What more popular ASP or PHP?
Since ASP.net needs .net to be installed, and can only
run on M$ servers, but PHP can run on Apache and UNIX, etc.
and on M$ servers, would it be worth while using it?
Is .net gaining popularity? What are the costs involved in upgrading to it
and porting the source code to .net(VC++, VB)?
I heard that IIS has lots of bugs, so people are sticking to the free Apache.
Perhaps staying with ASP (not .net) and PHP is better until .net gains ground.
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No stick with PHP, you'll be much happier and be able to b**ch about
Microsoft.
"Developwebsites" <de*************@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20***************************@mb-m17.aol.com... What more popular ASP or PHP?
Since ASP.net needs .net to be installed, and can only
run on M$ servers, but PHP can run on Apache and UNIX, etc.
and on M$ servers, would it be worth while using it?
Is .net gaining popularity? What are the costs involved in upgrading to
it and porting the source code to .net(VC++, VB)?
I heard that IIS has lots of bugs, so people are sticking to the free
Apache. Perhaps staying with ASP (not .net) and PHP is better until .net gains
ground.
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It sounds to me that you are not ready for ASP.NET. I agree with TomB.
Ray at <?php echo $szLocation; ?>
"Developwebsites" <de*************@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20***************************@mb-m17.aol.com... What more popular ASP or PHP?
Since ASP.net needs .net to be installed, and can only
run on M$ servers, but PHP can run on Apache and UNIX, etc.
and on M$ servers, would it be worth while using it?
Is .net gaining popularity? What are the costs involved in upgrading to
it and porting the source code to .net(VC++, VB)?
I heard that IIS has lots of bugs, so people are sticking to the free
Apache. Perhaps staying with ASP (not .net) and PHP is better until .net gains
ground.
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Hi
I was wondering this too. But it was intially decided for me by a customer's
host who charges nearly twice as much for hosting for PHP/Apache than
ASP/IIS. I don't know how they justify this as Apache is free and Linux is
as close to free compared to MS - I did ask but didn't get an answer.
But what I'd like to know is if there are a few features/functionality which
should be considered before deciding between ASP/ASP.NET/PHP? For example, a
customer on a tight budget wanted to log visitor info into a small Access
database so he can look at in Excel at the end of each month. Can you
connect to an Access Db using PHP on Apache?
Any thoughts?
Chris
"Developwebsites" <de*************@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20***************************@mb-m17.aol.com... What more popular ASP or PHP?
Since ASP.net needs .net to be installed, and can only
run on M$ servers, but PHP can run on Apache and UNIX, etc.
and on M$ servers, would it be worth while using it?
Is .net gaining popularity? What are the costs involved in upgrading to
it and porting the source code to .net(VC++, VB)?
I heard that IIS has lots of bugs, so people are sticking to the free
Apache. Perhaps staying with ASP (not .net) and PHP is better until .net gains
ground.
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ASP.NET allows you to compile your server side code which speeds execution
time. ASP.NET allows you to build and use objects without requiring a
bounce of the web server to implement them. And you can multithread in
ASP.NET.
Other than that consider what the development environments are available for
each. ASP has InterDev with code completion and context sensitive help as
does ASP.NET. PHP I am unsure of as I've never really looked for one, I've
just used UltraEdit for it.
Also, if you were using PHP you'd probably be using a MySQL DB not an access
database as most PHP servers are on some flavor of Linux or Unix.
--Tony
"Chris Allen" <Al*********@nospambtopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:bq**********@sparta.btinternet.com... Hi
I was wondering this too. But it was intially decided for me by a
customer's host who charges nearly twice as much for hosting for PHP/Apache than
ASP/IIS. I don't know how they justify this as Apache is free and Linux is
as close to free compared to MS - I did ask but didn't get an answer.
But what I'd like to know is if there are a few features/functionality
which should be considered before deciding between ASP/ASP.NET/PHP? For example,
a customer on a tight budget wanted to log visitor info into a small Access
database so he can look at in Excel at the end of each month. Can you
connect to an Access Db using PHP on Apache?
