulars actually give a lot of time, and
many questions do actually get answered, even if not immediately.

You should also consider that if people expect in-depth help on what are
often some highly complex topics, with extensive debugging often required
and don't get it they can always hire professionals to solve it for them.

--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
"Marina Levit [MVP]" <so*****@nospam.comwrote in message
news:e4**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Again, my point is, that no one is *required* to answer any posts at all.
It's all voluntary. So no one can complain that their post didn't get
answered - because there is no one out there whose job it is to answer
them.

"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>Dear Marina,

I too don't think that Microsoft (MS) is required to answer posts.

I do think that ALL posts deserve an answer, EVEN IF IT IS A CONFUSING
QUESTION, TOO MUCH OR NOT ENOUGH INFO, WHATEVER.

If a question isn't clear or there are many solutions to a common problem
and it's apparent that the person didn't Ask.com or Google or search the
NG for their answer, they deserve at least that much of a response, it
only takes a moment.

Even when people post to the wrong NG, it only takes a moment to post
that you think their question is not appropriate for a particular NG and
maybe include a suggestion as to a better NG.

The only posts that don't require a response are spam or adverts.
JeffP...

"Marina Levit [MVP]" <so*****@nospam.comwrote in message
news:O$*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>I don't think MS is required to answer the posts, unless the email comes
from an MSDN subscriber (at least this is my recollection).
In general, this is a peer to peer newsgroup, with people just using
their own time to help out. A lot of times posts do not get answered for
reasons having to do with the post (too long, not enough information,
doesn't make sense, question isn't clear).

"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?

There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....



Sep 13 '06 #25
Thats not entirely true, I've learned about languages and tools I would
never use so I could balance design choices and justify/rationalise my
technical decisions. I have learned to program in VB, LISP, C#, VB.NET,
Java, can turn my hand to C/C++ and know PHP, but the only one I ever really
use is C#. It is good to know in what circumstance I might choose one of
the others though so its never a waste of time if you have a reason for
learning it, even if you might never use it! The more I know the more
chocies I have!

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>

It's a fact that learning languages that will never be used is a waste of
time.

Trying to argue otherwise is just stupid, so don't go away mad, just go
away .
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:e6*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>re:
>>learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.

And, of course, what you think is good for you must be good for
everybody.
It looks like you have a lot to learn...and don't even know it.

Good bye, Jon. I won't waste any more of everybody's time replying to
you.
If you don't want to learn, there isn't much we can do for you.

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===================================
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:e1**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.

>>"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:OH**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
re:
It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...

It's not knowledge if you don't learn it.

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"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:e7**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl.. .
>re:
>>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For
>>example: --separate vb and c# users
>>
>That would result in a more chaotic organization of knowledge.
>>
>My suggestion is for ASP.NET programmers to be proficient in both
>languages.
>That would work out to everybody's benefit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>===================================
>"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
>news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl. ..
>>IMHO, the nature of ASP.net has become too complex. Folks are using
>>multiple languages , development tools, databases, add-ins, etc,
>>that it is very difficult to find someone that is capable of
>>responding to the posting.
>>>
>>Only very basic fundamental questions typically get answered.
>>
>>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For
>>example:
>>--separate vb and c# users
>>
>>
>
>




Sep 13 '06 #26
"balance design choices and justify/rationalise my technical decisions"

That's silly talk.

What does spending time learning unused multiple languages have to do with design choices ?

Are you going to build your ASP.net application in multiple languages ?

Are you saying one language has better utilization in ASP.net than another ?

"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote in message news:9d********************@eclipse.net.uk...
Thats not entirely true, I've learned about languages and tools I would never use so I could balance design choices and
justify/rationalise my technical decisions. I have learned to program in VB, LISP, C#, VB.NET, Java, can turn my hand to C/C++
and know PHP, but the only one I ever really use is C#. It is good to know in what circumstance I might choose one of the others
though so its never a waste of time if you have a reason for learning it, even if you might never use it! The more I know the
more chocies I have!

