ASP.NET and Linux

[Mark Goldin]

Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Thanks

[Curt_C [MVP]]

not really. ASP.NET is designed to run on the WinOS platform since it
requires the .NET framework and IIS.
There may be some "workaround" but it will be a kludge at best.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O7**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Thanks

[Scott Allen]

Hi Mark:

The short answers are:

Yes, you can run ASP.NET on Linux with Mono (http://www.go-mono.com).
At least a couple popular open source ASP.NET applications (dasBlog,
FlexWiki) run on Linux, with a few tweaks.

Yes, there is a SQL Server provider available
(http://www.go-mono.com/sqlclient.html).

The longer answer would depend on exactly what your application does.
If your application writes to the registry or uses COM+ transactions
then you'll need to change some code. Even little things (like having
a case sensitive file system) might trip up the code.

--
Scott
http://www.OdeToCode.com

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 18:20:14 -0500, "Mark Goldin"
<ma********@comcast.net> wrote:

Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Thanks

[Lucas Tam]

"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Yup, check out the Mono project.

--
Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/

[msnews.microsoft.com]

Try posting this question in a Linux forum, and tell us what they say. lol!

"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O7**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Thanks

[Mark Goldin]

Will components like Infragistics work?

"Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .

"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Yup, check out the Mono project.

--
Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/

[Curt_C [MVP]]

doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely

--
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Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Will components like Infragistics work?

"Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .

"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Yup, check out the Mono project.

--
Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/

[Mark Goldin]

But is it possible to build a single distributable assembly that will
include all code, so I won't need to
distribute any additional components?

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:#q**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Will components like Infragistics work?

"Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .

"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
> Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Yup, check out the Mono project.

--
Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/

[Lau Lei Cheong]

The page shown they can:
http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html

I guess they compile the ASP.NET pages as executables and run them
in way similar to CGI pages.

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Will components like Infragistics work?

"Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .

"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436
@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:

> Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
> Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Yup, check out the Mono project.

--
Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/

[Lau Lei Cheong]

I've completed installation on a RedHat 9 box for half day.(started from
11:30 and finished at 15:15)

Although it does require some tricks to finish the installation, the box now
runs my web application without problem(not fully tested).

The mono packages needs wine to install so I think that's why it can use
DLLs.

"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:eb**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

The page shown they can:
http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html

I guess they compile the ASP.NET pages as executables and run them
in way similar to CGI pages.

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Will components like Infragistics work?

"Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .
> "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436 > @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
>
> > Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
> > Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?
>
> Yup, check out the Mono project.
>
> --
> Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
> Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
> http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/

[Marc Jennings]

If you are running a Linux box, use a good scripting langauge like
PHP.

(Let the flames commence! ;) )

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:18:56 -0400, "msnews.microsoft.com"
<ma*****@portvista.com> wrote:

Try posting this question in a Linux forum, and tell us what they say. lol!

"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O7**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Thanks

[Curt_C [MVP]]

And watch the legality. May of these are Windows apps, and running them with
Wine is illegal.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> wrote in message
news:uB**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

I've completed installation on a RedHat 9 box for half day.(started from
11:30 and finished at 15:15)

Although it does require some tricks to finish the installation, the box now runs my web application without problem(not fully tested).

The mono packages needs wine to install so I think that's why it can use
DLLs.

"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:eb**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

The page shown they can:
http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html

I guess they compile the ASP.NET pages as executables and run them
in way similar to CGI pages.

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Will components like Infragistics work?
>
> "Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .
> > "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436 > > @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> >
> > > Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
> > > Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?
> >
> > Yup, check out the Mono project.
> >
> > --
> > Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
> > Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
> > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
>
>

[Curt_C [MVP]]

Why do you think it's a flame issue?
If you are running a *nix OS I'd probably run PHP as well, the thing is
though that for WinOS one of your more powerfull options is the ASP.NET
platform. Simply a matter of what's available and what your needs are.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Marc Jennings" <marc.nospam..je******@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:u7********************************@4ax.com...

If you are running a Linux box, use a good scripting langauge like
PHP.

