To All

[PC Datasheet]

A person going by Arno R has been harassing me and other responders to the
newsgroups. In the past he has posted slanderous obscenities about
responders and now this is his new bag of tricks. He is a small-minded
individual with low self esteem and continually looking for a means to make
himself look like a big person, the god of the newsgroups. Here is how he
responds to the question of who monitors the newsgroups:

FYI Steve:
*I* am monitoring this group (and other groups ...)

Arno R

Ignore him!

I am in business to provide customers with a resource for help with
Microsoft Access, Excel and Word
applications. I provide help for a very reasonable fee. Sometimes when I
respond to a poster with a complex problem, I usually outline to him what
needs done then offer my help as an alternative. The following is a quote
from a recent poster to a newsgroup who contacted me with his problem:
"Hey, nothing wrong with letting people know you can help them for problems
that go beyond the scope of a volunteer discussion group. Rookies like me
sometimes expect miracles on those types of websites and that just isn't
reality." And a poster who contacted me, paid me for some help and then
said:
"Wow. This is nice. Very nice. This should help us immensely! Thank you
so much for your help."

Ignore Arno R and eventually he will go away!

Steve
PC Datasheet
re******@pcdatasheet.com

[Keith]

"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurplePandaChasers.Moertherium> wrote in message
news:d8**********@coranto.ucs.mun.ca...

Keith wrote:

Maybe Michael Jackson should publish his autobiography about now then ;-)

Yes, after his trial, it sounds as if he might need it, especially if he
wants any more of the plastic surgery he so desperately needs....

Selling that pesky Beatles back-catalogue currently cluttering up his living
room floor should help.

[Tim Marshall]

PC Datasheet wrote:

So, you are not man enough to apologize and retract your statements!!

Burp-burp-beep-beep

I am actually. It turns out I *was* wrong about you asking questions
and answering them. So I'm sorry about that.

However, it took a question to Arno to determine that. And as he said,
it was pretty easy to misinterpret your female personae with the PC
Datasheet sig as the behaviour I was wrongly describing.

All you did was shout invective and insults all over the place and made
yourself look further like an ass. So really, your behviour over your
indignation with being caught out had nothing to do with it. You're
still violating the charter and that's what this is all about.

Now, are you "man enough" to apologize for your advertizing and
violation of the group charter? Or will you still feign innocence.

The issue is your advertizing, including repackaging responses from cdma
and other places and selling it for $125.

Now behave and participate properly in the newsgroup.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[PC Datasheet]

Who is the ass?

You fabricated a statement which you finally admitted was not true. Now what
facts do you base this latest statement on:
"including repackaging responses from cdma"?

Steve
"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurplePandaChasers.Moertherium> wrote in message
news:d8**********@coranto.ucs.mun.ca...

PC Datasheet wrote:

So, you are not man enough to apologize and retract your statements!!

Burp-burp-beep-beep

I am actually. It turns out I *was* wrong about you asking questions
and answering them. So I'm sorry about that.

However, it took a question to Arno to determine that. And as he said,
it was pretty easy to misinterpret your female personae with the PC
Datasheet sig as the behaviour I was wrongly describing.

All you did was shout invective and insults all over the place and made
yourself look further like an ass. So really, your behviour over your
indignation with being caught out had nothing to do with it. You're
still violating the charter and that's what this is all about.

Now, are you "man enough" to apologize for your advertizing and
violation of the group charter? Or will you still feign innocence.

The issue is your advertizing, including repackaging responses from cdma
and other places and selling it for $125.

Now behave and participate properly in the newsgroup.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[Tim Marshall]

PC Datasheet wrote:

Who is the ass?

You fabricated a statement which you finally admitted was not true. Now what
facts do you base this latest statement on:
"including repackaging responses from cdma"?

It's time for you to smarten up and be honest and participate honestly
in the group Steve. You were repackaging code from many free sources
and trying to sell it for $125 dollars which was a particularly slimey
thing to do.

Now, you got your apology. I suggest you start adhering to the
newsgroup charter. What you're doing now is text book psych - you've
latched onto something and are doing everything you can to deflect
attention from your misbehaviour.

