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asp page with browser sniffer doesn't work in Netscape

AMC
Hi,

I have the below code in an asp page. When I run this page in IE or Opera it
correctly displays the header info and does not redirect me to 'test.html'.
However, when I run this in Netscape it goes straight to the redirect page
'test.html' which indicates that javascript is not enabled and it also does
not display the header info. Can someone tell me why this is happening?

<%@ Language=VBScript%>
<%'get header info
Response.Write Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT")

'detect javascript
Set bc = Server.CreateObject("MSWC.BrowserType") %>
Browser Name: <%=bc.browser %>
Browser Version: <%=bc.version%>

<%
if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
response.write("no javascript")
response.Redirect("Test.html")
else
response.write("has javascript")

end if
set bc=nothing
%>

Jul 22 '05 #1
13 2051
Not that anyone uses Netscape anymore, but this is a pretty silly way to
test whether a user has JavaScript enabled, anyway. All you are testing is
that they are using a browser that *supports* JavaScript. They can easily
turn it off, and the test you are doing will still pass.

http://www.aspfaq.com/2058

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"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:uF**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Hi,

I have the below code in an asp page. When I run this page in IE or Opera it correctly displays the header info and does not redirect me to 'test.html'. However, when I run this in Netscape it goes straight to the redirect page
'test.html' which indicates that javascript is not enabled and it also does not display the header info. Can someone tell me why this is happening?

<%@ Language=VBScript%>
<%'get header info
Response.Write Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT")

'detect javascript
Set bc = Server.CreateObject("MSWC.BrowserType") %>
Browser Name: <%=bc.browser %>
Browser Version: <%=bc.version%>

<%
if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
response.write("no javascript")
response.Redirect("Test.html")
else
response.write("has javascript")

end if
set bc=nothing
%>


Jul 22 '05 #2
AMC
Well,

Plenty of my users still have Netscape so this needs to work. I have
JavaScript enabled in Netscape but the asp page is redirecting to
the test page which indicates that it is not enabled or *supported*. Do you
have any valid information relating to this problem?
"Aaron [SQL Server MVP]" <te*****@dnartreb.noraa> wrote in message
news:eg****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Not that anyone uses Netscape anymore, but this is a pretty silly way to
test whether a user has JavaScript enabled, anyway. All you are testing is that they are using a browser that *supports* JavaScript. They can easily
turn it off, and the test you are doing will still pass.

http://www.aspfaq.com/2058

--
http://www.aspfaq.com/
(Reverse address to reply.)


"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:uF**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Hi,

I have the below code in an asp page. When I run this page in IE or Opera
it
correctly displays the header info and does not redirect me to

'test.html'.
However, when I run this in Netscape it goes straight to the redirect

page 'test.html' which indicates that javascript is not enabled and it also

does
not display the header info. Can someone tell me why this is happening?

<%@ Language=VBScript%>
<%'get header info
Response.Write Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT")

'detect javascript
Set bc = Server.CreateObject("MSWC.BrowserType") %>
Browser Name: <%=bc.browser %>
Browser Version: <%=bc.version%>

<%
if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
response.write("no javascript")
response.Redirect("Test.html")
else
response.write("has javascript")

end if
set bc=nothing
%>



Jul 22 '05 #3
Did you see the link I posted? Use JAVASCRIPT to determine if JavaScript is
enabled, not some stupid browser capabilities object that merely tells you
that JavaScript is SUPPORTED. Do you hire people based solely on what they
say on their resume, or only after they've actually demonstrated that they
can do what they say they can?

--
http://www.aspfaq.com/
(Reverse address to reply.)


"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:#R**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Well,

Plenty of my users still have Netscape so this needs to work. I have
JavaScript enabled in Netscape but the asp page is redirecting to
the test page which indicates that it is not enabled or *supported*. Do you have any valid information relating to this problem?
"Aaron [SQL Server MVP]" <te*****@dnartreb.noraa> wrote in message
news:eg****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Not that anyone uses Netscape anymore, but this is a pretty silly way to
test whether a user has JavaScript enabled, anyway. All you are testing

is
that they are using a browser that *supports* JavaScript. They can easily
turn it off, and the test you are doing will still pass.

http://www.aspfaq.com/2058

--
http://www.aspfaq.com/
(Reverse address to reply.)


