MasterPages or Web Visual Inheritance (ASP.Net 1.1)?

VR

Hi, I read about Master Pages in ASP.Net 2.0 and after implementing some
WinForms Visual Inheritance I tryed it with WebForms (let's say .aspx pages,
my MasterPage does not have a form tag itself so, cannot be called a WebForm
itself, the child pages will implement forms).
I created a Master.aspx page and removed all HTML from it, added some code
to the .aspx.vb file to add controls to my page. Then I created a Child.aspx
and changed the "Inherits System.Web.UI.Page" to "Inherits MyWeb.Master" and
everything gone really fine.

Problem: all I need as HTML/Forms/Controls/Etc need to be created by code, I
cannot use the Designer to work on the page (but, let's say that's my
problem)

Question: Is there anything I'm missing here? Is that easy like it? Is there
any internal ASP.Net design considerations that would bring me problems with
this approach?

PS: I know about the MasterPage control found in www.asp.net, I do not need
an alternative for my approach, I just want to know if this kind of design
would work without problems.
Thanks,
Victor Reboucas

Nov 18 '05 #1

Curt_C [MVP]

Are you trying this in 2.0 or in 1.0/1.1 ?
If 2.0 you need the MASTER= in the page
If 1.0/1.1 you aren't going to get the same functionality

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Hi, I read about Master Pages in ASP.Net 2.0 and after implementing some
WinForms Visual Inheritance I tryed it with WebForms (let's say .aspx
pages, my MasterPage does not have a form tag itself so, cannot be called
a WebForm itself, the child pages will implement forms).
I created a Master.aspx page and removed all HTML from it, added some code
to the .aspx.vb file to add controls to my page. Then I created a
Child.aspx and changed the "Inherits System.Web.UI.Page" to "Inherits
MyWeb.Master" and everything gone really fine.

Problem: all I need as HTML/Forms/Controls/Etc need to be created by code,
I cannot use the Designer to work on the page (but, let's say that's my
problem)

Question: Is there anything I'm missing here? Is that easy like it? Is
there any internal ASP.Net design considerations that would bring me
problems with this approach?

PS: I know about the MasterPage control found in www.asp.net, I do not
need an alternative for my approach, I just want to know if this kind of
design would work without problems.
Thanks,
Victor Reboucas

Nov 18 '05 #2

VR

As in the subject of this message, ASP.Net 1.1.

The problem is not getting the same functionality (I know these are two
different approaches), I want to know if I could face problems with this
approach (WebForms Visual Inheritance). Let's say I asked myself "since
Framework 1.0 there is Visual Inheritance for WinForms, why did not MS say
you can do the same with WebForms, is there any problem I'm missing?"

Regards,
Victor Reboucas

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:uq**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Are you trying this in 2.0 or in 1.0/1.1 ?
If 2.0 you need the MASTER= in the page
If 1.0/1.1 you aren't going to get the same functionality

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Hi, I read about Master Pages in ASP.Net 2.0 and after implementing some
WinForms Visual Inheritance I tryed it with WebForms (let's say .aspx
pages, my MasterPage does not have a form tag itself so, cannot be called
a WebForm itself, the child pages will implement forms).
I created a Master.aspx page and removed all HTML from it, added some
code to the .aspx.vb file to add controls to my page. Then I created a
Child.aspx and changed the "Inherits System.Web.UI.Page" to "Inherits
MyWeb.Master" and everything gone really fine.

Problem: all I need as HTML/Forms/Controls/Etc need to be created by
code, I cannot use the Designer to work on the page (but, let's say
that's my problem)

Question: Is there anything I'm missing here? Is that easy like it? Is
there any internal ASP.Net design considerations that would bring me
problems with this approach?

PS: I know about the MasterPage control found in www.asp.net, I do not
need an alternative for my approach, I just want to know if this kind of
design would work without problems.
Thanks,
Victor Reboucas

Nov 18 '05 #3

Curt_C [MVP]

Visual Inheritance is not there for forms in WebForms at this point. You can
get it with controls and you can work around it at code time but I do not
believe you can get design time visual inheritance in VS2002/3.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ot**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

As in the subject of this message, ASP.Net 1.1.

The problem is not getting the same functionality (I know these are two
different approaches), I want to know if I could face problems with this
approach (WebForms Visual Inheritance). Let's say I asked myself "since
Framework 1.0 there is Visual Inheritance for WinForms, why did not MS say
you can do the same with WebForms, is there any problem I'm missing?"

Regards,
Victor Reboucas

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:uq**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Are you trying this in 2.0 or in 1.0/1.1 ?
If 2.0 you need the MASTER= in the page
If 1.0/1.1 you aren't going to get the same functionality

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Hi, I read about Master Pages in ASP.Net 2.0 and after implementing some
WinForms Visual Inheritance I tryed it with WebForms (let's say .aspx
pages, my MasterPage does not have a form tag itself so, cannot be
called a WebForm itself, the child pages will implement forms).
I created a Master.aspx page and removed all HTML from it, added some
code to the .aspx.vb file to add controls to my page. Then I created a
Child.aspx and changed the "Inherits System.Web.UI.Page" to "Inherits
MyWeb.Master" and everything gone really fine.

