Hello,
Does anyone here have expreince with Dongles? Also has anyone every used
one with an Access application? I know very little about using them from a
development standpoint so I'm looking for resources.
Thanks!
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"Rico" <r c o l l e n s @ h e m m i n g w a y . c o mREMOVE THIS
PART IN CAPS> wrote in news:DQr3g.71820$P01.24423@pd7tw3no: Does anyone here have expreince with Dongles? Also has anyone
every used one with an Access application? I know very little
about using them from a development standpoint so I'm looking for
resources.
If you want people to not buy or use your application, or just hate
it, a dongle is a great idea!
--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
Rico wrote: Hello,
Does anyone here have expreince with Dongles? Also has anyone every used
one with an Access application? I know very little about using them from a
development standpoint so I'm looking for resources.
Google it. I got 1,800,000 hits on a "Dongles" search.
--
MGFoster:::mgf00 <at> earthlink <decimal-point> net
Oakland, CA (USA)
That's the problem, there are 1,800,000 unrelated hits. I'm looking for
someone with some experience using them.
"MGFoster" <me@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:DN*****************@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net... Rico wrote: Hello,
Does anyone here have expreince with Dongles? Also has anyone every used
one with an Access application? I know very little about using them from
a development standpoint so I'm looking for resources.
Google it. I got 1,800,000 hits on a "Dongles" search.
--
MGFoster:::mgf00 <at> earthlink <decimal-point> net
Oakland, CA (USA)
Search for dongle + "ms access" + experience 588 hits
Or search the *access*groups only http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do...%2B+experience
Arno R
"Rico" <r c o l l e n s @ h e m m i n g w a y . c o mREMOVE THIS PART IN CAPS> schreef in bericht news:c8x3g.72380$P01.26709@pd7tw3no... That's the problem, there are 1,800,000 unrelated hits. I'm looking for
someone with some experience using them.
"MGFoster" <me@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:DN*****************@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net... Rico wrote: Hello,
Does anyone here have expreince with Dongles? Also has anyone every used
one with an Access application? I know very little about using them from
a development standpoint so I'm looking for resources.
Google it. I got 1,800,000 hits on a "Dongles" search.
--
MGFoster:::mgf00 <at> earthlink <decimal-point> net
Oakland, CA (USA)
Thanks Arno, much better hits!
"Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:44**********************@text.nova.planet.nl. ..
Search for dongle + "ms access" + experience 588 hits
Or search the *access*groups only http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do...%2B+experience
Arno R
"Rico" <r c o l l e n s @ h e m m i n g w a y . c o mREMOVE THIS PART IN
CAPS> schreef in bericht news:c8x3g.72380$P01.26709@pd7tw3no... That's the problem, there are 1,800,000 unrelated hits. I'm looking for
someone with some experience using them.
"MGFoster" <me@privacy.com> wrote in message
news:DN*****************@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net... Rico wrote: Hello,
Does anyone here have expreince with Dongles? Also has anyone every
used
one with an Access application? I know very little about using them
from
a development standpoint so I'm looking for resources.
Google it. I got 1,800,000 hits on a "Dongles" search.
--
MGFoster:::mgf00 <at> earthlink <decimal-point> net
Oakland, CA (USA)
Have you experienced problems using one?
"David W. Fenton" <XX*******@dfenton.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xn**********************************@127.0.0. 1... "Rico" <r c o l l e n s @ h e m m i n g w a y . c o mREMOVE THIS
PART IN CAPS> wrote in news:DQr3g.71820$P01.24423@pd7tw3no:
Does anyone here have expreince with Dongles? Also has anyone
every used one with an Access application? I know very little
about using them from a development standpoint so I'm looking for
resources.
If you want people to not buy or use your application, or just hate
it, a dongle is a great idea!
--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
"Rico" wrote Have you experienced problems using one?
The problem is that users don't like them... they are a pain in the tender
areas if you have to plug them in and take them out when you are done; they
are no security if you leave them in. They are easy to lose if you are
trying to use them on a notebook or laptop computer. They are easy to forget
if you are using them on a desktop or under-desk machine.
