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wh
Can somebody confirm that you have to be in the Administrators group to be
able to debug an ASP.NET application?

Wayne.
Nov 18 '05 #1
7 1556
Hi Wayne,

There is an MSDN article that talks about developing as a
non-Administrator, but it is not supported. From the viewpoint of the
ASP.NET team in PSS, you must either be an Administrator or run the ASP.NET
process as your domain account via the <processModel> section of the
machine.config file.

Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
Developer Support
ASP.NET
ja******@online.microsoft.com

This post is provided as-is with no warranties and confers no rights.

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Can somebody confirm that you have to be in the Administrators group to be
able to debug an ASP.NET application?

Wayne.


Nov 18 '05 #2
Or just add your username to the "debugger users" group.
Thanks,
Shawn
"Jim Cheshire [MSFT]" <ja******@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:WD******************@cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl...
Hi Wayne,

There is an MSDN article that talks about developing as a
non-Administrator, but it is not supported. From the viewpoint of the
ASP.NET team in PSS, you must either be an Administrator or run the ASP.NET process as your domain account via the <processModel> section of the
machine.config file.

Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
Developer Support
ASP.NET
ja******@online.microsoft.com

This post is provided as-is with no warranties and confers no rights.

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Subject: debugging
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Can somebody confirm that you have to be in the Administrators group to beable to debug an ASP.NET application?

Wayne.

Nov 18 '05 #3
Shawn,

Doing that will give you Launch and Access DCOM permissions to the machine
debug manager, but it doesn't give you access to be able to debug entirely.
We have worked several issues like this, and the list of things that must
be done in order for a non-Administrator to debug is extensive. There is
no quick fix to make it work, and doing so is not going to be supported by
us.

Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
Developer Support
ASP.NET
ja******@online.microsoft.com

This post is provided as-is with no warranties and confers no rights.

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From: "Shawn B." <le****@html.com>
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Or just add your username to the "debugger users" group.
Thanks,
Shawn
"Jim Cheshire [MSFT]" <ja******@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:WD******************@cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl. ..
Hi Wayne,

There is an MSDN article that talks about developing as a
non-Administrator, but it is not supported. From the viewpoint of the
ASP.NET team in PSS, you must either be an Administrator or run the

ASP.NET
process as your domain account via the <processModel> section of the
machine.config file.

Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
Developer Support
ASP.NET
ja******@online.microsoft.com

This post is provided as-is with no warranties and confers no rights.

--------------------
>From: "wh" <wa***@nospam.pyesmeadow.com>
>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet
>Subject: debugging
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:47:45 -0000
>Organization: freedom2surf
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>NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.137.79.45
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2003
15:46:01 GMT)
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>
>Can somebody confirm that you have to be in the Administrators group tobe >able to debug an ASP.NET application?
>
>Wayne.
>
>
>



Nov 18 '05 #4
wh
Thanks for confirming that. I've been trying all morning to get it working
but failed. In the end I added my account to the Administrators group and it
has been working since.

Wayne.
Nov 18 '05 #5
Unfortunately adding the developers to the Administrators
group isn't feasible in a classroom setting where we are
teaching asp.net programming.

-----Original Message-----
Shawn,

Doing that will give you Launch and Access DCOM permissions to the machinedebug manager, but it doesn't give you access to be able to debug entirely. We have worked several issues like this, and the list of things that mustbe done in order for a non-Administrator to debug is extensive. There isno quick fix to make it work, and doing so is not going to be supported byus.

Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
Developer Support
ASP.NET
ja******@online.microsoft.com

This post is provided as-is with no warranties and confers no rights.
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From: "Shawn B." <le****@html.com>
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Or just add your username to the "debugger users" group.
Thanks,
Shawn
"Jim Cheshire [MSFT]" <ja******@online.microsoft.com> wrote in messagenews:WD******************@cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl.. .
Hi Wayne,

There is an MSDN article that talks about developing as a non-Administrator, but it is not supported. From the viewpoint of the ASP.NET team in PSS, you must either be an Administrator or run the
ASP.NET
process as your domain account via the <processModel>
section of the machine.config file.

Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
Developer Support
ASP.NET
ja******@online.microsoft.com

This post is provided as-is with no warranties and confers no rights.
--------------------
>From: "wh" <wa***@nospam.pyesmeadow.com>
>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet
>Subject: debugging
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:47:45 -0000
>Organization: freedom2surf
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>NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.137.79.45
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>X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet
>
>Can somebody confirm that you have to be in the

Administrators group tobe
>able to debug an ASP.NET application?
>
>Wayne.
>
>
>



.

Nov 18 '05 #6
Local admin... local admin for that machine only. But I do get your point.
They should better design this. I don't recall VB6 requiring such
permissions.
Thanks,
Shawn

"L Wick" <an*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:d4****************************@phx.gbl...
Unfortunately adding the developers to the Administrators
group isn't feasible in a classroom setting where we are
teaching asp.net programming.

-----Original Message-----
Shawn,

Doing that will give you Launch and Access DCOM

permissions to the machine
debug manager, but it doesn't give you access to be able

to debug entirely.
We have worked several issues like this, and the list of

things that must
be done in order for a non-Administrator to debug is

extensive. There is
no quick fix to make it work, and doing so is not going

to be supported by
us.

Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
Developer Support
ASP.NET
ja******@online.microsoft.com

This post is provided as-is with no warranties and

confers no rights.

--------------------
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From: "Shawn B." <le****@html.com>
References: <bq**********@news.freedom2surf.net>

<WD**************@cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl>
Subject: Re: debugging
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:13:07 -0800
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Or just add your username to the "debugger users" group.
Thanks,
Shawn
"Jim Cheshire [MSFT]" <ja******@online.microsoft.com> wrote in messagenews:WD******************@cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl.. .
Hi Wayne,

There is an MSDN article that talks about developing as a non-Administrator, but it is not supported. From the viewpoint of the ASP.NET team in PSS, you must either be an Administrator or run theASP.NET
process as your domain account via the <processModel> section of the machine.config file.

Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
Developer Support
ASP.NET
ja******@online.microsoft.com

This post is provided as-is with no warranties and confers no rights.
--------------------
>From: "wh" <wa***@nospam.pyesmeadow.com>
>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet
>Subject: debugging
>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:47:45 -0000
>Organization: freedom2surf
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>NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.137.79.45
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2003
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(UTC) >X-Priority: 3
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>
>Can somebody confirm that you have to be in the

Administrators group tobe
>able to debug an ASP.NET application?
>
>Wayne.
>
>
>


.

Nov 18 '05 #7
Shawn,

VB6 6 (and other Visual Studio 6 languages) have the same requirement.
While there are steps that can be taken to debug as a non-Administrator,
they often don't work and it's not supported.

Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
Developer Support
ASP.NET
ja******@online.microsoft.com

This post is provided as-is with no warranties and confers no rights.

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From: "Shawn B." <le****@html.com>
References: <bq**********@news.freedom2surf.net> <WD**************@cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl>
<u$*************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>
<eQ**************@cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl>
<d4****************************@phx.gbl>Subject: Re: debugging
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Local admin... local admin for that machine only. But I do get your point.
They should better design this. I don't recall VB6 requiring such
permissions.
Thanks,
Shawn

"L Wick" <an*******@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:d4****************************@phx.gbl...
Unfortunately adding the developers to the Administrators
group isn't feasible in a classroom setting where we are
teaching asp.net programming.