Any thoughts?
Chris
"Tom B" <sh*****@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ua**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... No stick with PHP, you'll be much happier and be able to b**ch about
Microsoft.
Agreed, then it could be run on a $un $olaris machine. Then the
multi-million dollar $un Corporation could get even richer.
Sorry, those "$$$", and the hypocracy of them, just get me going....
--
Phillip Windell [CCNA, MVP, MCP]
WAND-TV (ABC Affiliate) www.wandtv.com
Bravo Phillip!
®ay at work
"Phillip Windell" <none> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... "Tom B" <sh*****@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ua**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... No stick with PHP, you'll be much happier and be able to b**ch about
Microsoft.
Agreed, then it could be run on a $un $olaris machine. Then the
multi-million dollar $un Corporation could get even richer.
Sorry, those "$$$", and the hypocracy of them, just get me going....
--
Phillip Windell [CCNA, MVP, MCP]
WAND-TV (ABC Affiliate)
www.wandtv.com
Oh,...also there is no such thing as an "MS Server" in terms of
hardware, MS only writes the OS. $un on the other hand, .....does
both. Don't tell Janet Reno, she'll think $un is a monopoloy and
forget she isn't the AttyGen anymore.
Ok, I'm gonna leave the room and go do something else for a while to
avoid anymore "OT". Sorry, that stuff just gets me going...
--
Phillip Windell [CCNA, MVP, MCP]
WAND-TV (ABC Affiliate) www.wandtv.com
"Phillip Windell" <none> wrote in message
news:#D**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... "Tom B" <sh*****@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ua**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... No stick with PHP, you'll be much happier and be able to b**ch
about Microsoft.
Agreed, then it could be run on a $un $olaris machine. Then the
multi-million dollar $un Corporation could get even richer.
Sorry, those "$$$", and the hypocracy of them, just get me going....
--
Phillip Windell [CCNA, MVP, MCP]
WAND-TV (ABC Affiliate)
www.wandtv.com
Me too, that's why I went with the snotty answer.
"Phillip Windell" <none> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... "Tom B" <sh*****@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ua**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... No stick with PHP, you'll be much happier and be able to b**ch about
Microsoft.
Agreed, then it could be run on a $un $olaris machine. Then the
multi-million dollar $un Corporation could get even richer.
Sorry, those "$$$", and the hypocracy of them, just get me going....
--
Phillip Windell [CCNA, MVP, MCP]
WAND-TV (ABC Affiliate)
www.wandtv.com
Hmm Thanks for that, I'd completely overlooked development environment
aspect.
I do like the MS Visual Studio range.
Chris
"Tony Archer" <me@_N05PAM_tonyarcher.com> wrote in message
news:OK**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... ASP.NET allows you to compile your server side code which speeds execution
time. ASP.NET allows you to build and use objects without requiring a
bounce of the web server to implement them. And you can multithread in
ASP.NET.
Other than that consider what the development environments are available
for each. ASP has InterDev with code completion and context sensitive help as
does ASP.NET. PHP I am unsure of as I've never really looked for one,
I've just used UltraEdit for it.
Also, if you were using PHP you'd probably be using a MySQL DB not an
access database as most PHP servers are on some flavor of Linux or Unix.
--Tony
"Chris Allen" <Al*********@nospambtopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:bq**********@sparta.btinternet.com... Hi
I was wondering this too. But it was intially decided for me by a customer's host who charges nearly twice as much for hosting for PHP/Apache than
ASP/IIS. I don't know how they justify this as Apache is free and Linux
is as close to free compared to MS - I did ask but didn't get an answer.
But what I'd like to know is if there are a few features/functionality
which should be considered before deciding between ASP/ASP.NET/PHP? For
example, a customer on a tight budget wanted to log visitor info into a small
Access database so he can look at in Excel at the end of each month. Can you
connect to an Access Db using PHP on Apache?
Any thoughts?
Chris
Developwebsites wrote: What more popular ASP or PHP?
PHP is the most popular web language if you use the number of active
pages as the measure.
