Proposal of Revision of CDMA newsgroup FAQ by Mike Noel

[pamelafluente]

With reference to the CDMA (computer.databases.ms-access) newsgroup
"charter", as posted on http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm, Mike
Noel has honored my just-created Forum of posting "a draft of what I
think the charter/faq should look like".

You can read the proposal here: http://datatime.forumup.it/
and crosspost your replies or suggestions.

Forum: GENERAL QUESTIONS and CHAT on Databases, Reporting, Data
Analysis, etc.
Post: "Revision of CDMA newsgroup FAQ"

-Pam
-----------------------------------
Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[Lyle Fairfield]

Great!

May I suggest that you and Mike prepare and publish a summary of your
CDMA contributions, the original solutions each of you has created, and
the major Access applications each of you has developed so that those
who are interested can have them as a background of information to help
them consider your recommendations?

BTW, you might like to consider runing your site's script and HTML
through a spell-checker.

[Tim Marshall]

pa***********@libero.it wrote:

With reference to the CDMA (computer.databases.ms-access) newsgroup
"charter", as posted on http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm, Mike
Noel has honored my just-created Forum of posting "a draft of what I
think the charter/faq should look like".

I gave up reading when Mike started going on about the mvp site
faq/charter being fake.

Here we go, welcome to another netloon to cdma...
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[David W. Fenton]

pa***********@libero.it wrote in
news:11**********************@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:

With reference to the CDMA (computer.databases.ms-access)
newsgroup "charter", as posted on
http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm, Mike Noel has honored
my just-created Forum of posting "a draft of what I think the
charter/faq should look like".

You can read the proposal here: http://datatime.forumup.it/
and crosspost your replies or suggestions.

Forum: GENERAL QUESTIONS and CHAT on Databases, Reporting, Data
Analysis, etc.
Post: "Revision of CDMA newsgroup FAQ"

Discussions of the newsgroup charter belong IN THE NEWSGROUP.

I'm not about to go to some other site to read about it.

And if there's a vote, I'll vote NO, without ever having read it,
precisely because it's being proposed IN THE WRONG WAY.

Newsgroups are self-governing, and charter change discussions should
not happen anywhere except where the users of the newsgroup see the
pertinent discourse.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

[Randy Harris]

"David W. Fenton" <XX*******@dfenton.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:Xn**********************************@127.0.0. 1...

pa***********@libero.it wrote in
Discussions of the newsgroup charter belong IN THE NEWSGROUP.

Amen!

--
Randy Harris
tech at promail dot com
I'm pretty sure I know everything that I can remember.

[pamelafluente]

Lyle Fairfield ha scritto:

Great!

May I suggest that you and Mike prepare and publish a summary of your
CDMA contributions, the original solutions each of you has created, and
the major Access applications each of you has developed so that those
who are interested can have them as a background of information to help
them consider your recommendations?

I may have written in my life more code than you can even dream of.
BTW, you might like to consider runing your site's script and HTML
through a spell-checker.

- " runing " ?
- do you spell-check html?

I will certainly do, as you put the thing so politely. Actually, the
only time I do not make errors while writing in a language different
from my native one is when I am being watched by the VS compiler. But
this luckily occurs about 16 hours a day.
I am just wondering about how many words you would get right, should
you write my site in Italian :-)

Un caro saluto,

-Pam

-----------------------------------
Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[Lyle Fairfield]

pa***********@libero.it wrote:

I may have written in my life more code than you can even dream of.

You may have. Please, direct me to the links where I can see some of it.

[pamelafluente]

We are going out of topic, but ... thank you very much for offering me
the chance.

I will just give a pointer to the latest one, which is about 2 million
lines of code (.NET). If they don't suffice to you, just tell me, I
have a few dozen projects more I have been working on.... I don't want
look like I am doing any advertisement...

http://cam70.sta.uniroma1.it/TechnicalPreview/

A presto,

-Pam

-----------------------------------
Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[Tim Marshall]

pa***********@libero.it wrote:

http://cam70.sta.uniroma1.it/TechnicalPreview/

Pam, first of all, I wouldn't get too encouraged by Mike Noel's support
- he's not posted much and when he has he's run afoul of some of the
bigger guns here (though to be honest, I'm not sure why his utility
aroused so much controversy).

However, going off on a tangent, and perhaps bringing this closer to
something on Topic, I quickly skimmed through a few pages of the URL you
provided. Is Data Time a sort of Crystal Reports sort of thing?

On the site, you're using it, I think, against a Jet database file, the
Northwind sample. Does it work against MS SQL, Oracle and other
database systems?

--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[Lyle Fairfield]

The creation of two millions lines of code is quite impressive. In a
normal work year of about 200 days one would average ten thousand lines
of code per day to accomplish that.

And you have a few dozen more!?

So you have been writing code for dozens of years, or your daily output
is several times greater than ten thousand lines per day. I'm
impressed! I have never approached ten thousand lines of code in a day.

And it's easy to see why you have seldom visited CDMA to offer your
assistance. How could one when one is so busy?

But I am puzzled. Despite writing these vast collections of code, you
have contributed very little of it to Usenet over your name (as posted
here), but have contented yourself with asking some basic and simple
questions in other Newsgroups; none of these has anything to do with
MS-Access.

What is your interest in MS-Access?

