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I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.

But the program works fine under w2k professional.

Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?

Many thanks.
Nov 18 '05 #1
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ASP.NET is not enabled by default on a w2k box - are you sure you have setup
the server to support ASP.NET ?
Regards,
SAHP

"ASP newbie" <ne*@new.com> wrote in message
news:uO****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.

But the program works fine under w2k professional.

Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?

Many thanks.

Nov 18 '05 #2

P: n/a
My car ran fine yesterday on the way to work. My car cannot run today on the
Interstate. Can anyone tell me if it's the transmission?

The quality of an answer is directly proportional to the quality of the
question.

IOW, Garbage in, Garbage out.

Are you being charged for your post by the word? Maybe you could add a few.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"ASP newbie" <ne*@new.com> wrote in message
news:uO**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.

But the program works fine under w2k professional.

Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?

Many thanks.

Nov 18 '05 #3

P: n/a
From one "Newbie" to another, I think this reply was rather unprofessional.
I admit that I don't know that much about the differences between W2k
Professional and W2k Server operating systems; however, I do know that there
ARE some differences. My husband had to re-configure our Server operating
system when he removed it from being the household server (he is the
Director of IT - he knows what he's doing - I know enough to be dangerous!)
He had to re-install the operating system to make the one-time Server a
client on the new Server machine. So, this tells me that there ARE
differences between Server operating systems and client operating systems.
While I don't have an answer to ASP newbie's question, I do think that Kevin
was overlooking that fact that newbie asked if there ARE
differences...please try to be a little more courteous to those you are
supposed to be trying to help - we aren't here because we know it all! We
browse these newsgroups looking for help and advice. I appreciate the help
I've been given, but I don't appreciate it when those helping treat us as
though we are idiots! While we may or may not be, you don't have be rude
about it!
"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:uH**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
My car ran fine yesterday on the way to work. My car cannot run today on the Interstate. Can anyone tell me if it's the transmission?

The quality of an answer is directly proportional to the quality of the
question.

IOW, Garbage in, Garbage out.

Are you being charged for your post by the word? Maybe you could add a few.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"ASP newbie" <ne*@new.com> wrote in message
news:uO**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.

But the program works fine under w2k professional.

Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?

Many thanks.


Nov 18 '05 #4

P: n/a
I wasn't being rude. I began with an analogy, to demonstrate the inadequacy
of the question in terms that anyone can understand. The question cannot be
answered accurately as it stands. "The settings" is not specific enough to
determine what "settings" the poster is discussing. And the misbehavior of
the poster's application could be due to any number of factors, as the
information given was too generic to make any kind of guess whatsoever. So,
making a wild guess that the problem (not identified in any way except for
the phrase "cannot run") is due to "The settings" (not identified in any way
whatsoever), is not logical.

Yes, there are differences betwen servers and operating systems, but that is
irrelevant. We have no way of knowing ANYTHING about the cause of the
problem. In fact, we know nothing about the problem at all. If you plan to
become a "professional" programmer, first learn logic. Half of programming
is logic.

Communication is the process of providing and receiving meaningful
information. When a person asks a question, in order to get a meaningful
response, must provide meaningful information about the problem. This is one
meaning of the term "Garbage in, Garbage out," which I didn't invent.

I'm here to help people with problems they have programming in ASP.Net. In
order to resolve this poster's problem, it is first necessary to diagnose
it. In order to diagnose the problem, certain information must be provided
(you know, like going to the Doctor, and he asks "where does it hurt?"). So,
in order to solve this person's immediate problem, which is poor
communication skills, I offered help with that problem, so that, assuming
that the original poster took my advice, he would be able to provide the
information necessary to solve the other (unknown at this point) problem. By
giving him some advice about effective communication, I hoped to help him
solve future problems as well.

Now, I've been doing this for free for about 8 years now. As a compassionate
person that wants to help, and a person who spends a good bit of time
putting together detailed and explicit information for people with probems,
it often frustrates me when the people who need the help don't spend half as
much time framing their issues in ways that enable me (and the others here)
to help them. So I ended with a little joke, perhaps a bit sarcastic, but
out of frustration, not anger or malice.

YOU, on the other hand, have no help to offer. Instead, you want to publicly
castigate me for my bedside manner. The medical community has a saying:
"First, do no harm." By attacking me publicly, you have done just that, to
someone who has spent countless hours helping people voluntarily. Perhaps
you and I would both have been better off if you had either approached me
privately, or just kept your mouth shut.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
From one "Newbie" to another, I think this reply was rather unprofessional. I admit that I don't know that much about the differences between W2k
Professional and W2k Server operating systems; however, I do know that there ARE some differences. My husband had to re-configure our Server operating
system when he removed it from being the household server (he is the
Director of IT - he knows what he's doing - I know enough to be dangerous!) He had to re-install the operating system to make the one-time Server a
client on the new Server machine. So, this tells me that there ARE
differences between Server operating systems and client operating systems.
While I don't have an answer to ASP newbie's question, I do think that Kevin was overlooking that fact that newbie asked if there ARE
differences...please try to be a little more courteous to those you are
supposed to be trying to help - we aren't here because we know it all! We
browse these newsgroups looking for help and advice. I appreciate the help I've been given, but I don't appreciate it when those helping treat us as
though we are idiots! While we may or may not be, you don't have be rude
about it!
"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:uH**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
My car ran fine yesterday on the way to work. My car cannot run today on

the
Interstate. Can anyone tell me if it's the transmission?

