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I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.
Nov 18 '05 #1
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studio is the way to go. webmatrix is for those on a budget.

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Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
"Rusty Owens" <ru*********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.

Nov 18 '05 #2

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Rusty,

Although Alvin recommended Visual Studio, here's my two cents. I've found
Visual Studio to be great for everything but webforms. It's HTML handling is
terrible and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model (which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it no
longer required in VS2005). I use Dreamweaver, and the "Code-Aside" model
(<script runat=server src=myPage.aspx.vb>). You'll find VS.NET easier to
use, but I think you'll have a much better end product by going wih
something that handles HTML much better and doesn't use the Inheritance
code-behind.

-- Alex Papadimoulis

,
"Rusty Owens" <ru*********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:48**************************@posting.google.c om...
I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.

Nov 18 '05 #3

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WebMatrix is free, Visual Studio.NET is definitely not free.
You get what you pay for.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Rusty Owens" <ru*********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:48**************************@posting.google.c om...
I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.

Nov 18 '05 #4

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> and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model (which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it no
longer required in VS2005).
What's your source for this?

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
"Alex Papadimoulis" <al***@papadimoulis.com> wrote in message
news:e%****************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... Rusty,

Although Alvin recommended Visual Studio, here's my two cents. I've found
Visual Studio to be great for everything but webforms. It's HTML handling
is
terrible and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model
(which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it no
longer required in VS2005). I use Dreamweaver, and the "Code-Aside" model
(<script runat=server src=myPage.aspx.vb>). You'll find VS.NET easier to
use, but I think you'll have a much better end product by going wih
something that handles HTML much better and doesn't use the Inheritance
code-behind.

-- Alex Papadimoulis

,
"Rusty Owens" <ru*********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:48**************************@posting.google.c om...
I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.


Nov 18 '05 #5

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Code behind is no longer required; VS2005 has good support for using a
single file for your HTML source and server code.
Inheritance is still used in VS2005, although much of the boilerplate code
is now hidden behind the scenes.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message
news:eM**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model (which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it no
longer required in VS2005).


What's your source for this?

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
"Alex Papadimoulis" <al***@papadimoulis.com> wrote in message
news:e%****************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Rusty,

Although Alvin recommended Visual Studio, here's my two cents. I've found Visual Studio to be great for everything but webforms. It's HTML handling is
terrible and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model
(which,
I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it no
longer required in VS2005). I use Dreamweaver, and the "Code-Aside" model (<script runat=server src=myPage.aspx.vb>). You'll find VS.NET easier to
use, but I think you'll have a much better end product by going wih
something that handles HTML much better and doesn't use the Inheritance
code-behind.

-- Alex Papadimoulis

,
"Rusty Owens" <ru*********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:48**************************@posting.google.c om...
I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.



Nov 18 '05 #6

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how is that different from today when everything can fit into the aspx page.
I'm missing something i'm sure

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
"Steve C. Orr [MVP, MCSD]" <St***@Orr.net> wrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Code behind is no longer required; VS2005 has good support for using a
single file for your HTML source and server code.
Inheritance is still used in VS2005, although much of the boilerplate code
is now hidden behind the scenes.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message
news:eM**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model (which,
> I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it
> no
> longer required in VS2005).


What's your source for this?

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
"Alex Papadimoulis" <al***@papadimoulis.com> wrote in message
news:e%****************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Rusty,
>
> Although Alvin recommended Visual Studio, here's my two cents. I've found > Visual Studio to be great for everything but webforms. It's HTML handling > is
> terrible and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model
> (which,
> I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it
> no
> longer required in VS2005). I use Dreamweaver, and the "Code-Aside" model > (<script runat=server src=myPage.aspx.vb>). You'll find VS.NET easier
> to
> use, but I think you'll have a much better end product by going wih
> something that handles HTML much better and doesn't use the Inheritance
> code-behind.
>
> -- Alex Papadimoulis
>
> ,
> "Rusty Owens" <ru*********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:48**************************@posting.google.c om...
>> I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
>> for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
>> asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
>> wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
>> they also have Visual Studio.
>
>



Nov 18 '05 #7

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Currently VS.NET pretty much forces you to use a code behind. If you want
to do single page, it's not easy or supported well like it is in WebMatrix.
In VS.NET 2005 this is fully supported with full intellisense.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message
news:O3**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
how is that different from today when everything can fit into the aspx page. I'm missing something i'm sure

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
"Steve C. Orr [MVP, MCSD]" <St***@Orr.net> wrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Code behind is no longer required; VS2005 has good support for using a
single file for your HTML source and server code.
Inheritance is still used in VS2005, although much of the boilerplate code is now hidden behind the scenes.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message
news:eM**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model (which,
> I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it
> no
> longer required in VS2005).

What's your source for this?

