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My observation is that over the past few months many of our regulars
seems to be drifting away, making fewer contributions or none at all.

Why?

I can speculate:

1. The quality of questions here in CDMA has been low;
2. The regulars are busy with paying work;
3. Contributing to the MS groups may result in recognition in the form
of MVP status;
4. Long held ideas and reputations are sometimes challenged here.

Is CDMA withering?
Jun 27 '08 #1
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lyle fairfield <ly************@gmail.comwrote:
>3. Contributing to the MS groups may result in recognition in the form
of MVP status;
That won't make a difference. MS recognizes contributes due to mailing lists, online
forums such as utteraccess.com and other newsgroups. Even user group leaders are
now MVPs.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
Jun 27 '08 #2

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Tony Toews [MVP] wrote:
lyle fairfield <ly************@gmail.comwrote:
>3. Contributing to the MS groups may result in recognition in the form
of MVP status;

That won't make a difference. MS recognizes contributes due to mailing lists, online
forums such as utteraccess.com and other newsgroups. Even user group leaders are
now MVPs.

Tony
I have always been irregular.

Bob
Jun 27 '08 #3

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"lyle fairfield" <ly************@gmail.comwrote
My observation is that over the past few months many of our regulars
seems to be drifting away, making fewer contributions or none at all.
If our regulars are becoming irregular, do you think we should be taking up
a collection to buy them some Metamucil or psillium fibers?

Actually, I do not know for certain. DPM and others, at one time, made the
place so unpleasant that many of us who had not done so before began to
answer questions elsewhere. Arvin Meyer, back at that time, got out of the
habit of visiting here, and only occasionally drops in.

More recently, PCDatasheet was disruptive, but not enough to irritate anyone
into leaving, I suspect, and DPM seems to have drifted away.

A few other "old timers" are out of the Access business, at least for now,
but they'll likely show up again if they begin to work more with "our
favorite database".

Maybe some just got "burned out" -- it happens to me, from time to time.
Newsgroups are the last thing to suffer, in my case, but I'm "on hiatus"
with presentations for my user group from July until November.

In regards to Tony's comment, not long ago, someone here (not an MVP)
suggested that if one wants to be an MVP, they ought to move to Utter
Access. And, it is true that in the last couple of years, a lot of new
Access MVPs have come via Utter Access -- and, from personal knowledge, they
are very well qualified. Frankly, I think that's because someone at
Microsoft took a look at Utter Access, and thought, "Wow, these folks are
good! I think I'll recommend to the MVP program that they take a look."

I have two personal acquaintances who are MVPs (one in Access, one in
ASP.NET) who are very much involved in the "user community" (both lead at
least one user group) but who rarely, if ever, post to any newsgroups.

Larry Linson
Microsoft Office Access MVP
Jun 27 '08 #4

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Hi Guys,

This may seem a little trite, but perhaps the feeling of a lack of
contribution by others is because the volume of information that is
already put forward is so comprehensive that most everything someone
can think of is already done and solved. Perhaps the saturation limit
is being reached?

The Frog
Jun 27 '08 #5

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On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 00:26:41 -0700 (PDT), The Frog
<Mr************@googlemail.comwrote:
>Hi Guys,

This may seem a little trite, but perhaps the feeling of a lack of
contribution by others is because the volume of information that is
already put forward is so comprehensive that most everything someone
can think of is already done and solved. Perhaps the saturation limit
is being reached?

The Frog
It's not so much the quantity of posts as it is the quality.
Many of the posted questions have been asked and answered may times before.
But the questioners' time is so valuable they can't afford to do any checking.
This news group is too convenient. "I have a problem. How to fix it? Thank
you. Goodby until my next problem." I'm amazed at the patience of the
knowledgable responders.

As for the answers to questions, the responders must be Houdinis. How in the
world they can decipher the meaning of some of the questions is beyond me. And
I make allowances for all the posters for whom English is obviously not their
primary language.