Problem: all I need as HTML/Forms/Controls/Etc need to be created by
code, I cannot use the Designer to work on the page (but, let's say
that's my problem)

Question: Is there anything I'm missing here? Is that easy like it? Is
there any internal ASP.Net design considerations that would bring me
problems with this approach?

PS: I know about the MasterPage control found in www.asp.net, I do not
need an alternative for my approach, I just want to know if this kind of
design would work without problems.
Thanks,
Victor Reboucas

Nov 18 '05 #4

VR

Yes, I know it's not there for forms (as said in the first message *), I
used the term "WebForms visual inheritance" as a way to get the idea that
what I'm doing is the same that people do in WinForms as Visual Inheritance
and I'm not concerned in using the designer (as said in the first message
also **), so, my question is still unanswerer:

Is there any "ASP.NET INTERNAL DESING ISSUE" that could bring me problems
using this approach?

* (let's say .aspx pages, my MasterPage does not have a form tag itself so,
cannot be called a WebForm itself, the child pages will implement forms)
** Problem: all I need as HTML/Forms/Controls/Etc need to be created by
code, I cannot use the Designer to work on the page (but, let's say that's
my problem)

Regards,
Victor Reboucas
"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:uR*************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Visual Inheritance is not there for forms in WebForms at this point. You
can get it with controls and you can work around it at code time but I do
not believe you can get design time visual inheritance in VS2002/3.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ot**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

As in the subject of this message, ASP.Net 1.1.

The problem is not getting the same functionality (I know these are two
different approaches), I want to know if I could face problems with this
approach (WebForms Visual Inheritance). Let's say I asked myself "since
Framework 1.0 there is Visual Inheritance for WinForms, why did not MS
say you can do the same with WebForms, is there any problem I'm missing?"

Regards,
Victor Reboucas

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:uq**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Are you trying this in 2.0 or in 1.0/1.1 ?
If 2.0 you need the MASTER= in the page
If 1.0/1.1 you aren't going to get the same functionality

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Hi, I read about Master Pages in ASP.Net 2.0 and after implementing
some WinForms Visual Inheritance I tryed it with WebForms (let's say
.aspx pages, my MasterPage does not have a form tag itself so, cannot
be called a WebForm itself, the child pages will implement forms).
I created a Master.aspx page and removed all HTML from it, added some
code to the .aspx.vb file to add controls to my page. Then I created a
Child.aspx and changed the "Inherits System.Web.UI.Page" to "Inherits
MyWeb.Master" and everything gone really fine.

Problem: all I need as HTML/Forms/Controls/Etc need to be created by
code, I cannot use the Designer to work on the page (but, let's say
that's my problem)

Question: Is there anything I'm missing here? Is that easy like it? Is
there any internal ASP.Net design considerations that would bring me
problems with this approach?

PS: I know about the MasterPage control found in www.asp.net, I do not
need an alternative for my approach, I just want to know if this kind
of design would work without problems.
Thanks,
Victor Reboucas

Nov 18 '05 #5

Curt_C [MVP]

In short, have you tried?
You're asking about doing something quite specific to your needs and your
layout, not many are going to be able to answer a specifc answer with a "is
there something that coudl cause problems" type question. The best approach
it to try, and see if you get an error, then post it.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

Yes, I know it's not there for forms (as said in the first message *), I
used the term "WebForms visual inheritance" as a way to get the idea that
what I'm doing is the same that people do in WinForms as Visual
Inheritance and I'm not concerned in using the designer (as said in the
first message also **), so, my question is still unanswerer:

Is there any "ASP.NET INTERNAL DESING ISSUE" that could bring me problems
using this approach?

* (let's say .aspx pages, my MasterPage does not have a form tag itself
so, cannot be called a WebForm itself, the child pages will implement
forms)
** Problem: all I need as HTML/Forms/Controls/Etc need to be created by
code, I cannot use the Designer to work on the page (but, let's say that's
my problem)

Regards,
Victor Reboucas
"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:uR*************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Visual Inheritance is not there for forms in WebForms at this point. You
can get it with controls and you can work around it at code time but I do
not believe you can get design time visual inheritance in VS2002/3.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ot**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

As in the subject of this message, ASP.Net 1.1.

The problem is not getting the same functionality (I know these are two
different approaches), I want to know if I could face problems with this
approach (WebForms Visual Inheritance). Let's say I asked myself "since
Framework 1.0 there is Visual Inheritance for WinForms, why did not MS
say you can do the same with WebForms, is there any problem I'm
missing?"

