asp.net 20 menu control useless ? [server callback, no menuitem click]

[Rickie]

Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]]

Rickie,
I'm not particularly enamored of it myself, but I wouldn't say it is
"useless". It all depends on what you expect it to be able to do.

If you look on the Control Gallery at ASP.NET there are 52 of them you can
choose from, some are free:

http://www.asp.net/ControlGallery/de...=32&tabindex=6

Peter

--
Co-founder, Eggheadcafe.com developer portal:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com
UnBlog:
http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com


"Rickie" wrote:

Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]]

Hey Rick,

If your question is whether there are better menu controls than Microsoft's
freebie, the answer is 'certainly'.

I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX
whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks:

http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx

Ken
Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET]

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.com> wrote in message
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Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[Rickie]

Op Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:40:20 -0400 schreef "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]"
<BA**********@newsgroups.nospam>:

Hey Rick,

If your question is whether there are better menu controls than Microsoft's
freebie, the answer is 'certainly'.

I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX
whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks:

http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx

Ken
Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET]

Exactly my point. The asp 2.0 menu in itself is pretty useless. That
was the assertion and you seem to give supportive evidence. Someone
else even mentioned a site with 55 different menu implementations of
which even only a few even EXTEND the asp.net menu. In itself the menu
has NO USE and even for extension its pretty difficult to use/ ergo
their are much better ways for make client site navigation without
postbacks.
Rick

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.com> wrote in message
news:hs********************************@4ax.com.. .

Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[Alessandro Zifiglio]

hi Rick, if your menu structure is so deep and you need to load on demand,
then maybe what you really want to use is a treeview. A dropdown menu that
loads on demand for every node i mouseover, is not all that pretty and
usable. Pretty irritating actually, atleast from a users view point.
Ofcourse this is my humble opinion :-)
That said, i have still yet to see a thirdparty menu component that has a
serverside API as rich as the standard navigation menu provided in asp.net
2.0
If you really want to extend then you might want to try going the adapter
route or overriding the original rendering, and i'll admit its not a walk in
the park, however it is doable.

Regards,
Alessandro Zifiglio
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Op Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:40:20 -0400 schreef "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]"
<BA**********@newsgroups.nospam>:

Hey Rick,

If your question is whether there are better menu controls than
Microsoft's
freebie, the answer is 'certainly'.

I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX
whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks:

http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx

Ken
Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET]

Exactly my point. The asp 2.0 menu in itself is pretty useless. That
was the assertion and you seem to give supportive evidence. Someone
else even mentioned a site with 55 different menu implementations of
which even only a few even EXTEND the asp.net menu. In itself the menu
has NO USE and even for extension its pretty difficult to use/ ergo
their are much better ways for make client site navigation without
postbacks.
Rick

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.com> wrote in message
news:hs********************************@4ax.com. ..

Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[Ray Booysen]

Now that your rant is over, can we move right along? :P

Rickie wrote:

Op Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:40:20 -0400 schreef "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]"
<BA**********@newsgroups.nospam>:

Hey Rick,

If your question is whether there are better menu controls than Microsoft's
freebie, the answer is 'certainly'.

I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX
whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks:

http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx

Ken
Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET]

Exactly my point. The asp 2.0 menu in itself is pretty useless. That
was the assertion and you seem to give supportive evidence. Someone
else even mentioned a site with 55 different menu implementations of
which even only a few even EXTEND the asp.net menu. In itself the menu
has NO USE and even for extension its pretty difficult to use/ ergo
their are much better ways for make client site navigation without
postbacks.
Rick

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.com> wrote in message
news:hs********************************@4ax.com...

Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]]

So Rickie,
I think you've made your subjective point, e.g. "The Standard ASP.NET 2.0
Menu Control is Useless".

So what are you gonna do now?
Peter
--
Co-founder, Eggheadcafe.com developer portal:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com
UnBlog:
http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com


"Rickie" wrote:

Op Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:40:20 -0400 schreef "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]"
<BA**********@newsgroups.nospam>:

Hey Rick,

If your question is whether there are better menu controls than Microsoft's
freebie, the answer is 'certainly'.