The quality of an answer is directly proportional to the quality of the
question.

IOW, Garbage in, Garbage out.

Are you being charged for your post by the word? Maybe you could add a

few.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"ASP newbie" <ne*@new.com> wrote in message
news:uO**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.

But the program works fine under w2k professional.

Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?

Many thanks.



Nov 18 '05 #5

P: n/a
I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not however,
change my feeling that your response was unprofessional and uncalled for.
While I appreciate all of the help that I have received using these
newsgroups, and on occasion I have been able to send some help of my own, I
have never had a Microsoft professional respond in such an unprofessional
manner, and I have never responded in such a manner. I hope that you can
send ASP newbie some help in a manner that is not "Sarcastic" and
unprofessional. ASP newbie, please accept my apologies for using your post
to chastise an unprofessional response.

"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
I wasn't being rude. I began with an analogy, to demonstrate the inadequacy of the question in terms that anyone can understand. The question cannot be answered accurately as it stands. "The settings" is not specific enough to
determine what "settings" the poster is discussing. And the misbehavior of
the poster's application could be due to any number of factors, as the
information given was too generic to make any kind of guess whatsoever. So, making a wild guess that the problem (not identified in any way except for
the phrase "cannot run") is due to "The settings" (not identified in any way whatsoever), is not logical.

Yes, there are differences betwen servers and operating systems, but that is irrelevant. We have no way of knowing ANYTHING about the cause of the
problem. In fact, we know nothing about the problem at all. If you plan to
become a "professional" programmer, first learn logic. Half of programming
is logic.

Communication is the process of providing and receiving meaningful
information. When a person asks a question, in order to get a meaningful
response, must provide meaningful information about the problem. This is one meaning of the term "Garbage in, Garbage out," which I didn't invent.

I'm here to help people with problems they have programming in ASP.Net. In
order to resolve this poster's problem, it is first necessary to diagnose
it. In order to diagnose the problem, certain information must be provided
(you know, like going to the Doctor, and he asks "where does it hurt?"). So, in order to solve this person's immediate problem, which is poor
communication skills, I offered help with that problem, so that, assuming
that the original poster took my advice, he would be able to provide the
information necessary to solve the other (unknown at this point) problem. By giving him some advice about effective communication, I hoped to help him
solve future problems as well.

Now, I've been doing this for free for about 8 years now. As a compassionate person that wants to help, and a person who spends a good bit of time
putting together detailed and explicit information for people with probems, it often frustrates me when the people who need the help don't spend half as much time framing their issues in ways that enable me (and the others here) to help them. So I ended with a little joke, perhaps a bit sarcastic, but
out of frustration, not anger or malice.

YOU, on the other hand, have no help to offer. Instead, you want to publicly castigate me for my bedside manner. The medical community has a saying:
"First, do no harm." By attacking me publicly, you have done just that, to
someone who has spent countless hours helping people voluntarily. Perhaps
you and I would both have been better off if you had either approached me
privately, or just kept your mouth shut.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
From one "Newbie" to another, I think this reply was rather

unprofessional.
I admit that I don't know that much about the differences between W2k
Professional and W2k Server operating systems; however, I do know that

there
ARE some differences. My husband had to re-configure our Server operating system when he removed it from being the household server (he is the
Director of IT - he knows what he's doing - I know enough to be

dangerous!)
He had to re-install the operating system to make the one-time Server a
client on the new Server machine. So, this tells me that there ARE
differences between Server operating systems and client operating systems. While I don't have an answer to ASP newbie's question, I do think that

Kevin
was overlooking that fact that newbie asked if there ARE
differences...please try to be a little more courteous to those you are
supposed to be trying to help - we aren't here because we know it all! We browse these newsgroups looking for help and advice. I appreciate the

help
I've been given, but I don't appreciate it when those helping treat us as though we are idiots! While we may or may not be, you don't have be rude about it!
"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:uH**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
My car ran fine yesterday on the way to work. My car cannot run today on
the
Interstate. Can anyone tell me if it's the transmission?

The quality of an answer is directly proportional to the quality of

the question.

IOW, Garbage in, Garbage out.

Are you being charged for your post by the word? Maybe you could add a

few.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"ASP newbie" <ne*@new.com> wrote in message
news:uO**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.
>
> But the program works fine under w2k professional.
>
> Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?
>
> Many thanks.
>
>



Nov 18 '05 #6

P: n/a
> I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not
however,

How can you logically apologize for something and in the same breath, do it
again? Again, rather than help, you offer attack, which helps nobody.

BTW, I am NOT a "Microsoft Professional." I don't work for Microsoft, never
have. This is purely voluntary (I thought I had pointed that out). And, as
long as we're on the subject, who are you to define what is professional? I
AM a professional. You are not. When you've paid your dues, like the rest of
us professionals, you may earn that right. Do you have the self-discipline
to do so? Only time will tell.