I ask again, using your own words: are you "man enough" to apologize to
the group for your behaviour?
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[Tim Marshall]

PC Datasheet wrote:

You fabricated a statement which you finally admitted was not true. Now what
facts do you base this latest statement on:
"including repackaging responses from cdma"?

Jan 25 of this year you wrote:

"I have been collecting Access procedures from here, there and
everywhere for
a long time. They are in a folder on my harddrive and each procedure is a
Word file. There must be arounf 1000 files. The procedures are all indexed
by category and all you need to do is go to the folder, select a category
and you get a list of files. A sample is shown below. If this would be of
help to you, I will sell you a CD containing all the procedures for $125.
Email me at my email address below if you are interested. "

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...e7bfca5e913266

This is unscrupulous at best, trying to make money off procedures people
have offered here as help.

Now, I've provided a full example of your dishonesty, especially so
given the quote above from your last post in which you dissemble innocence.

Now, I'm done with you in this thread.

Continue to howl at the moon Steve, but I'm closing my window.

--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[PC Datasheet]

I don't deny that post! But where does it say that I repackaged responses
from cdma? You fabricated another statement!! And don't fall back on the
word "here". "here, there and everywhere" is a colloquial expression.
Steve
"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurplePandaChasers.Moertherium> wrote in message
news:d8**********@coranto.ucs.mun.ca...

PC Datasheet wrote:

You fabricated a statement which you finally admitted was not true. Now what facts do you base this latest statement on:
"including repackaging responses from cdma"?
Jan 25 of this year you wrote:

"I have been collecting Access procedures from here, there and
everywhere for
a long time. They are in a folder on my harddrive and each procedure is a
Word file. There must be arounf 1000 files. The procedures are all indexed
by category and all you need to do is go to the folder, select a category
and you get a list of files. A sample is shown below. If this would be of
help to you, I will sell you a CD containing all the procedures for $125.
Email me at my email address below if you are interested. "

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...sg/d9e7bfca5e9
13266
This is unscrupulous at best, trying to make money off procedures people
have offered here as help.

Now, I've provided a full example of your dishonesty, especially so
given the quote above from your last post in which you dissemble innocence.
Now, I'm done with you in this thread.

Continue to howl at the moon Steve, but I'm closing my window.

--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[PC Datasheet]

You'll find some of the same code in Ken Getz's Access Developer's Handbook,
F. Scott Barker's Access Power Programming and Alison Balter's Using
Microsoft Access. Are you saying that this was a particuarly slimy thing for
them to do?

--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
re******@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurplePandaChasers.Moertherium> wrote in message
news:d8**********@coranto.ucs.mun.ca...

PC Datasheet wrote:

Who is the ass?

You fabricated a statement which you finally admitted was not true. Now what facts do you base this latest statement on:
"including repackaging responses from cdma"?

It's time for you to smarten up and be honest and participate honestly
in the group Steve. You were repackaging code from many free sources
and trying to sell it for $125 dollars which was a particularly slimey
thing to do.

Now, you got your apology. I suggest you start adhering to the
newsgroup charter. What you're doing now is text book psych - you've
latched onto something and are doing everything you can to deflect
attention from your misbehaviour.

I ask again, using your own words: are you "man enough" to apologize to
the group for your behaviour?
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[David C. Holley]

*THAT* is nothing but plgarism and FRAUD. As this forum does not require
a FEE to join, it is implied that any code posted here is *FREE* to the
general public. I have half the mind to figure out which state that
you're in and call the Attorney General and see if they're willing to
take legal action and throw your ass into jail.

If this would be of
help to you, I will sell you a CD containing all the procedures for $125.
Email me at my email address below if you are interested. "

[PC Datasheet]

For your information, Tim Marshall fabricated the statement that I
repackaged responses from cdma. Read my post carefully; nowhere does it say
that I repackaged responses from cdma.

You'll find some of the same code in Ken Getz's Access Developer's Handbook,
F. Scott Barker's Access Power Programming and Alison Balter's Using
Microsoft Access. Is it your opinion that these works are "nothing but
plgarism and FRAUD"?
"David C. Holley" <Da**********@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:uS*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

*THAT* is nothing but plgarism and FRAUD. As this forum does not require
a FEE to join, it is implied that any code posted here is *FREE* to the
general public. I have half the mind to figure out which state that
you're in and call the Attorney General and see if they're willing to
take legal action and throw your ass into jail.