"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:uF**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Hi,

I have the below code in an asp page. When I run this page in IE or

Opera
it
correctly displays the header info and does not redirect me to

'test.html'.
However, when I run this in Netscape it goes straight to the redirect

page 'test.html' which indicates that javascript is not enabled and it also

does
not display the header info. Can someone tell me why this is happening?
<%@ Language=VBScript%>
<%'get header info
Response.Write Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT")

'detect javascript
Set bc = Server.CreateObject("MSWC.BrowserType") %>
Browser Name: <%=bc.browser %>
Browser Version: <%=bc.version%>

<%
if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
response.write("no javascript")
response.Redirect("Test.html")
else
response.write("has javascript")

end if
set bc=nothing
%>




Jul 22 '05 #4
AMC
Duh,

Yes I saw the link you posted, and I am well aware of Browserhawk etc. For
reasons that I won't waste my time explaining again JAVASCRIPT is not an
option.

For your info, the only 'stupidity' is in your inane replies to my post. Who
I hire has no relevance to this thread, but since your asked
I wouldn't hire you because you have clearly demonstrated that you don't
know squat!

Keep posting, and I'll keep laughing!!!

"Aaron [SQL Server MVP]" <te*****@dnartreb.noraa> wrote in message
news:%2******************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
Did you see the link I posted? Use JAVASCRIPT to determine if JavaScript is enabled, not some stupid browser capabilities object that merely tells you
that JavaScript is SUPPORTED. Do you hire people based solely on what they say on their resume, or only after they've actually demonstrated that they
can do what they say they can?

--
http://www.aspfaq.com/
(Reverse address to reply.)


"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:#R**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Well,

Plenty of my users still have Netscape so this needs to work. I have
JavaScript enabled in Netscape but the asp page is redirecting to
the test page which indicates that it is not enabled or *supported*. Do

you
have any valid information relating to this problem?
"Aaron [SQL Server MVP]" <te*****@dnartreb.noraa> wrote in message
news:eg****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
Not that anyone uses Netscape anymore, but this is a pretty silly way to test whether a user has JavaScript enabled, anyway. All you are testing
is
that they are using a browser that *supports* JavaScript. They can easily turn it off, and the test you are doing will still pass.

http://www.aspfaq.com/2058

--
http://www.aspfaq.com/
(Reverse address to reply.)


"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:uF**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Hi,
>
> I have the below code in an asp page. When I run this page in IE or

Opera
it
> correctly displays the header info and does not redirect me to
'test.html'.
> However, when I run this in Netscape it goes straight to the
redirect
page
> 'test.html' which indicates that javascript is not enabled and it

also does
> not display the header info. Can someone tell me why this is

happening? >
> <%@ Language=VBScript%>
> <%'get header info
> Response.Write Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT")
>
> 'detect javascript
> Set bc = Server.CreateObject("MSWC.BrowserType") %>
> Browser Name: <%=bc.browser %>
> Browser Version: <%=bc.version%>
>
> <%
> if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
> response.write("no javascript")
> response.Redirect("Test.html")
> else
> response.write("has javascript")
>
> end if
> set bc=nothing
> %>
>
>
>
>
>



Jul 22 '05 #5
Wow, you're a bad programmer AND an a**hole. Good job.

*PLONK*


"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:#z**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
Duh,

Yes I saw the link you posted, and I am well aware of Browserhawk etc. For
reasons that I won't waste my time explaining again JAVASCRIPT is not an
option.

For your info, the only 'stupidity' is in your inane replies to my post. Who I hire has no relevance to this thread, but since your asked
I wouldn't hire you because you have clearly demonstrated that you don't
know squat!

Keep posting, and I'll keep laughing!!!

Jul 22 '05 #6
>>For reasons that I won't waste my time explaining again JAVASCRIPT is not
an option.
Again? I can't find where you explained it once.

