Where are the 'web 2.0' .netters?

[darrel]

With all the web 2.0 hype out there, I'm finding that .net isn't playing
much of a role. Nearly everything out there getting publicity is PHP or ROR
based.

Which leads me to the question: Anyone see some web 2.0-centric applications
out there based on .net?

-Darrel

[S. Justin Gengo [MCP]]

Darrel,

The first one that comes to mind is DotNetNuke, www.dotnetnuke.com, which
was converted to run on the 2.0 framework and released just days after 2.0
was released itself.

And, of course, a lost of the microsoft sites (e.g. www.microsoft.com) are
now running asp.net 2.0:
http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/richarde/...28/475193.aspx

--
Sincerely,

S. Justin Gengo, MCP
Web Developer / Programmer

www.aboutfortunate.com

"Out of chaos comes order."
Nietzsche
"darrel" <no*****@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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With all the web 2.0 hype out there, I'm finding that .net isn't playing
much of a role. Nearly everything out there getting publicity is PHP or
ROR based.

Which leads me to the question: Anyone see some web 2.0-centric
applications out there based on .net?

-Darrel

[darrel]

> The first one that comes to mind is DotNetNuke, www.dotnetnuke.com, which

was converted to run on the 2.0 framework and released just days after 2.0
was released itself.

Sorry, I was referring to 'web 2.0' not the 2.0 dotNetFramework.

Web 2.0 being more of a buzzword than anything tangible, but tends to refer
to web applications that take advantage of AJAX, use streamlined
interfacess, opt for fewer features rather than more, use mimimalist visual
presentation, combined with all the 'new' things getting buzz...rss,
podcasting, wikis, tagging, etc.

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/orei...is-web-20.html

Some example sites:

http://www.articledashboard.com/Arti...-of-2005/10891

-Darrel

[Scott Allen]

On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:40:26 -0600, "darrel" <no*****@nowhere.com>
wrote:

Web 2.0 being more of a buzzword than anything tangible, but tends to refer
to web applications that take advantage of AJAX, use streamlined
interfacess, opt for fewer features rather than more, use mimimalist visual
presentation, combined with all the 'new' things getting buzz...rss,
podcasting, wikis, tagging, etc.

Like:

http://www.live.com/ and http://microsoftgadgets.com/ ?

One Atlas firms up into a shipping product, I suspect the pace will
pick up.

--
Scott
http://www.OdeToCode.com/blogs/scott/

[Rob R. Ainscough]

I read an article in PC Mag and Maximum PC about web 2.0 (aka AJAX) --
similiar to ClickOnce with the exception it is supposed to run across more
than Microsoft's OS. But I thought part of the draw to AJAX was that it
could do a lot more graphically and provide a much better user interface
experience similiar to the draw for ClickOnce. ClickOnce seems to have a
more direct link with the OS and DirectX so it will be the more powerful
technology of the two in terms of GUI and performance, but at the cost of
single platform.

The sooner we move away from the melting pot called "web development", the
better -- what I really need is more focus on efficient distributed client
side computing, what we have now is a hodge bodge drain on both client and
server with inefficiencies at both ends and huge security issues (especially
on the client side which opens the hole into the server side). The
Interface should always be client side, data server side -- a classic
efficient model that works.

If Microsoft had a clue, they'd realize they need to get .NET framework out
on Mac OS and Linux at the same time they get it out on Windows OS. Stop
saying "that's too difficult" or "we don't have the resources" and get over
yourselves and realize that if ya really wanna squash the competition get
your tools ON the competitions platform.
"darrel" <no*****@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:O0**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

With all the web 2.0 hype out there, I'm finding that .net isn't playing
much of a role. Nearly everything out there getting publicity is PHP or
ROR based.

Which leads me to the question: Anyone see some web 2.0-centric
applications out there based on .net?

-Darrel

[Peter Bromberg [C# MVP]]

Darrel,
Web, schmeb!
MS was doing web 2.0 with Outlook Web Access back in 1999.