David H

Jan 25 of this year you wrote:

"I have been collecting Access procedures from here, there and
everywhere for
a long time. They are in a folder on my harddrive and each procedure is a Word file. There must be arounf 1000 files. The procedures are all indexed by category and all you need to do is go to the folder, select a category and you get a list of files. A sample is shown below. If this would be of help to you, I will sell you a CD containing all the procedures for $125. Email me at my email address below if you are interested. "

[Arvin Meyers]

This discussion about plagiarism and fraud is making me very uncomfortable.
I hate to say it but many of us at CDMA got our start that way. In fact
several of the founding members of CDMA are famous plagiarists and frauds,
and some of us are still stealing other peoples stuff. I don't know about
making money off it though. I can't imagine anybody dumb enough to pay for
code from CDMA.

Anyway please knock it off. I'm an MVP now and I'm trying to be a good boy,
but this discussion is giving me an upset stomach.

Thanks!

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:58*****************@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

For your information, Tim Marshall fabricated the statement that I
repackaged responses from cdma. Read my post carefully; nowhere does it
say
that I repackaged responses from cdma.

You'll find some of the same code in Ken Getz's Access Developer's
Handbook,
F. Scott Barker's Access Power Programming and Alison Balter's Using
Microsoft Access. Is it your opinion that these works are "nothing but
plgarism and FRAUD"?
"David C. Holley" <Da**********@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:uS*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

*THAT* is nothing but plgarism and FRAUD. As this forum does not require
a FEE to join, it is implied that any code posted here is *FREE* to the
general public. I have half the mind to figure out which state that
you're in and call the Attorney General and see if they're willing to
take legal action and throw your ass into jail.

David H

> Jan 25 of this year you wrote:
>
> "I have been collecting Access procedures from here, there and
> everywhere for
> a long time. They are in a folder on my harddrive and each procedure is a > Word file. There must be arounf 1000 files. The procedures are all indexed > by category and all you need to do is go to the folder, select a category > and you get a list of files. A sample is shown below. If this would be of > help to you, I will sell you a CD containing all the procedures for $125. > Email me at my email address below if you are interested. "
>
>

[Stephen Lebans]

Please note that this post is a forgery with Don Mellon impersonating
Arvin Meyer.

--

Stephen Lebans
http://www.lebans.com
Access Code, Tips and Tricks
Please respond only to the newsgroups so everyone can benefit.
"Arvin Meyers" <no****@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:1118806786.e21db1b89f9251f0a80733514306a5d5@t eranews...

This discussion about plagiarism and fraud is making me very uncomfortable. I hate to say it but many of us at CDMA got our start that way. In fact several of the founding members of CDMA are famous plagiarists and frauds, and some of us are still stealing other peoples stuff. I don't know about making money off it though. I can't imagine anybody dumb enough to pay for code from CDMA.

Anyway please knock it off. I'm an MVP now and I'm trying to be a good boy, but this discussion is giving me an upset stomach.

Thanks!

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:58*****************@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

For your information, Tim Marshall fabricated the statement that I
repackaged responses from cdma. Read my post carefully; nowhere does it say
that I repackaged responses from cdma.

You'll find some of the same code in Ken Getz's Access Developer's
Handbook,
F. Scott Barker's Access Power Programming and Alison Balter's Using
Microsoft Access. Is it your opinion that these works are "nothing but plgarism and FRAUD"?
"David C. Holley" <Da**********@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:uS*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

*THAT* is nothing but plgarism and FRAUD. As this forum does not require a FEE to join, it is implied that any code posted here is *FREE* to the general public. I have half the mind to figure out which state that
you're in and call the Attorney General and see if they're willing to take legal action and throw your ass into jail.

David H

> Jan 25 of this year you wrote:
>
> "I have been collecting Access procedures from here, there and
> everywhere for
> a long time. They are in a folder on my harddrive and each

procedure is a

> Word file. There must be arounf 1000 files. The procedures are

all indexed

> by category and all you need to do is go to the folder, select a

category

> and you get a list of files. A sample is shown below. If this

would be of

> help to you, I will sell you a CD containing all the procedures

for $125.