Maybe politics would be more suitable a profession for you. Logic is
necessary for programming, but not for politics.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not however, change my feeling that your response was unprofessional and uncalled for.
While I appreciate all of the help that I have received using these
newsgroups, and on occasion I have been able to send some help of my own, I have never had a Microsoft professional respond in such an unprofessional
manner, and I have never responded in such a manner. I hope that you can
send ASP newbie some help in a manner that is not "Sarcastic" and
unprofessional. ASP newbie, please accept my apologies for using your post to chastise an unprofessional response.

"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
I wasn't being rude. I began with an analogy, to demonstrate the inadequacy
of the question in terms that anyone can understand. The question cannot

be
answered accurately as it stands. "The settings" is not specific enough to
determine what "settings" the poster is discussing. And the misbehavior of the poster's application could be due to any number of factors, as the
information given was too generic to make any kind of guess whatsoever.

So,
making a wild guess that the problem (not identified in any way except for the phrase "cannot run") is due to "The settings" (not identified in any

way
whatsoever), is not logical.

Yes, there are differences betwen servers and operating systems, but that is
irrelevant. We have no way of knowing ANYTHING about the cause of the
problem. In fact, we know nothing about the problem at all. If you plan
to become a "professional" programmer, first learn logic. Half of programming is logic.

Communication is the process of providing and receiving meaningful
information. When a person asks a question, in order to get a meaningful
response, must provide meaningful information about the problem. This is

one
meaning of the term "Garbage in, Garbage out," which I didn't invent.

I'm here to help people with problems they have programming in ASP.Net. In order to resolve this poster's problem, it is first necessary to diagnose it. In order to diagnose the problem, certain information must be provided (you know, like going to the Doctor, and he asks "where does it hurt?").

So,
in order to solve this person's immediate problem, which is poor
communication skills, I offered help with that problem, so that, assuming that the original poster took my advice, he would be able to provide the
information necessary to solve the other (unknown at this point) problem. By
giving him some advice about effective communication, I hoped to help
him solve future problems as well.

Now, I've been doing this for free for about 8 years now. As a

compassionate
person that wants to help, and a person who spends a good bit of time
putting together detailed and explicit information for people with

probems,
it often frustrates me when the people who need the help don't spend half as
much time framing their issues in ways that enable me (and the others here)
to help them. So I ended with a little joke, perhaps a bit sarcastic,

but out of frustration, not anger or malice.

YOU, on the other hand, have no help to offer. Instead, you want to

publicly
castigate me for my bedside manner. The medical community has a saying:
"First, do no harm." By attacking me publicly, you have done just that, to someone who has spent countless hours helping people voluntarily. Perhaps you and I would both have been better off if you had either approached me privately, or just kept your mouth shut.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
From one "Newbie" to another, I think this reply was rather

unprofessional.
I admit that I don't know that much about the differences between W2k
Professional and W2k Server operating systems; however, I do know that

there
ARE some differences. My husband had to re-configure our Server

operating system when he removed it from being the household server (he is the
Director of IT - he knows what he's doing - I know enough to be

dangerous!)
He had to re-install the operating system to make the one-time Server a client on the new Server machine. So, this tells me that there ARE
differences between Server operating systems and client operating systems. While I don't have an answer to ASP newbie's question, I do think that

Kevin
was overlooking that fact that newbie asked if there ARE
differences...please try to be a little more courteous to those you are supposed to be trying to help - we aren't here because we know it all! We browse these newsgroups looking for help and advice. I appreciate the

help
I've been given, but I don't appreciate it when those helping treat us as though we are idiots! While we may or may not be, you don't have be rude about it!
"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:uH**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> My car ran fine yesterday on the way to work. My car cannot run today on
the
> Interstate. Can anyone tell me if it's the transmission?
>
> The quality of an answer is directly proportional to the quality of the > question.
>
> IOW, Garbage in, Garbage out.
>
> Are you being charged for your post by the word? Maybe you could add

a few.
>
> --
> HTH,
> Kevin Spencer
> .Net Developer
> Microsoft MVP
> Neither a follower
> nor a lender be.
>
> "ASP newbie" <ne*@new.com> wrote in message
> news:uO**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.
> >
> > But the program works fine under w2k professional.
> >
> > Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?
> >
> > Many thanks.
> >
> >
>
>



Nov 18 '05 #7

P: n/a
I tried to respond privately, but from my office am unable to do so. I
NEVER implied that you are not a professional programmer, in fact by your
signature, "Microsoft MVP" I knew that you were. What I said was that you
responded in an unprofessional manner. Your lengthy posts, in my opinion,
only go to prove this. I will not respond any further to any additional
posts from you. You are entitled to your opinion of me, as I am entitled to
my opinion of you. I AM a professional programmer by trade, I have on
occasion posted responses to individuals asking for help, but have NEVER in
any manner responded unprofessionally. You just have, many times. I'm
done, you can post more, but your posts will only go to show how
unprofessional your manner is.

"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not however,

How can you logically apologize for something and in the same breath, do

it again? Again, rather than help, you offer attack, which helps nobody.

BTW, I am NOT a "Microsoft Professional." I don't work for Microsoft, never have. This is purely voluntary (I thought I had pointed that out). And, as long as we're on the subject, who are you to define what is professional? I AM a professional. You are not. When you've paid your dues, like the rest of us professionals, you may earn that right. Do you have the self-discipline
to do so? Only time will tell.

