frustrated situation

[Ann]

I'm in a very frustrated situation now regarding to use
jsp or asp.net.

I'm a VBA programmer. Some of our web pages related with
databases were setup in kind of old way , that is, in
Access modules, using DAO to generate html, also some
reports embedded with html code. All the html codes need
to be manually written.

I'm quite comfortable with ADO and ASp, So I would like
to change these pages to Asp or ASP.net.
But the other developer(Java) doesn't agree me to do so.
He thought either I should write them in Jsp or keep the
way as it is now in Access modules to write the webpages.
I feel there is a learning curve for me to learn Jsp and
java EJBS, java beans etc.
So I would like to have some advice or suggestions from
you on how I can persuade my supervisor and another java
developer to let me use ASP or Asp.net.

Thanks in advance

[Kevin Spencer]

Hi Ann,

I can certainly sympathize. After my last (previous) gig I determined never
to work for a company that couldn't make up its mind with regards to whose
technology they would use. Because they ended up going with an unholy
amalgam of Microsoft, Sun, and Oracle technologies, they basically ended up
destroying the company.

This puts you in a rather awkward position. Personally I would advise you to
do the same thing I did, which is to decide with whom to throw in, and stick
to it. I don't know how long I would want to stay with a company that can't
make up its mind. Regardless of which way a company goes, it needs to be
committed to one set or another. Mixing them will kill you.

I wish I could advise you as to how to "persuade" your supervisor and this
other developer, but that isn't likely to happen. Save yourself. That's my
advice! ;-)

--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
..Net Developer
Microsoft MVP
Big things are made up
of lots of little things.

"Ann" <an*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:02****************************@phx.gbl...

I'm in a very frustrated situation now regarding to use
jsp or asp.net.

I'm a VBA programmer. Some of our web pages related with
databases were setup in kind of old way , that is, in
Access modules, using DAO to generate html, also some
reports embedded with html code. All the html codes need
to be manually written.

I'm quite comfortable with ADO and ASp, So I would like
to change these pages to Asp or ASP.net.
But the other developer(Java) doesn't agree me to do so.
He thought either I should write them in Jsp or keep the
way as it is now in Access modules to write the webpages.
I feel there is a learning curve for me to learn Jsp and
java EJBS, java beans etc.
So I would like to have some advice or suggestions from
you on how I can persuade my supervisor and another java
developer to let me use ASP or Asp.net.

Thanks in advance

[Jim Rackley]

If there is a manager involved, do a cost analysis on the project. Prove to
them with $$$ attached that is would be less expensive in development time
to develop the app in a language you are familiar with.

If that doesn't help, you could always beat them with a stick ;o)

Jim

"Ann" <an*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:02****************************@phx.gbl...

I'm in a very frustrated situation now regarding to use
jsp or asp.net.

I'm a VBA programmer. Some of our web pages related with
databases were setup in kind of old way , that is, in
Access modules, using DAO to generate html, also some
reports embedded with html code. All the html codes need
to be manually written.

I'm quite comfortable with ADO and ASp, So I would like
to change these pages to Asp or ASP.net.
But the other developer(Java) doesn't agree me to do so.
He thought either I should write them in Jsp or keep the
way as it is now in Access modules to write the webpages.
I feel there is a learning curve for me to learn Jsp and
java EJBS, java beans etc.
So I would like to have some advice or suggestions from
you on how I can persuade my supervisor and another java
developer to let me use ASP or Asp.net.

Thanks in advance

[John Timney \(Microsoft MVP\)]

The learning curve on ASP.NET is significantly easier than the same curve on
JSP, and related technologies like Taglibs, webservices and the J2EE
framework - particularly if your coding by hand without an IDE.

As an experienced ASP developer with a background in MS technology you will
find it a lot easier to move to asp.net than you will to JSP, and the
support investment alone I have found to be dramatically less due to the
differences in the development technology. For instance, deployment of the
runtime alone for asp.net is very easy in comparison to getting a JSP engine
installed and running and supported, and why use a third party web server or
a plug in when IIS is optimised for asp.net.

Migrating your skills to such a different technical base will be very
expensive.

--
Regards

John Timney (Microsoft ASP.NET MVP)
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<shameless_author_plug>
Professional .NET for Java Developers with C#
ISBN:1-861007-91-4
Professional Windows Forms
ISBN: 1861005547
Professional JSP 2nd Edition
ISBN: 1861004958
Professional JSP
ISBN: 1861003625
Beginning JSP Web Development
ISBN: 1861002092
</shameless_author_plug>
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"Ann" <an*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:02****************************@phx.gbl...

I'm in a very frustrated situation now regarding to use
jsp or asp.net.

I'm a VBA programmer. Some of our web pages related with
databases were setup in kind of old way , that is, in
Access modules, using DAO to generate html, also some
reports embedded with html code. All the html codes need
to be manually written.

I'm quite comfortable with ADO and ASp, So I would like
to change these pages to Asp or ASP.net.
But the other developer(Java) doesn't agree me to do so.
He thought either I should write them in Jsp or keep the
way as it is now in Access modules to write the webpages.
I feel there is a learning curve for me to learn Jsp and
java EJBS, java beans etc.
So I would like to have some advice or suggestions from
you on how I can persuade my supervisor and another java
developer to let me use ASP or Asp.net.

Thanks in advance

[ann]

Thanks for all the ideas. I appreciate the newsgroup is
such a nice place, after reading the suggestions, at
least I don't feel so lonely and insecure.

-----Original Message-----
The learning curve on ASP.NET is significantly easier than the same curve onJSP, and related technologies like Taglibs, webservices and the J2EEframework - particularly if your coding by hand without an IDE.
As an experienced ASP developer with a background in MS technology you willfind it a lot easier to move to asp.net than you will to JSP, and thesupport investment alone I have found to be dramatically less due to thedifferences in the development technology. For instance, deployment of theruntime alone for asp.net is very easy in comparison to getting a JSP engineinstalled and running and supported, and why use a third party web server ora plug in when IIS is optimised for asp.net.

Migrating your skills to such a different technical base will be veryexpensive.

--
Regards

John Timney (Microsoft ASP.NET MVP)
----------------------------------------------
<shameless_author_plug>
Professional .NET for Java Developers with C#
ISBN:1-861007-91-4
Professional Windows Forms
ISBN: 1861005547
Professional JSP 2nd Edition
ISBN: 1861004958
Professional JSP
ISBN: 1861003625
Beginning JSP Web Development
ISBN: 1861002092
</shameless_author_plug>
----------------------------------------------

"Ann" <an*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in messagenews:02****************************@phx.gbl...

I'm in a very frustrated situation now regarding to use
jsp or asp.net.

I'm a VBA programmer. Some of our web pages related with databases were setup in kind of old way , that is, in
Access modules, using DAO to generate html, also some
reports embedded with html code. All the html codes need to be manually written.

I'm quite comfortable with ADO and ASp, So I would like
to change these pages to Asp or ASP.net.
But the other developer(Java) doesn't agree me to do so. He thought either I should write them in Jsp or keep the way as it is now in Access modules to write the webpages. I feel there is a learning curve for me to learn Jsp and java EJBS, java beans etc.
So I would like to have some advice or suggestions from
you on how I can persuade my supervisor and another java developer to let me use ASP or Asp.net.

Thanks in advance

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