> Email me at my email address below if you are interested. "
>
>

[Neil]

Steve, Steve, Steve:

I knew you were a liar and a cheat; but this has crossed the line. You're
either a pathological liar or delusional. I hope it's the former; but I'm
starting to believe it's the latter.

I'll address what you write below and provide support from our e-mail
exchange in 2001.

(For the sake of those of you reading this, I will only provide excerpts
from e-mail where appropriate, If anyone wants to see the original e-mails,
I will send them to you upon request to nr*@nrgconsult.com.)

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:61****************@newsread1.news.atl.earthli nk.net...

Here's the other half of the Neil Ginsberg story ---

I contacted Ginsberg about doing some work for me. He gave me a fixed cost
quote of $500. I thought that that was somewhat high and he said a fixed
cost bid is always high to guarantee that it covers the job. He then said
that he would work at an hourly rate and guaranteed me the project cost
would be lower. I accepted his proposal. Sometime later I checked back
with
him to see what progress he had made and was informed that he was only
half
done and his hourly fees at that point were at $750. Nothing had changed
in
the specs for what needed done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to
figure
that the final cost was going to be near $1500. That is triple his fixed
cost quote. He had guaranteed me the project cost would be lower than
$500.
His guarantee was worthless and he never contacted me in regards to the
amount of time he was purportedly expending on the project. He kept my
initial deposit of $375 and I got a half done project whose finished cost
was suppose to be less than $500.

Steve
You originally said (E-mail 1):
All I need then is your estimate of the number of hours. I don't need a
formal quote, just a short email is enough.
Please note the word "estimate."

I replied (E-mail 2) with an outline of what I would do, along with a couple
of notes about items I had questions about and which would not be included
in the estimate. The estimate given was $500.

You then replied (E-mail 3):
Thank you for the quote! Your solution looks like what I need so I am
definitely going ahead with it. I got your email regarding your hourly
rate and estimate of hours and will go with you doing it on an hourly
basis.
Please note again the word "estimate" there and the note that it would be
done on an "hourly basis."

Continuing in the same e-mail from you:
Before starting I want to finalize the specs and your estimate of the
hours. I have some additions. Let me know if you can do them and what
you now estimate for total hours.
Note again the word "estimate" from you when asking for my new estimate.

A few days later, you wrote (E-mail 4):
Thanks for the analysis and suggestions!! Here are my responses to your
last round of questions and comments. I'm ready to go if you have all
the information you need. Please give me your new estimate of time
(probable and conservative) so I know approximately what your fees will
be and then I'll give you the green light. Thanks again for all the
effort you are putting into this.
Please note here that you again use the word "estimate" when asking for my
new estimate; that you ask for a range ("probable and conservative"), not a
fixed amount; and that you state that you want to know "approximately" what
my fees will be.

So, let's recap here a bit.

1) In your recent post to the newsgroup (quoted above), you wrote:
I contacted Ginsberg about doing some work for me. He gave me a fixed cost
quote of $500.
That's obviously not true. Time and again in our exchange we discussed an
"estimate" for the work. Nowhere was a fixed amount mentioned.

2) You then wrote:
I thought that that was somewhat high and he said a fixed
cost bid is always high to guarantee that it covers the job. He then said
that he would work at an hourly rate and guaranteed me the project cost
would be lower.
That doesn't even make sense. If one were to guarantee a cost, then it would
be a fixed cost, not an estimate. Furthermore, in e-mails 3 and 4, above,
you ask for a "new estimate" based on additions you made. How can even one
who is delusional think that a new estimate based on additions would be
lower than the original estimate??

3) You continued:
I accepted his proposal. Sometime later I checked back with
him to see what progress he had made and was informed that he was only
half
done and his hourly fees at that point were at $750. Nothing had changed
in
the specs for what needed done.
That part about it being "half done" is a lie -- but I'll get back to that
later. Regarding what you wrote:

"Nothing had changed in the specs for what needed done."

Clearly that's a lie. In e-mail 3, above, you write:
Before starting I want to finalize the specs and your estimate of the
hours. I have some additions. Let me know if you can do them and what
you now estimate for total hours.
Clearly, by your own admission, you had made additions to what was used for
the original estimate of $500, and that estimate was no longer valid, and
you were seeking a new one.