Regards,
Victor Reboucas

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:uq**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Are you trying this in 2.0 or in 1.0/1.1 ?
If 2.0 you need the MASTER= in the page
If 1.0/1.1 you aren't going to get the same functionality

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi, I read about Master Pages in ASP.Net 2.0 and after implementing
> some WinForms Visual Inheritance I tryed it with WebForms (let's say
> .aspx pages, my MasterPage does not have a form tag itself so, cannot
> be called a WebForm itself, the child pages will implement forms).
> I created a Master.aspx page and removed all HTML from it, added some
> code to the .aspx.vb file to add controls to my page. Then I created a
> Child.aspx and changed the "Inherits System.Web.UI.Page" to "Inherits
> MyWeb.Master" and everything gone really fine.
>
> Problem: all I need as HTML/Forms/Controls/Etc need to be created by
> code, I cannot use the Designer to work on the page (but, let's say
> that's my problem)
>
> Question: Is there anything I'm missing here? Is that easy like it? Is
> there any internal ASP.Net design considerations that would bring me
> problems with this approach?
>
> PS: I know about the MasterPage control found in www.asp.net, I do not
> need an alternative for my approach, I just want to know if this kind
> of design would work without problems.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Victor Reboucas
>
>

Nov 18 '05 #6

VR

Please, stop sending messages asking about things I've said in the first
message:

(part of first message)

>> Hi, I read about Master Pages in ASP.Net 2.0 and after implementing
>> some WinForms Visual Inheritance I tryed it with WebForms

.... of course I've tryed, I'm not asking "if I will be able to do that" (I
already did it, ok?), all I'm asking is:

Is there any surprise I could face (Ex: internal IIS issue/memory leaks/etc)
using this kind of approach? Why does not MS recomend this kind of
Inheritance as it recomends in WinForms?

It's not particular as you are sugesting, it's all about inheriting from
System.Web.UI.Page object, no secrets, no particularities.
Regards,
Victor Reboucas

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:e$*************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... In short, have you tried?
You're asking about doing something quite specific to your needs and your
layout, not many are going to be able to answer a specifc answer with a
"is there something that coudl cause problems" type question. The best
approach it to try, and see if you get an error, then post it.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OD**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

Yes, I know it's not there for forms (as said in the first message *), I
used the term "WebForms visual inheritance" as a way to get the idea that
what I'm doing is the same that people do in WinForms as Visual
Inheritance and I'm not concerned in using the designer (as said in the
first message also **), so, my question is still unanswerer:

Is there any "ASP.NET INTERNAL DESING ISSUE" that could bring me problems
using this approach?

* (let's say .aspx pages, my MasterPage does not have a form tag itself
so, cannot be called a WebForm itself, the child pages will implement
forms)
** Problem: all I need as HTML/Forms/Controls/Etc need to be created by
code, I cannot use the Designer to work on the page (but, let's say
that's my problem)

Regards,
Victor Reboucas
"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:uR*************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Visual Inheritance is not there for forms in WebForms at this point. You
can get it with controls and you can work around it at code time but I
do not believe you can get design time visual inheritance in VS2002/3.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ot**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
As in the subject of this message, ASP.Net 1.1.

The problem is not getting the same functionality (I know these are two
different approaches), I want to know if I could face problems with
this approach (WebForms Visual Inheritance). Let's say I asked myself
"since Framework 1.0 there is Visual Inheritance for WinForms, why did
not MS say you can do the same with WebForms, is there any problem I'm
missing?"

Regards,
Victor Reboucas

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:uq**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Are you trying this in 2.0 or in 1.0/1.1 ?
> If 2.0 you need the MASTER= in the page
> If 1.0/1.1 you aren't going to get the same functionality
>
> --
> Curt Christianson
> Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
> Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
> Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
>
>
> "VR" <vc***@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Hi, I read about Master Pages in ASP.Net 2.0 and after implementing
>> some WinForms Visual Inheritance I tryed it with WebForms (let's say
>> .aspx pages, my MasterPage does not have a form tag itself so, cannot
>> be called a WebForm itself, the child pages will implement forms).
>> I created a Master.aspx page and removed all HTML from it, added some
>> code to the .aspx.vb file to add controls to my page. Then I created
>> a Child.aspx and changed the "Inherits System.Web.UI.Page" to
>> "Inherits MyWeb.Master" and everything gone really fine.
>>
>> Problem: all I need as HTML/Forms/Controls/Etc need to be created by
>> code, I cannot use the Designer to work on the page (but, let's say
>> that's my problem)
>>
>> Question: Is there anything I'm missing here? Is that easy like it?
>> Is there any internal ASP.Net design considerations that would bring
>> me problems with this approach?
>>
>> PS: I know about the MasterPage control found in www.asp.net, I do
>> not need an alternative for my approach, I just want to know if this
>> kind of design would work without problems.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Victor Reboucas
>>
>>
>
>

Nov 18 '05 #7