I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX
whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks:

http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx

Ken
Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET]

Exactly my point. The asp 2.0 menu in itself is pretty useless. That
was the assertion and you seem to give supportive evidence. Someone
else even mentioned a site with 55 different menu implementations of
which even only a few even EXTEND the asp.net menu. In itself the menu
has NO USE and even for extension its pretty difficult to use/ ergo
their are much better ways for make client site navigation without
postbacks.
Rick

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.com> wrote in message
news:hs********************************@4ax.com.. .

Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[Edwin Knoppert]

The menu can call any http or js function

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.com> schreef in bericht
news:hs********************************@4ax.com...

Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[Rickie]

Please do, I doubt you understand the challenge or reason for it.
Regards,
Rick
Op Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:33:18 +0100 schreef Ray Booysen
<rj***********@rjb.za.net>:

Now that your rant is over, can we move right along? :P

Rickie wrote:

Op Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:40:20 -0400 schreef "Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]"
<BA**********@newsgroups.nospam>:

Hey Rick,

If your question is whether there are better menu controls than Microsoft's
freebie, the answer is 'certainly'.

I do work for guys who have a top-rated menu with all the bells and AJAX
whistles. Downside is that it costs a few bucks:

http://www.componentart.com/menu/default.aspx

Ken
Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET]

Exactly my point. The asp 2.0 menu in itself is pretty useless. That
was the assertion and you seem to give supportive evidence. Someone
else even mentioned a site with 55 different menu implementations of
which even only a few even EXTEND the asp.net menu. In itself the menu
has NO USE and even for extension its pretty difficult to use/ ergo
their are much better ways for make client site navigation without
postbacks.
Rick

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.com> wrote in message
news:hs********************************@4ax.com...
Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[Rickie]

Edwin,

Tx for your response. Still I am curious why the sophisticated people
of microsoft have designed a rich component like the menu which
is *not* clientsite. Do you think they really make components which
are not usable in itself but only with clientsite script ?

And then another point. How difficult or easy would it be to call http
or js from a menuitem handler ?

Ricky

Op Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:35:08 +0200 schreef "Edwin Knoppert"
<ne**@hellobasic.com>:

The menu can call any http or js function

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.com> schreef in bericht
news:hs********************************@4ax.com.. .

Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[geekboy0001]

?? All the asp controls are server-side and post back to the server.
Hence:
asp:mycontrol runat=server id=fubar

Rickie wrote:

Edwin,

Tx for your response. Still I am curious why the sophisticated people
of microsoft have designed a rich component like the menu which
is *not* clientsite. Do you think they really make components which
are not usable in itself but only with clientsite script ?

And then another point. How difficult or easy would it be to call http
or js from a menuitem handler ?

Ricky

Op Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:35:08 +0200 schreef "Edwin Knoppert"
<ne**@hellobasic.com>:

The menu can call any http or js function

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.comschreef in bericht
news:hs********************************@4ax.com...

Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick

[Edwin Knoppert]

Here is an example:

http://www.hellobasic.com/cgi-bin/fo...num=1152258978

In short, simply set (each) navigateURL to javascript:myjsfunction....

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.comschreef in bericht
news:bn********************************@4ax.com...

Edwin,

Tx for your response. Still I am curious why the sophisticated people
of microsoft have designed a rich component like the menu which
is *not* clientsite. Do you think they really make components which
are not usable in itself but only with clientsite script ?

And then another point. How difficult or easy would it be to call http
or js from a menuitem handler ?

Ricky

Op Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:35:08 +0200 schreef "Edwin Knoppert"
<ne**@hellobasic.com>:

>>The menu can call any http or js function

"Rickie" <to*******@msn.comschreef in bericht
news:hs********************************@4ax.com. ..

>>Dear fellow software engineers,

Is the web menu in asp 2.0 essentielle a useless control ?
How many people( including msdn itself) are using server menu
controls?
Its a menu which always postback to server, which cant be caught on
the event of a menuitem. Wouldnt we rather use other ways of making
menus which are essentially clientsite ? With its postback its
certainly not high on usebility. Then we have to use ajax or
javascript injection to make it clientsite again( if the last is even
possible). What in heavens name is the use of this highly advocated
control ?

Tx for answers..

Rick