Chuck
--
Jun 27 '08 #6

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"Chuck" <li*****@schoollink.netwrote in message
news:bs********************************@4ax.com...
>
"I have a problem. How to fix it? Thank
you. Goodby until my next problem." I'm amazed at the patience of the
knowledgable responders.
I'm amazed at how many useful answers don't even receive a "thank you".

Keith.

Jun 27 '08 #7

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And I thought I was the only one who had this problem!

On Jun 2, 8:52*am, Chuck <libb...@schoollink.netwrote:
As for the answers to questions, the responders must be Houdinis. *How in the
world they can decipher the meaning of some of the questions is beyond me.
Jun 27 '08 #8

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>
It's not so much the quantity of posts as it is the quality.
Many of the posted questions have been asked and answered may times
before.
But the questioners' time is so valuable they can't afford to do any
checking.
Sure, time is valuable, but I find it sometimes difficult or apparently
impossible to find the right searchwords.
If you know the answer to your problem, ha , it is easy to find the words...
but if you're just puzzled or stunned, then it can be hard.
And then I'm most happy (and grateful) that there's a newsgroup where
patient people are willing to help.
Jun 27 '08 #9

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"lyle fairfield" <ly************@gmail.comschreef in bericht news:4d**********************************@m3g2000h sc.googlegroups.com...
My observation is that over the past few months many of our regulars
seems to be drifting away, making fewer contributions or none at all.

Why?

I can speculate:

1. The quality of questions here in CDMA has been low;
2. The regulars are busy with paying work;
3. Contributing to the MS groups may result in recognition in the form
of MVP status;
4. Long held ideas and reputations are sometimes challenged here.

Is CDMA withering?
Are you referring to some regulars here specifically ??
(I don't know if I am/was considered a regular ??)

For me, the 'PCD-annoyance' last year made me 'drift away' at least for some time.
After he was gone I was very tired indeed, but still a regular (daily) reader ...

I am very 'irregular' these days in answering questions.
I guess the quality of questions is a factor indeed (for me).
Once I thought this was a place merely for developers...
But lots of questions are really 'newbee' or just plain 'lazy' questions.

BTW: Good question Lyle ! ;-)

Arno R
Jun 27 '08 #10

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rkc
lyle fairfield wrote:
And I thought I was the only one who had this problem!

On Jun 2, 8:52 am, Chuck <libb...@schoollink.netwrote:
>As for the answers to questions, the responders must be Houdinis. How in the
world they can decipher the meaning of some of the questions is beyond me.
Thank you for years of enlightenment and entertainment.
Jun 27 '08 #11

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Lyle, I think you have come up with some excellent responses, over the
years, to posts which summarized to: "Something went wrong somewhere. How do
I fix it?"

Larry

"lyle fairfield" <ly************@gmail.comwrote in message
news:fd**********************************@a1g2000h sb.googlegroups.com...
And I thought I was the only one who had this problem!

On Jun 2, 8:52 am, Chuck <libb...@schoollink.netwrote:
As for the answers to questions, the responders must be Houdinis. How in
the
world they can decipher the meaning of some of the questions is beyond me.

Jun 27 '08 #12

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"Michiel Rapati-Kekkonen" <nn@nonsense.zzwrote:
>Sure, time is valuable, but I find it sometimes difficult or apparently
impossible to find the right searchwords.
That's a lot of what we do. We also add the helpful tips though. As in "You should
also consider ..."

I'm the same way when using a different product. For example I was trying to open a
second form from within VB 6.0. Simple you say. Hah! Couldn't find anything in VB
6.0 help. Finally did a groups google search and found the answer in 15 seconds.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
Jun 27 '08 #13

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On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 14:56:38 GMT, "Michiel Rapati-Kekkonen" <nn@nonsense.zz>
wrote:
>Sure, time is valuable, but I find it sometimes difficult or apparently
impossible to find the right searchwords.
If you know the answer to your problem, ha , it is easy to find the words...
but if you're just puzzled or stunned, then it can be hard.
And then I'm most happy (and grateful) that there's a newsgroup where
patient people are willing to help.
Amen. Been there many times. You can't ask the right questions if you don't
know the answers. The Access help files are bad, but not the worse offender.