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>

It's a fact that learning languages that will never be used is a waste of time.

Trying to argue otherwise is just stupid, so don't go away mad, just go away .
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message news:e6*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>re:
learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.

And, of course, what you think is good for you must be good for everybody.
It looks like you have a lot to learn...and don't even know it.

Good bye, Jon. I won't waste any more of everybody's time replying to you.
If you don't want to learn, there isn't much we can do for you.

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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===================================
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:e1**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message news:OH**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
re:
>It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...
>
It's not knowledge if you don't learn it.
>
>
>
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"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:e7**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...
>
>
>"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>re:
>>>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example: --separate vb and c# users
>>>
>>That would result in a more chaotic organization of knowledge.
>>>
>>My suggestion is for ASP.NET programmers to be proficient in both languages.
>>That would work out to everybody's benefit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>===================================
>>"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>IMHO, the nature of ASP.net has become too complex. Folks are using multiple languages , development tools, databases,
>>>add-ins, etc, that it is very difficult to find someone that is capable of responding to the posting.
>>>>
>>>Only very basic fundamental questions typically get answered.
>>>
>>>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For example:
>>>--separate vb and c# users
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




Sep 13 '06 #27
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
"balance design choices and justify/rationalise my technical decisions"

That's silly talk.
Only to you I expect! A significant number of experienced developers and
architects I know and many people who frequent these groups will almost
certainly know more than one development language, multiple tools, and
understand about platforms and technologies they rarely utilise.
What does spending time learning unused multiple languages have to do with
design choices ?
Asp.net is not the only framework for building applications in. As an
architect I have to understand the scope and limitations of my technical
choices, tyeing that to resource/skills availability, platform, budget
constraints etc. can make a significant difference in choosing a technology.
If I only know one technology, I cant balance a decision correctly and could
make the wrong decision, or make one biased on only knowing one thing and
limiting my choices.
Are you going to build your ASP.net application in multiple languages ?
Yes, if its appropriate! Why wouldn't I use a DLL developed in VB.NET in a
primarily C# ASP.NET application if it saved time and effort, and had a
multi skilled team. Re-writing that functionality costs money, takes time.
If its easy to support it even though its in another langauge its not a
problem.
Are you saying one language has better utilization in ASP.net than another
?
No, but then if you knew more than one language you shouldn't have to ask
that question!

--
Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com

>
"John Timney (MVP)" <x_****@timney.eclipse.co.ukwrote in message
news:9d********************@eclipse.net.uk...
>Thats not entirely true, I've learned about languages and tools I would
never use so I could balance design choices and justify/rationalise my
technical decisions. I have learned to program in VB, LISP, C#, VB.NET,
Java, can turn my hand to C/C++ and know PHP, but the only one I ever
really use is C#. It is good to know in what circumstance I might choose
one of the others though so its never a waste of time if you have a
reason for learning it, even if you might never use it! The more I know
the more chocies I have!

Regards

John Timney (MVP)
http://www.johntimney.com
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>

It's a fact that learning languages that will never be used is a waste
of time.

Trying to argue otherwise is just stupid, so don't go away mad, just go
away .
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:e6*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
re:
learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.

And, of course, what you think is good for you must be good for
everybody.
It looks like you have a lot to learn...and don't even know it.

Good bye, Jon. I won't waste any more of everybody's time replying to
you.
If you don't want to learn, there isn't much we can do for you.