Since ASP.net needs .net to be installed, and can only
run on M$ servers, but PHP can run on Apache and UNIX, etc.
and on M$ servers, would it be worth while using it?
Yes.
Is .net gaining popularity?
No. In fact the contrary: C++, VBScript and VB programmers are
abandoning Microsoft platforms and tools because .NET does not support
their languages.
What are the costs involved in upgrading to it
and porting the source code to .net(VC++, VB)?
A total rewrite.
I heard that IIS has lots of bugs, so people are sticking to the free Apache.
Yes. Apache recently increased to 2/3 of websites; IIS continues to
decline. Perhaps staying with ASP (not .net) and PHP is better until .net gains ground.
Yes, especially PHP.
Chris Allen wrote: should be considered before deciding between ASP/ASP.NET/PHP? For example, a
customer on a tight budget wanted to log visitor info into a small Access
database so he can look at in Excel at the end of each month. Can you
connect to an Access Db using PHP on Apache?
Yes. Remember, Google is your friend.
Phillip Windell wrote: Agreed, then it could be run on a $un $olaris machine. Then the
multi-million dollar $un Corporation could get even richer.
How about a cheap box running Linux, which is free?
How about a 486-33SX running DOS 3.12?
....oh, wait, nm.
"Michael D. Kersey" <md******@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:OE**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... Phillip Windell wrote: Agreed, then it could be run on a $un $olaris machine. Then the
multi-million dollar $un Corporation could get even richer.
How about a cheap box running Linux, which is free?
It be alright for PHP. Using ASP via Chillisoft or something like
that would work, but be limited.
--
Phillip Windell [CCNA, MVP, MCP]
WAND-TV (ABC Affiliate) www.wandtv.com
"Michael D. Kersey" <md******@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:OE**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl... Phillip Windell wrote: Agreed, then it could be run on a $un $olaris machine. Then the
multi-million dollar $un Corporation could get even richer.
How about a cheap box running Linux, which is free?
"Michael D. Kersey" <md******@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:eP*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... Is .net gaining popularity?
No. In fact the contrary: C++, VBScript and VB programmers are
abandoning Microsoft platforms and tools because .NET does not
support their languages.
Well which "Non-MS Platform" supports server-side C++, VB, and VB
Script? If these programmers abandoning MS Platforms because it
doesn't support those languages, which Platform are they running to
that does support those same languages efficiently?
How does .NET not support VB and C++?...we have a copy of it here and
it allows you to open and work with a VB6.0 project if I recall and
also as far as I know can still work with C++ code.
What does anyone write for "web use" using C++ and VB? Now VB Script
certainly...granted, but C++?... maybe for components, VB?...I can't
think of any good use for it that can't be done easier in something
else since VB is desgined around a local client-side GUI concept.
--
Phillip Windell [CCNA, MVP, MCP]
WAND-TV (ABC Affiliate) www.wandtv.com
"Phillip Windell" <none> wrote in message news:<#P**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>... "Michael D. Kersey" <md******@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:eP*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... Is .net gaining popularity? No. In fact the contrary: C++, VBScript and VB programmers are
abandoning Microsoft platforms and tools because .NET does not
support their languages.
How does .NET not support VB and C++?...we have a copy of it here and
it allows you to open and work with a VB6.0 project if I recall and
also as far as I know can still work with C++ code.
..NET breaks C++ standard. Since you not know I think your not real C++
programmer. Here show you how, but I think you do not understand:
http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/slippman/
http://blogs.gotdotnet.com/slippman/...5-719e17483fba
If these programmers abandoning MS Platforms because it
doesn't support those languages, which Platform are they running to
that does support those same languages efficiently?
Best is
Linux OS
Apache WEB SERVER
DB2, Sybase, PostGreSQL, MySQL DATABASE
Leave VB apps on IIS (but bad security, cracked in 11 minutes(8-)) or
migrate to ChiliSoft or iASP on Linux or write new in PHP or Perl.
