detailed reference books with asp.net and c#

[Steve H.]

Hi all,

I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid of buying
books here in denmark that i cant read though before i get them, becuase 90%
of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3 chapters on object oriented
programming or c# inside a asp.net book.

Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would cover all
aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session managment, web.config
and so on.

[Shawn Wildermuth]

Hello Steve H.,

Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?

if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's ASP.NET book

If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET book

If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop of books
appear.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

Hi all,

I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid of
buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i get
them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3 chapters
on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net book.

Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would cover
all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session managment,
web.config and so on.

[Steve H.]

Thanks for the response.

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the unknown for
a paycheck.

"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...

Hello Steve H.,

Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?

if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's ASP.NET
book

If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET book

If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop of
books appear.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

Hi all,

I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid of
buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i get
them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3 chapters
on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net book.

Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would cover
all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session managment,
web.config and so on.

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the unknown for a paycheck.
Remember that 2.0 will be released in 1 month ( week of Nov. 7 ).
1.1 will slowly be deprecated after that happens.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl... Thanks for the response.

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the unknown for a paycheck.

"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...

Hello Steve H.,

Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?

if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's ASP.NET book

If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET book

If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop of books appear.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

Hi all,

I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid of
buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i get
them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3 chapters
on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net book.

Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would cover
all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session managment,
web.config and so on.

[Steve H.]

The company i'm working for is in the process of converting asp3 to asp.net,
we are 2 months into the conversion and about 7-8 months away from the goal.
We dont have the option of changing technology now, and would be afraid of
diving into untested waters. 6 months after it's released and i'd have much
more faith. So it works out good in a way, after asp to 1.1 .net is done,
we can look at 2.0 and the conversion from 1.1 to 2.0 wont be half as big as
what we are undertaking now.
God i'd love the master page option of 2.0.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ea**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

re:

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the unknown
for a paycheck.

Remember that 2.0 will be released in 1 month ( week of Nov. 7 ).
1.1 will slowly be deprecated after that happens.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

Thanks for the response.

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the unknown
for a paycheck.

"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...

Hello Steve H.,

Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?

if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's ASP.NET
book

If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET book

If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop of
books appear.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

Hi all,

I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid of
buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i get
them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3 chapters
on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net book.

Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would cover
all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session managment,
web.config and so on.

[Shawn Wildermuth]

Hello Juan,

With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from release,
I suspect a fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for the time being.
MS needs to be careful about "depreciating" 1.1 until people are happy with
2.0. Juan, are you a MS guy, or external to MS? I don't want to assume
the depreciating comment is a notice from MS if it is just your opinion.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

re:

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
unknown for a paycheck.

Remember that 2.0 will be released in 1 month ( week of Nov. 7 ). 1.1
will slowly be deprecated after that happens.

Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

Thanks for the response.

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
unknown for a paycheck.

"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...

Hello Steve H.,

Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?

if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's
ASP.NET book

If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET
book

If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop
of books appear.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP
Hi all,

I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid
of buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i
get them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3
chapters on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net
book.

Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would
cover all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session
managment, web.config and so on.

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

God i'd love the master page option of 2.0.
You might want to download and examine this :

http://www.codeproject.com/aspnet/effectivempages.asp

You'll have to become a member of the Code Project to be able
to download the sample code, but it's free and they don't harass
you with spam.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e$*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... The company i'm working for is in the process of converting asp3 to asp.net, we are 2
months into the conversion and about 7-8 months away from the goal. We dont have the
option of changing technology now, and would be afraid of diving into untested waters. 6
months after it's released and i'd have much more faith. So it works out good in a way,
after asp to 1.1 .net is done, we can look at 2.0 and the conversion from 1.1 to 2.0
wont be half as big as what we are undertaking now.
God i'd love the master page option of 2.0.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:ea**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

re:

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the unknown for a
paycheck.

Remember that 2.0 will be released in 1 month ( week of Nov. 7 ).
1.1 will slowly be deprecated after that happens.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

Thanks for the response.

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the unknown for a
paycheck.

"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...
Hello Steve H.,

Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?

if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's ASP.NET book

If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET book

If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop of books appear.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

> Hi all,
>
> I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid of
> buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i get
> them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3 chapters
> on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net book.
>
> Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would cover
> all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session managment,
> web.config and so on.
>

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

Juan, are you a MS guy, or external to MS?
Shawn, you are an MVP.
My signature says I'm an MVP.

You *know* that MVPs cannot be MS employees.

re: MS needs to be careful about "depreciating" 1.1
What I wrote was that "ASP.NET 1.1 will be slowly deprecated"
after ASP.NET 2.0 is introduced, just like ASP.NET 1.0 was slowly
deprecated after ASP.NET 1.1 was introduced.