Chuck
--
Jun 27 '08 #14

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You know, Keith, that's a great point. But, for me, the protocol's not
clear. I usually try to say "Thank you" when someone helps me. But
oftentimes I've asked myself, "Am I being annoying by posting a message with
just a 'thank you' in it? Am I clogging up the board needlessly? I don't see
a lot of other "thank you" posts out there." So it hasn't been clear to me
at least what the appropriate action would be -- to follow the natural
instinct (for me anyway) to say thanks; or to be mindful of lack of "thank
you" posts out there and say nothing. I'd actually appreciate feedback from
you or others re. this.

Neil
"Keith Wilby" <he**@there.comwrote in message
news:48**********@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
"Chuck" <li*****@schoollink.netwrote in message
news:bs********************************@4ax.com...
>>
"I have a problem. How to fix it? Thank
you. Goodby until my next problem." I'm amazed at the patience of the
knowledgable responders.

I'm amazed at how many useful answers don't even receive a "thank you".

Keith.

Jun 27 '08 #15

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"Neil" <no****@nospam.netwrote in message
news:ba*****************@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
I'd actually appreciate feedback from you or others re. this.
I like to get feedback as to whether or not I've helped and, if I have, a
quick "thank you" is appreciated. No clogging up from where I'm sitting.

Regards,
Keith.

Jun 27 '08 #16

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"Keith Wilby" <he**@there.comwrote in message
news:48**********@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
"Neil" <no****@nospam.netwrote in message
news:ba*****************@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
>I'd actually appreciate feedback from you or others re. this.

I like to get feedback as to whether or not I've helped and, if I have, a
quick "thank you" is appreciated. No clogging up from where I'm sitting.

Regards,
Keith.
Nor from where I'm sitting. It's actually an important part of the NG
'process' IMO. A quick 'thanks' lets lurkers know what worked. That's useful
information, not just trash that 'clogs up' the bandwidth.
Jun 27 '08 #17

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Often, when a questioner is presented with five possible solutions he
or she will make a choice based on personal comfort level rather than
effectiveness or efficiency. Lurkers may be misled.
The same problem can occur with Google's "rate this post" which
sometimes can be reduced to:
Did it make me feel good?

On Jun 3, 8:23*am, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.comwrote:
Nor from where I'm sitting. It's actually an important part of the NG
'process' IMO. A quick 'thanks' lets lurkers know what worked. That's useful
information, not just trash that 'clogs up' the bandwidth.
Jun 27 '08 #18

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I don't expect a thank-you on every answer, and think it might "clutter" the
newsgroup if every thread included one. There is no "protocol" or "rule" on
the subject. But as Lyle wrote, when there's more than one suggestion, it's
to the benefit of others to know which one was tried and worked.

And, I suppose it doesn't _hurt_ to have our egos stroked _once in a while_;
goodness knows there are plenty of posters who point out when a suggestion
doesn't work (I start from the assumption that's only because they still
need an answer, but it is clear that some are complaints from posters who
believe they are "entitled" to a correct answer on the first try).

Larry
"lyle fairfield" <ly************@gmail.comwrote in message
news:98**********************************@d1g2000h sg.googlegroups.com...
Often, when a questioner is presented with five possible solutions he
or she will make a choice based on personal comfort level rather than
effectiveness or efficiency. Lurkers may be misled.
The same problem can occur with Google's "rate this post" which
sometimes can be reduced to:
Did it make me feel good?

On Jun 3, 8:23 am, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.comwrote:
Nor from where I'm sitting. It's actually an important part of the NG
'process' IMO. A quick 'thanks' lets lurkers know what worked. That's
useful
information, not just trash that 'clogs up' the bandwidth.