There's plenty of Remote Scripting / AJAX / Web 2.0 stuff out there written
with the .NET Platform.
Peter
--
Co-founder, Eggheadcafe.com developer portal:
http://www.eggheadcafe.com
UnBlog:
http://petesbloggerama.blogspot.com


"darrel" wrote:

With all the web 2.0 hype out there, I'm finding that .net isn't playing
much of a role. Nearly everything out there getting publicity is PHP or ROR
based.

Which leads me to the question: Anyone see some web 2.0-centric applications
out there based on .net?

-Darrel

[darrel]

> Like:

http://www.live.com/ and http://microsoftgadgets.com/ ?

Yea, though it'd be great to see more out there other than MS's own stuff.

-Darrel

[darrel]

> If Microsoft had a clue, they'd realize they need to get .NET framework

out on Mac OS and Linux at the same time they get it out on Windows OS.
Stop saying "that's too difficult" or "we don't have the resources" and
get over yourselves and realize that if ya really wanna squash the
competition get your tools ON the competitions platform.

Well, I think that's a different discussion heading in a different
direction.

Web 2.0 seems to be all about the web as the client and network. Whereas it
sounds like you are pushing for a more integreated thin client type of
application. I think both are needed.

-Darrel

[darrel]

> MS was doing web 2.0 with Outlook Web Access back in 1999.

I agree.

However, these days, you don't here '.net' mentioned much at all when
talking of 'web 2.0'

Which is a bit dissapointing as a web developer who uses .net ;o)

There's plenty of Remote Scripting / AJAX / Web 2.0 stuff out there
written
with the .NET Platform.

Great! Examples? Any firms rolling out their Web2.0 venture-capital traps
written in .net?

-Darrel

[Joseph Ferris]

darrel wrote:

Great! Examples? Any firms rolling out their Web2.0 venture-capital traps
written in .net?

At the last company I contracted for - a small Hedge Fund software
provider - we provided two of our clients with ASP.Net / AJAX
implementions. Of course, when we started the project, before the hype
and without knowledge that "AJAX" existed.

We used it to provide screen reports of stock information in (near)
real-time - positions, prices, buys, sells, etc. Really cool stuff.

Joseph

[john smith]

darrel wrote:

MS was doing web 2.0 with Outlook Web Access back in 1999.

I agree.

However, these days, you don't here '.net' mentioned much at all when
talking of 'web 2.0'

Which is a bit dissapointing as a web developer who uses .net ;o)

There's plenty of Remote Scripting / AJAX / Web 2.0 stuff out there
written
with the .NET Platform.

Great! Examples? Any firms rolling out their Web2.0 venture-capital traps
written in .net?

-Darrel

There is just as much AJAX type stuff done with .NET everyday. Perhaps
it's just that we don't over-hype it as much (the PHP/RoR guys are a
noisy bunch ;))... There are a bunch of resources you can find (on
sourceforge, codeproject, various blogs and sites, etc) and microsoft
will release Atlas soon too.

Personally I think it's vastly over-hyped. Not a bad tool, but people
just want to "AJAXify" everything for with no real reason (other than
"cool! web two point oh!" - some kind off buzzword you must
use/integrate regardless). Some people are already talking about web
3.0... People are often too fast to jump to gimmicks and clever hacks
i.e. worry about "AJAXifying" some app and such, whereas the extra time
could have been better spent on a better design, refactoring, testing,
usability, documentation, extra features, etc instead (most apps need
this much more than some AJAX controls).

[darrel]

> There is just as much AJAX type stuff done with .NET everyday. Perhaps

it's just that we don't over-hype it as much (the PHP/RoR guys are a noisy
bunch ;))... There are a bunch of resources you can find (on sourceforge,
codeproject, various blogs and sites, etc) and microsoft will release
Atlas soon too.
Right. There's lots of tutorials, and MS is doing a lot, but it seems still
to be a forgotten platform for the 'new web' in general. Not surprising, as
MS has always been more of a enterprise workhorse moreso than what's the
trendiest thing on the web. And, of course, most of the hyped stuff is being
done by small firms using open source products.
Personally I think it's vastly over-hyped.

I completely agree too. AJAX is often a detriment just as much as benefit.
Though note that I'm not just referring to AJAX. More about the whole Web
2.0 thing in general.

-Darrel