[pamelafluente]

Ok do we really want to go off topic and amuse and entertain our
friends with our funny battle when they take a rest from their work?
Are you sure you want to engage in a fight of logic with me? I dont'
suggest you to do so...

The creation of two millions lines of code is quite impressive. In a
normal work year of about 200 days one would average ten thousand lines
of code per day to accomplish that.
I did not say that was a one year work. So what?
And you have a few dozen more!?
I did not say all works have the same number of lines of code. So what?
So you have been writing code for dozens of years, or your daily output
is several times greater than ten thousand lines per day. I'm
impressed! I have never approached ten thousand lines of code in a day.
False inference based on nothing. Congratulations on your logic.
And it's easy to see why you have seldom visited CDMA to offer your
assistance. How could one when one is so busy?
Yes right. I work averagely 16 hours a day in front of a compiler. And,
further, I am thinking to maintain a Forum to please and support even
guys like you :-)
But I am puzzled. Despite writing these vast collections of code, you
have contributed very little of it to Usenet over your name (as posted
here), but have contented yourself with asking some basic and simple
questions in other Newsgroups; none of these has anything to do with
MS-Access.
Why are you puzzled? That's just a consequence. You really lack any
logic. I suggest to try to spend more time with a compiler: it's a good
teacher.
What is your interest in MS-Access?

It's just one of the platform I work with.

Aren't you tired by being beaten by a girl? I hope you don't use your
undeniable logic in your work! :-)

Non ti arrabbiare, si scherza! :-) Un bacione.

-Pam

-----------------------------------
Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[pamelafluente]

Tim Marshall ha scritto:

pa***********@libero.it wrote:

http://cam70.sta.uniroma1.it/TechnicalPreview/
Pam, first of all, I wouldn't get too encouraged by Mike Noel's support
- he's not posted much and when he has he's run afoul of some of the
bigger guns here (though to be honest, I'm not sure why his utility
aroused so much controversy).

Well, I dont' know about that. But I am beginning with pleasure to get
to know some of them. I really enjoy talking with you guys!
However, going off on a tangent, and perhaps bringing this closer to
something on Topic, I quickly skimmed through a few pages of the URL you
provided. Is Data Time a sort of Crystal Reports sort of thing?

Well I would hope it is better. More similar to BO, but much more
friendly. It's something which I do not consider finished, even though
it does a lot of things, and for which I am welcoming users'
suggestions. It's a completely new reporting engine which has emphasis
on visual aspects such as alarms [or you may call it conditional
formatting] (within the reports) and charts. I still do not have a
complete documentation on the site, so people who are using it are kind
of pioneers.
Right know I am adding schedule (both for Reports and LoadTask)
features. This has been requested by many user. I have prepared a nice
visual interface for scheduling (something on the lines of Shareaza,
but slightly better and more powerful) and I am going to deliver it
shortly.

On the site, you're using it, I think, against a Jet database file, the
Northwind sample. Does it work against MS SQL, Oracle and other
database systems?
Yes, it works with that and many more platforms. Must be sure you
preliminarly install:

-Framework (1.1)
-MDAC

In case you work with Oracle also:

-OLEdb client interface (freely downloadable from Oracle site)

This is explained on the documentation. I am available at any time to
support any user or to add any feature is requested. All free, clearly.

-Pam

-----------------------------------
Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[David W. Fenton]

pa***********@libero.it wrote in
news:11**********************@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com:

Lyle Fairfield ha scritto:

Great!

May I suggest that you and Mike prepare and publish a summary of
your CDMA contributions, the original solutions each of you has
created, and the major Access applications each of you has
developed so that those who are interested can have them as a
background of information to help them consider your
recommendations?

I may have written in my life more code than you can even dream
of.

Uh, I wouldn't bet on it.

Lyle is REALLY OLD!

And he's quite an accomplished coder, one of the most respected in
this newsgroup (and rightly so, whatever my personal disagreements
with him on individual subjects may be).

You now look like you're spoiling for a fight. Disengage your own
aims from this other guy -- he's going to drag you down in the muck
if you hitch your wagon to his troublemaking agenda.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

[Lyle Fairfield]

I confess:
I think you have no interest in Access at all.
I think your forum announcement is a ploy to advertise "Data Time".
As I am not macho, I do not mind being beaten by a girl. I have known
many girls, but I have not known any who would say, "Aren't you tired
by being beaten by a girl?" Is this important in your culture? In my
culture this question is likely to come from an insecure man.
I think you have few or no skills in Access. If you do, please, show
them by answering some questions here.

When I paste "Lyle Fairfield" Ms-Access into the Google Search bar and
click GO I get:
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,970 for "Lyle Fairfield" Ms-Access. (0.39
seconds)

When I paste "Pamela Fluente" Ms-Access into the Google Search bar and
click GO I get:
Your search - "Pamela Fluente" Ms-Access - did not match any documents.

Your work in Ms-Access has not received its due.

[David W. Fenton]

pa***********@libero.it wrote in
news:11**********************@g14g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:

Non ti arrabbiare, si scherza! :-) Un bacione.

You can't just post rude things and then say "just joking!!!!"

That reply to Lyle makes you look like a non-sincere participant
here.

You implied certain things and he was just poking at the
implications to draw out the truth.