4) You concluded:
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure
that the final cost was going to be near $1500. That is triple his fixed
cost quote. He had guaranteed me the project cost would be lower than
$500.
His guarantee was worthless and he never contacted me in regards to the
amount of time he was purportedly expending on the project. He kept my
initial deposit of $375 and I got a half done project whose finished cost
was suppose to be less than $500.
I think this shows how good you are at persuading people (and I empathize
with those who are trying to point out your follies to this newgroup and get
your slick, snake oil responses). I'll address this in a bit. But I wanted
to point out that part about "He had guaranteed me the project cost would be
lower than $500." I don't see how anyone with half a brain can sincerly
believe that. Clearly you have half a brain. That means (again) that you're
either a pathological liar or delusional.

Continuing.......

I then sent you an e-mail with terms, and you replied agreeing to those
terms (E-mail 5). The second paragraph of those terms clearly stated:

"An estimate of hours would be provided before the start of the project.
The estimate is by no means a fixed price or upper limit. It is merely an
estimate of the hours to perform the work. If a change in the estimate
is required, no work will be performed beyond the original estimate without
express approval."

These were the terms that you agreed to in your e-mail (in addition to the
previous e-mails which reference the "estimate"). And now you say I
guaranteed you a fixed price for the job? Snake oil, Steve; snake oil.

After you replied to my additional questions (E-mail 4), I replied to your
response with a revised outline and some additional questions (E-mail 6). In
that e-mail I wrote:
Right now it looks like an additional 2-3 hours from my original estimate,
based on the items above with revision number incrementing on new records
as
well as old, and with the caption document as-is with mail merge fields.
But
I'll give you an "official" revised estimate on the next round when there
are no more outstanding issues.
You then replied to my questions (E-mail 7) and said
Please proceed with this project. Email me your mailing address and I
will put a deposit of $300 in the mail to you. Can you have it done by
the end of next week?

My answers to your last round of questions is below. If there are any
new issues or outstanding issues, email them to me and I will reply back
to your email.

I then replied (E-mail 8) to your responses with some additional questions,
and stated:
Assuming that Option 2 is a go, the revised estimate is 3-5 hours above
the
original estimate (8-12 hours), making the new estimate 11-17 hours.
Please
confirm.
I also wrote:
The end of next week [3/16/01] looks good as a timeframe to get it done
by.
On 3/16 you wrote asking what the status of the project was (E-mail 9). I
replied (E-mail 10) that I would be working on it over the weekend, and
should have it to you by that Monday (3/19).

That day and over the weekend we went back and forth a couple of times,
ironing out the last technical details.

That Monday at 3:30 a.m. I sent you the database with an e-mail (E-mail 11)
explaining some points, and noting that a few minor issues (a couple of
buttons for existing routines, along with one new routine) needed to be
completed, and that there was a little bit of testing that still needed to
be done. But the database was mostly (90%) complete.

At 3:40 a.m. I sent you an e-mail (E-mail 12) with a summary of the hours
worked. The total hours worked at that point was 13.2 -- well within the
range of the revised estimate (11-17 hours) that you had agreed to.

That morning, you replied with some technical issues related to the database
I had just sent you. We went back and forth a few times in e-mail, and at
5:05 p.m. that day I sent you a revised database (E-mail 13).

After more discussion (presumably by phone, since I don't have e-mails of
it), I sent you another version of the database at 1:47 a.m. on 3/20 (E-mail
14). This was after you were able to review and note issues with two
previous versions, all of which I addressed.

That morning you sent me an e-mail stating that you were "pulling the plug"
on the project; that you would not pay me for my time; and that you wanted
your $300 deposit (not $375) back. I sent you a final invoice that afternoon
for 18.4 hours (slightly over the estimate, so you were within your rights
to only pay for 17 hours, since I hadn't gotten explicit permission for the
additional hour, since it was the end of the project and it was only an
hour). You replied (E-mail 15) that I was "in breach of contract for failure
to provide a finished product and failure to deliver that product as
promised on March 16."

So, getting back to what you wrote recently.....