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
"Alex Papadimoulis" <al***@papadimoulis.com> wrote in message
news:e%****************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> Rusty,
>
> Although Alvin recommended Visual Studio, here's my two cents. I've

found
> Visual Studio to be great for everything but webforms. It's HTML

handling
> is
> terrible and you're forced to use the Inheritance code behind model
> (which,
> I've thought was a bad choice from day one, and am thrilled to see it
> no
> longer required in VS2005). I use Dreamweaver, and the "Code-Aside"

model
> (<script runat=server src=myPage.aspx.vb>). You'll find VS.NET easier
> to
> use, but I think you'll have a much better end product by going wih
> something that handles HTML much better and doesn't use the Inheritance > code-behind.
>
> -- Alex Papadimoulis
>
> ,
> "Rusty Owens" <ru*********@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:48**************************@posting.google.c om...
>> I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion >> for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for >> asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
>> wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
>> they also have Visual Studio.
>
>



Nov 18 '05 #8

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1. Code behind has never been required.
2. Inheritance is not used for ASP.NET classes anymore, rather partial
classes, which introduces the idea of a code-beside model.

--
Matt Berther
http://www.mattberther.com
Steve C. Orr [MVP, MCSD] wrote:
Code behind is no longer required; VS2005 has good support for using a
single file for your HTML source and server code.
Inheritance is still used in VS2005, although much of the boilerplate code
is now hidden behind the scenes.

Nov 18 '05 #9

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You're correct that code behind has never been required, but it is difficult
to do the single file method in VS.NET.

I believe you're wrong about inheritance not being needed in ASP.NET classes
anymore. Underneath it all, your page is still inheriting from the Page
class.

--
I hope this helps,
Steve C. Orr, MCSD, MVP
http://Steve.Orr.net
"Matt Berther" <mb******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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1. Code behind has never been required.
2. Inheritance is not used for ASP.NET classes anymore, rather partial
classes, which introduces the idea of a code-beside model.

--
Matt Berther
http://www.mattberther.com
Steve C. Orr [MVP, MCSD] wrote:
Code behind is no longer required; VS2005 has good support for using a
single file for your HTML source and server code.
Inheritance is still used in VS2005, although much of the boilerplate code is now hidden behind the scenes.

Nov 18 '05 #10

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Yes, you are right that it still inherits from Page. I thought your
statement was directed at the fact that your .ASPX is a subclass of your
code-behind class.

--
Matt Berther
http://www.mattberther.com

Steve C. Orr [MVP, MCSD] wrote:
You're correct that code behind has never been required, but it is difficult
to do the single file method in VS.NET.

I believe you're wrong about inheritance not being needed in ASP.NET classes
anymore. Underneath it all, your page is still inheriting from the Page
class.

Nov 18 '05 #11

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Quite happy using Notepad. Its not fast, and its not particularly clever (if at all)

I do have VS, but dont use it

ru*********@hotmail.com (Rusty Owens) wrote in message news:<48**************************@posting.google. com>...
I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.

Nov 18 '05 #12

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why don't you use visual studio? Don't get defensive. This is a genuine
question. I'd like to know what are the main reasons for sticking with
notepad over the benefits of studio.

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
"Samuel Hon" <no*****@samuelhon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c8**************************@posting.google.c om...
Quite happy using Notepad. Its not fast, and its not particularly clever
(if at all)

I do have VS, but dont use it

ru*********@hotmail.com (Rusty Owens) wrote in message
news:<48**************************@posting.google. com>...
I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.

Nov 18 '05 #13

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Hi Alvin

I started using VS when I was learning .NET and wrote a few initial
web projects in it. I should mention that I normally use .NET for web
apps and VB6 for desktop apps.

The main reason I use Notepad is because I'm not doing project based
apps. I've built an assembly which does most of the work. Most of the
webpages are relatively simple but the few which req a built more
substance have a simple codebehind page (using src).

The main thing I miss about VS is the Intellitype. Its a pain having
to find which assembly a class belongs to eg PagedDataSource.

Sam

"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <vapor at steaming post office> wrote in message news:<Op**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>...
why don't you use visual studio? Don't get defensive. This is a genuine
question. I'd like to know what are the main reasons for sticking with
notepad over the benefits of studio.

--
Regards,
Alvin Bruney
[ASP.NET MVP http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx]
Got tidbits? Get it here... http://tinyurl.com/27cok
"Samuel Hon" <no*****@samuelhon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:c8**************************@posting.google.c om...
Quite happy using Notepad. Its not fast, and its not particularly clever
(if at all)

I do have VS, but dont use it

ru*********@hotmail.com (Rusty Owens) wrote in message
news:<48**************************@posting.google. com>...
I am new to .NET. I have been doing web development using ColdFusion
for 5 years. I am trying to determine if there is a standard IDE for
asp.net. I have downloaded Webmatrix from Microsoft but I am
wondering if it is more of a project than an accepted standard since
they also have Visual Studio.

Nov 18 '05 #14

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