I think you should quit posting now before you land in most people's
killfiles. You're pretty close to mine if you don't change your tune
quickly.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

[pamelafluente]

Dear David,

So, really some of you guys want to see the malice everywhere. You
cannot imagine someone who is moved by something different from money.
You do have the arrogance to tell another person he should shut up or
quit posting. You can write all the charters you want but, I ensure you
this is not the Internet Philosophy. Anyone on the net is entitled to
his/her opinion, "right" or "wrong" it may be.

Just to make things precise, Datatime is produced within a University
and it's not even sure, as far as I know, it will evolve, in the
future, into a commercial product. So far anyone could use it
absolutely for FREE and as far as I can see, at least from my wage, it
has been a major investment. And chance there is that it will even go
into the GNU project. The Forum *also* serve as support to Datatime
users. What's wrong with that? This NOT currently a commercial product
and I do not really need to advertise that product, which is not even
mine, I am just paid to write code (by a person whose ideals are by far
beyond your imagination, I guess). I do believe it's a good product
and it has a future, because I have seen it grow during the years.

It's all free. None is going to ask you money. And chance there is that
you may even end up by getting some. If you come I am happy. If you
don't, you will be welcome at any time later on.

Having said that, I will *not* post any further on this thread which is
going off topic, and I do think, to give my little contribution to the
discussion, that rule must exist but their applications must be guided
by common or good sense.

Clearly, you all are invited to the Forum, You can chat on reporting
topics, You can post freely your Announcements (without polluting the
CDMA!), You can post your Professional Curriculum and, if you will, you
can freely use Datatime, with free support for any problem. It's all
free. And this is a fact.

Now, I am really sorry I must go back to work. It has been a pleasure
to interact with you guys and, by the way, If anyone got offended,
please, don't be, because that would be the exact contrary of my will.
If I am challenged, I like to fight, but there is nothing personal. We
know we all have some good reasons to say what we say and to do what we
do. So actually everyone here is right. Fighting is just a game and,
somehow, an illusion....What is that compared with the infinite sorrow
that is in the world? And, finally, don't picture me as that young,
because I am not, although I would like! :-)

Happy coding!

-Pam

[Danny J. Lesandrini]

Pam, how old are you?

I've noticed that you've twice used an expression like the one below. I'm 46
and I have a vast imagination ... not to mention experience. Little surprises me,
with the possible exception of G.W.s incompetence.

Only a young thing believes they and their circle are the end all. The older I
get, the more I realize how many imaginative, intelligent people I haven't met.
--
Danny J. Lesandrini
<pa***********@libero.it> wrote ...

Dear David,
.... mine, I am just paid to write code (by a person whose ideals are by far
beyond your imagination, I guess).

[David W. Fenton]

pa***********@libero.it wrote in
news:11**********************@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com:

So, really some of you guys want to see the malice everywhere. You
cannot imagine someone who is moved by something different from
money.
Did you read my posts? It sounds like you didn't, because I have
basically been supporting your right to post the announcement.

However, when you start attacking people on the basis of coding
skills and experience, then you're into a completely different
ballgame. The post to which you're replying here was about this
latter topic, because you're starting to go off into looking like
someone spoiling for a fight, rather than just someone trying to be
helpful.
You do have the arrogance to tell another person he should shut up
or quit posting. . . .
I didn't say that. I suggested that you stop posting comments that
criticized other people's skills, as though there were some test
that posters had to take to be eligible to post in the newsgroup.
. . . You can write all the charters you want but, I ensure you
this is not the Internet Philosophy. Anyone on the net is entitled
to his/her opinion, "right" or "wrong" it may be.
Of course you're entitled to your opinion -- I did not say you were
not.

Of course, you can post whatever you like -- I did not say that you
could not.

And, of course, I also have the right criticize what you've posted
as much as I want. So does everyone else.

Criticism is not the same thing as telling you not to post.

And perhaps you misunderstood my intention when I wrote:

I think you should quit posting now before you land in most
people's killfiles.

I meant that to apply to the subthread in which it was posted, where
you were trying to one-up Lyle in the area of experience. *That*
topic is unprofitable for everyone, and it was on that topic that I
was suggesting you cool it and let it go.
Just to make things precise, Datatime is produced within a
University and it's not even sure, as far as I know, it will
evolve, in the future, into a commercial product. So far anyone
could use it absolutely for FREE and as far as I can see, at least
from my wage, it has been a major investment. And chance there is
that it will even go into the GNU project. The Forum *also* serve
as support to Datatime users. What's wrong with that? This NOT
currently a commercial product and I do not really need to
advertise that product, which is not even mine, I am just paid to
write code (by a person whose ideals are by far beyond your
imagination, I guess). I do believe it's a good product and it
has a future, because I have seen it grow during the years.
Er, what does this have to do with anything? I've not questioned any
of it, and I don't know what it has to do with the discussion. You
dragged it out as an example of how much coding you've done, but I'm
arguing that how much coding you've done is completely meaningless.

In other words, I'm actually siding with *you* in opposition to
Lyle's implicit claim that you have to have posted substantial
amounts of useful code to have a right to post an announcement of
your forum into the newsgroup. I would say that someone who has
never written even one line of VBA code (or any other kind of code)
has the right to create an Access forum and announce it in this
newsgroup, and not be accused of having bad motives or of violating
the newsgroup's charter.