Last is best. IIS, VB, VBScript are dead like Latin - only Church of
Microsoft people know how to set up, code, read, write IIS, VB,
VBScript. Wave hands, sing songs, burn incense, maybe server works
(maybe not). Need some magic to keep working and keep ghosts and
hackers away.
tom
"tom" <xe****************@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:21**************************@posting.google.c om... .NET breaks C++ standard.
This wasn't my primary point, but anyway....
It isn't supposed to follow the standard, it creates a new standard
(C#). I'm simply saying that it *can* use the older C++ code if that
is what you have things written in. It would be silly to expect all
the existing C++ code to simply be thrown out when .Net Studio gets
installed into a shop. Exactly *how* compatible is up for discussion,
but that isn't my point and I don't care.
Since you not know I think your not real C++
programmer. Here show you how, but I think you do not understand:
I'm not a C++ programmer,...I'm not a VB Programmer,....I'm not a
Programmer at all. Writing code is just a hobby, that's all it will
ever be to me, nothing more..nothing less. My primary point was on
the idea that C++, VBScript, and VB programmers, due to .NET, were
"fleeing" the Microsoft OS is ridicules because there is no other OS
they can go to. Even with C++ which has compilers for other OS's, you
can't just simply "flee" the OS for another OS and still write
products for Windows. It just isn't that simple. How many Windows
Products are you going to write using a Linux box as the Development
platform. By the same token I don't see people writing Linux apps with
VB or VBScript.
--
Phillip Windell [CCNA, MVP, MCP]
WAND-TV (ABC Affiliate) www.wandtv.com
Phillip Windell wrote: "Michael D. Kersey" <md******@hal-pc.org> wroteC++, VBScript and VB programmers are
abandoning Microsoft platforms and tools because .NET does not
support their languages.
Well which "Non-MS Platform" supports server-side C++, VB, and VB
Script? If these programmers abandoning MS Platforms because it
doesn't support those languages, which Platform are they running to
that does support those same languages efficiently?
Why do you assume that?
Developers are giving up those old Microsoft languages and moving to
non-Microsoft languages.
They had little choice: Microsoft rendered their old languages obsolete.
VB6, VBScript and Visual C++ are dead-end languages now.
And given a choice between learning a new Microsoft language or a new
non-Microsoft language, developers are wisely choosing the latter: "Once
bitten, twice shy."
The point is that developers who once worked with Microsoft platforms
and tools are abandoning Microsoft platforms and tools: that includes
the Microsoft languages (VB, VBScript) and Microsoft versions of
languages (e.g., Visual C++).
To be pedantic, since you are apparently not thinking clearly:
- Developers who once wrote in Microsoft C++ are moving to non-Microsoft
(standard) C++ and to Java,
- Developers who once wrote in Microsoft VB or VBScript are moving to
Java, Perl and PHP,
- thanks to the insecurity of IIS, all are moving to non-Microsoft web
servers,
- most are moving to non-Microsoft operating systems, although this is
not immediately necessary since Apache, PHP, Java, Perl, PostGreSQL, and
MySQL run under Windows operating systems too.
IOW due to it's own actions, Microsoft has lost control of it's former
developer community.
"Michael D. Kersey" <md******@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
news:O5**************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl... Developers are giving up those old Microsoft languages and moving to
non-Microsoft languages.
To be pedantic, since you are apparently not thinking clearly:
I'm thinking clearly. I interpreted your first post to say that you
thought Developers were abandoning the OS and moving their *same*
languages to to other OS's, which didn't make sense to me. When I see
the word "platform" I interpret that as the OS and hardware
combination, not the language the App was compiled from. I didn't
interpret it as they were either changing languages or changing to
non-MS variants of the same language which is more logical. Obviously
a VB6.0 programmer can't flee to Linux and still write with VB6.0.
Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I personally don't like .Net myself, but it is from an adminitration
point of view. I have the most trouble with Apps written in any of the
..Net languages than the older stuff. Perhaps it isn't the language
but the possibility that the developers skill aren't as "sharpened"
with it as with the older.
--
Phillip Windell [CCNA, MVP, MCP]
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