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
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===================================
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:e1**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
learning things that I have no intention of using is a waste of time.
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:OH**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl.. .
>re:
>>It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...
>>
>It's not knowledge if you don't learn it.
>>
>>
>>
>Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>===================================
>"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
>news:e7**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl. ..
>>It's not knowledge if you don't use it ...
>>
>>
>>"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
>>news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl.. .
>>>re:
>>>>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For
>>>>example: --separate vb and c# users
>>>>
>>>That would result in a more chaotic organization of knowledge.
>>>>
>>>My suggestion is for ASP.NET programmers to be proficient in both
>>>languages.
>>>That would work out to everybody's benefit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
>>>asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>===================================
>>>"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in
>>>message news:eb**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>IMHO, the nature of ASP.net has become too complex. Folks are
>>>>using multiple languages , development tools, databases, add-ins,
>>>>etc, that it is very difficult to find someone that is capable of
>>>>responding to the posting.
>>>>>
>>>>Only very basic fundamental questions typically get answered.
>>>>
>>>>My suggestion would be to define more specific newsgroups. For
>>>>example:
>>>>--separate vb and c# users
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




Sep 14 '06 #28
I agree, but the problem is that Microsoft has a publicly stated policy of a
48-hour guaranteed peer response to any question or else they will step in.
That never happens.

Jon

"Marina Levit [MVP]" <so*****@nospam.comwrote in message
news:e4**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
Again, my point is, that no one is *required* to answer any posts at all.
It's all voluntary. So no one can complain that their post didn't get
answered - because there is no one out there whose job it is to answer
them.

"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>Dear Marina,

I too don't think that Microsoft (MS) is required to answer posts.

I do think that ALL posts deserve an answer, EVEN IF IT IS A CONFUSING
QUESTION, TOO MUCH OR NOT ENOUGH INFO, WHATEVER.

If a question isn't clear or there are many solutions to a common problem
and it's apparent that the person didn't Ask.com or Google or search the
NG for their answer, they deserve at least that much of a response, it
only takes a moment.

Even when people post to the wrong NG, it only takes a moment to post
that you think their question is not appropriate for a particular NG and
maybe include a suggestion as to a better NG.

The only posts that don't require a response are spam or adverts.
JeffP...

"Marina Levit [MVP]" <so*****@nospam.comwrote in message
news:O$*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>I don't think MS is required to answer the posts, unless the email comes
from an MSDN subscriber (at least this is my recollection).
In general, this is a peer to peer newsgroup, with people just using
their own time to help out. A lot of times posts do not get answered for
reasons having to do with the post (too long, not enough information,
doesn't make sense, question isn't clear).

"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?

There are way too many unanswered posts!

I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question,
they deserve a response even if it is to clarify or re-state their
question and offer a suggestion.

Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.

JeffP....



Sep 14 '06 #29
re:
the problem is that Microsoft has a publicly stated policy of a 48-hour guaranteed peer response
to any question
Not so.

The publicly stated policy is that a 48-hour response *by Microsoft Support personnel*
is guaranteed to any MSDN subscriber who has associated a no-spam alias with his
Passport at the MSDN Subscriptions site, who asks a question.

There is no guarantee that peers will respond to any/all questions asked,
given that peer-to-peer contributions are voluntary.

We all contribute what we can, when we can.
A peer-to-peer community is what we and our peers make of it.


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"Jon Davis" <jo*@REMOVE.ME.PLEASE.jondavis.netwrote in message
news:uq**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I agree, but the problem is that Microsoft has a publicly stated policy of a 48-hour guaranteed
peer response to any question or else they will step in. That never happens.

Jon

"Marina Levit [MVP]" <so*****@nospam.comwrote in message
news:e4**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>Again, my point is, that no one is *required* to answer any posts at all. It's all voluntary. So
no one can complain that their post didn't get answered - because there is no one out there whose
job it is to answer them.

"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>Dear Marina,

I too don't think that Microsoft (MS) is required to answer posts.

I do think that ALL posts deserve an answer, EVEN IF IT IS A CONFUSING QUESTION, TOO MUCH OR NOT
ENOUGH INFO, WHATEVER.

If a question isn't clear or there are many solutions to a common problem and it's apparent that
the person didn't Ask.com or Google or search the NG for their answer, they deserve at least
that much of a response, it only takes a moment.

Even when people post to the wrong NG, it only takes a moment to post that you think their
question is not appropriate for a particular NG and maybe include a suggestion as to a better
NG.

