VB.Net

[Tim Hunter]

Hi, I am using WinXP Pro and MS Office Pro 2003

I would like to ask those of you who have moved on or included VB.Net in
your bag of tools, How does VB.Net compare with MS Access. Is it worth
learning and using now that it is an OOP language. I am retired and out
of the rat-race but I still like to stay somewhat current as I continue
to work part-time from home...

TIA
Tim

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[Bob Alston]

Tim Hunter wrote:

Hi, I am using WinXP Pro and MS Office Pro 2003

I would like to ask those of you who have moved on or included VB.Net in
your bag of tools, How does VB.Net compare with MS Access. Is it worth
learning and using now that it is an OOP language. I am retired and out
of the rat-race but I still like to stay somewhat current as I continue
to work part-time from home...

TIA
Tim

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I find it requires more code to do the equivalent thing as you can do in
Access without code.

Access Data Access Pages seem to be a reasonable way to ease into
internet databases, even though they have less functionality than Access
forms.

I would bet the next version of Access will be more .NET compatible in
the VB language. Maybe even a more capable DAP? We can hope.

Bob

[pap]

"Tim Hunter" <th*****@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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Hi, I am using WinXP Pro and MS Office Pro 2003

I would like to ask those of you who have moved on or included VB.Net in
your bag of tools, How does VB.Net compare with MS Access. Is it worth
learning and using now that it is an OOP language. I am retired and out
of the rat-race but I still like to stay somewhat current as I continue
to work part-time from home...

TIA
Tim

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I still prefer Access for database work. In combination with VB6 it is still
hard to beat. VB Dot net still has quirks and flaws, is very slow and quite
massive. Most senior developers wont use it and the control classes are
still not up to Access par.

peter walker

[What-a-Tool]

Maybe you should try posting the same question in :
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb
and get the .net programmers point of view for the flip side of the coin.

I'm not qualified to give an opinion myself, but most of the revue's I've
read, and people I've gotten opinions from, don't agree with what I've just
read here.

--

/ Sean the Mc /

"Opinions are like flatulence - everyone loves the sound of their own, but
anyone else's usually just stinks !"
-anonymous
"Tim Hunter" <th*****@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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Hi, I am using WinXP Pro and MS Office Pro 2003

I would like to ask those of you who have moved on or included VB.Net in
your bag of tools, How does VB.Net compare with MS Access. Is it worth
learning and using now that it is an OOP language. I am retired and out
of the rat-race but I still like to stay somewhat current as I continue
to work part-time from home...

TIA
Tim

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[Rigid Kitten]

Once a person understands the why of the differences between .net and VB6,
VBA, C++ then it all makes sense. I would say that .net is, with respect to
VB, VB done right. VB.net does more than VBA or VB6, though C# will do file
IO much quicker than vb.net, thus the reason C# is the language of choice.
My one very small complaint is that it take more box to run it than did VB6
or Access VBA.

John Bickmore

"Tim Hunter" <th*****@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:42********@127.0.0.1...

Hi, I am using WinXP Pro and MS Office Pro 2003

I would like to ask those of you who have moved on or included VB.Net in
your bag of tools, How does VB.Net compare with MS Access. Is it worth
learning and using now that it is an OOP language. I am retired and out
of the rat-race but I still like to stay somewhat current as I continue
to work part-time from home...

TIA
Tim

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[jimfortune]

Rigid Kitten wrote:

Once a person understands the why of the differences between .net and VB6, VBA, C++ then it all makes sense. I would say that .net is, with respect to VB, VB done right. VB.net does more than VBA or VB6, though C# will do file IO much quicker than vb.net, thus the reason C# is the language of choice. My one very small complaint is that it take more box to run it than did VB6 or Access VBA.

John Bickmore

It's a very small complaint indeed. I was the first person to install
Win95 at my university. I thought, "Four Megs of RAM. Who's gonna use
this memory hog!?!" After the installation I watched in amazement as
every Windows for Workgroups (3.11) machine on campus suddenly made its
hard drive available to me. As Bill Gates suggested, companies are
going to base their purchases on what saves the most money overall. I
feel I should do some development in both .Net and Linux to get a good
feel for how much time developing in each takes before giving advice to
companies.

James A. Fortune

Excerpts from Mahathir Mohamad's speech at the 57-nation Organization
of the Islamic Conference (October 16, 2003):

We need guns and rockets, bombs and warplanes, tanks and warships for
our defense. But because we are discouraged from learning of science
and mathematics as giving us no merit for the afterlife, today we have
no capacity to produce our own weapons for our defense. We have to buy
our weapons from our detractors and enemies.

Today we, the whole Muslim ummah (community) is treated with contempt
and dishonor. Our religion is denigrated. Our holy places desecrated.
Our countries are occupied. Our people starved and killed.

Jews rule the world by proxy... We are up against a people who think.
They survived 2000 years of pogroms not by hitting back but by
thinking. They invented Socialism, Communism, human rights and
democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so that
they can enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have now
gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny
community have become a world power.

For well over half a century, we have fought over Palestine. What have
we achieved? Nothing. We are worse off than before. If we had paused
to think, then we could have devised a plan, a strategy that can win us
final victory.

