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Hi,

I am a beginner in .NET. I have been coding in plain asp before, using
VBScript, and now when i'm migrating to .NET, i obviously chosed VB.NET.

But.... when i see code samples on net, they are mostly in C#, i also saw a
post in this newsgroup where someone mentioned that it was a very "heated
topic back in 2002 about VB.NET vs C#".

So, my question is... what was the result of that topic?
What is best to go for, VB.NET or C#? and why?

Thanks and regards

Jan 10 '08
47 2238
You missed the point.... with your links. For example:
The replacement for VB's "str2 = Left(str, 5)" is not string.Substrin g(...).
It's

if (str != null)
{
if (str.Length >= 6) {
str2 = str.Substring(0 , 5);
}
else {
str2 = str;
}
}
else {
str2 = string.Empty;
}

The C# way! ;) Sure you can encapsulate this (and everyone will do it
differently... and forget a conditional here or there... and u might see the
encapsulation in a bunch of places if many developers work on the same
project). But, this is just one of example of VB's "moreness" and robustness
compared to C#. :)

"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.netwrote in message
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"CMoya" <mo*@nospam.com wrote in message
news:5B******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...
>>I disagree with you. Although I like C#, it's only because of a sense of
cachet that it gives you that you probably feel the way you do (because of
the fuzzy feeling you get when you think it's somehow related to C++ in
some way-- when really it's not).

Not true at all - I've never used C/C++ at all in my entire career...
>Aside from C#'s pointer and rudimentary unmanaged code ability

You mean unsafe code, not unmanaged code...
>VB event wiring is better (withevents),

WithEvents is totally unnecessary in C#, otherwise it would have it:
http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread255585.html
>Asc

http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread441566.html
>Left, Mid

http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread246103.html
>Now, you're perfectly welcome to prefer the C# syntax. But in terms of
functionalit y VB is not "identical" to C#... it's better.

We'll have to agree to disagree... :-)
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
Jan 10 '08 #11
"CMoya" <mo*@nospam.com wrote in message
news:8F******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...
But, this is just one of example of VB's "moreness" and robustness
compared to C#. :)
OK.
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Jan 10 '08 #12

My two sides of the coin are:

If you have a asp/vb6 background..the n

Side 1 : You'll be more used to using the "dim x" syntax. You'll get "on
board" slightly quicker.
Side 2 : You'll be more likely to bring bad habits with you, most of which
resolve around non OO practices.
Creating a billiion concrete classes is not OO development.
And asp.net is NOT an upgrade or extension of asp. Accept that truth
early, and you'll get on board faster.

Here is an article to look at:
http://www.cmswire.com/cms/featured-...cle-000591.php

Its your choice ultimately.

The last small tid-bit thing is.... google searches.
When you search for C# tidbit and syntax, you'll only have to filter through
1.1 vs 2.0 stuff for the most part (ok, maybe 3.0 and 3.5, but 3.0 and 3.5
are more extensions of 2.0). which isn't that hard.
When you do a syntax search for vb/vb.net, you'll have to wade through 10+
years of vb snipplets (non vb.net stuff) to find the vb.net stuff you're
looking for.
To put it another way, it is (IMHO) easier to find what you're looking for
when faced with an issue...googlin g C# syntax.
Heck, sometimes ...4-5 years ago when I did vb.net, the only way I could
find .Net specific stuff was to artificially translate my snipplet into
C#...to avoid that "google overload syndrome"...... ..

Last advice:
If you're ever interested in anything like WCF....or similar (more 3.0 and
3.5 stuff), then most (not all but most) examples are in C#.
And you will save time...because you don't constantly have to artificially
translate the syntax every single time you find a great C# snipplet.
This was finally the thing that I said "Ok, c# it is", because I got tired
of translating samples into vb.net just for the sake of translating samples
into c#.

And after I used c# for 2 months......it was over. The language feels
"cleaner" to me. (Which I would say you can figure out why alot of people
feel this way from the article above "not another".

The article above isn't perfect, but I like the historical aspect of it.
Good luck with your decision.


"M. Ali Qureshi" <m.***********@ hotmail.comwrot e in message
news:72******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...
Hi,

I am a beginner in .NET. I have been coding in plain asp before, using
VBScript, and now when i'm migrating to .NET, i obviously chosed VB.NET.

