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Protecting files on the server.

UJ
Folks,
We provide custom content for our customers. Currently we put the files on
our server and people have a program we provide that will download the
files. These files are usually SWF, HTML or JPG files. The problem as I see
it - if you know the name of the file, you could download it off the server
(currently we are using an HTTP/Get but I'm going to be using WebClient in
the new version.)

If there any way to password protect the file so people can't just download
them even if they know the file name?

The solutions I've come up with are:

1. Store the file in the database as a blob and read it (but this could get
slow as we will eventually add video which could get really big - up to
100MB).

2. Write a web service that will transfer the file back that has a password
on it.

Any other suggestions?

TIA - Jeff
Dec 19 '05 #1
18 2296
Jeff,

Another solution is to have the users authenticated in the program and have
the files sitting in a local directory that the program will be the only way
of getting to the files from outside.

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:uj******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
Folks,
We provide custom content for our customers. Currently we put the files on
our server and people have a program we provide that will download the
files. These files are usually SWF, HTML or JPG files. The problem as I
see it - if you know the name of the file, you could download it off the
server (currently we are using an HTTP/Get but I'm going to be using
WebClient in the new version.)

If there any way to password protect the file so people can't just
download them even if they know the file name?

The solutions I've come up with are:

1. Store the file in the database as a blob and read it (but this could
get slow as we will eventually add video which could get really big - up
to 100MB).

2. Write a web service that will transfer the file back that has a
password on it.

Any other suggestions?

TIA - Jeff

Dec 19 '05 #2
UJ
Eliyahu,
I'm not sure I understand you. That is essentilly what we already do. The
problem is when the program goes out to our server to get the file, the
files are unprotected on our server. I guess the question becomes how should
I protect the files on the server so the program and only the program can
access them.

Jeff.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
Jeff,

Another solution is to have the users authenticated in the program and
have the files sitting in a local directory that the program will be the
only way of getting to the files from outside.

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:uj******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
Folks,
We provide custom content for our customers. Currently we put the files
on our server and people have a program we provide that will download the
files. These files are usually SWF, HTML or JPG files. The problem as I
see it - if you know the name of the file, you could download it off the
server (currently we are using an HTTP/Get but I'm going to be using
WebClient in the new version.)

If there any way to password protect the file so people can't just
download them even if they know the file name?

The solutions I've come up with are:

1. Store the file in the database as a blob and read it (but this could
get slow as we will eventually add video which could get really big - up
to 100MB).

2. Write a web service that will transfer the file back that has a
password on it.

Any other suggestions?

TIA - Jeff


Dec 19 '05 #3
Jeff,

You could turn off anonymous access on the website and use only integrated
security. Integrated security uses encrypted user names and passwords. Then
create a username and password for your application to use when it makes the
webrequest for a file in question. You can create a Credential object that
the webrequest may use in order to authenticate to the website.

--
Sincerely,

S. Justin Gengo, MCP
Web Developer / Programmer

www.aboutfortunate.com

"Out of chaos comes order."
Nietzsche
"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:uO******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P14.phx.gbl...
Eliyahu,
I'm not sure I understand you. That is essentilly what we already do. The
problem is when the program goes out to our server to get the file, the
files are unprotected on our server. I guess the question becomes how
should I protect the files on the server so the program and only the
program can access them.

Jeff.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
Jeff,

Another solution is to have the users authenticated in the program and
have the files sitting in a local directory that the program will be the
only way of getting to the files from outside.

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:uj******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
Folks,
We provide custom content for our customers. Currently we put the files
on our server and people have a program we provide that will download
the files. These files are usually SWF, HTML or JPG files. The problem
as I see it - if you know the name of the file, you could download it
off the server (currently we are using an HTTP/Get but I'm going to be
using WebClient in the new version.)

If there any way to password protect the file so people can't just
download them even if they know the file name?

The solutions I've come up with are:

1. Store the file in the database as a blob and read it (but this could
get slow as we will eventually add video which could get really big - up
to 100MB).