(Let the flames commence! ;) )

On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:18:56 -0400, "msnews.microsoft.com"
<ma*****@portvista.com> wrote:

Try posting this question in a Linux forum, and tell us what they say. lol!
"Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:O7**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...

Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?

Thanks

[Marc Jennings]

I just know that there are plenty of people out there who feel very
strongly about the issue. I have come from a PHP background (only
started in C# because I *had* to), and in my initial investigations of
the language, I found a fair bit or zealotry (on both sides)

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:22:31 -0500, "Curt_C [MVP]"
<software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote:

Why do you think it's a flame issue?
If you are running a *nix OS I'd probably run PHP as well, the thing is
though that for WinOS one of your more powerfull options is the ASP.NET
platform. Simply a matter of what's available and what your needs are.

[Curt_C [MVP]]

Indeed that there is. It's like that with most things I've found, especially
when you have groups that tend to be younger and more intelligent the your
"joe schmoe" on the street which most developers are. Add in the male ego
(which most are male) and it's especially bad. I should write a book on
that.........

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Marc Jennings" <marc.nospam..je******@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dh********************************@4ax.com...

I just know that there are plenty of people out there who feel very
strongly about the issue. I have come from a PHP background (only
started in C# because I *had* to), and in my initial investigations of
the language, I found a fair bit or zealotry (on both sides)

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:22:31 -0500, "Curt_C [MVP]"
<software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote:

Why do you think it's a flame issue?
If you are running a *nix OS I'd probably run PHP as well, the thing is
though that for WinOS one of your more powerfull options is the ASP.NET
platform. Simply a matter of what's available and what your needs are.

[|grb at ihug.co.nz|]

Curt,

Are you saying that running a Windows app on WINE is illegal?
Can you please give an example.

Thank you

Guy
"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message news:<O9**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>...

And watch the legality. May of these are Windows apps, and running them with
Wine is illegal.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> wrote in message
news:uB**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

I've completed installation on a RedHat 9 box for half day.(started from
11:30 and finished at 15:15)

Although it does require some tricks to finish the installation, the box

now

runs my web application without problem(not fully tested).

The mono packages needs wine to install so I think that's why it can use
DLLs.

"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:eb**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

The page shown they can:
http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html

I guess they compile the ASP.NET pages as executables and run them
in way similar to CGI pages.

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...
> doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely
>
> --
> Curt Christianson
> Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
> Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
> Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
>
>
> "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Will components like Infragistics work?
> >
> > "Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .
> > > "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436 > > > @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> > >
> > > > Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
> > > > Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?
> > >
> > > Yup, check out the Mono project.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
> > > Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
> > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
> >
> >
>
>

[Lau Lei Cheong]

I've spent some time with licence agreement for installing .NET runtimes,
seems that it doesn't prevent people from running it on an emulator.

And if there's such terms that applications on one platform must not run on
another platform using emulators, Microsoft should not sell "Virtual PC" at
all.

Also, "WINE"(WINdows Emulator) have been around for some times, majorly
solving problem on running office applications like "MS Office" on Linux.
Should that be any problem, Micosoft should have stopped them long ago, or
at least have some announcement on the issue.

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:O9**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

And watch the legality. May of these are Windows apps, and running them with Wine is illegal.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> wrote in message
news:uB**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

I've completed installation on a RedHat 9 box for half day.(started from
11:30 and finished at 15:15)

Although it does require some tricks to finish the installation, the box

now

runs my web application without problem(not fully tested).

The mono packages needs wine to install so I think that's why it can use
DLLs.

"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:eb**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

The page shown they can:
http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html

I guess they compile the ASP.NET pages as executables and run them
in way similar to CGI pages.

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...
> doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely
>
> --
> Curt Christianson
> Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
> Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
> Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
>
>
> "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Will components like Infragistics work?
> >
> > "Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .
> > > "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in

news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436

> > > @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> > >
> > > > Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
> > > > Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?
> > >
> > > Yup, check out the Mono project.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
> > > Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
> > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
> >
> >
>
>

[Lau Lei Cheong]

I'm aware that my former post on report on using "mono" on Linux has be
deleted. While I still respect the authority of system admins to delete
messages they see inappropiate, I don't think there's anything insuitable on
"reporting the usability of a tool that allow ASP .NET application on a
platform other than Windows" on an "ASP.NET" newsgroup. And "mono" CAN be
run on Windows equipped with Apache Web Server, just for your information.