I'm on your side on the basic issue.

Where I differ is in the direction you've been going in response to
Lyle's challenge.
It's all free. None is going to ask you money. And chance there is
that you may even end up by getting some. If you come I am happy.
If you don't, you will be welcome at any time later on.

It doesn't apply to your forum, but advertising is advertising, even
if one needn't pay for the advertised product, so "free" isn't
really relevant. And the charter says as much, if I'm not mistaken.

As to everything else, I'm sorry you've gotten your knickers in a
twist over this whole thing. It seems to me that much of your
reaction is based on misunderstandings of what your responders were
trying to tell you.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
usenet at dfenton dot com http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/

[Tom van Stiphout]

On 3 Feb 2006 15:32:10 -0800, "Lyle Fairfield" <ly***********@aim.com>
wrote:

If I were you I'd take the kiss and leave it at that :-)
-TOm.

I confess:
I think you have no interest in Access at all.
I think your forum announcement is a ploy to advertise "Data Time".
As I am not macho, I do not mind being beaten by a girl. I have known
many girls, but I have not known any who would say, "Aren't you tired
by being beaten by a girl?" Is this important in your culture? In my
culture this question is likely to come from an insecure man.
I think you have few or no skills in Access. If you do, please, show
them by answering some questions here.

When I paste "Lyle Fairfield" Ms-Access into the Google Search bar and
click GO I get:
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,970 for "Lyle Fairfield" Ms-Access. (0.39
seconds)

When I paste "Pamela Fluente" Ms-Access into the Google Search bar and
click GO I get:
Your search - "Pamela Fluente" Ms-Access - did not match any documents.

Your work in Ms-Access has not received its due.

[Tim Marshall]

David W. Fenton wrote:

As to everything else, I'm sorry you've gotten your knickers in a
twist over this whole thing. It seems to me that much of your
reaction is based on misunderstandings of what your responders were
trying to tell you.

All due respect to Larry (for whom I have a great deal), but I think the
whole thing kind of went south when Larry responded about her original
post and the tone was set there - I don't blame her for being defensive,
though it's a pity she seemed to take comfort in the support of someone
who has also fallen afoul of the big guns here.

I'm pretty anal retentive myself about newsgroup nettiquette and
self-policing (I've seen some very, very excellent NG in the rec.games
and sci. hierarcht reduced to nothing because some trolls were
encouraged by lack of remonstration and solid contributers escaped to
Yahoo groups and web moderated forums). However, I think the
interpetation of Pamela's announcement about the rather interesting Data
Time was perhaps a bit too strict.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

[PC Datasheet]

Twice now in this thread you refer to "the big guns". Who are these "big
guns"?

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1100 users have come to me from the newsgroups requesting help
re******@pcdatasheet.com

"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurplePandaChasers.Moertherium> wrote in message
news:ds**********@coranto.ucs.mun.ca...

David W. Fenton wrote:

As to everything else, I'm sorry you've gotten your knickers in a
twist over this whole thing. It seems to me that much of your
reaction is based on misunderstandings of what your responders were
trying to tell you.

All due respect to Larry (for whom I have a great deal), but I think the
whole thing kind of went south when Larry responded about her original
post and the tone was set there - I don't blame her for being defensive,
though it's a pity she seemed to take comfort in the support of someone
who has also fallen afoul of the big guns here.

I'm pretty anal retentive myself about newsgroup nettiquette and
self-policing (I've seen some very, very excellent NG in the rec.games and
sci. hierarcht reduced to nothing because some trolls were encouraged by
lack of remonstration and solid contributers escaped to Yahoo groups and
web moderated forums). However, I think the interpetation of Pamela's
announcement about the rather interesting Data Time was perhaps a bit too
strict.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

[Tim Marshall]

PC Datasheet wrote:

Twice now in this thread you refer to "the big guns". Who are these "big
guns"?

Subjective and depends on the time frame reference, but in the modern
day context, I'd say anything over 105mm, which resticts it to the
current generation of Rheinmetall 120mm smooth bores and whoever makes
the British and Indian 120mm rifled barrels. And of course, the 125mm
genre of Soviet era main armament prevalent in surplus Warsaw Pact and
modern day Russian development.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

[Larry Linson]

"PC Datasheet" wrote

Twice now in this thread you refer to "the
big guns". Who are these "big guns"?

Probably a misspelling, Steve, of "Big Goons". Didn't you label Tim and
others as being "Arno R's Goons"?

[mike noel]

Also depends on whether you're talking land or naval. 105 is pretty
small for ship board. Battleships were typically 300+ mm...

Tim Marshall wrote:

PC Datasheet wrote:

Twice now in this thread you refer to "the big guns". Who are these
"big guns"?

Subjective and depends on the time frame reference, but in the modern
day context, I'd say anything over 105mm, which resticts it to the
current generation of Rheinmetall 120mm smooth bores and whoever makes
the British and Indian 120mm rifled barrels. And of course, the 125mm
genre of Soviet era main armament prevalent in surplus Warsaw Pact and
modern day Russian development.

[PC Datasheet]

A goon is a low life, but a liar is even lower than goon!!!
"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in message
news:86eFf.7016$In4.2648@trnddc06...

"PC Datasheet" wrote

Twice now in this thread you refer to "the
big guns". Who are these "big guns"?