2. Write a web service that will transfer the file back that has a
password on it.

Any other suggestions?

TIA - Jeff



Dec 19 '05 #4
Does your program on server in asp.net? If it does, are the files on a
separate server?

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:uO******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P14.phx.gbl...
Eliyahu,
I'm not sure I understand you. That is essentilly what we already do. The
problem is when the program goes out to our server to get the file, the
files are unprotected on our server. I guess the question becomes how
should I protect the files on the server so the program and only the
program can access them.

Jeff.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
Jeff,

Another solution is to have the users authenticated in the program and
have the files sitting in a local directory that the program will be the
only way of getting to the files from outside.

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:uj******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
Folks,
We provide custom content for our customers. Currently we put the files
on our server and people have a program we provide that will download
the files. These files are usually SWF, HTML or JPG files. The problem
as I see it - if you know the name of the file, you could download it
off the server (currently we are using an HTTP/Get but I'm going to be
using WebClient in the new version.)

If there any way to password protect the file so people can't just
download them even if they know the file name?

The solutions I've come up with are:

1. Store the file in the database as a blob and read it (but this could
get slow as we will eventually add video which could get really big - up
to 100MB).

2. Write a web service that will transfer the file back that has a
password on it.

Any other suggestions?

TIA - Jeff



Dec 19 '05 #5
UJ
The files are all on the same server as my ASP.Net application.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:u6******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P11.phx.gbl...
Does your program on server in asp.net? If it does, are the files on a
separate server?

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:uO******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P14.phx.gbl...
Eliyahu,
I'm not sure I understand you. That is essentilly what we already do. The
problem is when the program goes out to our server to get the file, the
files are unprotected on our server. I guess the question becomes how
should I protect the files on the server so the program and only the
program can access them.

Jeff.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
Jeff,

Another solution is to have the users authenticated in the program and
have the files sitting in a local directory that the program will be the
only way of getting to the files from outside.

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:uj******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
Folks,
We provide custom content for our customers. Currently we put the files
on our server and people have a program we provide that will download
the files. These files are usually SWF, HTML or JPG files. The problem
as I see it - if you know the name of the file, you could download it
off the server (currently we are using an HTTP/Get but I'm going to be
using WebClient in the new version.)

If there any way to password protect the file so people can't just
download them even if they know the file name?

The solutions I've come up with are:

1. Store the file in the database as a blob and read it (but this could
get slow as we will eventually add video which could get really big -
up to 100MB).

2. Write a web service that will transfer the file back that has a
password on it.

Any other suggestions?

TIA - Jeff



Dec 19 '05 #6
Why do you say the files are unprotected? If you keep them just in a local
directory, not mapped as a virtual one and not a sub-directory of your site,
no one can get to them from the web.

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
The files are all on the same server as my ASP.Net application.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:u6******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P11.phx.gbl...
Does your program on server in asp.net? If it does, are the files on a
separate server?

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:uO******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P14.phx.gbl...
Eliyahu,
I'm not sure I understand you. That is essentilly what we already do. The problem is when the program goes out to our server to get the file, the
files are unprotected on our server. I guess the question becomes how
should I protect the files on the server so the program and only the
program can access them.

Jeff.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
Jeff,

Another solution is to have the users authenticated in the program and
have the files sitting in a local directory that the program will be the only way of getting to the files from outside.

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:uj******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
> Folks,
> We provide custom content for our customers. Currently we put the files> on our server and people have a program we provide that will download
> the files. These files are usually SWF, HTML or JPG files. The problem> as I see it - if you know the name of the file, you could download it
> off the server (currently we are using an HTTP/Get but I'm going to be> using WebClient in the new version.)
>
> If there any way to password protect the file so people can't just
> download them even if they know the file name?
>
> The solutions I've come up with are:
>
> 1. Store the file in the database as a blob and read it (but this could> get slow as we will eventually add video which could get really big -
> up to 100MB).
>
> 2. Write a web service that will transfer the file back that has a
> password on it.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> TIA - Jeff
>
>



Dec 19 '05 #7
UJ
I guess that's the problem. At the moment if you go to
www.fred.com/files/file1234.swf it will bring up the file. What I'm looking
to do instead is have the program ask the server for a file somehow - but
I'm looking for suggestions on how to do that. I would assume it would be a
web service that the program calls. But what's the easiest way to transfer
the file. Currently I'm using WebClient.