It's a natural market effect for that to happen,
and is not something MS will, or will not, do.

MS will continue to support ASP.NET 1.1 for a long time,
but the *market* will slowly deprecate it, i.e., it will be used
less and less as time passes.

re: With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from release, I suspect a
fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for the time being.
You may very well suspect that, although you don't provide any specifics.

I believe just the opposite : that ASP.NET 2.0 solves many more
problems than it brings with it, and that the benefits of its adoption are clear.

Add to that : VS.NET 2005 has been much improved over VS.NET 2003,
and you should agree that the net result is a far better way to develop ASP.NET
applications...which deliver substantially better performance.

There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using
ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com... Hello Juan,

With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from release, I suspect a
fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for the time being. MS needs to be careful
about "depreciating" 1.1 until people are happy with 2.0. Juan, are you a MS guy, or
external to MS? I don't want to assume the depreciating comment is a notice from MS if
it is just your opinion.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

re:

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
unknown for a paycheck.

Remember that 2.0 will be released in 1 month ( week of Nov. 7 ). 1.1
will slowly be deprecated after that happens.

Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

Thanks for the response.

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
unknown for a paycheck.

"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...

Hello Steve H.,

Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?

if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's
ASP.NET book

If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET
book

If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop
of books appear.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP
> Hi all,
>
> I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid
> of buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i
> get them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3
> chapters on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net
> book.
>
> Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would
> cover all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session
> managment, web.config and so on.
>

[Steve H.]

> There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using

ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.
There is always this "it's best" or at least "it's better". Of course .net
2.0 is an improvement. But some of us dont have the option of determining
how/when/and with which tools things are developed in.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... re:

Juan, are you a MS guy, or external to MS?

Shawn, you are an MVP.
My signature says I'm an MVP.

You *know* that MVPs cannot be MS employees.

re:

MS needs to be careful about "depreciating" 1.1

What I wrote was that "ASP.NET 1.1 will be slowly deprecated"
after ASP.NET 2.0 is introduced, just like ASP.NET 1.0 was slowly
deprecated after ASP.NET 1.1 was introduced.

It's a natural market effect for that to happen,
and is not something MS will, or will not, do.

MS will continue to support ASP.NET 1.1 for a long time,
but the *market* will slowly deprecate it, i.e., it will be used
less and less as time passes.

re:

With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from release,
I suspect a fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for the time
being.

You may very well suspect that, although you don't provide any specifics.

I believe just the opposite : that ASP.NET 2.0 solves many more
problems than it brings with it, and that the benefits of its adoption are
clear.

Add to that : VS.NET 2005 has been much improved over VS.NET 2003,
and you should agree that the net result is a far better way to develop
ASP.NET
applications...which deliver substantially better performance.

There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using
ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...

Hello Juan,

With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from release,
I suspect a fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for the time
being. MS needs to be careful about "depreciating" 1.1 until people are
happy with 2.0. Juan, are you a MS guy, or external to MS? I don't want
to assume the depreciating comment is a notice from MS if it is just your
opinion.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

re:

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
unknown for a paycheck.

Remember that 2.0 will be released in 1 month ( week of Nov. 7 ). 1.1
will slowly be deprecated after that happens.

Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
Thanks for the response.

1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
unknown for a paycheck.

"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...

> Hello Steve H.,
>
> Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?
>
> if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's
> ASP.NET book
>
> If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET
> book
>
> If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop
> of books appear.
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn Wildermuth
> Speaker, Author and C# MVP
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid
>> of buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i
>> get them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3
>> chapters on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net
>> book.
>>
>> Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would
>> cover all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session
>> managment, web.config and so on.
>>

[Juan T. Llibre]

re:

Of course .net 2.0 is an improvement.
That's the way I see it, too.

re: some of us dont have the option of determining how/when/and with which tools things are
developed in.

Sure, but I'm sure you'll want to work with the tools you consider
are better/more efficient/easier to work with, and you'll make the
case for your company to adopt those tools, regardless of which
those tools might be.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eo**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using
ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.

There is always this "it's best" or at least "it's better". Of course .net 2.0 is an
improvement. But some of us dont have the option of determining how/when/and with which
tools things are developed in.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

re:

Juan, are you a MS guy, or external to MS?

Shawn, you are an MVP.
My signature says I'm an MVP.

You *know* that MVPs cannot be MS employees.

re:

MS needs to be careful about "depreciating" 1.1

What I wrote was that "ASP.NET 1.1 will be slowly deprecated"
after ASP.NET 2.0 is introduced, just like ASP.NET 1.0 was slowly
deprecated after ASP.NET 1.1 was introduced.