Maybe politics would be more suitable a profession for you. Logic is
necessary for programming, but not for politics.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not however,
change my feeling that your response was unprofessional and uncalled for.
While I appreciate all of the help that I have received using these
newsgroups, and on occasion I have been able to send some help of my own, I
have never had a Microsoft professional respond in such an
unprofessional manner, and I have never responded in such a manner. I hope that you can send ASP newbie some help in a manner that is not "Sarcastic" and
unprofessional. ASP newbie, please accept my apologies for using your

post
to chastise an unprofessional response.

"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
I wasn't being rude. I began with an analogy, to demonstrate the

inadequacy
of the question in terms that anyone can understand. The question cannot
be
answered accurately as it stands. "The settings" is not specific
enough to determine what "settings" the poster is discussing. And the
misbehavior
of the poster's application could be due to any number of factors, as the
information given was too generic to make any kind of guess
whatsoever. So,
making a wild guess that the problem (not identified in any way except for the phrase "cannot run") is due to "The settings" (not identified in
any way
whatsoever), is not logical.

Yes, there are differences betwen servers and operating systems, but that
is
irrelevant. We have no way of knowing ANYTHING about the cause of the
problem. In fact, we know nothing about the problem at all. If you
plan to become a "professional" programmer, first learn logic. Half of programming is logic.

Communication is the process of providing and receiving meaningful
information. When a person asks a question, in order to get a
meaningful response, must provide meaningful information about the problem. This is one
meaning of the term "Garbage in, Garbage out," which I didn't invent.

I'm here to help people with problems they have programming in
ASP.Net.
In order to resolve this poster's problem, it is first necessary to diagnose it. In order to diagnose the problem, certain information must be provided (you know, like going to the Doctor, and he asks "where does it
hurt?"). So,
in order to solve this person's immediate problem, which is poor
communication skills, I offered help with that problem, so that, assuming that the original poster took my advice, he would be able to provide
the information necessary to solve the other (unknown at this point)
problem.
By
giving him some advice about effective communication, I hoped to help

him solve future problems as well.

Now, I've been doing this for free for about 8 years now. As a

compassionate
person that wants to help, and a person who spends a good bit of time
putting together detailed and explicit information for people with

probems,
it often frustrates me when the people who need the help don't spend half
as
much time framing their issues in ways that enable me (and the others

here)
to help them. So I ended with a little joke, perhaps a bit sarcastic,

but out of frustration, not anger or malice.

YOU, on the other hand, have no help to offer. Instead, you want to

publicly
castigate me for my bedside manner. The medical community has a saying: "First, do no harm." By attacking me publicly, you have done just that, to
someone who has spent countless hours helping people voluntarily. Perhaps you and I would both have been better off if you had either approached me privately, or just kept your mouth shut.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> From one "Newbie" to another, I think this reply was rather
unprofessional.
> I admit that I don't know that much about the differences between
W2k > Professional and W2k Server operating systems; however, I do know that there
> ARE some differences. My husband had to re-configure our Server operating
> system when he removed it from being the household server (he is the
> Director of IT - he knows what he's doing - I know enough to be
dangerous!)
> He had to re-install the operating system to make the one-time Server a > client on the new Server machine. So, this tells me that there ARE
> differences between Server operating systems and client operating systems.
> While I don't have an answer to ASP newbie's question, I do think
that Kevin
> was overlooking that fact that newbie asked if there ARE
> differences...please try to be a little more courteous to those you

are > supposed to be trying to help - we aren't here because we know it all! We
> browse these newsgroups looking for help and advice. I appreciate
the help
> I've been given, but I don't appreciate it when those helping treat
us as
> though we are idiots! While we may or may not be, you don't have be

rude
> about it!
>
>
> "Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
> news:uH**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > My car ran fine yesterday on the way to work. My car cannot run today
on
> the
> > Interstate. Can anyone tell me if it's the transmission?
> >
> > The quality of an answer is directly proportional to the quality

of the
> > question.
> >
> > IOW, Garbage in, Garbage out.
> >
> > Are you being charged for your post by the word? Maybe you could

add a > few.
> >
> > --
> > HTH,
> > Kevin Spencer
> > .Net Developer
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Neither a follower
> > nor a lender be.
> >
> > "ASP newbie" <ne*@new.com> wrote in message
> > news:uO**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.
> > >
> > > But the program works fine under w2k professional.
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?
> > >
> > > Many thanks.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Nov 18 '05 #8

P: n/a
I dont mean to rub it in, but I'll say that I totally agree with Kevin. You
talk too much for someone that has never helped anybody Colleen. In effect
Kevin's post was very helpful, not only to the newbie but also to anybody
trying to offer any kind of help. I dont understand why you got all heated
up. Personally I think you owe him a "proper" public apology...

There is no such thing as unprofessional help on these public news groups,
either you help "Free" purely voluntary basis or you dont. Instead of
attacking Kevin, maybe you want to contribute and help out, if you feel you
find the original posters question meaningful ;p

Keep up the great work kevin --You've probably already prevented many
newbies from making many inacurate, meaningless posts and hopefully enabled
contributers, like colleen to providing the "professional" help they seek to
provide ;p

The truth cannot offend ofcourse, and if something does not offend then by
definition it cant be rude :)
Peace and god bless.