TIA - Jeff.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:%2******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. .
Why do you say the files are unprotected? If you keep them just in a local
directory, not mapped as a virtual one and not a sub-directory of your
site,
no one can get to them from the web.

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
The files are all on the same server as my ASP.Net application.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:u6******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P11.phx.gbl...
> Does your program on server in asp.net? If it does, are the files on a
> separate server?
>
> Eliyahu
>
> "UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
> news:uO******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P14.phx.gbl...
>> Eliyahu,
>> I'm not sure I understand you. That is essentilly what we already do. The >> problem is when the program goes out to our server to get the file,
>> the
>> files are unprotected on our server. I guess the question becomes how
>> should I protect the files on the server so the program and only the
>> program can access them.
>>
>> Jeff.
>>
>> "Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
>> news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> Another solution is to have the users authenticated in the program
>>> and
>>> have the files sitting in a local directory that the program will be the >>> only way of getting to the files from outside.
>>>
>>> Eliyahu
>>>
>>> "UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
>>> news:uj******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> Folks,
>>>> We provide custom content for our customers. Currently we put the files >>>> on our server and people have a program we provide that will
>>>> download
>>>> the files. These files are usually SWF, HTML or JPG files. The problem >>>> as I see it - if you know the name of the file, you could download
>>>> it
>>>> off the server (currently we are using an HTTP/Get but I'm going to be >>>> using WebClient in the new version.)
>>>>
>>>> If there any way to password protect the file so people can't just
>>>> download them even if they know the file name?
>>>>
>>>> The solutions I've come up with are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Store the file in the database as a blob and read it (but this could >>>> get slow as we will eventually add video which could get really
>>>> big -
>>>> up to 100MB).
>>>>
>>>> 2. Write a web service that will transfer the file back that has a
>>>> password on it.
>>>>
>>>> Any other suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> TIA - Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Dec 19 '05 #8
Sorry for making the same point again and again. Do you have a particular
requirement for keeping files in a subdirectory of your site or a virtual
directory?

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:eQ******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
I guess that's the problem. At the moment if you go to
www.fred.com/files/file1234.swf it will bring up the file. What I'm looking
to do instead is have the program ask the server for a file somehow - but
I'm looking for suggestions on how to do that. I would assume it would be a
web service that the program calls. But what's the easiest way to transfer
the file. Currently I'm using WebClient.

TIA - Jeff.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:%2******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. .
Why do you say the files are unprotected? If you keep them just in a
local
directory, not mapped as a virtual one and not a sub-directory of your
site,
no one can get to them from the web.

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
The files are all on the same server as my ASP.Net application.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:u6******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P11.phx.gbl...
> Does your program on server in asp.net? If it does, are the files on a
> separate server?
>
> Eliyahu
>
> "UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
> news:uO******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P14.phx.gbl...
>> Eliyahu,
>> I'm not sure I understand you. That is essentilly what we already do.

The
>> problem is when the program goes out to our server to get the file,
>> the
>> files are unprotected on our server. I guess the question becomes how
>> should I protect the files on the server so the program and only the
>> program can access them.
>>
>> Jeff.
>>
>> "Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
>> news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> Another solution is to have the users authenticated in the program
>>> and
>>> have the files sitting in a local directory that the program will be

the
>>> only way of getting to the files from outside.
>>>
>>> Eliyahu
>>>
>>> "UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
>>> news:uj******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> Folks,
>>>> We provide custom content for our customers. Currently we put the

files
>>>> on our server and people have a program we provide that will
>>>> download
>>>> the files. These files are usually SWF, HTML or JPG files. The

