web app - IIS and SQL on different machines

[Dan Walls]

Hi,

I am deploying an ASP.Net web app into the following scenario:

Internet --> Firewall --> WebServer (IIS) --> [firewall?] --> [database
server]

However I am not sure what sort of authentication options are available to
me in gettingthe application to talk to the SQL server.

How do I talk between the web app and the database server - if TCP/IP then
what mode of authentication do I use? What would a typical connection string
look like?

Are there any references where I can study up on this ? I couldn't find
anything even though I spent half the day looking - mind you it helps to
know what you're looking for.

Thanks very much if you can help me,
Dan.

[Keith Kratochvil]

You will probably need to use SQL Server authentication. Check out www.connectionstrings.com for examples of connection strings that you can use.

--
Keith
"Dan Walls" <wa****@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:yJ*****************@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Hi,

I am deploying an ASP.Net web app into the following scenario:

Internet --> Firewall --> WebServer (IIS) --> [firewall?] --> [database
server]

However I am not sure what sort of authentication options are available to
me in gettingthe application to talk to the SQL server.

How do I talk between the web app and the database server - if TCP/IP then
what mode of authentication do I use? What would a typical connection string
look like?

Are there any references where I can study up on this ? I couldn't find
anything even though I spent half the day looking - mind you it helps to
know what you're looking for.

Thanks very much if you can help me,
Dan.

[Kevin Spencer]

A SQLServer is much like a web server, other than the TCP/IP port it listens
to for requests. The Connection is defined via the Connection String, which
contains a number of parameter values that indicate how the database should
be connected to. It includes such things as the IP address/domain
name/machine name of the SQL Server machine (which one depends upon your
network configuration, which was a bit sketchy), the User Name and Password
you want to connect using, the database to use, and other optional elements.
A good reference for Connection Strings is
http://www.connectionstrings.com/.

You can use Either SQL Server authentication or Windows Authentication.
Which one you use depends upon how the SQL Server is configured. You should
ask your DBA about that.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.

"Dan Walls" <wa****@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yJ*****************@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Hi,

I am deploying an ASP.Net web app into the following scenario:

Internet --> Firewall --> WebServer (IIS) --> [firewall?] --> [database
server]

However I am not sure what sort of authentication options are available to
me in gettingthe application to talk to the SQL server.

How do I talk between the web app and the database server - if TCP/IP then
what mode of authentication do I use? What would a typical connection string look like?

Are there any references where I can study up on this ? I couldn't find
anything even though I spent half the day looking - mind you it helps to
know what you're looking for.

Thanks very much if you can help me,
Dan.

[Dan Walls]

Thanks Kevin,

unfortunately I am also the DBA :-). I have the freedom to install and
configure the network as I see fit, so I will configure the network in the
way the provides the best possible security. That is why I am looking at
adding another layer and putting the SQL server on a different machine to
IIS.

It's my understanding that if I communicate via TCP/IP between IIS server
and SQL Server machines then I can only use SQL authentication and NOT
Windows authentication. This is because Windows authentication relies on the
user being recognised by the OS and a tcp 1433 connection would go straight
to the SQL server.

Now - is it possible to use windows networking between the two machines -
and that way I could log in using the IIS_MACHINE/ASPNET user account. This
user account would have to be present on the SQL machine would it not? Would
this work if I gave it the same usernam and password - are there any
inherent security risks with this approach?

Thanks for the connectionstrings.com. That's a good reference. Straight to
the favourites.

Dan.

"Kevin Spencer" <ke***@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:uP**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

A SQLServer is much like a web server, other than the TCP/IP port it listens to for requests. The Connection is defined via the Connection String, which contains a number of parameter values that indicate how the database should be connected to. It includes such things as the IP address/domain
name/machine name of the SQL Server machine (which one depends upon your
network configuration, which was a bit sketchy), the User Name and Password you want to connect using, the database to use, and other optional elements. A good reference for Connection Strings is
http://www.connectionstrings.com/.

You can use Either SQL Server authentication or Windows Authentication.
Which one you use depends upon how the SQL Server is configured. You should ask your DBA about that.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.

"Dan Walls" <wa****@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yJ*****************@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Hi,

I am deploying an ASP.Net web app into the following scenario:

Internet --> Firewall --> WebServer (IIS) --> [firewall?] --> [database
server]

However I am not sure what sort of authentication options are available to me in gettingthe application to talk to the SQL server.

How do I talk between the web app and the database server - if TCP/IP then what mode of authentication do I use? What would a typical connection

string

look like?

Are there any references where I can study up on this ? I couldn't find
anything even though I spent half the day looking - mind you it helps to
know what you're looking for.

Thanks very much if you can help me,
Dan.

[Kevin Spencer]

> Now - is it possible to use windows networking between the two machines -

and that way I could log in using the IIS_MACHINE/ASPNET user account. This user account would have to be present on the SQL machine would it not? Would this work if I gave it the same usernam and password - are there any
inherent security risks with this approach?
Actually, you can use Windows Authentication as long as the 2 machines are
on the same Domain, using Active Directory accounts. In any case, as long as
the 2 machines are on the same LAN, and behind the same Firewall (configured
correctly), you shouldn't have any security problems using either method. If
you find it easier to work with SQL Server authentication, by all means, use
that.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.

"Dan Walls" <wa****@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:zy******************@news-server.bigpond.net.au... Thanks Kevin,

unfortunately I am also the DBA :-). I have the freedom to install and
configure the network as I see fit, so I will configure the network in the
way the provides the best possible security. That is why I am looking at
adding another layer and putting the SQL server on a different machine to
IIS.

It's my understanding that if I communicate via TCP/IP between IIS server
and SQL Server machines then I can only use SQL authentication and NOT
Windows authentication. This is because Windows authentication relies on the user being recognised by the OS and a tcp 1433 connection would go straight to the SQL server.

Now - is it possible to use windows networking between the two machines -
and that way I could log in using the IIS_MACHINE/ASPNET user account. This user account would have to be present on the SQL machine would it not? Would this work if I gave it the same usernam and password - are there any
inherent security risks with this approach?

Thanks for the connectionstrings.com. That's a good reference. Straight to
the favourites.

Dan.

"Kevin Spencer" <ke***@takempis.com> wrote in message
news:uP**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

A SQLServer is much like a web server, other than the TCP/IP port it listens

to for requests. The Connection is defined via the Connection String,

which

contains a number of parameter values that indicate how the database

should

be connected to. It includes such things as the IP address/domain
name/machine name of the SQL Server machine (which one depends upon your
network configuration, which was a bit sketchy), the User Name and

Password

you want to connect using, the database to use, and other optional

elements.

A good reference for Connection Strings is
http://www.connectionstrings.com/.

You can use Either SQL Server authentication or Windows Authentication.
Which one you use depends upon how the SQL Server is configured. You

should

ask your DBA about that.

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
.Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.

"Dan Walls" <wa****@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yJ*****************@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

Hi,

I am deploying an ASP.Net web app into the following scenario:

Internet --> Firewall --> WebServer (IIS) --> [firewall?] --> [database server]

However I am not sure what sort of authentication options are available to

me in gettingthe application to talk to the SQL server.

How do I talk between the web app and the database server - if TCP/IP then what mode of authentication do I use? What would a typical connection

string

look like?

Are there any references where I can study up on this ? I couldn't

find anything even though I spent half the day looking - mind you it helps to know what you're looking for.

Thanks very much if you can help me,
Dan.