Regards,
Alessandro Zifiglio
http://www.dotnetbox.com (The custom web control that lets you drag and
resize content on your pages like as if you were in Visual Studio.NET
designer.)
"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:eW**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
I tried to respond privately, but from my office am unable to do so. I
NEVER implied that you are not a professional programmer, in fact by your
signature, "Microsoft MVP" I knew that you were. What I said was that you responded in an unprofessional manner. Your lengthy posts, in my opinion,
only go to prove this. I will not respond any further to any additional
posts from you. You are entitled to your opinion of me, as I am entitled to my opinion of you. I AM a professional programmer by trade, I have on
occasion posted responses to individuals asking for help, but have NEVER in any manner responded unprofessionally. You just have, many times. I'm
done, you can post more, but your posts will only go to show how
unprofessional your manner is.

"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not however,

How can you logically apologize for something and in the same breath, do

it
again? Again, rather than help, you offer attack, which helps nobody.

BTW, I am NOT a "Microsoft Professional." I don't work for Microsoft,

never
have. This is purely voluntary (I thought I had pointed that out). And,

as
long as we're on the subject, who are you to define what is professional? I
AM a professional. You are not. When you've paid your dues, like the rest
of
us professionals, you may earn that right. Do you have the
self-discipline to do so? Only time will tell.

Maybe politics would be more suitable a profession for you. Logic is
necessary for programming, but not for politics.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not

however,
change my feeling that your response was unprofessional and uncalled for. While I appreciate all of the help that I have received using these
newsgroups, and on occasion I have been able to send some help of my own,
I
have never had a Microsoft professional respond in such an

unprofessional manner, and I have never responded in such a manner. I hope that you can send ASP newbie some help in a manner that is not "Sarcastic" and
unprofessional. ASP newbie, please accept my apologies for using your

post
to chastise an unprofessional response.

"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> I wasn't being rude. I began with an analogy, to demonstrate the
inadequacy
> of the question in terms that anyone can understand. The question cannot be
> answered accurately as it stands. "The settings" is not specific enough
to
> determine what "settings" the poster is discussing. And the

misbehavior
of
> the poster's application could be due to any number of factors, as the > information given was too generic to make any kind of guess

whatsoever. So,
> making a wild guess that the problem (not identified in any way except for
> the phrase "cannot run") is due to "The settings" (not identified in any way
> whatsoever), is not logical.
>
> Yes, there are differences betwen servers and operating systems, but

that
is
> irrelevant. We have no way of knowing ANYTHING about the cause of
the > problem. In fact, we know nothing about the problem at all. If you plan
to
> become a "professional" programmer, first learn logic. Half of

programming
> is logic.
>
> Communication is the process of providing and receiving meaningful
> information. When a person asks a question, in order to get a

meaningful > response, must provide meaningful information about the problem. This is
one
> meaning of the term "Garbage in, Garbage out," which I didn't
invent. >
> I'm here to help people with problems they have programming in
ASP.Net.
In
> order to resolve this poster's problem, it is first necessary to

diagnose
> it. In order to diagnose the problem, certain information must be

provided
> (you know, like going to the Doctor, and he asks "where does it

hurt?"). So,
> in order to solve this person's immediate problem, which is poor
> communication skills, I offered help with that problem, so that,

assuming
> that the original poster took my advice, he would be able to provide the > information necessary to solve the other (unknown at this point)

problem.
By
> giving him some advice about effective communication, I hoped to help him
> solve future problems as well.
>
> Now, I've been doing this for free for about 8 years now. As a
compassionate
> person that wants to help, and a person who spends a good bit of
time > putting together detailed and explicit information for people with
probems,
> it often frustrates me when the people who need the help don't spend

half
as
> much time framing their issues in ways that enable me (and the others here)
> to help them. So I ended with a little joke, perhaps a bit sarcastic,
but
> out of frustration, not anger or malice.
>
> YOU, on the other hand, have no help to offer. Instead, you want to
publicly
> castigate me for my bedside manner. The medical community has a saying: > "First, do no harm." By attacking me publicly, you have done just that,
to
> someone who has spent countless hours helping people voluntarily.

Perhaps
> you and I would both have been better off if you had either

approached me
> privately, or just kept your mouth shut.
>
> --
> HTH,
> Kevin Spencer
> .Net Developer
> Microsoft MVP
> Neither a follower
> nor a lender be.
>
> "Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
> news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > From one "Newbie" to another, I think this reply was rather
> unprofessional.
> > I admit that I don't know that much about the differences between W2k > > Professional and W2k Server operating systems; however, I do know that > there
> > ARE some differences. My husband had to re-configure our Server
operating
> > system when he removed it from being the household server (he is
the > > Director of IT - he knows what he's doing - I know enough to be
> dangerous!)
> > He had to re-install the operating system to make the one-time