problem
>>>> as I see it - if you know the name of the file, you could download
>>>> it
>>>> off the server (currently we are using an HTTP/Get but I'm going to

be
>>>> using WebClient in the new version.)
>>>>
>>>> If there any way to password protect the file so people can't just
>>>> download them even if they know the file name?
>>>>
>>>> The solutions I've come up with are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Store the file in the database as a blob and read it (but this

could
>>>> get slow as we will eventually add video which could get really
>>>> big -
>>>> up to 100MB).
>>>>
>>>> 2. Write a web service that will transfer the file back that has a
>>>> password on it.
>>>>
>>>> Any other suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> TIA - Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



Dec 20 '05 #9
UJ
Eliyahu,
First thanks for attempting to help me on this. Let me start over and
explain what I'm trying to accomplish and that may help.

I am working on a system where we display content my company creates. The
end user has a machine we provide them. Currently we generate a list of
files that then get downloaded to the machine via an HTTP Get command (both
the list of files plus the actual files to be downloaded). The files are in
a virtual directory on our server which you can connect to directly through
a browser interface (the original version of the software, which I didn't
write, went the net directly every time but if your net connection was down
nothing would display.) So currently the program(s) get the list of files it
needs to download, then it goes out through an unsecured (although it is
SSL) connection to a virtual directory on our server.

My problem is, and maybe I'm making too much of this is if you know the
directory name on the machine, you can pretty quickly figure out our naming
convention and then just start grabbing the files yourself. This of course
is not what we want. We want people to pay for our service.

So my thought was trying to do something to protect the files on the server.
I realize I could make them not in a virtual directory and write a Web
Service that would transfer the files but that seems cumbersome. If that's
the best way to do it, I'm OK with it. The problem could be though that the
files we transfer at the moment are small (< 1MB) but could in the future
get huge (we are talking about doing video.) So I'm looking for a solution
that can handle those files.

Currently I'm using WebClient which doesn't appear to have any security on
it.

Hope this is clear.

Thanks again for your help.

Jeff.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:OA******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P09.phx.gbl...
Sorry for making the same point again and again. Do you have a particular
requirement for keeping files in a subdirectory of your site or a virtual
directory?

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:eQ******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP10.phx.gbl...
I guess that's the problem. At the moment if you go to
www.fred.com/files/file1234.swf it will bring up the file. What I'm
looking to do instead is have the program ask the server for a file
somehow - but I'm looking for suggestions on how to do that. I would
assume it would be a web service that the program calls. But what's the
easiest way to transfer the file. Currently I'm using WebClient.

TIA - Jeff.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:%2******** *******@TK2MSFT NGP09.phx.gbl.. .
Why do you say the files are unprotected? If you keep them just in a
local
directory, not mapped as a virtual one and not a sub-directory of your
site,
no one can get to them from the web.

Eliyahu

"UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
news:eq******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP11.phx.gbl...
The files are all on the same server as my ASP.Net application.

"Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
news:u6******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P11.phx.gbl...
> Does your program on server in asp.net? If it does, are the files on
> a
> separate server?
>
> Eliyahu
>
> "UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
> news:uO******** *****@TK2MSFTNG P14.phx.gbl...
>> Eliyahu,
>> I'm not sure I understand you. That is essentilly what we already
>> do.
The
>> problem is when the program goes out to our server to get the file,
>> the
>> files are unprotected on our server. I guess the question becomes
>> how
>> should I protect the files on the server so the program and only the
>> program can access them.
>>
>> Jeff.
>>
>> "Eliyahu Goldin" <re************ *@monarchmed.co m> wrote in message
>> news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP09.phx.gbl. ..
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> Another solution is to have the users authenticated in the program
>>> and
>>> have the files sitting in a local directory that the program will
>>> be
the
>>> only way of getting to the files from outside.
>>>
>>> Eliyahu
>>>
>>> "UJ" <fr**@nowhere.c om> wrote in message
>>> news:uj******** ******@TK2MSFTN GP15.phx.gbl...
>>>> Folks,
>>>> We provide custom content for our customers. Currently we put the
files
>>>> on our server and people have a program we provide that will
>>>> download
>>>> the files. These files are usually SWF, HTML or JPG files. The
problem
>>>> as I see it - if you know the name of the file, you could download
>>>> it
>>>> off the server (currently we are using an HTTP/Get but I'm going
>>>> to
be
>>>> using WebClient in the new version.)
>>>>
>>>> If there any way to password protect the file so people can't just
>>>> download them even if they know the file name?
>>>>
>>>> The solutions I've come up with are:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Store the file in the database as a blob and read it (but this
could
>>>> get slow as we will eventually add video which could get really
>>>> big -
>>>> up to 100MB).
>>>>
>>>> 2. Write a web service that will transfer the file back that has a
>>>> password on it.
>>>>
>>>> Any other suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> TIA - Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>



