Visual Studio HTML IDE

[Craig Hunt]

I posted this in another newsgroup, so please forgive me if you've already
seen it.
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Am I missing something here?

Quite frequently, I'll write an aspx document taking care to format the HTML
so that I and others on my team can read it. <sarcasm>We kind of like to
know what's going on when we come back to the document later.</sarcasm> In
any case, the editor, when switching from HTML view to the designer view
will do crazy things like completely remove all of the formatting in the
HTML as well as remove style and other attributes, and it will even remove
the quotes from the attributes it leaves in place.

I've checked the options for my IDE, and I've turned off HTML validation and
unchecked the Apply Automatic Formatting boxes. Is there another setting I
need to check to get the IDE to leave my HTML as I enter it. I'm really
getting tired of having to fix the IDE's screw ups because it REALLY doesn't
know how to write HTML.

TIA for any assistance.

Craig

[Juan T. Llibre]

As others have pointed out, this is a WKP (well-known problem) with
VS.NET 2002 and VS.NET 2003, which has been fixed in VS.NET 2005.

Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
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"Craig Hunt" <us**@domain.com> wrote in message
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I posted this in another newsgroup, so please forgive me if you've already
seen it.
---

Am I missing something here?

Quite frequently, I'll write an aspx document taking care to format the HTML
so that I and others on my team can read it. <sarcasm>We kind of like to
know what's going on when we come back to the document later.</sarcasm> In
any case, the editor, when switching from HTML view to the designer view
will do crazy things like completely remove all of the formatting in the
HTML as well as remove style and other attributes, and it will even remove
the quotes from the attributes it leaves in place.

I've checked the options for my IDE, and I've turned off HTML validation and
unchecked the Apply Automatic Formatting boxes. Is there another setting I
need to check to get the IDE to leave my HTML as I enter it. I'm really
getting tired of having to fix the IDE's screw ups because it REALLY doesn't
know how to write HTML.

TIA for any assistance.

Craig

[Ken Dopierala Jr.]

Hi Craig,

It is a known problem. To get around the missing quotes thing don't switch
between Design & HTML views while your app is running in the IDE. If you do
and your quotes go away then when your app is stopped make a small change in
HTML view then switch to Design view and back to HTML view and everything
should have quotes again. Annoying workaround, but it has saved me some
time. Good luck! Ken.

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"Craig Hunt" <us**@domain.com> wrote in message
news:uf********************@tornado.tampabay.rr.co m...

I posted this in another newsgroup, so please forgive me if you've already
seen it.
---

Am I missing something here?

Quite frequently, I'll write an aspx document taking care to format the HTML so that I and others on my team can read it. <sarcasm>We kind of like to
know what's going on when we come back to the document later.</sarcasm> In any case, the editor, when switching from HTML view to the designer view
will do crazy things like completely remove all of the formatting in the
HTML as well as remove style and other attributes, and it will even remove
the quotes from the attributes it leaves in place.

I've checked the options for my IDE, and I've turned off HTML validation and unchecked the Apply Automatic Formatting boxes. Is there another setting I need to check to get the IDE to leave my HTML as I enter it. I'm really
getting tired of having to fix the IDE's screw ups because it REALLY doesn't know how to write HTML.

TIA for any assistance.

Craig

[Craig Hunt]

My apologies to the group.

I found the answer to my question about five seconds after I hit send.

Too late to retrieve the message at that point.

Thanks for the reply.

Cheers!

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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As others have pointed out, this is a WKP (well-known problem) with
VS.NET 2002 and VS.NET 2003, which has been fixed in VS.NET 2005.

[Aarthi]

Unfortunately with VS 2003, you need to live with this. This is corrected in
VS 2005
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Aarthi R S

"Craig Hunt" wrote:

I posted this in another newsgroup, so please forgive me if you've already
seen it.
---

Am I missing something here?