Probably a misspelling, Steve, of "Big Goons". Didn't you label Tim and
others as being "Arno R's Goons"?

[Tim Marshall]

Larry Linson wrote:

Probably a misspelling, Steve, of "Big Goons". Didn't you label Tim and
others as being "Arno R's Goons"?

Oh oh, Mr Linson, I am hereby serving notice that you tried to
subcontract goons from Arno. I move that you be banned from usenet and
given a foreign key of 0.

8)

--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

[Tim Marshall]

mike noel wrote:

Also depends on whether you're talking land or naval. 105 is pretty
small for ship board. Battleships were typically 300+ mm...

8)

Very true. On the other hand, though, I meant to specify by today's
standard... I think the Iowa class BBS have finally been decomissioned,
no? Not sure what modern day frigates et al have, I think the Canadian
City class frigates have a relatively small 50mm cannon or something
around that size.

I was a tanker and tanks are my frame of reference, anyway.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

[Arno R]

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> schreef in bericht news:Ar*******************@newsread3.news.atl.eart hlink.net...

A goon is a low life, but a liar is even lower than goon!!!

In that case I wonder how low one can go Steve ...
I guess you beat them all!

I might add another page totally dedicated to your lies.
http://home.tiscali.nl/arracom/whoissteve.html

Arno R

[PC Datasheet]

I'm calling you to be man enough to toe the line and backup your two
references to people you call "big guns". Who are these people?

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1100 users have come to me from the newsgroups requesting help
re******@pcdatasheet.com

"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurplePandaChasers.Moertherium> wrote in message
news:ds**********@coranto.ucs.mun.ca...

PC Datasheet wrote:

Twice now in this thread you refer to "the big guns". Who are these "big
guns"?

Subjective and depends on the time frame reference, but in the modern day
context, I'd say anything over 105mm, which resticts it to the current
generation of Rheinmetall 120mm smooth bores and whoever makes the British
and Indian 120mm rifled barrels. And of course, the 125mm genre of Soviet
era main armament prevalent in surplus Warsaw Pact and modern day Russian
development.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

[Tim Marshall]

PC Datasheet wrote:

I'm calling you to be man enough to toe the line and backup your two
references to people you call "big guns". Who are these people?

You claim to participate in the newsgroups, so you know the big guns in
any group are those who contribute the most. Simply sort your
newsreader by sender and see for yourself.

Toe the line? hahahahahahahahahahahaha *YOU* are asking someone to tow
the line? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Excuse me?

TOE THE LINE?

Tea pot, meet kettle. Incroyable!

Someone who has behaved the way you have on this forum have a nerve to
use the term "man". I'm afraid I've probably done far more in my life
that might be classified as "being a man" than you ever have and suffer
post-traumatic stress syndrome as a result.

Steve, you're trolling with someone who has indeed made some shots at
your advice recently and in the past but has also tried to view your
participation in a positive light in the past as well.

Now, if you wish to address me further, do it in terms of cdma or else
go chew on a chair leg.

--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

[pamelafluente]

Don't worry you guys. I am watching you. I have lost any hope to see
you go back to the topic and I have the premonition this will be a long
.... thread.

A curiosity, what does "Toe the line" means and why is it so funny? I
am envious you are having such a good time here and I would like to
understand more.

Actually I also made a laugh at my forum where one said that perhaps
you have been "smoking" too many "joins". Funny ah?

Actually as a first time reader I am also curious to see who these big
guns are here, but I don't think we will never know.
Actually I don't know how much one would feel honored to be defined a
"big gun" ... on ACCESS.

Have a good time here!

-Pam

Grazie Tim e David per la solidarieta!

------------------------
-Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[Randy Harris]

Hi Pam,

"Toe the line" is slang, it means to behave properly. Tim found it
supremely ironic, as will many other newsgroup regulars, that PC Datasheet
instructed him to "toe the line". PC Datasheet has been the poster child
for poor citizenship on this newsgroup for quite some time.

Big gun, also, is slang. In the way it was used here, it refers to those
individuals who are knowledgeable and contribute regularly to help others on
the newsgroup. They know who they are, not because of any sort of
proclamation, but simply because of their contributions. It is common
knowledge among those who read the postings regularly. There is no "list"
of such individuals. The closest thing to such a list is the MVP status
that some of them have been given, but there are many "big guns" who are not
MVPs.

Hope this helps!

--
Randy Harris
tech at promail dot com
I'm pretty sure I know everything that I can remember.
<pa***********@libero.it> wrote in message
news:11**********************@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Don't worry you guys. I am watching you. I have lost any hope to see
you go back to the topic and I have the premonition this will be a long
... thread.

A curiosity, what does "Toe the line" means and why is it so funny? I
am envious you are having such a good time here and I would like to
understand more.

Actually I also made a laugh at my forum where one said that perhaps
you have been "smoking" too many "joins". Funny ah?

Actually as a first time reader I am also curious to see who these big
guns are here, but I don't think we will never know.
Actually I don't know how much one would feel honored to be defined a
"big gun" ... on ACCESS.

Have a good time here!

-Pam

Grazie Tim e David per la solidarieta!

------------------------
-Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[pamelafluente]

Randy Harris ha scritto:

Hi Pam, ....
Hope this helps!