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by: =?Utf-8?B?S2xhdXMgSmVuc2Vu?= | last post by:
Hi I have in the past had succes with protecting pdf-files from download by unauthenticated users by adding an application extension in IIS and mapping pdf.files to be served by the aspnet-process. I am currently faced with the same challenge - just for swf-files (shockwave flash). I need only authenticated users to be able to access them. However - when I make aspnet_isapi.dll handle swf-files, they are not shown
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by: Hystou | last post by:
Most computers default to English, but sometimes we require a different language, especially when relocating. Forgot to request a specific language before your computer shipped? No problem! You can effortlessly switch the default language on Windows 10 without reinstalling. I'll walk you through it. First, let's disable language synchronization. With a Microsoft account, language settings sync across devices. To prevent any complications,...
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jinu1996
by: jinu1996 | last post by:
In today's digital age, having a compelling online presence is paramount for businesses aiming to thrive in a competitive landscape. At the heart of this digital strategy lies an intricately woven tapestry of website design and digital marketing. It's not merely about having a website; it's about crafting an immersive digital experience that captivates audiences and drives business growth. The Art of Business Website Design Your website is...
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by: Hystou | last post by:
Overview: Windows 11 and 10 have less user interface control over operating system update behaviour than previous versions of Windows. In Windows 11 and 10, there is no way to turn off the Windows Update option using the Control Panel or Settings app; it automatically checks for updates and installs any it finds, whether you like it or not. For most users, this new feature is actually very convenient. If you want to control the update process,...
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agi2029
by: agi2029 | last post by:
Let's talk about the concept of autonomous AI software engineers and no-code agents. These AIs are designed to manage the entire lifecycle of a software development project—planning, coding, testing, and deployment—without human intervention. Imagine an AI that can take a project description, break it down, write the code, debug it, and then launch it, all on its own.... Now, this would greatly impact the work of software developers. The idea...
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by: conductexam | last post by:
I have .net C# application in which I am extracting data from word file and save it in database particularly. To store word all data as it is I am converting the whole word file firstly in HTML and then checking html paragraph one by one. At the time of converting from word file to html my equations which are in the word document file was convert into image. Globals.ThisAddIn.Application.ActiveDocument.Select();...
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by: TSSRALBI | last post by:
Hello I'm a network technician in training and I need your help. I am currently learning how to create and manage the different types of VPNs and I have a question about LAN-to-LAN VPNs. The last exercise I practiced was to create a LAN-to-LAN VPN between two Pfsense firewalls, by using IPSEC protocols. I succeeded, with both firewalls in the same network. But I'm wondering if it's possible to do the same thing, with 2 Pfsense firewalls...
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by: adsilva | last post by:
A Windows Forms form does not have the event Unload, like VB6. What one acts like?
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by: 6302768590 | last post by:
Hai team i want code for transfer the data from one system to another through IP address by using C# our system has to for every 5mins then we have to update the data what the data is updated we have to send another system
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by: muto222 | last post by:
How can i add a mobile payment intergratation into php mysql website.

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