It's a natural market effect for that to happen,
and is not something MS will, or will not, do.

MS will continue to support ASP.NET 1.1 for a long time,
but the *market* will slowly deprecate it, i.e., it will be used
less and less as time passes.

re:

With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from release, I suspect a
fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for the time being.

You may very well suspect that, although you don't provide any specifics.

I believe just the opposite : that ASP.NET 2.0 solves many more
problems than it brings with it, and that the benefits of its adoption are clear.

Add to that : VS.NET 2005 has been much improved over VS.NET 2003,
and you should agree that the net result is a far better way to develop ASP.NET
applications...which deliver substantially better performance.

There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using
ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...

Hello Juan,

With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from release, I suspect a
fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for the time being. MS needs to be
careful about "depreciating" 1.1 until people are happy with 2.0. Juan, are you a MS
guy, or external to MS? I don't want to assume the depreciating comment is a notice
from MS if it is just your opinion.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

re:

> 1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
> unknown for a paycheck.
>
Remember that 2.0 will be released in 1 month ( week of Nov. 7 ). 1.1
will slowly be deprecated after that happens.

Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> Thanks for the response.
>
> 1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
> unknown for a paycheck.
>
> "Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
> news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...
>
>> Hello Steve H.,
>>
>> Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?
>>
>> if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's
>> ASP.NET book
>>
>> If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET
>> book
>>
>> If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop
>> of books appear.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Shawn Wildermuth
>> Speaker, Author and C# MVP
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid
>>> of buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i
>>> get them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3
>>> chapters on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net
>>> book.
>>>
>>> Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would
>>> cover all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session
>>> managment, web.config and so on.
>>>

[Steve H.]

Well, situation as is, we work with vs2003 at the moment. I was just
looking for what others consider to be good asp.net books. We will surely
move to 2.0 when the time comes, but it's just not now.

I had a very good c# book from microsoft which was more like a textbook that
covered every single aspect of c# without "showing by only example". was
hoping to find a similar style book for asp.net.


"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Ov**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

re:

Of course .net 2.0 is an improvement.

That's the way I see it, too.

re:

some of us dont have the option of determining how/when/and with which
tools things are developed in.

Sure, but I'm sure you'll want to work with the tools you consider
are better/more efficient/easier to work with, and you'll make the
case for your company to adopt those tools, regardless of which
those tools might be.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eo**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using
ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.

There is always this "it's best" or at least "it's better". Of course
.net 2.0 is an improvement. But some of us dont have the option of
determining how/when/and with which tools things are developed in.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

re:
Juan, are you a MS guy, or external to MS?

Shawn, you are an MVP.
My signature says I'm an MVP.

You *know* that MVPs cannot be MS employees.

re:
MS needs to be careful about "depreciating" 1.1

What I wrote was that "ASP.NET 1.1 will be slowly deprecated"
after ASP.NET 2.0 is introduced, just like ASP.NET 1.0 was slowly
deprecated after ASP.NET 1.1 was introduced.

It's a natural market effect for that to happen,
and is not something MS will, or will not, do.

MS will continue to support ASP.NET 1.1 for a long time,
but the *market* will slowly deprecate it, i.e., it will be used
less and less as time passes.

re:
With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from
release, I suspect a fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for
the time being.

You may very well suspect that, although you don't provide any
specifics.

I believe just the opposite : that ASP.NET 2.0 solves many more
problems than it brings with it, and that the benefits of its adoption
are clear.

Add to that : VS.NET 2005 has been much improved over VS.NET 2003,
and you should agree that the net result is a far better way to develop
ASP.NET
applications...which deliver substantially better performance.

There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using
ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...
Hello Juan,

With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from
release, I suspect a fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for
the time being. MS needs to be careful about "depreciating" 1.1 until
people are happy with 2.0. Juan, are you a MS guy, or external to MS?
I don't want to assume the depreciating comment is a notice from MS if
it is just your opinion.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

> re:
>
>> 1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
>> unknown for a paycheck.
>>
> Remember that 2.0 will be released in 1 month ( week of Nov. 7 ). 1.1
> will slowly be deprecated after that happens.
>
> Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
> ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
> Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
> ======================================
> "Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks for the response.
>>
>> 1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
>> unknown for a paycheck.
>>
>> "Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...
>>
>>> Hello Steve H.,
>>>
>>> Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?
>>>
>>> if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's
>>> ASP.NET book
>>>
>>> If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET
>>> book
>>>
>>> If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop
>>> of books appear.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shawn Wildermuth
>>> Speaker, Author and C# MVP
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid
>>>> of buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i
>>>> get them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3
>>>> chapters on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net
>>>> book.
>>>>
>>>> Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would
>>>> cover all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session
>>>> managment, web.config and so on.
>>>>

[Steve H.]