I think he elaborated a program of action that is wide and very
important. I hope the Islamic countries will be able to follow this
very important road map. -- Ahmed Maher (Egyptian Foreign Minister)

I understand these statements to mean that Muslims falsely believe that
Israel is controlling the U.S. and Russia (among others) and that they
need to embrace whatever technology is required to give them "final
victory."

[Lyle Fairfield]

In this case, I think it would have been OK for you to have quoted the
whole speech: http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/malaysian.asp, despite
its length. (One can hear some of Dr Mahathir's words by clicking on the
links at the bottom of http://www.filatelic.com/00-05/10OIC.html.) If
you had done so, the inclusion of your own "understanding" of the speech
might have been unnecessary.
We could all have come to our own understanding; that understanding
might be influenced by our understanding of history, geography and
economy, or lack therof, and our notion of whether or not it is
appropriate to generalize, to a group of more than one billion, from the
statement of one leader on the verge of retirement and the agreement of
another.
Some of us may wish to read other accounts of Dr Mahathir's opinion such
as the record of his answers to BBC viewers call-ins in 2003:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3191639.stm.

ji********@compumarc.com wrote:

James A. Fortune

Excerpts from Mahathir Mohamad's speech at the 57-nation Organization
of the Islamic Conference (October 16, 2003):

We need guns and rockets, bombs and warplanes, tanks and warships for
our defense. But because we are discouraged from learning of science
and mathematics as giving us no merit for the afterlife, today we have
no capacity to produce our own weapons for our defense. We have to buy
our weapons from our detractors and enemies.

Today we, the whole Muslim ummah (community) is treated with contempt
and dishonor. Our religion is denigrated. Our holy places desecrated.
Our countries are occupied. Our people starved and killed.

Jews rule the world by proxy... We are up against a people who think.
They survived 2000 years of pogroms not by hitting back but by
thinking. They invented Socialism, Communism, human rights and
democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so that
they can enjoy equal rights with others. With these they have now
gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny
community have become a world power.

For well over half a century, we have fought over Palestine. What have
we achieved? Nothing. We are worse off than before. If we had paused
to think, then we could have devised a plan, a strategy that can win us
final victory.

I think he elaborated a program of action that is wide and very
important. I hope the Islamic countries will be able to follow this
very important road map. -- Ahmed Maher (Egyptian Foreign Minister)

I understand these statements to mean that Muslims falsely believe that
Israel is controlling the U.S. and Russia (among others) and that they
need to embrace whatever technology is required to give them "final
victory."

--
--
Lyle
--

[Edward]

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"Tim Hunter" <th*****@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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Hi, I am using WinXP Pro and MS Office Pro 2003

I would like to ask those of you who have moved on or included VB.Net in
your bag of tools, How does VB.Net compare with MS Access. Is it worth
learning and using now that it is an OOP language. I am retired and out
of the rat-race but I still like to stay somewhat current as I continue
to work part-time from home...

TIA
Tim

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I still prefer Access for database work. In combination with VB6 it is still
hard to beat. VB Dot net still has quirks and flaws, is very slow and quite
massive. Most senior developers wont use it and the control classes are
still not up to Access par.

peter walker

I've been working with ASP.NET and VB.NET (mainly on top of SQL
Server) for nearly three years, and I am also still working with
Access even now, and I can tell you that you're talking bollocks about
VB.NET. It's not slow though it IS massive (because it's fully OO)
and all our senior developers use it and love it. Some of the control
classes lack some of the functionality that is bundled with Access,
but there is always a work-around, and the EXTRA functionality and the
flexibility are a joy. One of my biggest clients (a multinational
aerospace company) are gradually putting all their legacy Access apps.
onto the Intranet via ASP.NET. The single gaping hole in the whole
..NET thang is reporting, or rather lack of it. I've had to reacquaint
myself with Crystal Reports (takes out garlic and makes sign of the
cross) which is so unbelievably lame and difficult compared to Access'
wonderful built-in reports.

Edward
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http://www.bookgroup.org.uk

[jimfortune]

Lyle Fairfield wrote:

In this case, I think it would have been OK for you to have quoted the whole speech: http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/malaysian.asp, despite its length. (One can hear some of Dr Mahathir's words by clicking on the links at the bottom of http://www.filatelic.com/00-05/10OIC.html.) If you had done so, the inclusion of your own "understanding" of the speech might have been unnecessary.
We could all have come to our own understanding; that understanding
might be influenced by our understanding of history, geography and
economy, or lack therof, and our notion of whether or not it is
appropriate to generalize, to a group of more than one billion, from the statement of one leader on the verge of retirement and the agreement of another.
Some of us may wish to read other accounts of Dr Mahathir's opinion such as the record of his answers to BBC viewers call-ins in 2003:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3191639.stm.

Thanks for the link Lyle. Perhaps the extra information will properly
frame what he said in a way that is less inflammatory. I hope what he
said is not the view of the billion, or even the million. I guess a
sample of two doesn't represent a billion very well :-). I have had
Muslim flatmates (Jewish, Russian, Chinese and Japanese as well) so I
feel that I have some idea of their view of history though. I did not
read the entire speech and only saw the parts quoted by the U.S. media.
I'll read it and the call-ins.

James A. Fortune