Very much indeed Randy. When there is some verbal fight one learns a
lot of uncommon and slang expressions! It's very funny for me to follow
it. You are an angel!

Un bacione.

-Pam

------------------------
-Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[PC Datasheet]

Pam,

It's characteristic for small-minded people to go about making statements
that bolster their own egos in some way. In other words, they like to hear
themselves speak or will say anything just to get an audience. "Toe the
line" comes from somewhere in antiquity where a man was going about saying
ill of another man and the man be spoken ill of would draw a line in the
sand and challenge the one speaking ill to stand with his toe on the line
and say what he was going around saying to the face of the man spoken ill
of. It was a challenge to test the courage and fortitude of the one "with
the big mouth". "Toe the line" today is used in the same sense in politics
and debate. When a party makes statements that are deemed to be nothing but
self-serving, another party will challenge him to make those statements on a
debate stage in front of an audience that will judge the merit of the
statements as well as the forthrightness of the speaker. The debate stage
has a white line painted on the floor and the protocol is for the party to
stand at the white line and make his statements. Thus he "toes the line". If
the party can not "toe the line" and backup his statements, it clearly
demonstrates that the party is small-minded, anything said by the party has
no credibility and that all along he has been nothing but a squaking parrot.
Tim will not name the persons he calls "big guns" in the newsgroup so he is
nothing but a squaking parrot! All you have to do is look at his goofy
signature line.

There is a misspelling in the line from your forum, "smoking" too many
"joins". The last word should be "joints". A "joint" is slang for a
marijuana cigarette. So being accused of "smoking" too many "joints" implies
irrational thinking after your brain has been fried from marijuana.

"Big gun" is slang and is actually a compliment. In the sense that it is
being used here, it refers to someone knowledgable in Access. So here it
would be an honor to be recognized as a "big gun" in the Access newsgroup.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1100 users have come to me from the newsgroups requesting help
re******@pcdatasheet.com

<pa***********@libero.it> wrote in message
news:11**********************@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Don't worry you guys. I am watching you. I have lost any hope to see
you go back to the topic and I have the premonition this will be a long
... thread.

A curiosity, what does "Toe the line" means and why is it so funny? I
am envious you are having such a good time here and I would like to
understand more.

Actually I also made a laugh at my forum where one said that perhaps
you have been "smoking" too many "joins". Funny ah?

Actually as a first time reader I am also curious to see who these big
guns are here, but I don't think we will never know.
Actually I don't know how much one would feel honored to be defined a
"big gun" ... on ACCESS.

Have a good time here!

-Pam

Grazie Tim e David per la solidarieta!

------------------------
-Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[pamelafluente]

Hei, Thank you very much for the explanations: very interesting indeed
!! I am almost convinced to have also a forum on English language and
expressions!

yes! the signature:

/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

I was just wondering what that could mean. What's "Ditto"? I think I
have seen it somewhere else. Seems some joke, but it's hard for me to
get it.

The "joins" thing it is not a mispelling. It is supposed to be a play
on word, since here you talk a lot of "joins. And "join" is similar to
"joint" (we say "canna", "spinello"). That's why I think it's funny.

I think we have a similar word for "big guns", that is "grossi
calibri", but there could be some slight difference in the way it is
used.

I know it is normally an honor, but I was myself doing a kind of
"insulting" joke, meaning that even if one is a big gun in Access,
that's not a big deal, considering the role of this platform in the
RDBMS scenario.

But I guess I didn't succeed in being funny. It's hard to play jokes in
another language!
Un caro saluto,

-Pam
------------------------
-Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[PC Datasheet]

<<Someone who has behaved the way you have on this forum have a nerve to
use the term "man". >>

The bottom line of this thing about me is that I am now being condemned for
offering AND providing help to users in the newsgroups during the past many
years. Are you juging this not to be "manly" behavior?

<< I'm afraid I've probably done far more in my life that might be
classified as "being a man" than you ever have>>

You don't know anything at all about me personally but yet you feel you can
unequivocally make this statement. It just goes to show you are quick to
make immature baseless judgements. What you say has no more merit than a
squaking parrot. Again, I challenge you to toe the line and backup the above
statement.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1100 users have come to me from the newsgroups requesting help
re******@pcdatasheet.com

"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurplePandaChasers.Moertherium> wrote in message
news:ds**********@coranto.ucs.mun.ca...

PC Datasheet wrote:

I'm calling you to be man enough to toe the line and backup your two
references to people you call "big guns". Who are these people?

You claim to participate in the newsgroups, so you know the big guns in
any group are those who contribute the most. Simply sort your newsreader
by sender and see for yourself.

Toe the line? hahahahahahahahahahahaha *YOU* are asking someone to tow
the line? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Excuse me?

TOE THE LINE?

Tea pot, meet kettle. Incroyable!

Someone who has behaved the way you have on this forum have a nerve to use
the term "man". I'm afraid I've probably done far more in my life that
might be classified as "being a man" than you ever have and suffer
post-traumatic stress syndrome as a result.

Steve, you're trolling with someone who has indeed made some shots at your
advice recently and in the past but has also tried to view your
participation in a positive light in the past as well.

Now, if you wish to address me further, do it in terms of cdma or else go
chew on a chair leg.