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:O9**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

And watch the legality. May of these are Windows apps, and running them with Wine is illegal.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> wrote in message
news:uB**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

I've completed installation on a RedHat 9 box for half day.(started from
11:30 and finished at 15:15)

Although it does require some tricks to finish the installation, the box

now

runs my web application without problem(not fully tested).

The mono packages needs wine to install so I think that's why it can use
DLLs.

"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:eb**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

The page shown they can:
http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html

I guess they compile the ASP.NET pages as executables and run them
in way similar to CGI pages.

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...
> doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely
>
> --
> Curt Christianson
> Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
> Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
> Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
>
>
> "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Will components like Infragistics work?
> >
> > "Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .
> > > "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in

news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436

> > > @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> > >
> > > > Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
> > > > Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?
> > >
> > > Yup, check out the Mono project.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
> > > Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
> > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
> >
> >
>
>

[Curt_C [MVP]]

I do believe so yes. I dont have the exact link but do some googling. It was
a big issue a year or two ago. Bascially what it boils down to is that some
products, like MS ones, were expressly written to be run on the WinOS
platform only. The license agreement you click "agree" to when installing
may even mention this. Often it's not for limiting the users options but for
solidifying the test base.
If I write a windows app or component I expect it to be run on a WinOS. Just
becuse a user finds some way to tweak something else does not mean it's ok
to use it. To say the least it negates any service agreement and/or
technical support options.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"|grb at ihug.co.nz|" <gu*********@techcertain.com> wrote in message
news:71**************************@posting.google.c om...

Curt,

Are you saying that running a Windows app on WINE is illegal?
Can you please give an example.

Thank you

Guy
"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message

news:<O9**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>...

And watch the legality. May of these are Windows apps, and running them with Wine is illegal.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> wrote in message
news:uB**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

I've completed installation on a RedHat 9 box for half day.(started from 11:30 and finished at 15:15)

Although it does require some tricks to finish the installation, the box

now

runs my web application without problem(not fully tested).

The mono packages needs wine to install so I think that's why it can

use DLLs.

"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:eb**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...
> The page shown they can:
> http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html
>
> I guess they compile the ASP.NET pages as executables and run them
> in way similar to CGI pages.
>
> "Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
> news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...
> > doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely
> >
> > --
> > Curt Christianson
> > Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
> > Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
> > Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
> >
> >
> > "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > Will components like Infragistics work?
> > >
> > > "Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .
> > > > "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in

news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436

> > > > @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> > > >
> > > > > Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
> > > > > Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?
> > > >
> > > > Yup, check out the Mono project.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
> > > > Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when replying.
> > > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[msnews.microsoft.com]

Most people who use PHP are the younger crowd who got into PHP on their own,
since it's open source and cheap I guess. They get into a real world and us
"real programmers" see them writing in it and we're like what the hell is
this junk!? ;) Anyway, my point was why would you use .NET on Linux.
Obviously, portability reasons, but you lose a lot when you use a platform
that doesn't fully support your app.

-Max

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
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Indeed that there is. It's like that with most things I've found, especially when you have groups that tend to be younger and more intelligent the your
"joe schmoe" on the street which most developers are. Add in the male ego
(which most are male) and it's especially bad. I should write a book on
that.........

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Marc Jennings" <marc.nospam..je******@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I just know that there are plenty of people out there who feel very
strongly about the issue. I have come from a PHP background (only
started in C# because I *had* to), and in my initial investigations of
the language, I found a fair bit or zealotry (on both sides)

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:22:31 -0500, "Curt_C [MVP]"
<software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote:

Why do you think it's a flame issue?
If you are running a *nix OS I'd probably run PHP as well, the thing is
though that for WinOS one of your more powerfull options is the ASP.NET
platform. Simply a matter of what's available and what your needs are.