1) You wrote:
Sometime later I checked back with
him to see what progress he had made and was informed that he was only
half
done and his hourly fees at that point were at $750. Nothing had changed
in
the specs for what needed done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to
figure
that the final cost was going to be near $1500.
a) The database was 90% complete. A rocket scientist would have put the
estimate at $835. But, apparently, you're not a rocket scientist.

b) As noted, much had changed in the specs for the original estimate of
$500. The revised estimate, which had been agreed upon was $765.
That is triple his fixed
cost quote. He had guaranteed me the project cost would be lower than
$500.
c) As noted above, that's a lie.
His guarantee was worthless and he never contacted me in regards to the
amount of time he was purportedly expending on the project.
d) The fictitious guarantee that it would be lower than $500 is your
delusion. And I did contact you with a summary of hours when I initially
delivered the database, which was within the estimate had I provided.
He kept my initial deposit of $375
and I got a half done project whose finished cost
was suppose to be less than $500.
e) It was a $300 deposit; the database was 90% done; and the revised
estimate was $765.

If you were really were concerned about the cost, as your bogus figures here
would lead one to believe, then you could have said that you didn't want to
pay over the 17 hours that we had agreed upon, and given me the option to
just finish up the hour or so that was left to do at that rate. I probably
would have agreed to do that. But since cost wasn't really the issue, that
wasn't an option for you.

But your original pretext was different. Originally, as noted above (E-mail
15), you wrote that the reason was that I was "in breach of contract for
failure to
provide a finished product and failure to deliver that product as promised
on March 16." What I find interesting about that is:

a) There was no agreement to deliver the product by March 16 (you asked if I
could have it by that day, and I said it "looked good for that date" --
hardly a binding agreement!).

b) When I wrote you on March 16 (E-mail 10) stating that I would have the
database to you by Monday, you not say that that was unacceptable.

c) If you were so concerned about the March 16 deadline, then why didn't you
pull the plug on March 17 when the database wasn't delievered? Why did you
wait until after I worked on it some more over the weekend; then delievered
it to you early in the morning Monday, March 19; then gave your feedback and
received another version from me later that day; then gave more feedback and
received another version from me early on March 20; then said you were
pulling the plug for not delivering it on March 16, and wouldn't pay for my
work? Why, if the supposed March 16 deadline was the issue, did you wait
until after you received the database on March 19-20 before telling me you
were cancelling the contract for not meeting the March 16 deadline, and
wouldn't be paying me for my work? Because that wasn't the issue either.

Though it became clear to me at that point that you were an unscrupulous
person with no ethical foundation, my estimation of you reached a new low a
couple of days later when I read your posting (under the pseudonym "Ron") in
CDMA a few days later, asking for help in completing the database that you
had stolen from me. I mean, it's one thing to not want to continue with a
contract. That's fine. But to take someone's work, and use it without paying
them for it -- and then to go into the very newsgroup where you found that
person and ask for help in completing the stolen database? That would be
funny if it weren't so sad.

So, why did I take so much time to write all of this? Well, first, because
you pissed me off with your lies here. But I shouldn't be surprised. Lies
are your game, aren't they, Ron? But, second, because I care about the
people in this newsgroup, and I see the way you are attempting to delude
them into believe that you're an innocent person who's being picked on. I
don't believe you really believe you're being picked on. I believe you know
that the criticisms are valid, but your lying nature has to try to make it
seem otherwise. You're a sad, sad individual, Steve.



"Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:42*********************@dreader2.news.tiscali .nl...
May 7 Neil Ginsberg followed up in the thread "Stop Steve why ???'

He refers to the 'scam-alert' here where I say:
-- There also has been a 'Scam-alert'. If this is only partial true ...

<start quote>
Arno:
I am the one who wrote that message in this newsgroup back in 2001. I can
tell you most assuredly that what is written there is 100% true.

Neil Ginsberg
<end quote>

Arno R

"Mike MacSween" <mi***************************@btinternet.com> schreef in
bericht news:42***********************@news.aaisp.net.uk.. .

Thanks Arno.

I'd forgotten the 'fairy' thing and the rip off that Neil Ginsberg posted
about.

Mike

"Arno R" <ar***********@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
news:42*********************@dreader2.news.tiscali .nl...

"Mike MacSween" <mi***************************@btinternet.com> schreef in
bericht news:42***********************@news.aaisp.net.uk.. .

Can you provide some of these links for my benefit then please. You may
well
have provided them in the past. But I'd like to see some proof of the
awful
things Steve's meant to have done.

I googled PCDatasheet and didn't really find anything too terrible, to
be
honest.