But.... when i see code samples on net, they are mostly in C#, i also saw
a
post in this newsgroup where someone mentioned that it was a very "heated
topic back in 2002 about VB.NET vs C#".

So, my question is... what was the result of that topic?
What is best to go for, VB.NET or C#? and why?

Thanks and regards

Jan 10 '08 #13
>VB event wiring is better (withevents),
WithEvents is totally unnecessary in C#, otherwise it would have it:
http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread255585.html
Also, I guess VB doesn't need WithEvents/Handles either since it supports
both the C# manual += adding of events (via AddHandler... remember to remove
it too at some point!) AND a cleaner "declarativ e" WithEvents / Handles way.

Private Sub Button1_Click(. ..) Handles Button1.Click
....
End Sub
or (to similate old school VB control arrays)
Private Sub Buttons_Click(. ..) Handles Button1.Click, Button2.Click,
Button3.Click
....
End Sub

No need to tear down the event handler either.

"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.netwrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP05.phx.gbl. ..
"CMoya" <mo*@nospam.com wrote in message
news:5B******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...
>>I disagree with you. Although I like C#, it's only because of a sense of
cachet that it gives you that you probably feel the way you do (because of
the fuzzy feeling you get when you think it's somehow related to C++ in
some way-- when really it's not).

Not true at all - I've never used C/C++ at all in my entire career...
>Aside from C#'s pointer and rudimentary unmanaged code ability

You mean unsafe code, not unmanaged code...
>VB event wiring is better (withevents),

WithEvents is totally unnecessary in C#, otherwise it would have it:
http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread255585.html
>Asc

http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread441566.html
>Left, Mid

http://www.thescripts.com/forum/thread246103.html
>Now, you're perfectly welcome to prefer the C# syntax. But in terms of
functionalit y VB is not "identical" to C#... it's better.

We'll have to agree to disagree... :-)
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
Jan 10 '08 #14
I would suggest you begin with C#, for no other reason that it will force
you to think in an object-orientated .NET way and prevent you from
carrying over any of the VBScript baggage...
How is VB any less object-oriented than C#? Inheritance? Check. Interfaces?
Check. Namespaces? Check.
And what exactly is VBScript baggage and how is it different than JScript
baggage?

I mean, I'm not trying to be argumentative.. .. but you don't really posit
any real reason why C# is better than VB.
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.netwrote in message
news:u2******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP06.phx.gbl...
"M. Ali Qureshi" <m.***********@ hotmail.comwrot e in message
news:es******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP03.phx.gbl...
>>Why do you actually have to choose at all...?
Maybe that was wrong choice of words. "Best way to begin" maybe :-)

Fair enough.
>But since you are an MVP in asp.net. What would you suggest a beginner
with my background. VB or C# to begin learning?

I would suggest you begin with C#, for no other reason that it will force
you to think in an object-orientated .NET way and prevent you from
carrying over any of the VBScript baggage...

I've known quite a few new (to .NET) developers who have begun with VB.NET
and then switched to C# - I've never known the reverse...

And, if ever you find yourself thinking "How would I have done this in ASP
Classic?", then have a five-minute break and approach the problem again
from the beginning... :-)
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
Jan 10 '08 #15
"CMoya" <mo*@nospam.com wrote in message
news:C7******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...
I mean, I'm not trying to be argumentative.. ..
OK.
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net

Jan 10 '08 #16
I mean, I'm not trying to be argumentative.. .. but you don't really posit
any real reason why C# is better than VB.
Good point.

"CMoya" <mo*@nospam.com wrote in message
news:C7******** *************** ***********@mic rosoft.com...
>I would suggest you begin with C#, for no other reason that it will force
you to think in an object-orientated .NET way and prevent you from
carrying over any of the VBScript baggage...

How is VB any less object-oriented than C#? Inheritance? Check.
Interfaces? Check. Namespaces? Check.
And what exactly is VBScript baggage and how is it different than JScript
baggage?

I mean, I'm not trying to be argumentative.. .. but you don't really posit
any real reason why C# is better than VB.
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.netwrote in message
news:u2******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP06.phx.gbl...
>"M. Ali Qureshi" <m.***********@ hotmail.comwrot e in message
news:es******* *******@TK2MSFT NGP03.phx.gbl.. .
>>>Why do you actually have to choose at all...?
Maybe that was wrong choice of words. "Best way to begin" maybe :-)

Fair enough.
>>But since you are an MVP in asp.net. What would you suggest a beginner
with my background. VB or C# to begin learning?