[Curt_C [MVP]]

Yup.... It's like the old addage...
"Taste's like Chicken".... well then eat chicken if you want chicken!

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"msnews.microsoft.com" <no****@notvalid.com> wrote in message
news:ex**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...

Most people who use PHP are the younger crowd who got into PHP on their own, since it's open source and cheap I guess. They get into a real world and us "real programmers" see them writing in it and we're like what the hell is
this junk!? ;) Anyway, my point was why would you use .NET on Linux.
Obviously, portability reasons, but you lose a lot when you use a platform
that doesn't fully support your app.

-Max

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

Indeed that there is. It's like that with most things I've found,

especially

when you have groups that tend to be younger and more intelligent the your "joe schmoe" on the street which most developers are. Add in the male ego (which most are male) and it's especially bad. I should write a book on
that.........

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Marc Jennings" <marc.nospam..je******@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dh********************************@4ax.com...

I just know that there are plenty of people out there who feel very
strongly about the issue. I have come from a PHP background (only
started in C# because I *had* to), and in my initial investigations of
the language, I found a fair bit or zealotry (on both sides)

On Tue, 27 Jul 2004 15:22:31 -0500, "Curt_C [MVP]"
<software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote:

>Why do you think it's a flame issue?
>If you are running a *nix OS I'd probably run PHP as well, the thing is >though that for WinOS one of your more powerfull options is the ASP.NET >platform. Simply a matter of what's available and what your needs are.

[darrel]

> Most people who use PHP are the younger crowd who got into PHP on their
own,

since it's open source and cheap I guess.
As well as being a very capable scripting language with a plethora of
libraries out there and a wide array of p2p support options.
Anyway, my point was why would you use .NET on Linux.

duh...so you don't have to deal with a windows server! ;o)

-Darrel

[Lau Lei Cheong]

I still have concern about Virtual PC.

As Microsoft is shipping Virtual PC for Mac, I suppose it's LEGAL for
running Windows application on an emulator. Or you're saying that Microsoft
is selling tool for people to use some other products illegally?

I agree that there will not be any official support for running these
products on an emulator, but saying that it's illegal to do so doesn't seems
logical to me. (Perhaps there's some software explicitly states that you
have to run it on Windows, but I can't form effective query to find them on
search engines)

Here's some extra maybe relevent information: While WINE is developed to
allow Windows programs to run on *nix platform, Microsoft is working on
another project that would allow *nix application to run on Longhorn and
later releases of Windows.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

I do believe so yes. I dont have the exact link but do some googling. It was a big issue a year or two ago. Bascially what it boils down to is that some products, like MS ones, were expressly written to be run on the WinOS
platform only. The license agreement you click "agree" to when installing
may even mention this. Often it's not for limiting the users options but for solidifying the test base.
If I write a windows app or component I expect it to be run on a WinOS. Just becuse a user finds some way to tweak something else does not mean it's ok
to use it. To say the least it negates any service agreement and/or
technical support options.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"|grb at ihug.co.nz|" <gu*********@techcertain.com> wrote in message
news:71**************************@posting.google.c om...

Curt,

Are you saying that running a Windows app on WINE is illegal?
Can you please give an example.

Thank you

Guy
"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message news:<O9**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>...

And watch the legality. May of these are Windows apps, and running them with

Wine is illegal.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> wrote in message
news:uB**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> I've completed installation on a RedHat 9 box for half day.(started from > 11:30 and finished at 15:15)
>
> Although it does require some tricks to finish the installation, the box now
> runs my web application without problem(not fully tested).
>
> The mono packages needs wine to install so I think that's why it can use > DLLs.
>
> "Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> ¦b¶l¥ó
> news:eb**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...
> > The page shown they can:
> > http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html
> >
> > I guess they compile the ASP.NET pages as executables and run them
> > in way similar to CGI pages.
> >
> > "Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
> > news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...
> > > doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely
> > >
> > > --
> > > Curt Christianson
> > > Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
> > > Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
> > > Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > Will components like Infragistics work?
> > > >
> > > > "Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .
> > > > > "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in
news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436
> > > > > @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
> > > > > > Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?
> > > > >
> > > > > Yup, check out the Mono project.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
> > > > > Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when

replying. > > > > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Curt_C [MVP]]

VPC doesn't include a license for the OS, you still gotta buy that. Then you
do have Windows running, so in essence it should be fine. Personally VPC is
only something I use to test though, not for production usage.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> wrote in message
news:Oi**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

I still have concern about Virtual PC.