The only posts that don't require a response are spam or adverts.
JeffP...

"Marina Levit [MVP]" <so*****@nospam.comwrote in message
news:O$*************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
I don't think MS is required to answer the posts, unless the email comes from an MSDN subscriber
(at least this is my recollection).
In general, this is a peer to peer newsgroup, with people just using their own time to help
out. A lot of times posts do not get answered for reasons having to do with the post (too long,
not enough information, doesn't make sense, question isn't clear).

"JeffP@Work" <jpgmt_at_sbcglobal_dot_netwrote in message
news:uG**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
Is this a holiday week?
>
There are way too many unanswered posts!
>
I dont' care if the person asked a dumb or un-comprehensible question, they deserve a response
even if it is to clarify or re-state their question and offer a suggestion.
>
Hang in there posters, hopefully our questions will be asnwered.
>
JeffP....
>




Sep 14 '06 #30

>"balance design choices and justify/rationalise my technical decisions"

That's silly talk.

Only to you I expect! A significant number of experienced developers and architects I know and many people who frequent these
groups will almost certainly know more than one development language, multiple tools, and understand about platforms and
technologies they rarely utilise.


Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue is just a hobby...

>What does spending time learning unused multiple languages have to do with design choices ?

Asp.net is not the only framework for building applications in. As an architect I have to understand the scope and limitations of
my technical choices, tyeing that to resource/skills availability, platform, budget constraints etc. can make a significant
difference in choosing a technology. If I only know one technology, I cant balance a decision correctly and could make the wrong
decision, or make one biased on only knowing one thing and limiting my choices.
name one example where another platform/framework would be chosen over ASP.net for usage and why it would be better

>Are you going to build your ASP.net application in multiple languages ?

Yes, if its appropriate! Why wouldn't I use a DLL developed in VB.NET in a primarily C# ASP.NET application if it saved time and
effort, and had a multi skilled team. Re-writing that functionality costs money, takes time. If its easy to support it even
though its in another langauge its not a problem.

DLL's are compiled and language neutral.....

>Are you saying one language has better utilization in ASP.net than another ?

No, but then if you knew more than one language you shouldn't have to ask that question!
Then there is no reason to have multiple languages...


Sep 14 '06 #31
RAB
When you don't get a response try posting your question on
htt[://www.expert-exchange.com I have always had my questions answered
there.

RABMissouri

Sep 14 '06 #32
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:eB**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>
<snip>
Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue is just a hobby...
How do you define "generate revenue?" Obviously, you are a young man. You'd
be surprised how many things I have learned in the past that did not
generate revenue directly, but have been useful to me in later years.
Therefore, it is impossible to tell whether anything learned will or will
not generate revenue. It is only possible to tell if it will generate
revenue immediately. To make an assumption that one will never make use of
information is short-sighted.

I would therefore say "Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue
*immediately* is research."

--
;-),

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Chicken Salad Surgery

What You Seek Is What You Get.
Sep 14 '06 #33

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2******************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
The publicly stated policy is that a 48-hour response *by Microsoft Support
personnel*
is guaranteed to any MSDN subscriber who has associated a no-spam alias with
his
Passport at the MSDN Subscriptions site, who asks a question.
You have a link to where one can set this information? I'm not seeing it.
Sep 14 '06 #34

"Kevin Spencer" <uc*@ftc.govwrote in message
news:u9*************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:eB**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
<snip>
>Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue is just a hobby...

How do you define "generate revenue?" Obviously, you are a young man. You'd be
surprised how many things I have learned in the past that did not generate
revenue directly, but have been useful to me in later years.
I second that sentiment.
Therefore, it is impossible to tell whether anything learned will or will not
generate revenue. It is only possible to tell if it will generate revenue
immediately. To make an assumption that one will never make use of information
is short-sighted.