I would suggest you begin with C#, for no other reason that it will force
you to think in an object-orientated .NET way and prevent you from
carrying over any of the VBScript baggage...

I've known quite a few new (to .NET) developers who have begun with
VB.NET and then switched to C# - I've never known the reverse...

And, if ever you find yourself thinking "How would I have done this in
ASP Classic?", then have a five-minute break and approach the problem
again from the beginning... :-)
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
Jan 10 '08 #17
I would suggest you begin with C#, for no other reason that it will force
you to think in an object-orientated .NET way and prevent you from
carrying over any of the VBScript baggage...
I think this point has alot of weight. I do still think about "how i would
have solved a perticular issue in classic ASP"

Why i even touched this "heated topic" here is because i just wanted to know
what is "best". During my learning also i've been trying to stick with
"best-practices". using n-tier application structure etc...

But i must say, VB.NET and C# is not a "choice" one can make. One way or
another, in the end i'll actualy be having my hands on both.

Thank you everyone for very helpful input. I've learnt alot from this
discussion.
"Mark Rae [MVP]" <ma**@markNOSPA Mrae.netwrote in message
news:u2******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP06.phx.gbl...
"M. Ali Qureshi" <m.***********@ hotmail.comwrot e in message
news:es******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP03.phx.gbl...
>>Why do you actually have to choose at all...?
Maybe that was wrong choice of words. "Best way to begin" maybe :-)

Fair enough.
>But since you are an MVP in asp.net. What would you suggest a beginner
with my background. VB or C# to begin learning?

I would suggest you begin with C#, for no other reason that it will force
you to think in an object-orientated .NET way and prevent you from
carrying over any of the VBScript baggage...

I've known quite a few new (to .NET) developers who have begun with VB.NET
and then switched to C# - I've never known the reverse...

And, if ever you find yourself thinking "How would I have done this in ASP
Classic?", then have a five-minute break and approach the problem again
from the beginning... :-)
--
Mark Rae
ASP.NET MVP
http://www.markrae.net
Jan 10 '08 #18
Side 2 : You'll be more likely to bring bad habits with you, most of which
resolve around non OO practices.
This is probably the best argument against VB. Nothing was worse than
working with a bunch of programmers that went from VB6 to .NET with no
learning at all. Every single horrible thing they could do in VB6 (it
was bad then too) went directly over to .NET. When you force yourself
to learn a new language you can to wield it the correct way from the
beginning dumping those bad habits from the beginning rather than
"knowing" how you can do something and it be bad. This is even more
true with VB since they carried over the functions from older versions
into .NET (i.e. LTrim() Mid() cInt) whereas the .NET way is
different. The advantage to going to C# and having a VBScript
background is you should be able to read/write VB.NET fairly from
knowing C# and VBScript while it doesn't work as well the other way
(only VB with no C# learning).
Jan 10 '08 #19
I mean, I'm not trying to be argumentative.. .. but you don't really posit
any real reason why C# is better than VB.
there is only 2 reasons (listed bellow) why (I think) C# is better than
VB.NET.

1. Less characters to type.
I would kill the person who came up with "Then", "End if", "Select Case".
Well, i am kidding, not kill of course, but make him write 1000 times IF ...
THEN ... ELSE :)

For me { }, "switch" are more easily to read and i understand code better.

The type casting is a killing compare C# (int)a; with CType(a, int)
I have a big "thank you" to developers of C# for coming up with "using" and
"lock" keywords.

And i can go on...... Implements/Inherits keywords in VB, "Dim B as
Integer" vs "int b", IList.Item vs [], .......
2. As it been for years C# compiler is less guessing/forgiven than VB.NET
compiler.
I was cought couple time when my code would produce result i did not expect
because VB.NET compiler "guessed" for me what i want to do. And guesses
incorrectly. I agree that my code was ambigious but C# would give me an
error at compile time as apposed to VB that would throw an error when my
customers using the program.
Biggest example: Option Explicit. It is a mad man invention. Thanks though
that it's "On" by default now. I used to use non-dictionary words every time
I saw it's Off in old VB programs...Stil l see people using it.... I guess
hardcode VB programmers that life did not tach anything :)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
If you can put up with #1 and #2 then Vb.NET and C# languages pretty much
the same.

George.
Jan 10 '08 #20

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