>-----Original Message-----
>Shawn,
>
>Doing that will give you Launch and Access DCOM

permissions to the machine
>debug manager, but it doesn't give you access to be able

to debug entirely.
> We have worked several issues like this, and the list of

things that must
>be done in order for a non-Administrator to debug is

extensive. There is
>no quick fix to make it work, and doing so is not going

to be supported by
>us.
>
>Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
>Developer Support
>ASP.NET
>ja******@online.microsoft.com
>
>This post is provided as-is with no warranties and

confers no rights.
>
>--------------------
>>Reply-To: "Shawn B." <le****@html.com>
>>From: "Shawn B." <le****@html.com>
>>References: <bq**********@news.freedom2surf.net>
><WD**************@cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl>
>>Subject: Re: debugging
>>Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 09:13:07 -0800
>>Lines: 65
>>X-Priority: 3
>>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>>X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
>>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
>>Message-ID: <u$*************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>
>>Newsgroups: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet
>>NNTP-Posting-Host: 63.251.219.69
>>Path: cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!

tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl
>>Xref: cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl

microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet:194776
>>X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet
>>
>>Or just add your username to the "debugger users" group.
>>
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Shawn
>>
>>
>>"Jim Cheshire [MSFT]" <ja******@online.microsoft.com>

wrote in message
>>news:WD******************@cpmsftngxa06.phx.gbl.. .
>>> Hi Wayne,
>>>
>>> There is an MSDN article that talks about developing

as a
>>> non-Administrator, but it is not supported. From the

viewpoint of the
>>> ASP.NET team in PSS, you must either be an

Administrator or run the
>>ASP.NET
>>> process as your domain account via the <processModel>

section of the
>>> machine.config file.
>>>
>>> Jim Cheshire, MCSE, MCSD [MSFT]
>>> Developer Support
>>> ASP.NET
>>> ja******@online.microsoft.com
>>>
>>> This post is provided as-is with no warranties and

confers no rights.
>>>
>>> --------------------
>>> >From: "wh" <wa***@nospam.pyesmeadow.com>
>>> >Newsgroups: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet
>>> >Subject: debugging
>>> >Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:47:45 -0000
>>> >Organization: freedom2surf
>>> >Lines: 6
>>> >Message-ID: <bq**********@news.freedom2surf.net>
>>> >NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.137.79.45
>>> >X-Trace: news.freedom2surf.net 1070466361 11332

195.137.79.45 (3 Dec
>2003
>>> 15:46:01 GMT)
>>> >X-Complaints-To: ab***@freedom2surf.net
>>> >NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 15:46:01 +0000

(UTC)
>>> >X-Priority: 3
>>> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>>> >X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
>>> >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE

V6.00.2800.1165
>>> >Path:
>>>
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>>>
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>>microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet:19474 0
>>> >X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet
>>> >
>>> >Can somebody confirm that you have to be in the

Administrators group to
>>be
>>> >able to debug an ASP.NET application?
>>> >
>>> >Wayne.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>.
>



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hello, everyone, I want to develop a software for my android phone for daily needs, any suggestions?
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by: Sonnysonu | last post by:
This is the data of csv file 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 1 2 3 2 3 2 3 3 the lengths should be different i have to store the data by column-wise with in the specific length. suppose the i have to...
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by: Hystou | last post by:
There are some requirements for setting up RAID: 1. The motherboard and BIOS support RAID configuration. 2. The motherboard has 2 or more available SATA protocol SSD/HDD slots (including MSATA, M.2...
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by: Hystou | last post by:
Most computers default to English, but sometimes we require a different language, especially when relocating. Forgot to request a specific language before your computer shipped? No problem! You can...
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Oralloy
by: Oralloy | last post by:
Hello folks, I am unable to find appropriate documentation on the type promotion of bit-fields when using the generalised comparison operator "<=>". The problem is that using the GNU compilers,...
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tracyyun
by: tracyyun | last post by:
Dear forum friends, With the development of smart home technology, a variety of wireless communication protocols have appeared on the market, such as Zigbee, Z-Wave, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc. Each...
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agi2029
by: agi2029 | last post by:
Let's talk about the concept of autonomous AI software engineers and no-code agents. These AIs are designed to manage the entire lifecycle of a software development project—planning, coding, testing,...
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The next Access Europe User Group meeting will be on Wednesday 1 May 2024 starting at 18:00 UK time (6PM UTC+1) and finishing by 19:30 (7.30PM). In this session, we are pleased to welcome a new...

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