As Microsoft is shipping Virtual PC for Mac, I suppose it's LEGAL for
running Windows application on an emulator. Or you're saying that Microsoft is selling tool for people to use some other products illegally?

I agree that there will not be any official support for running these
products on an emulator, but saying that it's illegal to do so doesn't seems logical to me. (Perhaps there's some software explicitly states that you
have to run it on Windows, but I can't form effective query to find them on search engines)

Here's some extra maybe relevent information: While WINE is developed to
allow Windows programs to run on *nix platform, Microsoft is working on
another project that would allow *nix application to run on Longhorn and
later releases of Windows.

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/sfu/

"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
news:%2****************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...

I do believe so yes. I dont have the exact link but do some googling. It

was

a big issue a year or two ago. Bascially what it boils down to is that

some

products, like MS ones, were expressly written to be run on the WinOS
platform only. The license agreement you click "agree" to when installing

may even mention this. Often it's not for limiting the users options but

for

solidifying the test base.
If I write a windows app or component I expect it to be run on a WinOS.

Just

becuse a user finds some way to tweak something else does not mean it's ok to use it. To say the least it negates any service agreement and/or
technical support options.

--
Curt Christianson
Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
"|grb at ihug.co.nz|" <gu*********@techcertain.com> wrote in message
news:71**************************@posting.google.c om...

Curt,

Are you saying that running a Windows app on WINE is illegal?
Can you please give an example.

Thank you

Guy
"Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> wrote in message

news:<O9**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>...

> And watch the legality. May of these are Windows apps, and running them

with

> Wine is illegal.
>
> --
> Curt Christianson
> Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
> Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
> Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
>
>
> "Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> wrote in message
> news:uB**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > I've completed installation on a RedHat 9 box for half day.(started from

> > 11:30 and finished at 15:15)
> >
> > Although it does require some tricks to finish the installation,

the box

> now
> > runs my web application without problem(not fully tested).
> >
> > The mono packages needs wine to install so I think that's why it

can use

> > DLLs.
> >
> > "Lau Lei Cheong" <le****@yehoo.com.hk> ¦b¶l¥ó
> > news:eb**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...
> > > The page shown they can:
> > > http://www.go-mono.com/asp-net.html
> > >
> > > I guess they compile the ASP.NET pages as executables and run

them > > > in way similar to CGI pages.
> > >
> > > "Curt_C [MVP]" <software_AT_darkfalz.com> ¦b¶l¥ó
> > > news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl ¤¤¼¶¼g...
> > > > doubtfull.... they are Windows based DLL's so it's very unlikely > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Curt Christianson
> > > > Owner/Lead Developer, DF-Software
> > > > Site: http://www.Darkfalz.com
> > > > Blog: http://blog.Darkfalz.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:OW**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Will components like Infragistics work?
> > > > >
> > > > > "Lucas Tam" <RE********@rogers.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:Xn***************************@140.99.99.130.. .
> > > > > > "Mark Goldin" <ma********@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:O72Tdc2cEHA.2436
> > > > > > @TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can I run my aspx pages from Linux box?
> > > > > > > Will these pages be able to connect to SQL server?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yup, check out the Mono project.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Lucas Tam (RE********@rogers.com)
> > > > > > Please delete "REMOVE" from the e-mail address when

replying. > > > > > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/coolspot18/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >

[Derek Davidson]

Curt_C [MVP] wrote:

VPC doesn't include a license for the OS, you still gotta buy that.

True enough. Thank heavens for my MSDN Universal subscription <g>.

--
Derek Davidson
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