I would therefore say "Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue
*immediately* is research."
And if learning something that doesn't generate revenue is just a hobby, I guess
going to college and getting an education is just a hobby! Many things you
learn there you'll likely never use to generate revenue.
Sep 14 '06 #35
Login to :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions
and click on the "Configure" link under "Managed Newsgroups".

You can also read the rules without logging in to your subscription at :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscripti...q/default.aspx

See the question : What are MSDN managed newsgroups?

Answer :

"Managed newsgroups are for current MSDN Premium, Enterprise, Professional,
or Operating System subscribers. These subscribers can post a message and receive
a response from the community or a Microsoft Support Engineer within 2 business days."

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"Mike Lowery" <se******@mouse-potato.comwrote in message
news:eq**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2******************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
The publicly stated policy is that a 48-hour response *by Microsoft Support personnel*
is guaranteed to any MSDN subscriber who has associated a no-spam alias with his
Passport at the MSDN Subscriptions site, who asks a question.

You have a link to where one can set this information? I'm not seeing it.


Sep 14 '06 #36
ok, taking me a bit too literally..

The debate is on learning multiple programming languages in order to be effective in ASP.net, not learning in general.


"Kevin Spencer" <uc*@ftc.govwrote in message news:u9*************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:eB**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
<snip>
>Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue is just a hobby...

How do you define "generate revenue?" Obviously, you are a young man. You'd be surprised how many things I have learned in the
past that did not generate revenue directly, but have been useful to me in later years. Therefore, it is impossible to tell
whether anything learned will or will not generate revenue. It is only possible to tell if it will generate revenue immediately.
To make an assumption that one will never make use of information is short-sighted.

I would therefore say "Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue *immediately* is research."

--
;-),

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Chicken Salad Surgery

What You Seek Is What You Get.


Sep 14 '06 #37
ok, taking me a bit too literally..

The debate is on learning multiple programming languages in order to be effective in ASP.net, not life in general. Reference to
comparisons like college and getting an education is too broad.

"Mike Lowery" <se******@mouse-potato.comwrote in message news:eB**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>
"Kevin Spencer" <uc*@ftc.govwrote in message news:u9*************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message news:eB**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
<snip>
>>Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue is just a hobby...

How do you define "generate revenue?" Obviously, you are a young man. You'd be surprised how many things I have learned in the
past that did not generate revenue directly, but have been useful to me in later years.

I second that sentiment.
>Therefore, it is impossible to tell whether anything learned will or will not generate revenue. It is only possible to tell if it
will generate revenue immediately. To make an assumption that one will never make use of information is short-sighted.

I would therefore say "Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue *immediately* is research."

And if learning something that doesn't generate revenue is just a hobby, I guess going to college and getting an education is just
a hobby! Many things you learn there you'll likely never use to generate revenue.


Sep 14 '06 #38
Hmm, all I have is a link to "Managed Newsgroups" and there is no "Configure"
link there.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:eW**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
Login to :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions
and click on the "Configure" link under "Managed Newsgroups".

You can also read the rules without logging in to your subscription at :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscripti...q/default.aspx

See the question : What are MSDN managed newsgroups?

Answer :

"Managed newsgroups are for current MSDN Premium, Enterprise, Professional,
or Operating System subscribers. These subscribers can post a message and
receive
a response from the community or a Microsoft Support Engineer within 2
business days."

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"Mike Lowery" <se******@mouse-potato.comwrote in message
news:eq**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2******************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl. ..
>>>
The publicly stated policy is that a 48-hour response *by Microsoft Support
personnel*
is guaranteed to any MSDN subscriber who has associated a no-spam alias with
his
Passport at the MSDN Subscriptions site, who asks a question.

You have a link to where one can set this information? I'm not seeing it.



Sep 14 '06 #39
re:
Hmm, all I have is a link to "Managed Newsgroups" and there is no "Configure" link there.
The configure link shows up *after* you login with your subscription ID.

However, as mentioned, you can also read the
rules without logging in to your subscription at :

http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscripti...q/default.aspx

i.e., use the "Sign in" button...and sign in.