Mike MacSween

There have been a few threads on 'Stop Steve ....',
Also I provide a link to a webpage in every post where I am hunting
Steve.
http://home.tiscali.nl/arracom/stopsteve.html
On this page you can find al lot of links, about what I state about
Steve.
*Everything* I state is (sad but) true.
At first (in April when I started 'Stop Steve ...") the links were in the
mail here at cdma, but the 'wordwrap' issue was a problem.
On the webpage every link is a valid link. You will be surprised or

stunned

or both.
Do a Google search on the string " ks*******@bellsouth.net PCDataSheet
"
to see some cases where he makes 'mistakes'.

This 'thing' has been going on for years and years!! Enjoy!

Arno R

[David C. Holley]

Plagarism because someone is claiming to have authored the work of
another. Fraud because it would be defrauding the original authors of
any royalties that might be due. I personally have not problem helping
someone out in developing code OR even if they use some code that I
wrote as-is in a project that they later sale. I have no problem with
the later since I didn't put together the full project. However, if
someone is taking the code written by others packaging it, not giving
credit for it, and selling it for much, much more than cost - that I
have a problem with. If someone were to do all of that and put together
a CD that sold for $5 plus shipping and handling, I wouldn't be upset
because the person would n't be profiting from it. If the CD was selling
for $100, the person would be profiting from that and with that I would
have a problem.

Arvin Meyers wrote:

This discussion about plagiarism and fraud is making me very uncomfortable.
I hate to say it but many of us at CDMA got our start that way. In fact
several of the founding members of CDMA are famous plagiarists and frauds,
and some of us are still stealing other peoples stuff. I don't know about
making money off it though. I can't imagine anybody dumb enough to pay for
code from CDMA.

Anyway please knock it off. I'm an MVP now and I'm trying to be a good boy,
but this discussion is giving me an upset stomach.

Thanks!

"PC Datasheet" <no****@nospam.spam> wrote in message
news:58*****************@newsread1.news.atl.earthl ink.net...

For your information, Tim Marshall fabricated the statement that I
repackaged responses from cdma. Read my post carefully; nowhere does it
say
that I repackaged responses from cdma.

You'll find some of the same code in Ken Getz's Access Developer's
Handbook,
F. Scott Barker's Access Power Programming and Alison Balter's Using
Microsoft Access. Is it your opinion that these works are "nothing but
plgarism and FRAUD"?
"David C. Holley" <Da**********@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:uS*************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

*THAT* is nothing but plgarism and FRAUD. As this forum does not require
a FEE to join, it is implied that any code posted here is *FREE* to the
general public. I have half the mind to figure out which state that
you're in and call the Attorney General and see if they're willing to
take legal action and throw your ass into jail.

David H
Jan 25 of this year you wrote:

"I have been collecting Access procedures from here, there and
everywhere for
a long time. They are in a folder on my harddrive and each procedure is

a

Word file. There must be arounf 1000 files. The procedures are all

indexed

by category and all you need to do is go to the folder, select a

category

and you get a list of files. A sample is shown below. If this would be

of

help to you, I will sell you a CD containing all the procedures for

$125.

Email me at my email address below if you are interested. "

[Keith]

"Neil" <no****@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:R3*****************@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...

Steve, Steve, Steve:
<snip very interesting story>
So, why did I take so much time to write all of this? Well, first, because
you pissed me off with your lies here. But I shouldn't be surprised. Lies
are your game, aren't they, Ron? But, second, because I care about the
people in this newsgroup, and I see the way you are attempting to delude
them into believe that you're an innocent person who's being picked on. I
don't believe you really believe you're being picked on. I believe you
know that the criticisms are valid, but your lying nature has to try to
make it seem otherwise. You're a sad, sad individual, Steve.

Hands up everyone that wants to do business with Steve after reading this.
I've followed this soap since it started and, weeks ago, one of my ignored
responses was to advise Steve to stop this before it went too far, which IMO
it now has, as I can see Steve's customer base stampeding to the exit. Does
it hurt to shoot yourself in the foot I wonder?

[Mike MacSween]

"Keith" <ke*********@baeAWAYWITHITsystems.com> wrote in message
news:42**********@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...