Server
a
> > client on the new Server machine. So, this tells me that there ARE > > differences between Server operating systems and client operating
systems.
> > While I don't have an answer to ASP newbie's question, I do think

that > Kevin
> > was overlooking that fact that newbie asked if there ARE
> > differences...please try to be a little more courteous to those you are
> > supposed to be trying to help - we aren't here because we know it all! We
> > browse these newsgroups looking for help and advice. I appreciate the > help
> > I've been given, but I don't appreciate it when those helping
treat us as
> > though we are idiots! While we may or may not be, you don't have
be rude
> > about it!
> >
> >
> > "Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
> > news:uH**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > My car ran fine yesterday on the way to work. My car cannot run

today
on
> > the
> > > Interstate. Can anyone tell me if it's the transmission?
> > >
> > > The quality of an answer is directly proportional to the quality

of the
> > > question.
> > >
> > > IOW, Garbage in, Garbage out.
> > >
> > > Are you being charged for your post by the word? Maybe you could

add
a
> > few.
> > >
> > > --
> > > HTH,
> > > Kevin Spencer
> > > .Net Developer
> > > Microsoft MVP
> > > Neither a follower
> > > nor a lender be.
> > >
> > > "ASP newbie" <ne*@new.com> wrote in message
> > > news:uO**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.
> > > >
> > > > But the program works fine under w2k professional.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Nov 18 '05 #9

P: n/a

"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:uH**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
My car ran fine yesterday on the way to work. My car cannot run today on
the
Interstate. Can anyone tell me if it's the transmission?


Did you check the gas tank? ;-)

--
Miha Markic [MVP C#] - RightHand .NET consulting & development
SLODUG - Slovene Developer Users Group
www.rthand.com
Nov 18 '05 #10

P: n/a
Thanks Alessandro. God bless you too!

--
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Alessandro Zifiglio" <al****************@No-Spam--hotmail.com> wrote in
message news:#L**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
I dont mean to rub it in, but I'll say that I totally agree with Kevin. You talk too much for someone that has never helped anybody Colleen. In effect
Kevin's post was very helpful, not only to the newbie but also to anybody
trying to offer any kind of help. I dont understand why you got all heated
up. Personally I think you owe him a "proper" public apology...

There is no such thing as unprofessional help on these public news groups,
either you help "Free" purely voluntary basis or you dont. Instead of
attacking Kevin, maybe you want to contribute and help out, if you feel you find the original posters question meaningful ;p

Keep up the great work kevin --You've probably already prevented many
newbies from making many inacurate, meaningless posts and hopefully enabled contributers, like colleen to providing the "professional" help they seek to provide ;p

The truth cannot offend ofcourse, and if something does not offend then by
definition it cant be rude :)
Peace and god bless.

Regards,
Alessandro Zifiglio
http://www.dotnetbox.com (The custom web control that lets you drag and
resize content on your pages like as if you were in Visual Studio.NET
designer.)
"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:eW**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
I tried to respond privately, but from my office am unable to do so. I
NEVER implied that you are not a professional programmer, in fact by your
signature, "Microsoft MVP" I knew that you were. What I said was that you
responded in an unprofessional manner. Your lengthy posts, in my opinion, only go to prove this. I will not respond any further to any additional
posts from you. You are entitled to your opinion of me, as I am entitled to
my opinion of you. I AM a professional programmer by trade, I have on
occasion posted responses to individuals asking for help, but have NEVER in
any manner responded unprofessionally. You just have, many times. I'm
done, you can post more, but your posts will only go to show how
unprofessional your manner is.

"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not
however,

How can you logically apologize for something and in the same breath, do it
again? Again, rather than help, you offer attack, which helps nobody.

BTW, I am NOT a "Microsoft Professional." I don't work for Microsoft,

never
have. This is purely voluntary (I thought I had pointed that out).
And, as
long as we're on the subject, who are you to define what is professional?
I
AM a professional. You are not. When you've paid your dues, like the

rest
of
us professionals, you may earn that right. Do you have the

self-discipline to do so? Only time will tell.

Maybe politics would be more suitable a profession for you. Logic is
necessary for programming, but not for politics.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not
however,
> change my feeling that your response was unprofessional and uncalled

for.
> While I appreciate all of the help that I have received using these
> newsgroups, and on occasion I have been able to send some help of my

own,
I
> have never had a Microsoft professional respond in such an

unprofessional
> manner, and I have never responded in such a manner. I hope that
you can
> send ASP newbie some help in a manner that is not "Sarcastic" and
> unprofessional. ASP newbie, please accept my apologies for using
your post
> to chastise an unprofessional response.
>
> "Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
> news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > I wasn't being rude. I began with an analogy, to demonstrate the
> inadequacy
> > of the question in terms that anyone can understand. The question

cannot
> be
> > answered accurately as it stands. "The settings" is not specific

enough
to
> > determine what "settings" the poster is discussing. And the

misbehavior
of
> > the poster's application could be due to any number of factors, as

the > > information given was too generic to make any kind of guess

whatsoever.
> So,
> > making a wild guess that the problem (not identified in any way except for
> > the phrase "cannot run") is due to "The settings" (not identified in any
> way
> > whatsoever), is not logical.
> >
> > Yes, there are differences betwen servers and operating systems,
but that
> is
> > irrelevant. We have no way of knowing ANYTHING about the cause of the > > problem. In fact, we know nothing about the problem at all. If you