Jun 27 '08 #19

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Keith Wilby wrote:
"Chuck" <li*****@schoollink.netwrote in message
news:bs********************************@4ax.com...
>>
"I have a problem. How to fix it? Thank
you. Goodby until my next problem." I'm amazed at the patience of the
knowledgable responders.

I'm amazed at how many useful answers don't even receive a "thank you".

Keith.
I appreciate validation when I've answered a complex question.

Some people may pose a complex question/problem and the time and effort
given by the responders to help the poster is amazing. In those
situations they deserve a thank you. Too often I see no response from
the OP.

Validation does help make the time spent on another person's issues
worthwhile. Regardless whether or not the person receives validation
one can learn a lot about Access from this group.

One motivating factor, for me in responding to others, is the excellent
help I received when I first started using Access and helped me get over
the learning curve.



Jun 27 '08 #20

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"Salad" <oi*@vinegar.comwrote in message
news:7J******************************@earthlink.co m...
>
One motivating factor, for me in responding to others, is the excellent
help I received when I first started using Access and helped me get over
the learning curve.
I'll second that.

Jun 27 '08 #21

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Thank you. :-)

"Keith Wilby" <he**@there.comwrote in message
news:48**********@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
"Neil" <no****@nospam.netwrote in message
news:ba*****************@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
>I'd actually appreciate feedback from you or others re. this.

I like to get feedback as to whether or not I've helped and, if I have, a
quick "thank you" is appreciated. No clogging up from where I'm sitting.

Regards,
Keith.

Jun 27 '08 #22

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Let me be clear: when there's some *content* to the message (such as this
worked, but the other didn't), I always post, and have no qualms about it. I
agree with you, that that's useful.

I'm referring here only to messages that say nothing but "Thank you." You
seem to be saying that you agree that a lot of those kinds of messages might
clutter the board (which is distinct from a "bandwidth" issue).
"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.notwrote in message
news:Wcc1k.3046$b_.2799@trnddc02...
>I don't expect a thank-you on every answer, and think it might "clutter"
the newsgroup if every thread included one. There is no "protocol" or
"rule" on the subject. But as Lyle wrote, when there's more than one
suggestion, it's to the benefit of others to know which one was tried and
worked.

And, I suppose it doesn't _hurt_ to have our egos stroked _once in a
while_; goodness knows there are plenty of posters who point out when a
suggestion doesn't work (I start from the assumption that's only because
they still need an answer, but it is clear that some are complaints from
posters who believe they are "entitled" to a correct answer on the first
try).

Larry
"lyle fairfield" <ly************@gmail.comwrote in message
news:98**********************************@d1g2000h sg.googlegroups.com...
Often, when a questioner is presented with five possible solutions he
or she will make a choice based on personal comfort level rather than
effectiveness or efficiency. Lurkers may be misled.
The same problem can occur with Google's "rate this post" which
sometimes can be reduced to:
Did it make me feel good?

On Jun 3, 8:23 am, "Stuart McCall" <smcc...@myunrealbox.comwrote:
>Nor from where I'm sitting. It's actually an important part of the NG
'process' IMO. A quick 'thanks' lets lurkers know what worked. That's
useful
information, not just trash that 'clogs up' the bandwidth.


Jun 27 '08 #23

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I think that's a good point, Salad, and maybe that's the answer: say thanks
for complex answers, but not for every answer. That may be a good balance
that keeps the board from being cluttered with a million "thank you" posts,
but still responds appropriately when someone is helpful on complex issues
at least.
"Salad" <oi*@vinegar.comwrote in message
news:7J******************************@earthlink.co m...
Keith Wilby wrote:
>"Chuck" <li*****@schoollink.netwrote in message
news:bs********************************@4ax.com.. .
>>>
"I have a problem. How to fix it? Thank
you. Goodby until my next problem." I'm amazed at the patience of the
knowledgable responders.

I'm amazed at how many useful answers don't even receive a "thank you".

Keith.

I appreciate validation when I've answered a complex question.