Quite frequently, I'll write an aspx document taking care to format the HTML
so that I and others on my team can read it. <sarcasm>We kind of like to
know what's going on when we come back to the document later.</sarcasm> In
any case, the editor, when switching from HTML view to the designer view
will do crazy things like completely remove all of the formatting in the
HTML as well as remove style and other attributes, and it will even remove
the quotes from the attributes it leaves in place.

I've checked the options for my IDE, and I've turned off HTML validation and
unchecked the Apply Automatic Formatting boxes. Is there another setting I
need to check to get the IDE to leave my HTML as I enter it. I'm really
getting tired of having to fix the IDE's screw ups because it REALLY doesn't
know how to write HTML.

TIA for any assistance.

Craig

[poppybush]

In a perfect world VS's HTML view would be Notepad with intellisense.

[Juan T. Llibre]

And color-coding, and collapsing regions, and...and...and.

Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
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In a perfect world VS's HTML view would be Notepad with intellisense.

[poppybush]

How customizable is the HTML editor in 2005 Juan?

[Juan T. Llibre]

Quite a bit, poppybush.

Check out the possibilities in "Tools", "Options", "Text HTML Editor",
and see all the stuff that you can customize in "Tag Specific Options".

Also, if you check "Show all settings", after "Tools", "Options",
you can scroll down to "Text Editor" and the "HTML",
for a bundle of additional settings you can customize.

You can even customize language-specific stuff.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
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How customizable is the HTML editor in 2005 Juan?

[Rhywun]

The tag-specific formatting in VS2005 still needs a little work. End
tags wind up all clustered on one line in the same annoying manner that
VS2003 provided:

<ol>
<li>one</li>
<li>two</li></ol>

Even if you tell it to insert a line-break before the ending </ol> tag,
it doesn't happen... unless there is a space before the end tag. But
who is going to remember to separate all their tags with spaces?

[Alan Silver]

>The tag-specific formatting in VS2005 still needs a little work. End

tags wind up all clustered on one line in the same annoying manner that
VS2003 provided:

<snip>

And have you discovered that setting the indent for HTML to zero still
gives indented HTML?

And why does *every* single tag have a separate closing tag? For
example, when you add a Literal, you get...

<asp:Literal ID="" Runat="Server"></asp:Literal>

Why would I want that? I can't think of a single good reason to separate
out the closing tag. Sure, some controls are very likely to want it, but
many aren't. You don't seem to have the choice.

Close, but still so far ;-(

--
Alan Silver
(anything added below this line is nothing to do with me)

[PL]

> And why does *every* single tag have a separate closing tag? For example, when you add a Literal, you get...

What a lot of wining, does an extremely unimportant thing like that really bother you ?

Close, but still so far ;-(

How do you ever get past one single day of programming ? I think you better
take a look at you life and decide if you want to continue with programming
if a small thing like that bothers you that much.

PL.

[Juan T. Llibre]

Hi, Alan.

That behavior is really a disgrace, since the default code
for the Literal tag is without the separate closing tag :

http://beta.asp.net/QUICKSTART/util/...l/Literal1.src

To make this a bit more bearable, did you know that
you can add custom text snippets to VS 2005's Toolbox ?

Just write your tag, formatted the way you like it :

<asp:Literal ID="" Runat="Server"></asp:Literal>

and drag it into the Toolbox.

When you drag that Text snippet into any file,
it will be inserted exactly as you wrote it.

I agree, the Literal, and other controls, should have a closing tag in its
own line, instead of a closing tag separated from the code, but using
the text code snippets help alleviate that pain.

Have you bugged that behavior at the Feedback Center ?
That's the best way to get VS features modified.

Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
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"Alan Silver" <al*********@nospam.thanx> wrote in message
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The tag-specific formatting in VS2005 still needs a little work. End
tags wind up all clustered on one line in the same annoying manner that
VS2003 provided:

<snip>

And have you discovered that setting the indent for HTML to zero still gives indented
HTML?

And why does *every* single tag have a separate closing tag? For example, when you add a
Literal, you get...