plan
to
> > become a "professional" programmer, first learn logic. Half of
programming
> > is logic.
> >
> > Communication is the process of providing and receiving meaningful
> > information. When a person asks a question, in order to get a

meaningful
> > response, must provide meaningful information about the problem. This
is
> one
> > meaning of the term "Garbage in, Garbage out," which I didn't

invent. > >
> > I'm here to help people with problems they have programming in

ASP.Net.
In
> > order to resolve this poster's problem, it is first necessary to
diagnose
> > it. In order to diagnose the problem, certain information must be
provided
> > (you know, like going to the Doctor, and he asks "where does it

hurt?").
> So,
> > in order to solve this person's immediate problem, which is poor
> > communication skills, I offered help with that problem, so that,
assuming
> > that the original poster took my advice, he would be able to provide the
> > information necessary to solve the other (unknown at this point)
problem.
> By
> > giving him some advice about effective communication, I hoped to help him
> > solve future problems as well.
> >
> > Now, I've been doing this for free for about 8 years now. As a
> compassionate
> > person that wants to help, and a person who spends a good bit of time > > putting together detailed and explicit information for people with
> probems,
> > it often frustrates me when the people who need the help don't
spend half
> as
> > much time framing their issues in ways that enable me (and the others > here)
> > to help them. So I ended with a little joke, perhaps a bit sarcastic, but
> > out of frustration, not anger or malice.
> >
> > YOU, on the other hand, have no help to offer. Instead, you want to > publicly
> > castigate me for my bedside manner. The medical community has a

saying:
> > "First, do no harm." By attacking me publicly, you have done just

that,
to
> > someone who has spent countless hours helping people voluntarily.
Perhaps
> > you and I would both have been better off if you had either approached me
> > privately, or just kept your mouth shut.
> >
> > --
> > HTH,
> > Kevin Spencer
> > .Net Developer
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Neither a follower
> > nor a lender be.
> >
> > "Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
> > news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > From one "Newbie" to another, I think this reply was rather
> > unprofessional.
> > > I admit that I don't know that much about the differences between W2k
> > > Professional and W2k Server operating systems; however, I do
know
that
> > there
> > > ARE some differences. My husband had to re-configure our Server
> operating
> > > system when he removed it from being the household server (he is the > > > Director of IT - he knows what he's doing - I know enough to be
> > dangerous!)
> > > He had to re-install the operating system to make the one-time

Server
a
> > > client on the new Server machine. So, this tells me that there ARE > > > differences between Server operating systems and client
operating > systems.
> > > While I don't have an answer to ASP newbie's question, I do think that
> > Kevin
> > > was overlooking that fact that newbie asked if there ARE
> > > differences...please try to be a little more courteous to those you are
> > > supposed to be trying to help - we aren't here because we know
it all!
> We
> > > browse these newsgroups looking for help and advice. I
appreciate the
> > help
> > > I've been given, but I don't appreciate it when those helping treat
us
> as
> > > though we are idiots! While we may or may not be, you don't

have be > rude
> > > about it!
> > >
> > >
> > > "Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
> > > news:uH**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > My car ran fine yesterday on the way to work. My car cannot

run today
> on
> > > the
> > > > Interstate. Can anyone tell me if it's the transmission?
> > > >
> > > > The quality of an answer is directly proportional to the

quality of
> the
> > > > question.
> > > >
> > > > IOW, Garbage in, Garbage out.
> > > >
> > > > Are you being charged for your post by the word? Maybe you
could add
a
> > > few.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > HTH,
> > > > Kevin Spencer
> > > > .Net Developer
> > > > Microsoft MVP
> > > > Neither a follower
> > > > nor a lender be.
> > > >
> > > > "ASP newbie" <ne*@new.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:uO**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > > I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the program works fine under w2k professional.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?
> > > > >
> > > > > Many thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Nov 18 '05 #11

P: n/a
Okay, Colleen, since I am behaving in an unprofessional manner, this will
certainly come as no surprise:

HELP! I'm being held captive by the Thought Police!!!!

--
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:eW**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
I tried to respond privately, but from my office am unable to do so. I
NEVER implied that you are not a professional programmer, in fact by your
signature, "Microsoft MVP" I knew that you were. What I said was that you responded in an unprofessional manner. Your lengthy posts, in my opinion,
only go to prove this. I will not respond any further to any additional
posts from you. You are entitled to your opinion of me, as I am entitled to my opinion of you. I AM a professional programmer by trade, I have on
occasion posted responses to individuals asking for help, but have NEVER in any manner responded unprofessionally. You just have, many times. I'm
done, you can post more, but your posts will only go to show how
unprofessional your manner is.

"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not however,

How can you logically apologize for something and in the same breath, do

it
again? Again, rather than help, you offer attack, which helps nobody.

BTW, I am NOT a "Microsoft Professional." I don't work for Microsoft,

never
have. This is purely voluntary (I thought I had pointed that out). And,

as
long as we're on the subject, who are you to define what is professional? I
AM a professional. You are not. When you've paid your dues, like the rest
of
us professionals, you may earn that right. Do you have the
self-discipline to do so? Only time will tell.