--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

[Tim Marshall]

pa***********@libero.it wrote:

yes! the signature:

/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto
They are my parrots and some of the things they say or sounds they make.

The reason "toe the line" is so funny is because Steve has demanded I do
it but obviously does not know what it means. Steve, you see, regularly
flaunts the accepted behaviour of this newsgroup. Find a post from Arno
on this thread and view Steve's sordidness.

In other words, Steve has shown himself incapable of "toeing the line"
on cdma.
considering the role of this platform in the
RDBMS scenario.

You have not only shown yourself to be a bumbler on this group, but now
you're being rude (and actually quite ignorant).

I had actually considered presenting your site URL to a very large group
of users (2000+) of a highly successful computerized maintenance
management system that is used throughout North america and Europe and
which uses Omnis, Oracle, or MS SQL as the database engine. Most of
these users belong to hospital, university, college and school system
maintenance organizations and there are two major airlines involved.

You may note I expressed an interest in Data Time. It seems to me it
could be a possible alternative/complementary tool to Brio, Crystal,
Access and other interfaces we use for performing analysis and reports
on our data.

Unfortunately, it is a fact that one's behaviour reflects upon the
organization or system one represents. In the post I am quoting you
have behaved like a represensible horse's ass.

I have therefore dismissed the validity and usefulness of Data Time and
will not recommend my colleagues investigate it.

You've turned the this thread into a train wreck. At first, I felt it
was because Larry might have been a little too harsh on you. Given your
behaviour here, you have reaped what you sown.

Please go back to your very believable 2 million lines of codes. If you
continue to behave the way you do, I will go back to your site, and find
someone who might care and let her/him know of the great disservice you
have done to their efforts on this newsgroup.

Thank you in advance.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

[Tim Marshall]

PC Datasheet wrote:

You don't know anything at all about me personally but yet you feel you can
unequivocally make this statement.
*YOU* came up with the charge of being "man enough", son. I've seen
enough of, and in some cases am haunted nightly by, men and women
performing under far more pressure than any newsgroup flame war and know
that people who behave the way you have are *not* "men" or actually
"adults" in the connotation *YOU* used to begin with.

Don't take pets out of the cage that you don't know how to handle.
Again, I challenge you to toe the line and backup the above
statement.

I suggest you try to understand what the term "toe the line" means. It
has nothing whatsoever to do with the way you are trying to use it.

It is therefore an absolute hilarity to see *you* demand someone to
behave ACCORDING TO ACCEPTABLE STANDARDS (ie, "toe the line").

Steve, none of us knows you personally, that is true. So why do you
think everyone is commenting on your behaviour? Is it some form of
electronic imperfect sympathy? I would suggest it has something to do
with YOUR behaviour.

Regardless of how you may be in person, here on cdma, you are and have
been behaving like a contemptuous low life with no respect for others or
the forum you frequent.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto

[Larry Linson]

"PC Datasheet" wrote

A goon is a low life, but a liar is even lower than goon!!!

What about being classified as a Goon by a Liar Who Stiffs His
Subcontractors?

[Arno R]

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> schreef in bericht news:Is******************@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...

Again, I challenge you to toe the line and backup the above
statement.

<. . .sigh . . .>

Hey Steve, what is your sleazy 'case' here this time?
I have been calling you like a thousand times to backup your lies...
"Still waiting... " remember?

Arno R

[pamelafluente]

Tim, I have thanked you for Your support.

I have also explained clearly it was a goliardic joke and, clearly each
member of this group knows exactly the respective role of each RDBM,
and is able to tell the difference between the reality an a joke.

But, note that you are now making unexpectedly heavy personal offences.
- Saluti a tutti,

-Pam

considering the role of this platform in the
RDBMS scenario.
You have not only shown yourself to be a bumbler on this group, but now
you're being rude (and actually quite ignorant).

....
You may note I expressed an interest in Data Time. It seems to me it
could be a possible alternative/complementary tool to Brio, Crystal,
Access and other interfaces we use for performing analysis and reports
on our data. ....
In the post I am quoting you have behaved like a represensible horse's ass.

I have therefore dismissed the validity and usefulness of Data Time and
will not recommend my colleagues investigate it. -.. Please go back to your very believable 2 million lines of codes. If you
continue to behave the way you do, I will go back to your site, and find
someone who might care and let her/him know of the great disservice you
have done to their efforts...

[Lyle Fairfield]

pa***********@libero.it wrote:

I have also explained clearly it was a goliardic joke and, clearly each
member of this group knows exactly the respective role of each RDBM,
and is able to tell the difference between the reality an a joke.

"Toe the Line": The term is really a corruption of Johnny Cash's song,
"I'll Walk the Line". Here are the lyrics, abridged for you, Pamela.

I'll keep a close watch on this site of thine.
I'll keep my eyes wide open all the time.
I'll keep my ears wide open for your lyin'.
Because you're swine, I'll walk the line.

I find it very, very easy to be mad.
You've denigrated Access and that's very bad
I believe you do not know it's just a RAD
Because you're swine, I'll walk the line.

As sure as night is dark except for the moonlight,
Both your boasts and claims are really out of sight.
And the record here sure proves that I am right.
Because you're swine, I'll walk the line.

You've got a way to keep me harping on your case.
You've given me cause for distrust that I can taste,
For you mention many credits I can't trace.
Because you're swine, I'll walk the line.