Bob Lehmann

"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:#z**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
Duh,

Yes I saw the link you posted, and I am well aware of Browserhawk etc. For
reasons that I won't waste my time explaining again JAVASCRIPT is not an
option.

For your info, the only 'stupidity' is in your inane replies to my post. Who I hire has no relevance to this thread, but since your asked
I wouldn't hire you because you have clearly demonstrated that you don't
know squat!

Keep posting, and I'll keep laughing!!!

"Aaron [SQL Server MVP]" <te*****@dnartreb.noraa> wrote in message
news:%2******************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
Did you see the link I posted? Use JAVASCRIPT to determine if JavaScript
is
enabled, not some stupid browser capabilities object that merely tells you that JavaScript is SUPPORTED. Do you hire people based solely on what they
say on their resume, or only after they've actually demonstrated that they can do what they say they can?

--
http://www.aspfaq.com/
(Reverse address to reply.)


"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:#R**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
Well,

Plenty of my users still have Netscape so this needs to work. I have
JavaScript enabled in Netscape but the asp page is redirecting to
the test page which indicates that it is not enabled or *supported*. Do
you
have any valid information relating to this problem?
"Aaron [SQL Server MVP]" <te*****@dnartreb.noraa> wrote in message
news:eg****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> Not that anyone uses Netscape anymore, but this is a pretty silly

way to > test whether a user has JavaScript enabled, anyway. All you are testing is
> that they are using a browser that *supports* JavaScript. They can

easily
> turn it off, and the test you are doing will still pass.
>
> http://www.aspfaq.com/2058
>
> --
> http://www.aspfaq.com/
> (Reverse address to reply.)
>
>
>
>
> "AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
> news:uF**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have the below code in an asp page. When I run this page in IE
or Opera
> it
> > correctly displays the header info and does not redirect me to
> 'test.html'.
> > However, when I run this in Netscape it goes straight to the

redirect page
> > 'test.html' which indicates that javascript is not enabled and it also > does
> > not display the header info. Can someone tell me why this is

happening?
> >
> > <%@ Language=VBScript%>
> > <%'get header info
> > Response.Write Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT")
> >
> > 'detect javascript
> > Set bc = Server.CreateObject("MSWC.BrowserType") %>
> > Browser Name: <%=bc.browser %>
> > Browser Version: <%=bc.version%>
> >
> > <%
> > if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
> > response.write("no javascript")
> > response.Redirect("Test.html")
> > else
> > response.write("has javascript")
> >
> > end if
> > set bc=nothing
> > %>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



Jul 22 '05 #7
The only question I need answered is why doesn't this script work in
Netscape:

<%@ Language=VBScript%>
> > > <%'get header info
> > > Response.Write Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT")
> > >
> > > 'detect javascript
> > > Set bc = Server.CreateObject("MSWC.BrowserType") %>
> > > Browser Name: <%=bc.browser %>
> > > Browser Version: <%=bc.version%>
> > >
> > > <%
> > > if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
> > > response.write("no javascript")
> > > response.Redirect("Test.html")
> > > else
> > > response.write("has javascript")
> > >
> > > end if
> > > set bc=nothing
> > > %>
"Bob Lehmann" <none> wrote in message
news:Ob****************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...For reasons that I won't waste my time explaining again JAVASCRIPT is not
an option.
Again? I can't find where you explained it once.

Bob Lehmann

"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:#z**************@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
Duh,

Yes I saw the link you posted, and I am well aware of Browserhawk etc. For
reasons that I won't waste my time explaining again JAVASCRIPT is not an
option.

For your info, the only 'stupidity' is in your inane replies to my post.

Who
I hire has no relevance to this thread, but since your asked
I wouldn't hire you because you have clearly demonstrated that you don't
know squat!

Keep posting, and I'll keep laughing!!!

"Aaron [SQL Server MVP]" <te*****@dnartreb.noraa> wrote in message
news:%2******************@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
Did you see the link I posted? Use JAVASCRIPT to determine if JavaScript
is
enabled, not some stupid browser capabilities object that merely tells

you that JavaScript is SUPPORTED. Do you hire people based solely on what

they
say on their resume, or only after they've actually demonstrated that they can do what they say they can?