Maybe politics would be more suitable a profession for you. Logic is
necessary for programming, but not for politics.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Neither a follower
nor a lender be.

"Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
I will apologize then for "Publicly" sending the email. I will not

however,
change my feeling that your response was unprofessional and uncalled for. While I appreciate all of the help that I have received using these
newsgroups, and on occasion I have been able to send some help of my own,
I
have never had a Microsoft professional respond in such an

unprofessional manner, and I have never responded in such a manner. I hope that you can send ASP newbie some help in a manner that is not "Sarcastic" and
unprofessional. ASP newbie, please accept my apologies for using your

post
to chastise an unprofessional response.

"Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:O5**************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> I wasn't being rude. I began with an analogy, to demonstrate the
inadequacy
> of the question in terms that anyone can understand. The question cannot be
> answered accurately as it stands. "The settings" is not specific enough
to
> determine what "settings" the poster is discussing. And the

misbehavior
of
> the poster's application could be due to any number of factors, as the > information given was too generic to make any kind of guess

whatsoever. So,
> making a wild guess that the problem (not identified in any way except for
> the phrase "cannot run") is due to "The settings" (not identified in any way
> whatsoever), is not logical.
>
> Yes, there are differences betwen servers and operating systems, but

that
is
> irrelevant. We have no way of knowing ANYTHING about the cause of
the > problem. In fact, we know nothing about the problem at all. If you plan
to
> become a "professional" programmer, first learn logic. Half of

programming
> is logic.
>
> Communication is the process of providing and receiving meaningful
> information. When a person asks a question, in order to get a

meaningful > response, must provide meaningful information about the problem. This is
one
> meaning of the term "Garbage in, Garbage out," which I didn't
invent. >
> I'm here to help people with problems they have programming in
ASP.Net.
In
> order to resolve this poster's problem, it is first necessary to

diagnose
> it. In order to diagnose the problem, certain information must be

provided
> (you know, like going to the Doctor, and he asks "where does it

hurt?"). So,
> in order to solve this person's immediate problem, which is poor
> communication skills, I offered help with that problem, so that,

assuming
> that the original poster took my advice, he would be able to provide the > information necessary to solve the other (unknown at this point)

problem.
By
> giving him some advice about effective communication, I hoped to help him
> solve future problems as well.
>
> Now, I've been doing this for free for about 8 years now. As a
compassionate
> person that wants to help, and a person who spends a good bit of
time > putting together detailed and explicit information for people with
probems,
> it often frustrates me when the people who need the help don't spend

half
as
> much time framing their issues in ways that enable me (and the others here)
> to help them. So I ended with a little joke, perhaps a bit sarcastic,
but
> out of frustration, not anger or malice.
>
> YOU, on the other hand, have no help to offer. Instead, you want to
publicly
> castigate me for my bedside manner. The medical community has a saying: > "First, do no harm." By attacking me publicly, you have done just that,
to
> someone who has spent countless hours helping people voluntarily.

Perhaps
> you and I would both have been better off if you had either

approached me
> privately, or just kept your mouth shut.
>
> --
> HTH,
> Kevin Spencer
> .Net Developer
> Microsoft MVP
> Neither a follower
> nor a lender be.
>
> "Coleen" <co**********@yaho.com> wrote in message
> news:uN**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > From one "Newbie" to another, I think this reply was rather
> unprofessional.
> > I admit that I don't know that much about the differences between W2k > > Professional and W2k Server operating systems; however, I do know that > there
> > ARE some differences. My husband had to re-configure our Server
operating
> > system when he removed it from being the household server (he is
the > > Director of IT - he knows what he's doing - I know enough to be
> dangerous!)
> > He had to re-install the operating system to make the one-time

Server
a
> > client on the new Server machine. So, this tells me that there ARE > > differences between Server operating systems and client operating
systems.
> > While I don't have an answer to ASP newbie's question, I do think

that > Kevin
> > was overlooking that fact that newbie asked if there ARE
> > differences...please try to be a little more courteous to those you are
> > supposed to be trying to help - we aren't here because we know it all! We
> > browse these newsgroups looking for help and advice. I appreciate the > help
> > I've been given, but I don't appreciate it when those helping
treat us as
> > though we are idiots! While we may or may not be, you don't have
be rude
> > about it!
> >
> >
> > "Kevin Spencer" <ks******@takempis.com> wrote in message
> > news:uH**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > My car ran fine yesterday on the way to work. My car cannot run

today
on
> > the
> > > Interstate. Can anyone tell me if it's the transmission?
> > >
> > > The quality of an answer is directly proportional to the quality

of the
> > > question.
> > >
> > > IOW, Garbage in, Garbage out.
> > >
> > > Are you being charged for your post by the word? Maybe you could

add
a
> > few.
> > >
> > > --
> > > HTH,
> > > Kevin Spencer
> > > .Net Developer
> > > Microsoft MVP
> > > Neither a follower
> > > nor a lender be.
> > >
> > > "ASP newbie" <ne*@new.com> wrote in message
> > > news:uO**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > I cannot run my asp.net application in w2k server.
> > > >
> > > > But the program works fine under w2k professional.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me is there any difference in the settings?
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



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