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Beginner asp tutorial required + dreamweaver or FP

Hi

I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
web based database project for my computer course.

I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.

I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?

Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
appreciated.

After my course project I would like to develop more web based
databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?

Thanks Colin
Jul 21 '05 #1
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personally, i would stay well clear of frontpage or dreamweaver. especially
while your learning. they both write very messy ineficient code, and are not
gonna do you ANY favours.

as for tutorials, although the web is a great source for such things, i
still believe a good book to get the groundwork done is the way to go. i
would recomend 'beginning ASP 3.0" by wrox press, or better still, if your
just startting, you should really look into learning .NET

"Colin Kingston" wrote:
Hi

I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
web based database project for my computer course.

I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.

I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?

Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
appreciated.

After my course project I would like to develop more web based
databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?

Thanks Colin

Jul 21 '05 #2
For my part, I am happy using dreamweaver,web matrix or visual studio.

It is particularly important to build good programming practices when you
start out.
Eg, code indentation, coding conventions and commentting ect

WYSIWYG won't give you those skills, so don't get to reliant on this aspect
of the above products.

XP Pro = good idea, you will get IIS which you will need to do server side
scripting.

Access Database: Not the best idea.
If you are serious about Web based database development, I wouldn't really
bother with Access.
Download SQL Server Developer Edition and begin their, it is a considerable
step up. but if your going to spend
the time learning something it might as well be that.

You will definately need to do some reading, and be married to these forums.

Also unless you are required to learn classic ASP, it may be worthwhile
considering ASP.Net.

If you haven't done this stuff before, asp + access is fine for hobby
projects at home to get you acqainted.
The above instructions will mostlikely cause a bit of grief if you pursue
them, when you begin. It is all definately up hill
at the start. As always over time it gets a lot easier.

AJ
Jul 21 '05 #3
Just read the previous post!

To do ASP.NET just go to www.asp.net and dowload the .NET Framework , Web
Matrix & the SDK.
Like i said this isn't the easiest of courses!!!
Jul 21 '05 #4

"Colin Kingston" <ck****@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7e**************************@posting.google.c om...
Hi

I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
web based database project for my computer course.

I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.

I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?

Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
appreciated.

After my course project I would like to develop more web based
databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?

In my opinion, you should start out using neither, but code your HTML by
hand. MS FP is just plain awful (though I have not used it in several
versions). Dreamweaver is a nice layout tool. But its client-side code is
awful to maintain. Both sheild you from understanding the code you are
working with IMO. I sometimes use Dreamweaver to work on layout with tables
and whatnot, but I never ever ever use its automatically generated
client-side script.

If it were me, I would use Interdev or even Visual Studio.NET can be used to
write ASP classic. Or notepad works great too. I would bet others know of
decent cheap or free editors...
Thanks Colin

Jul 21 '05 #5
On 25 Oct 2004 06:29:18 -0700, ck****@yahoo.co.uk (Colin Kingston)
wrote:
I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
web based database project for my computer course.

I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.

I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?
Not to start.
Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
appreciated.
Try aspin.com for tutorial databases, or do a Google on "ASP Database
Tutorial" and you'll find plenty.
After my course project I would like to develop more web based
databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?


DreamWeaver will be mor ein demand, but is less easy to use for ASP
coding than a coding environment. FP is solid, and good for
non-developers, but likewise not great for ASP development. Might
look at ASP development tools (or ASP.NET) such as PrimalScript,
VisualStudio or simple free text editors.

Jeff
Jul 21 '05 #6

"Jeff Cochran" <je*********@zina.com> wrote in message
news:41****************@msnews.microsoft.com...
On 25 Oct 2004 06:29:18 -0700, ck****@yahoo.co.uk (Colin Kingston)
wrote:
I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
web based database project for my computer course.

I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.

I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?


Not to start.
Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
appreciated.


Try aspin.com for tutorial databases, or do a Google on "ASP Database
Tutorial" and you'll find plenty.
After my course project I would like to develop more web based
databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?


DreamWeaver will be mor ein demand, but is less easy to use for ASP
coding than a coding environment. FP is solid, and good for
non-developers, but likewise not great for ASP development. Might
look at ASP development tools (or ASP.NET) such as PrimalScript,
VisualStudio or simple free text editors.


As a self-taught ASP coder (2 years part time - probably intermediate to
advanced level now) I started with an existing ASP site + Access database,
and pulled it apart, then rebuilt it. For starting, I'd recommend 1st Page
2000 from Evrsoft (www.evrsoft.com). It's free and will get you into the
discipline of typing all your code properly without relying on auto-complete
features. I also use DreamWeaver. It produces good clean HTML or XHTML.
Jul 21 '05 #7
g
turorial here:
http://giuciao.altervista.org/free_books.html

ck****@yahoo.co.uk (Colin Kingston) wrote in message news:<7e**************************@posting.google. com>...
Hi

I have reasonable experience with access. I am just about to start a
web based database project for my computer course.

I have very very limited experience of frontpage, VB & VB script, I
have no experience of ASP or dreamweaver.

I have office xp pro and am in the process of buying and installing
win xp pro. Is there anything else I need?

Idealy I would like to download a simple working access / asp database
to 'play' with and find a tutorial which takes me from a simple access
db using it on the web. - any guidance for either of these would be
appreciated.

After my course project I would like to develop more web based
databases. Should I make the effort to use and learn Dreamweaver now
or should I use MS FP for the projest and learn DW later?

Thanks Colin

Jul 21 '05 #8

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