You'll be taken to :
https://msdn.microsoft.com/subscript...scription.aspx
where you'll see the "Configure" link, under "Managed Newsgroups".

Sometimes, I've had to hit the "Managed Newsgroups" link first.

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
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"Mike Lowery" <se******@mouse-potato.comwrote in message
news:eB**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
Hmm, all I have is a link to "Managed Newsgroups" and there is no "Configure" link there.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:eW**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>Login to :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscriptions
and click on the "Configure" link under "Managed Newsgroups".

You can also read the rules without logging in to your subscription at :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/subscripti...q/default.aspx

See the question : What are MSDN managed newsgroups?

Answer :

"Managed newsgroups are for current MSDN Premium, Enterprise, Professional,
or Operating System subscribers. These subscribers can post a message and receive
a response from the community or a Microsoft Support Engineer within 2 business days."

Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
aspnetfaq.com : http://www.aspnetfaq.com/
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
===================================
"Mike Lowery" <se******@mouse-potato.comwrote in message
news:eq**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>>>
"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.comwrote in message
news:%2******************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl.. .

The publicly stated policy is that a 48-hour response *by Microsoft Support personnel*
is guaranteed to any MSDN subscriber who has associated a no-spam alias with his
Passport at the MSDN Subscriptions site, who asks a question.

You have a link to where one can set this information? I'm not seeing it.




Sep 14 '06 #40
ok, taking me a bit too literally..

Not at all. The fact that you can't see the benefit doesn't mean that it
doesn't exist. And the goal is not "to be effective in ASP.Net" but to be an
excellent programmer. I worked for quite a few years doing ASP and ASP.Net
exclusively. Now, I hardly do any ASP.Net at all. Life is long, and full of
changes. These days, to keep up you have to look ahead. Since, of course, it
is not possible to see ahead, the only alternative is to prepare for
whatever may come. IOW, a well-rounded education in whatever specialty one
chooses for a career, the more likely one is to be prepared for future
changes.

I study all kinds of things related to programming in various ways -
Mathematics, Physics, Geography, Psychology, Medicine, and a plethora of
other scientific and technical disciplines. At various points I have had to
have or acquire knowledge in some of these other disciplines. And knowledge
is not so pigeon-holed as you might think. Knowledge in one area often leads
to new knowledge in another area. While I don't study *everything* I tend to
be fairly broad within the realm of related disciplines.

Even just within the realm of ASP.Net, you have multiple languages and
technologies in play. You have JavaScript, for example, as a client-side
programming language. It is helpful to understand the HTTP protocol, the
HTML DOM, CSS, and XML. At various times, one might employ COM, or ActiveX,
or even Flash. So, the broader one's understanding is of various programming
languages and technologies, the more likely one is to be successful in
ASP.Net.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Chicken Salad Surgery

What You Seek Is What You Get.

"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
ok, taking me a bit too literally..

The debate is on learning multiple programming languages in order to be
effective in ASP.net, not life in general. Reference to comparisons like
college and getting an education is too broad.

"Mike Lowery" <se******@mouse-potato.comwrote in message
news:eB**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
"Kevin Spencer" <uc*@ftc.govwrote in message
news:u9*************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>"Jon Paal" <Jon[ nospam ]Paal @ everywhere dot comwrote in message
news:eB**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

<snip>

Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue is just a hobby...

How do you define "generate revenue?" Obviously, you are a young man.
You'd be surprised how many things I have learned in the past that did
not generate revenue directly, but have been useful to me in later
years.

I second that sentiment.
>>Therefore, it is impossible to tell whether anything learned will or
will not generate revenue. It is only possible to tell if it will
generate revenue immediately. To make an assumption that one will never
make use of information is short-sighted.

I would therefore say "Anything learned that doesn't generate revenue
*immediately* is research."

And if learning something that doesn't generate revenue is just a hobby,
I guess going to college and getting an education is just a hobby! Many
things you learn there you'll likely never use to generate revenue.



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