--
http://www.aspfaq.com/
(Reverse address to reply.)


"AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
news:#R**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Well,
>
> Plenty of my users still have Netscape so this needs to work. I have
> JavaScript enabled in Netscape but the asp page is redirecting to
> the test page which indicates that it is not enabled or *supported*. Do you
> have any valid information relating to this problem?
>
>
> "Aaron [SQL Server MVP]" <te*****@dnartreb.noraa> wrote in message
> news:eg****************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Not that anyone uses Netscape anymore, but this is a pretty silly way
to
> > test whether a user has JavaScript enabled, anyway. All you are

testing
> is
> > that they are using a browser that *supports* JavaScript. They

can easily
> > turn it off, and the test you are doing will still pass.
> >
> > http://www.aspfaq.com/2058
> >
> > --
> > http://www.aspfaq.com/
> > (Reverse address to reply.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net> wrote in message
> > news:uF**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have the below code in an asp page. When I run this page in IE

or > Opera
> > it
> > > correctly displays the header info and does not redirect me to
> > 'test.html'.
> > > However, when I run this in Netscape it goes straight to the

redirect
> page
> > > 'test.html' which indicates that javascript is not enabled and

it also
> > does
> > > not display the header info. Can someone tell me why this is
happening?
> > >
> > > <%@ Language=VBScript%>
> > > <%'get header info
> > > Response.Write Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT")
> > >
> > > 'detect javascript
> > > Set bc = Server.CreateObject("MSWC.BrowserType") %>
> > > Browser Name: <%=bc.browser %>
> > > Browser Version: <%=bc.version%>
> > >
> > > <%
> > > if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
> > > response.write("no javascript")
> > > response.Redirect("Test.html")
> > > else
> > > response.write("has javascript")
> > >
> > > end if
> > > set bc=nothing
> > > %>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>



Jul 22 '05 #8
AMC wrote:
if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
response.write("no javascript")
response.Redirect("Test.html")


Response.Write and Response.Redirect are incompatible:

"Any response body content such as displayed HTML text or
Response.Write text in the page indicated by the original
URL is ignored."

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en...om_resomre.asp

--
Dave Anderson

Unsolicited commercial email will be read at a cost of $500 per message. Use
of this email address implies consent to these terms. Please do not contact
me directly or ask me to contact you directly for assistance. If your
question is worth asking, it's worth posting.
Jul 22 '05 #9
Rasta wrote:
The only question I need answered is why doesn't this script
work in Netscape:
Among other things, because it is being interpreted by IIS (on the server
side), not by Netscape. But let's break it down:

<%@ Language=VBScript%>
>>> <%'get header info
>>> Response.Write Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT")
>>>
>>> 'detect javascript
>>>
>>> <%
>>> Browser Name: <%=bc.browser %>
>>> Browser Version: <%=bc.version%>
>>> set bc=nothing
>>>
>>> %>
All of the above is immaterial to your question. Leave it out of your post.

Set bc = Server.CreateObject("MSWC.BrowserType")
>>> if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
>>> response.write("no javascript")
>>> response.Redirect("Test.html")
>>> else
>>> response.write("has javascript")
>>> end if


The problem with your above approach is that it will not work as expected
unless you keep your browsercap.ini file updated. You will eventually come
to understand that this is more trouble than it is worth, so STOP USING
MSWC.BrowserType NOW.
http://aspfaq.com/show.asp?id=2199

Once you come to terms with this, you should come back and apologize to
Aaron. His initial response was helpful and to the point.

--
Dave Anderson

Unsolicited commercial email will be read at a cost of $500 per message. Use
of this email address implies consent to these terms. Please do not contact
me directly or ask me to contact you directly for assistance. If your
question is worth asking, it's worth posting.
Jul 22 '05 #10
AMC wrote:
Well,

Plenty of my users still have Netscape so this needs to work.

The latest figures I saw suggest that less than 1.5% of users overall
are using Netscape, and that figure is on a steady decline:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
So, apart from the very valid points made by Aaron, if you are spending
more than 1.4% of your project development time on this problem, it
would be time wasted in my book.