<asp:Literal ID="" Runat="Server"></asp:Literal>

Why would I want that? I can't think of a single good reason to separate out the closing
tag. Sure, some controls are very likely to want it, but many aren't. You don't seem to
have the choice.

Close, but still so far ;-(

--
Alan Silver
(anything added below this line is nothing to do with me)

[Alan Silver]

>Hi, Alan.

That behavior is really a disgrace, since the default code
for the Literal tag is without the separate closing tag :

http://beta.asp.net/QUICKSTART/util/...pnet/samples/c
trlref/standard/Literal/Literal1.src
Oh well, at least I'm not alone!!
To make this a bit more bearable, did you know that
you can add custom text snippets to VS 2005's Toolbox ? <snip>

I knew in theory, but haven't explored far enough to do it myself. I
find it a bit of a shame that I have to do this myself, but at least
once it's done, I can have it how I want it.
Have you bugged that behavior at the Feedback Center ?
That's the best way to get VS features modified.
No I haven't. Where do you go to log such things?

Ta ra
Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
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"Alan Silver" <al*********@nospam.thanx> wrote in message
news:Hn**************@nospamthankyou.spam...

>The tag-specific formatting in VS2005 still needs a little work. End
tags wind up all clustered on one line in the same annoying manner that
VS2003 provided:

<snip>

And have you discovered that setting the indent for HTML to zero
still gives indented
HTML?

And why does *every* single tag have a separate closing tag? For
example, when you add a
Literal, you get...

<asp:Literal ID="" Runat="Server"></asp:Literal>

Why would I want that? I can't think of a single good reason to
separate out the closing
tag. Sure, some controls are very likely to want it, but many aren't.
You don't seem to
have the choice.

Close, but still so far ;-(

--
Alan Silver
(anything added below this line is nothing to do with me)

--
Alan Silver
(anything added below this line is nothing to do with me)

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

at least once it's done, I can have it how I want it.
Yeah.It should be default behavior, but at least we can do it.

re: Where do you go to log such things?

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/

You can make suggestions or file bug reports.
You'll need a Passport account to be able to post there.


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"Alan Silver" <al*********@nospam.thanx> wrote in message
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Hi, Alan.

That behavior is really a disgrace, since the default code
for the Literal tag is without the separate closing tag :

http://beta.asp.net/QUICKSTART/util/...l/Literal1.src

Oh well, at least I'm not alone!!

To make this a bit more bearable, did you know that
you can add custom text snippets to VS 2005's Toolbox ?

<snip>

I knew in theory, but haven't explored far enough to do it myself. I find it a bit of a
shame that I have to do this myself, but at least once it's done, I can have it how I
want it.

Have you bugged that behavior at the Feedback Center ?
That's the best way to get VS features modified.

No I haven't. Where do you go to log such things?

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"Alan Silver" <al*********@nospam.thanx> wrote in message
news:Hn**************@nospamthankyou.spam...

>The tag-specific formatting in VS2005 still needs a little work. End
tags wind up all clustered on one line in the same annoying manner that
VS2003 provided:
<snip>

And have you discovered that setting the indent for HTML to zero still gives indented
HTML?

And why does *every* single tag have a separate closing tag? For example, when you add
a
Literal, you get...

<asp:Literal ID="" Runat="Server"></asp:Literal>

Why would I want that? I can't think of a single good reason to separate out the
closing
tag. Sure, some controls are very likely to want it, but many aren't. You don't seem
to
have the choice.

Close, but still so far ;-(

[Alan Silver]

>> Where do you go to log such things?

http://lab.msdn.microsoft.com/productfeedback/

You can make suggestions or file bug reports. You'll need a Passport
account to be able to post there.

Thanks, I've logged two things there, this one and the fact that you
don't seem to be able to turn off HTML indenting. Again, not
earth-shattering, but annoying to those who like neat code.

Thanks for the link. Ta ra

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(anything added below this line is nothing to do with me)