If users don't like dongles and you require dongles to use your software,
those users are not going to buy/license your software if they have any
choice, and there's always a choice.
Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
"Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:44**********************@text.nova.planet.nl. ..
Search for dongle + "ms access" + experience 588 hits
Or search the *access*groups only http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do...%2B+experience
Arno, don't you realize that, according to PCD, you don't post anything
useful? If you keep doing so, it'll make him look even worse than he
ordinarily does.
Steve, here's a counterexample to your false claim that Arno R never posts
anything useful.
Larry Linson
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:09:07 GMT, "Rico" <r c o l l e n s @ h e m m i
n g w a y . c o mREMOVE THIS PART IN CAPS> wrote:
Yes I have. We used a product from Aladdin.com to protect a US$8,000
per seat application, and it worked as expected.
Unlike what some are reporting (not sure if they are stating their own
opinions, or that of their clients), the clients did NOT complain
about it. These dongles are pretty much idiot proof for end users,
especially the USB versions.
-Tom. Hello,
Does anyone here have expreince with Dongles? Also has anyone every used
one with an Access application? I know very little about using them from a
development standpoint so I'm looking for resources.
Thanks!
"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> schreef in bericht news:eiB3g.3969$yI1.1848@trnddc04... "Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:44**********************@text.nova.planet.nl. ..
Search for dongle + "ms access" + experience 588 hits
Or search the *access*groups only
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do...%2B+experience
Arno, don't you realize that, according to PCD, you don't post anything
useful? If you keep doing so, it'll make him look even worse than he
ordinarily does.
Steve is just a pathetic liar, as you undoubtedly know.
Let him howl at the moon!
BTW: IMO the StopThisAdvertising posts ar ealso useful.
Arno R
OK, smart A$$. Now show us the contributions he has made in the last three
months prior to this one.
"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in message
news:eiB3g.3969$yI1.1848@trnddc04... "Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:44**********************@text.nova.planet.nl. ..
Search for dongle + "ms access" + experience 588 hits
Or search the *access*groups only
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do...%2B+experience
Arno, don't you realize that, according to PCD, you don't post anything
useful? If you keep doing so, it'll make him look even worse than he
ordinarily does.
Steve, here's a counterexample to your false claim that Arno R never posts
anything useful.
Larry Linson
"Rico" <r c o l l e n s @ h e m m i n g w a y . c o mREMOVE THIS
PART IN CAPS> wrote in news:PJx3g.73258$WI1.32764@pd7tw2no: "David W. Fenton" <XX*******@dfenton.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xn**********************************@127.0.0. 1... "Rico" <r c o l l e n s @ h e m m i n g w a y . c o mREMOVE THIS
PART IN CAPS> wrote in news:DQr3g.71820$P01.24423@pd7tw3no:
Does anyone here have expreince with Dongles? Also has anyone
every used one with an Access application? I know very little
about using them from a development standpoint so I'm looking
for resources.
If you want people to not buy or use your application, or just
hate it, a dongle is a great idea!
Have you experienced problems using one?
No, because I'd never use any software that required it.
There are *no* circumstances where I'd do so, nor recommend such
software to my clients.
A dongle treats your customers as criminals, which is not a message
I'd think you'd want to send to the people who are paying you.
My assessment is that, in general, the amount of revenue lost to
piracy is always going to be less than the amount lost by
inconveniencing paying legitimate customers.
And on principle, the message copy protection methods send is bad in
all cases.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in
news:eiB3g.3969$yI1.1848@trnddc04: "Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:44**********************@text.nova.planet.nl. ..
Search for dongle + "ms access" + experience 588
hits Or search the *access*groups only
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=do...ccess%22++%2B+
experience
Arno, don't you realize that, according to PCD, you don't post
anything useful? If you keep doing so, it'll make him look even
worse than he ordinarily does.
Steve, here's a counterexample to your false claim that Arno R
never posts anything useful.
Larry, what purpose does posting this serve? It's addressed to no
one but Steve, so why did you not email it?