Morris
Jul 22 '05 #11
Morris wrote:
The latest figures I saw suggest that less than 1.5% of users overall
are using Netscape, and that figure is on a steady decline:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
So, apart from the very valid points made by Aaron, if you are
spending more than 1.4% of your project development time on this
problem, it would be time wasted in my book.


He did not say which version of Netscape. Since all versions over 5 are
built on the Gecko engine, this could represent as much as 23.9% of the
market (Firefox + Mozilla + Netscape 7), according to the January 2005
figures on your referenced site. And the share of Gecko-based browsers has
been growing every month for at least a year.
--
Dave Anderson

Unsolicited commercial email will be read at a cost of $500 per message. Use
of this email address implies consent to these terms. Please do not contact
me directly or ask me to contact you directly for assistance. If your
question is worth asking, it's worth posting.
Jul 22 '05 #12
Dave Anderson wrote:
Morris wrote:
The latest figures I saw suggest that less than 1.5% of users overall
are using Netscape, and that figure is on a steady decline:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
So, apart from the very valid points made by Aaron, if you are
spending more than 1.4% of your project development time on this
problem, it would be time wasted in my book.

He did not say which version of Netscape. Since all versions over 5 are
built on the Gecko engine, this could represent as much as 23.9% of the
market (Firefox + Mozilla + Netscape 7), according to the January 2005
figures on your referenced site. And the share of Gecko-based browsers has
been growing every month for at least a year.


It could represent that number - true. However, since the OP referred to
"Netscape", as opposed to "Mozilla" or "Firefox", I assumed he was
referring to the versions that are declining.

Just goes to illustrate that posters should ensure that they include
*all* relevant information, including version numbers (and that those
trying to reply shouldn't make assumptions - even though they may appear
valid assumptions).

Morris
Jul 22 '05 #13
Gazing into my crystal ball I observed "AMC" <ab*****@netgate.net>
writing in news:uF**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl:
Hi,

I have the below code in an asp page. When I run this page in IE or
Opera it correctly displays the header info and does not redirect me to
'test.html'. However, when I run this in Netscape it goes straight to
the redirect page 'test.html' which indicates that javascript is not
enabled and it also does not display the header info. Can someone tell
me why this is happening?

<%@ Language=VBScript%> <%'get header info
Response.Write Request.ServerVariables("HTTP_USER_AGENT")

'detect javascript
Set bc = Server.CreateObject("MSWC.BrowserType") %>
Browser Name: <%=bc.browser %>
Browser Version: <%=bc.version%>

<%
if (bc.javascript = FALSE) then
response.write("no javascript")
response.Redirect("Test.html")
else
response.write("has javascript")

end if
set bc=nothing
%>



In addition to what others have said, browser sniffing is not going to do
you any good. One of reasons is that there are many, many browsers out
there with many different engines, different capabilities, etc. Some
browsers will identify themselves as other than what they are, Opera for
example. Users can also turn javascript off if they so desire.

So the only true way to test for javascript is something like:
<head>
<script type="text/javascript">
location.href="somepage.htm"
</script>
</head>
<body>
<p>Your browser does not seem to have javascript enabled. Please check your
browsers documentation to see if it is available and how to enable it.</p>

Now, if the user never sees the above paragraph, then they have javascript
enabled, otherwise, they don't. Simple.
--
Adrienne Boswell
http://www.cavalcade-of-coding.info
Please respond to the group so others can share
Jul 22 '05 #14

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The next Access Europe meeting will be on Wednesday 6 Mar 2024 starting at 18:00 UK time (6PM UTC) and finishing at about 19:15 (7.15PM). In this month's session, we are pleased to welcome back...
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by: Vimpel783 | last post by:
Hello! Guys, I found this code on the Internet, but I need to modify it a little. It works well, the problem is this: Data is sent from only one cell, in this case B5, but it is necessary that data...
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by: ArrayDB | last post by:
The error message I've encountered is; ERROR:root:Error generating model response: exception: access violation writing 0x0000000000005140, which seems to be indicative of an access violation...

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