Hands up everyone that wants to do business with Steve after reading this.
I've followed this soap since it started and, weeks ago, one of my ignored
responses was to advise Steve to stop this before it went too far, which
IMO it now has, as I can see Steve's customer base stampeding to the exit.
Does it hurt to shoot yourself in the foot I wonder?

I agree. None of us can actually be sure about the ins and outs of your
dealings with Neil, Steve. We weren't there. But I'm afraid that the more
you rant on about all this then the worse you look Steve. If you really feel
you are being defamed then shut up here and take legal action for libel or
whatever. I'm pretty sure that the people who are accusing you of x,y and z
will shut up as soon as you do (shut up, that is).

You have posted helpfully, once to me thank you. But a lot of your stuff
borders on what we in the UK call 'being a bit of a chancer'. Whereas some
posters have sigs or email addresses that makes it possible to contact them,
yours is more like blatant advertising, especially combined with the 'if
you'd like more help with this contact me to ....' type comments.

If a poster gives a lot of help to somebody in the NG, and the correspondent
contacts them directly, off the newsgroup, to ask for more help, I've got no
problem atall with that. I'm sure it's happened even with many of the
longstanding members of this newsgroup. But a lot of your material crosses
the border into 'touting for work'. And the reason so many people are coming
down hard on you is because once that starts to happen the newsgroup will
degenerate into a mess of advertising, spam, people asking for quotes and so
on. I'm surprised you can't see that.

It would help if your website was a bit more convincing. Your 'Access/Excel
Tips' section is empty, and has been so for some time I think. I've
bookmarked the sites of many of the regulars here, because they contain
useful stuff. But not yours. It's got 'charlatan' written all over it, I'm
afraid to say. You have no specific IT qualifications. Yet you have a
qualifications section.

If you did actually have some Access/Excel tips in there it would make you
look more like a participant than a parasite. Sites like Tony Toews are full
of useful stuff, and of course if I wanted to get some paying help I could
use it to contact him. That's the difference. A difference you seem
determined to ignore.

That's the long version.

The short version is shut the hell up, and if you don't then you deserve
everything you get.

Mike

[PC Datasheet]

I'm still waiting for your retraction and apology for your fabricated
statement that I repackaged responses from CDMA. You retracted and
apologized for your previous fabrication now are you man enough to do it
again?

Steve
"Tim Marshall" <TI****@PurplePandaChasers.Moertherium> wrote in message
news:d8**********@coranto.ucs.mun.ca...

PC Datasheet wrote:

Who is the ass?

You fabricated a statement which you finally admitted was not true. Now what facts do you base this latest statement on:
"including repackaging responses from cdma"?

It's time for you to smarten up and be honest and participate honestly
in the group Steve. You were repackaging code from many free sources
and trying to sell it for $125 dollars which was a particularly slimey
thing to do.

Now, you got your apology. I suggest you start adhering to the
newsgroup charter. What you're doing now is text book psych - you've
latched onto something and are doing everything you can to deflect
attention from your misbehaviour.

I ask again, using your own words: are you "man enough" to apologize to
the group for your behaviour?
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me

[Larry Linson]

"Bismore Dunlap" <no****@nospam.net> wrote

And English is your second language.
Any other tips on becoming an MVP?

As with many of us, Tony's first language is VBA. <GRIN>

[Larry Linson]

"Tim Marshall" wrote

Yes, after his trial, it sounds as if he
might need it, especially if he wants
any more of the plastic surgery he
so desperately needs....

Oh, no... he should have stopped a few operations ago... the last [one|few]
operations have made him grotesque. At some point in his "remake", he looked
a _lot_ better than he does now.

[Tim Marshall]

Larry Linson wrote:

> Yes, after his trial, it sounds as if he
> might need it, especially if he wants
> any more of the plastic surgery he
> so desperately needs....

Oh, no... he should have stopped a few operations ago... the last [one|few]
operations have made him grotesque. At some point in his "remake", he looked
a _lot_ better than he does now.

Nonsesne Larry!

<Voice of mad scientist from 1950's frenkenstein type monster movie>

It's... It's.... BEEE-OOOHHH-TEE-FULL!!!!

</Voice of mad scientist from 1950's frenkenstein type monster movie>
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "Whatcha doin?" - Ditto "TIM-MAY!!" - Me