Some people may pose a complex question/problem and the time and effort
given by the responders to help the poster is amazing. In those
situations they deserve a thank you. Too often I see no response from the
OP.

Validation does help make the time spent on another person's issues
worthwhile. Regardless whether or not the person receives validation one
can learn a lot about Access from this group.

One motivating factor, for me in responding to others, is the excellent
help I received when I first started using Access and helped me get over
the learning curve.



Jun 27 '08 #24

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clogging up?
hm, in my opinion those thank-you's are neatly organised at the end of the
various threads
no harm in there

ha

michiel
"Neil" <no****@nospam.netwrote in message
news:Kx*****************@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
>I think that's a good point, Salad, and maybe that's the answer: say thanks
for complex answers, but not for every answer. That may be a good balance
that keeps the board from being cluttered with a million "thank you" posts,
but still responds appropriately when someone is helpful on complex issues
at least.
"Salad" <oi*@vinegar.comwrote in message
news:7J******************************@earthlink.co m...
>Keith Wilby wrote:
>>"Chuck" <li*****@schoollink.netwrote in message
news:bs********************************@4ax.com. ..
"I have a problem. How to fix it? Thank
you. Goodby until my next problem." I'm amazed at the patience of the
knowledgable responders.
I'm amazed at how many useful answers don't even receive a "thank you".

Keith.

I appreciate validation when I've answered a complex question.

Some people may pose a complex question/problem and the time and effort
given by the responders to help the poster is amazing. In those
situations they deserve a thank you. Too often I see no response from
the OP.

Validation does help make the time spent on another person's issues
worthwhile. Regardless whether or not the person receives validation one
can learn a lot about Access from this group.

One motivating factor, for me in responding to others, is the excellent
help I received when I first started using Access and helped me get over
the learning curve.




Jun 27 '08 #25

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Hi Guys,

I think Arno makes a valid point about the newbies. It seems that the
quality of post is really related to the quality of question, and as
earlier stated you need to know the answers before you can ask the
question!

Since this group caters to newbies and more experienced alike, there
will be a mix of posts of all types. I dont think however that this in
any way diminishes the quality of this group. Like Salad I have used
this group to bridge my knowledge over the years from complete newbie
to a competant and comfortable level. I certainly hope that this
fantastic opportunity exists in the future for others as it did for
me.

As for the thankyou's being posted: You can't really put a price on
manners can you?

So Thankyou guys, all who have helped. I for one and deeply
appreciative of the help provided. I hope that over time I can
contribute back and help others as I have been helped.

Cheers

The Frog
(Obviously not my real name - or so my mother tells me!)
Jun 27 '08 #26

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"Neil" <no****@nospam.netwrote in
news:ba*****************@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com:
"Am I being annoying by posting a message with
just a 'thank you' in it?
Yes, you are. If you want to thank the poster and have nothing to
add to "thank you", then send an email directly to that poster.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
Jun 27 '08 #27

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"Stuart McCall" <sm*****@myunrealbox.comwrote in
news:g2*******************@news.demon.co.uk:
"Keith Wilby" <he**@there.comwrote in message
news:48**********@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>"Neil" <no****@nospam.netwrote in message
news:ba*****************@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com.. .
>>I'd actually appreciate feedback from you or others re. this.

I like to get feedback as to whether or not I've helped and, if I
have, a quick "thank you" is appreciated. No clogging up from
where I'm sitting.

Nor from where I'm sitting. It's actually an important part of the
NG 'process' IMO. A quick 'thanks' lets lurkers know what worked.
That's useful information, not just trash that 'clogs up' the
bandwidth.
Well, if you're saying "yes, the solution you posted worked to
resolve my problem -- thanks!"

If all you post is "thank you" it's not clear whether you're being
polite or that the solution actually worked. I'd have no objection
to the post that confirms the solution and thanks the poster for it.