Well, situation as is, we work with vs2003 at the moment. I was just
looking for what others consider to be good asp.net books. We will surely
move to 2.0 when the time comes, but it's just not now.

I had a very good c# book from microsoft which was more like a textbook that
covered every single aspect of c# without "showing by only example". was
hoping to find a similar style book for asp.net.


"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Ov**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

re:

Of course .net 2.0 is an improvement.

That's the way I see it, too.

re:

some of us dont have the option of determining how/when/and with which
tools things are developed in.

Sure, but I'm sure you'll want to work with the tools you consider
are better/more efficient/easier to work with, and you'll make the
case for your company to adopt those tools, regardless of which
those tools might be.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eo**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using
ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.

There is always this "it's best" or at least "it's better". Of course
.net 2.0 is an improvement. But some of us dont have the option of
determining how/when/and with which tools things are developed in.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

re:
Juan, are you a MS guy, or external to MS?

Shawn, you are an MVP.
My signature says I'm an MVP.

You *know* that MVPs cannot be MS employees.

re:
MS needs to be careful about "depreciating" 1.1

What I wrote was that "ASP.NET 1.1 will be slowly deprecated"
after ASP.NET 2.0 is introduced, just like ASP.NET 1.0 was slowly
deprecated after ASP.NET 1.1 was introduced.

It's a natural market effect for that to happen,
and is not something MS will, or will not, do.

MS will continue to support ASP.NET 1.1 for a long time,
but the *market* will slowly deprecate it, i.e., it will be used
less and less as time passes.

re:
With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from
release, I suspect a fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for
the time being.

You may very well suspect that, although you don't provide any
specifics.

I believe just the opposite : that ASP.NET 2.0 solves many more
problems than it brings with it, and that the benefits of its adoption
are clear.

Add to that : VS.NET 2005 has been much improved over VS.NET 2003,
and you should agree that the net result is a far better way to develop
ASP.NET
applications...which deliver substantially better performance.

There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using
ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...
Hello Juan,

With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from
release, I suspect a fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for
the time being. MS needs to be careful about "depreciating" 1.1 until
people are happy with 2.0. Juan, are you a MS guy, or external to MS?
I don't want to assume the depreciating comment is a notice from MS if
it is just your opinion.

Thanks,
Shawn Wildermuth
Speaker, Author and C# MVP

> re:
>
>> 1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
>> unknown for a paycheck.
>>
> Remember that 2.0 will be released in 1 month ( week of Nov. 7 ). 1.1
> will slowly be deprecated after that happens.
>
> Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
> ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
> Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
> ======================================
> "Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks for the response.
>>
>> 1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
>> unknown for a paycheck.
>>
>> "Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
>> news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...
>>
>>> Hello Steve H.,
>>>
>>> Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?
>>>
>>> if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's
>>> ASP.NET book
>>>
>>> If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET
>>> book
>>>
>>> If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop
>>> of books appear.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Shawn Wildermuth
>>> Speaker, Author and C# MVP
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid
>>>> of buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i
>>>> get them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3
>>>> chapters on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net
>>>> book.
>>>>
>>>> Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would
>>>> cover all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session
>>>> managment, web.config and so on.
>>>>

[Juan T. Llibre]

Hi, Steve.

re:

without "showing by only example". was hoping to find a similar style book for asp.net.
It's very hard to deal with the complex ASP.NET architecture
without going into extensive "show by example" code.

The catch with books currently on the market is, of course,
that they were written with Beta 2, or earlier, code.

I'm a Dino Esposito fan for ASP.NET topics,
and never miss his in-depth articles in MSDN Magazine :

This month, Dino explains "Personalization and User Profiles"
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/is...e/default.aspx

The index page for the current MSDN Magazine issue is :
http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/default.aspx

Going through the code there, not only by Dino, but by all the rest
of the great authors who contribute to MSDN Mag. will place you
at the "Cutting Edge" of ASP.NET.

The MSDN magazine's archives are a motherlode of information.

In January, MS Press will publish Dino's
"Programming Microsoft ASP.NET 2.0 Applications: Advanced Topics"

http://www.microsoft.com/MSPress/books/8377.asp

I can't wait to get it.