If for one don't give a rat's ass about the ongoing feud with Steve
and wish that people would let it go.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
Using dongles treats your customer as a criminal in the same way that stores
treat their customers, when utilizing electronic scanning devices at doors
to protect them from theft. The property belongs to you, and you have a
right to protect its distribution.
To the extent that the application contains proprietory business processes
(e.g. trading algorithms for a securities trading firm), the customer should
welcome (and may even require) such security measures.
Use of dongles is a business decision, which like many decisions, depends on
many factors.
Steven
"David W. Fenton" <XX*******@dfenton.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xn**********************************@127.0.0. 1... Have you experienced problems using one?
No, because I'd never use any software that required it.
There are *no* circumstances where I'd do so, nor recommend such
software to my clients.
A dongle treats your customers as criminals, which is not a message
I'd think you'd want to send to the people who are paying you.
My assessment is that, in general, the amount of revenue lost to
piracy is always going to be less than the amount lost by
inconveniencing paying legitimate customers.
And on principle, the message copy protection methods send is bad in
all cases.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
I have experienced dongles from the user end, and also had no issues or
complaints. That said, if given a choice, I would choose a similar
product WITHOUT the dongle over one with the dongle, even if it costs a
bit more. Reason #1 - the lost user dongle when we moved offices.
Using Tom's $8K per seat app, well, maybe we should have stayed in the
old office! Reason #2, hardware goes bad. I had a dongle break, and
it only takes one to make a user not like dongles. Finally, if more
than one app requires dongles, I have to track which dongle goes with
which app and what happens if I need multiple apps open simultaneously
-- extra money for a USB hub. Do dongles have some good uses? Yes, of
course they do, but unless you plan to make your app a per use license
(not per seat), I think you are more likely to alienate your users.
The app that I have with the per use license is perfect for what it
does, because it behaves like one of those copier keys that tracks how
many pages you copy. If you are limited to 10,000 copies, when your
key hits 10K, you're done copying. That is a sensible use for a
dongle, although even that use I wouldn't mind seeing disappear.
That's just my two cents, but it is only based on my own experiences
with dongles over the last six years.
- GH
"Steve" <st***@nospam.net> wrote To the extent that the application contains
proprietory business processes (e.g. trading
algorithms for a securities trading firm), the
customer should welcome (and may even
require) such security measures.
See my earlier post about _why_ customers/users do NOT "welcome" dongles --
they are either a massive pain in the tender places, or don't provide
much/any security if not. Customers often require security, but dongles
have such drawbacks as to be very poorly accepted.
The question was not about _security_ but about using _dongles_ to enforce
it.
Use of dongles is a business decision, which like
many decisions, depends on many factors.
I consider this in the easiest categories of business decision -- the user
dissatisfaction with such devices means I don't have to give it much thought
at all before rejecting it in favor of some other solution to the security
problem.
Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
What are some of the horrific drawbacks of having to plug in a USB device
(like a USB memory key) into a computer before running an application? Is
it any worse that Microsoft's activiation scheme (don't make too many
changes to your hardware configuration or oops, your operating system won't
run unless you call Microsoft)? Or how about those security devices (keeps
providing a secured code that you need read and then key-punch in) to access
secured web-sites?
Its a hardware device ... thats it. What are some of the major drawbacks
.... ESPECIALLY compared to other security schemes being used?????
Steven
"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in message
news:zFT6g.1270$IL2.1006@trnddc04... "Steve" <st***@nospam.net> wrote
To the extent that the application contains
proprietory business processes (e.g. trading
algorithms for a securities trading firm), the
customer should welcome (and may even
require) such security measures.
See my earlier post about _why_ customers/users do NOT "welcome"
dongles -- they are either a massive pain in the tender places, or don't
provide much/any security if not. Customers often require security, but
dongles have such drawbacks as to be very poorly accepted.
The question was not about _security_ but about using _dongles_ to enforce
it.
Use of dongles is a business decision, which like
many decisions, depends on many factors.
I consider this in the easiest categories of business decision -- the user
dissatisfaction with such devices means I don't have to give it much
thought at all before rejecting it in favor of some other solution to the
security problem.
Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
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