It's the plain "thank you" that is just a complete waste of time and
bandwidth, in my opinion.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
Jun 27 '08 #28

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"David W. Fenton" <XX*******@dfenton.com.invalidschreef in bericht news:Xn**********************************@64.209.0 .91...
"Neil" <no****@nospam.netwrote in
news:ba*****************@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com:
>"Am I being annoying by posting a message with
just a 'thank you' in it?
Yes, you are. If you want to thank the poster and have nothing to
add to "thank you", then send an email directly to that poster.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
As you know lots of posters here have a 'hidden' mail address (or a total invalid one) to prevent at least *some* spam
Should we send a thank you to XX*******@dfenton.com.invalid ??
Or to no****@nospam.net ??

So this answer is 'not-so-very-good' advice IMO.

Arno R
Jun 27 '08 #29

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"David W. Fenton" <XX*******@dfenton.com.invalidwrote in message
news:Xn**********************************@64.209.0 .91...
"Stuart McCall" <sm*****@myunrealbox.comwrote in
news:g2*******************@news.demon.co.uk:
>"Keith Wilby" <he**@there.comwrote in message
news:48**********@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
>>"Neil" <no****@nospam.netwrote in message
news:ba*****************@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com. ..
I'd actually appreciate feedback from you or others re. this.
I like to get feedback as to whether or not I've helped and, if I
have, a quick "thank you" is appreciated. No clogging up from
where I'm sitting.

Nor from where I'm sitting. It's actually an important part of the
NG 'process' IMO. A quick 'thanks' lets lurkers know what worked.
That's useful information, not just trash that 'clogs up' the
bandwidth.

Well, if you're saying "yes, the solution you posted worked to
resolve my problem -- thanks!"

If all you post is "thank you" it's not clear whether you're being
polite or that the solution actually worked. I'd have no objection
to the post that confirms the solution and thanks the poster for it.

It's the plain "thank you" that is just a complete waste of time and
bandwidth, in my opinion.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
I agree. You worded it much better than me. "thanks, that worked" hardly
seems worth it, but it's actually valuable feedback for lurkers and googlers
alike.

Plus, civility costs nothing, so why not be liberal with it?

Jun 27 '08 #30

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I find it amazing that people are actually complaining about being
thanked!
Jun 27 '08 #31

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The Frog wrote:
I find it amazing that people are actually complaining about being
thanked!
What's life without rewards.
Jun 27 '08 #32

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The Frog <Mr************@googlemail.comwrote in
news:d4**********************************@d45g2000 hsc.googlegroups.co
m:
I find it amazing that people are actually complaining about being
thanked!
Uh, when I'm reading a "thank you" to someone else, it's only
someone else's personal communication, not directed at me.

It has no place in the public forum, any more than any other
personal communication wouls.

However, if there is information added beyond the mere "thanks" then
that's OK with me.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
Jun 27 '08 #33

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Is CDMA withering?

As a reader - not a contributor of course - I don't remember when
exactly I started visiting
less and less to CDMA and why I hold myself from it. Nowadays I only
check ms groups.
But I do remember only few years back I rarely visited public access
and I would read only CDMA posts.
I found then everything here answers, new questions, OT chats,
gossips, trolls.
I think we readers followed not only the contributors but the head
actors as well.
Jun 27 '08 #34

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Hi David,

I understand your position on this, and perhaps in time people will
learn to write better quality thankyou's. I still feel that being
thanked is an important part of communication, regardless of its form,
and I am always appreciative of any thanks I get. If someone simply
wants to say thanks, then I can see no problem with that, even if it
is not overly specific in nature - it is the gesture that is
important. And after all, is this group not about communicating,
albeit topic specific, but communication is at the core? The more
thanks the merrier :-)

The Frog
Jun 27 '08 #35

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The Frog <Mr************@googlemail.comwrote in
news:ab**********************************@x41g2000 hsb.googlegroups.co
m:
I still feel that being
thanked is an important part of communication,
Well, of course it is, but it's a 1:1 communication, and thus
doesn't belong in the newsgroup.

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Jun 27 '08 #36

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