I'll keep a close watch on this site of thine
I'll keep my eyes wide open all the time.
I'll keep my ears wide open for your lyin'
Because you're swine, I'll walk the line.

[pamelafluente]

Tim,

One thing, if the purpose of that vulgar attack was to provoke a
reaction at the same level, please, always bear in mind, for future
reference, that I may not be able to express myself at that level.

If one wants to challenge me on technical questions, programming,
logics, mathematics he is welcome and I will be happy respond (if I
have the chance).

Further, do you really think that anyone could take seriously, o make
business, with a man capable to speak that way to a woman? Or do you
feel free to speak like that just because you are hiding behind a
pseudonym?
Lyle,

Nice lyrics dear! Have you devised it for me? Beautiful though: I am
going to use it on my computer. I am loading Cubase right now...
Un caro saluto ad entrambi. Anche Tim non è che se lo merita tanto...
:-) e un bacio a Lyle.

-Pam
------------------------
-Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[pamelafluente]

Ah, almost forgot, Lyle solo un piccolissimo appunto:

I have noticed that you have systematically mispelled a line,
substituting "mine" with "swine". Don't worry, I understand it's just a
freudian lapsus.
Sometimes, the environment where they live, does have influence on
persons.

[PC Datasheet]

Pam,

You are now seeing the so called "big guns" (MVPs???) at their best. Add
Tim's tirade to his goofy signature line and see what you get. Don't be
surprised when you see Larry Linson next followed by John Marshall, Keith
Wilby, Randy Harris and Arno R.

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
Over 1100 users have come to me from the newsgroups requesting help
re******@pcdatasheet.com


<pa***********@libero.it> wrote in message
news:11**********************@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
Tim,

One thing, if the purpose of that vulgar attack was to provoke a
reaction at the same level, please, always bear in mind, for future
reference, that I may not be able to express myself at that level.

If one wants to challenge me on technical questions, programming,
logics, mathematics he is welcome and I will be happy respond (if I
have the chance).

Further, do you really think that anyone could take seriously, o make
business, with a man capable to speak that way to a woman? Or do you
feel free to speak like that just because you are hiding behind a
pseudonym?
Lyle,

Nice lyrics dear! Have you devised it for me? Beautiful though: I am
going to use it on my computer. I am loading Cubase right now...
Un caro saluto ad entrambi. Anche Tim non è che se lo merita tanto...
:-) e un bacio a Lyle.

-Pam
------------------------
-Pamela
Data Time Forum
http://datatime.forumup.it/

[Lyle Fairfield]

PC Datasheet wrote:

You are now seeing the so called "big guns" (MVPs???) at their best. Add
Tim's tirade to his goofy signature line and see what you get. Don't be
surprised when you see Larry Linson next followed by John Marshall, Keith
Wilby, Randy Harris and Arno R.

They are all very bad people, Pam.

They have been known to help thousands of people with Access problems
(you know, Pam, Access, the platform whose developers you want to help
but which you denigrate) for free; they don't lie or cheat or advertise
their compendium of other people's work. They treat everyone the same
regardless of sex or environment. (Several who are female would be very
disappointed if they were not treated as anyone else). Few of them have
written several dozen million lines of code. Not one is aquainted with
any person whose ideals are by far beyond David's imagination. Their
logic is so poor that the programs they have written manage millions of
dollars of resources on three continents. And this newsgroup is largely
controlled by this dastardly group.

I very strongly recommend that you stay away from these people, Pam.
Maybe you could start up an e-mail relationship with Steve (he loves
getting e-mail at his office) instead of hanging around here; he has
thousands of extremely grateful and happy clients, so you can count on
his influence. I know you're extremely good at writing code; perhaps,
he will sub-contract some work to you. Yes! I think that's a fine idea!

[Lyle Fairfield]

Well I had to turn off spell check which kept substituting "a bitch"
for it.

[Randy Harris]

You are mistaken. That is neither the origin, nor the meaning of "toe the
line".

[Larry Linson]

Pamela,

What I objected to was "unsolicited advertising" as described in the FAQ and
having brought that to your attention, I consider that a "closed issue".

I have no objection to your creating a forum. I have no comments good or
bad, about Data Time. And I know you do not have to have any particular
"credentials" to post here*.

In fact, I wish you well with your site/forum -- if it supports Access, that
will be a good thing for the Access user community.

And, hey, if you visit here, really contribute, and help people by answering
their questions, you might get what is currently the ultimate honor in this
newsgroup -- to be named by PC Datasheet as "One of Arno R's Goon Squad".

Larry Linson

[Arno R]

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> schreef in bericht news:ti*****************@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

You are now seeing the so called "big guns" (MVPs???) at their best. Add
Tim's tirade to his goofy signature line and see what you get. Don't be
surprised when you see Larry Linson next followed by John Marshall, Keith
Wilby, Randy Harris and Arno R.

Maybe you can reconsider your own 'goofy' siglines Steve?
It is very obvious to anyone that those figures are not real at all.
-- 1100 'real' questions about databases ??
-- Doing business for about 4-5 years ??
-- That means an average of at least 220 databases each year...
-- that's about 5 each week ...

Only studying the specs for any new project will take me about a day...
But now we know *why* you went crazy ?

Arno R