This is not to say that all the other fine ASP.NET authors aren't as good
or as exhaustive as Dino, but that I find his way of explaining things to be
direct and to the point, bypassing what has become a fad : writing "cute"
articles and books, instead of solid references.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uj*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... Well, situation as is, we work with vs2003 at the moment. I was just looking for what
others consider to be good asp.net books. We will surely move to 2.0 when the time
comes, but it's just not now.

I had a very good c# book from microsoft which was more like a textbook that covered
every single aspect of c# without "showing by only example". was hoping to find a
similar style book for asp.net.


"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:Ov**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

re:

Of course .net 2.0 is an improvement.

That's the way I see it, too.

re:

some of us dont have the option of determining how/when/and with which tools things
are developed in.

Sure, but I'm sure you'll want to work with the tools you consider
are better/more efficient/easier to work with, and you'll make the
case for your company to adopt those tools, regardless of which
those tools might be.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eo**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...

There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using
ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.

There is always this "it's best" or at least "it's better". Of course .net 2.0 is an
improvement. But some of us dont have the option of determining how/when/and with
which tools things are developed in.

"Juan T. Llibre" <no***********@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
re:
> Juan, are you a MS guy, or external to MS?

Shawn, you are an MVP.
My signature says I'm an MVP.

You *know* that MVPs cannot be MS employees.

re:
> MS needs to be careful about "depreciating" 1.1

What I wrote was that "ASP.NET 1.1 will be slowly deprecated"
after ASP.NET 2.0 is introduced, just like ASP.NET 1.0 was slowly
deprecated after ASP.NET 1.1 was introduced.

It's a natural market effect for that to happen,
and is not something MS will, or will not, do.

MS will continue to support ASP.NET 1.1 for a long time,
but the *market* will slowly deprecate it, i.e., it will be used
less and less as time passes.

re:
> With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from release, I suspect a
> fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for the time being.

You may very well suspect that, although you don't provide any specifics.

I believe just the opposite : that ASP.NET 2.0 solves many more
problems than it brings with it, and that the benefits of its adoption are clear.

Add to that : VS.NET 2005 has been much improved over VS.NET 2003,
and you should agree that the net result is a far better way to develop ASP.NET
applications...which deliver substantially better performance.

There's absolutely *zero* chance of my using
ASP.NET 1.1 for any development project I endeavor.

Most ASP.NET developers I talk to feel the same way.


Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
======================================
"Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...
> Hello Juan,
>
> With the problems I am seeing in 2.0 development one month from release, I suspect a
> fair number of projects will opt to skip 2.0 for the time being. MS needs to be
> careful about "depreciating" 1.1 until people are happy with 2.0. Juan, are you a
> MS guy, or external to MS? I don't want to assume the depreciating comment is a
> notice from MS if it is just your opinion.
>
> Thanks,
> Shawn Wildermuth
> Speaker, Author and C# MVP
>
>> re:
>>
>>> 1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
>>> unknown for a paycheck.
>>>
>> Remember that 2.0 will be released in 1 month ( week of Nov. 7 ). 1.1
>> will slowly be deprecated after that happens.
>>
>> Juan T. Llibre, ASP.NET MVP
>> ASP.NET FAQ : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>> Foros de ASP.NET en Español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>> ======================================
>> "Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>> Thanks for the response.
>>>
>>> 1.1 is what i'm looking for. 2.0 sounds fun, but cant risk the
>>> unknown for a paycheck.
>>>
>>> "Shawn Wildermuth" <sw*********@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message
>>> news:fc*************************@msnews.microsoft. com...
>>>
>>>> Hello Steve H.,
>>>>
>>>> Depends on two things: 1.1 or 2.0; and how experiences are you?
>>>>
>>>> if 1.1, and somewhat experienced, I highly suggest Fritz Onion's
>>>> ASP.NET book
>>>>
>>>> If 1.1 and somewhat a beginner, I suggest Jesse Liberty's ASP.NET
>>>> book
>>>>
>>>> If 2.0, you're too soon. Wait for end of year before the good crop
>>>> of books appear.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Shawn Wildermuth
>>>> Speaker, Author and C# MVP
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm searching for a few good books on asp.net and c#. I'm afraid
>>>>> of buying books here in denmark that i cant read though before i
>>>>> get them, becuase 90% of them are just pure junk. I dont need 3
>>>>> chapters on object oriented programming or c# inside a asp.net
>>>>> book.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking mainly for reference books or tactics books that would
>>>>> cover all aspects of asp.net, like security, controls, session
>>>>> managment, web.config and so on.
>>>>>
>
>

[Lucas Tam]

"Steve H." <ha********@hotmail.com> wrote in news:e$rzo1AyFHA.448
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

God i'd love the master page option of 2.0.

I'm using MasterPages with 1.1 : )

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