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"Damodar Periwal" <***@***.com> wrote in message
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Software Tree has announced


Basic USENET newsgroup rules and the charter of this newsgroup prohibit
advertising, even of free stuff. Please see the FAQ at
http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm. Thank you for your future
consideration.

Nov 13 '05 #2

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"Damodar Periwal" <dp******@softwaretree.com> wrote in message
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Hi Damodar, unfortunately only certain people are allowed to advertise here,
and I don't know how you can get on that list.

Ask Mr Linson - he may know.
Nov 13 '05 #3

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"John Winterbottom" wrote
Hi Damodar, unfortunately only certain
people are allowed to advertise here,
and I don't know how you can get on that list.

Ask Mr Linson - he may know.


Unsolicited posting of commercial ads, announcements, and solicitations for
employment are against USENET Rules and the Charter (for which see the FAQ
http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm) because they are advertising.

Mentioning a product which is an appropriate answer to a valid question is
not considered advertising (except by the resident troll -- who will take
exception to anything likely to cause disruption of the newsgroup's primary
purpose), nor is providing business contact information of "reasonable
length" in your SIG lines. (Guidelines for "reasonable length" of SIGs can
be found in a number of USENET RFDs, but 4 - 6 lines seems to be the maximum
that most participants accept without complaint.)

These seem to be generally accepted throughout the technical discussion
newsgroups, though different newsgroup communities may be more or less
assertive in encouraging compliance. In fact, most reputable ISPs' Terms of
Service or Acceptable Use Policies contain very similar statements. Thus, if
one wanted to be "hard nosed" about it, they could just privately complain
with some expectation of having the poster's account cancelled.

In this newsgroup, tradition has been that violators are first "gently
admonished" and only repeat violators draw complaints to their ISPs. Some of
my less-patient colleagues have been know to disagree and have complained on
the first occasion of "blatant commercial advertising" by a particular
poster.

If I can be of further help, John, let me know.

Larry Linson
Nov 13 '05 #4

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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:08:43 GMT, "Larry Linson"
<bo*****@localhost.not> wrote:

This "John" is hiding behind uni-berlin.de, a known anonymizer.
Probably our resident troll.

-Tom.

"John Winterbottom" wrote
Hi Damodar, unfortunately only certain
people are allowed to advertise here,
and I don't know how you can get on that list.

Ask Mr Linson - he may know.


Unsolicited posting of commercial ads, announcements, and solicitations for
employment are against USENET Rules and the Charter (for which see the FAQ
http://www.mvps.org/access/netiquette.htm) because they are advertising.

Mentioning a product which is an appropriate answer to a valid question is
not considered advertising (except by the resident troll -- who will take
exception to anything likely to cause disruption of the newsgroup's primary
purpose), nor is providing business contact information of "reasonable
length" in your SIG lines. (Guidelines for "reasonable length" of SIGs can
be found in a number of USENET RFDs, but 4 - 6 lines seems to be the maximum
that most participants accept without complaint.)

These seem to be generally accepted throughout the technical discussion
newsgroups, though different newsgroup communities may be more or less
assertive in encouraging compliance. In fact, most reputable ISPs' Terms of
Service or Acceptable Use Policies contain very similar statements. Thus, if
one wanted to be "hard nosed" about it, they could just privately complain
with some expectation of having the poster's account cancelled.

In this newsgroup, tradition has been that violators are first "gently
admonished" and only repeat violators draw complaints to their ISPs. Some of
my less-patient colleagues have been know to disagree and have complained on
the first occasion of "blatant commercial advertising" by a particular
poster.

If I can be of further help, John, let me know.

Larry Linson


Nov 13 '05 #5

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-- Damodar

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Hi Damodar, unfortunately only certain people are allowed to advertise here,
and I don't know how you can get on that list.

Ask Mr Linson - he may know.

Nov 13 '05 #6

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"Tom van Stiphout" <no*************@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:08:43 GMT, "Larry Linson"
<bo*****@localhost.not> wrote:

This "John" is hiding behind uni-berlin.de, a known anonymizer.
Probably our resident troll.


Sorry to disappoint you Sherlock but I'm not hiding behind anything. If
you'd botheered to check you'd have seen that every post I've made for the
past, oh I don't know, four years maybe, has been from uni-berlin.de.
--
John Winterbottom
Technical Manager
AssayNet Canada Inc.
11 Mill Street South Suite 304
P. O. Box 1502
Waterdown, ON L0R 2H0
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(905) 690-9609 Fax
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Nov 13 '05 #7

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"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in message
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"John Winterbottom" wrote
If I can be of further help, John, let me know.


Were you ever in the military Larry? I ask because it seems to me you would
have made an excellent soldier. Not an officer or sargent, not someone who
actually had to make decisions. But as a regular private, a soul who could
simply follow orders without question, it seems to me you would have been
ideal.

Arguing with you is a lot like arguing with a religious fundamentalist. "I
know God exists because He says so in the bible". What kind of argument is
that? Each time we have this discussion, your entire platform seems to be
based on a single premise. "It's in the rules". I do know the rules. In
fact you've explained them to me before, several times and always in
painfully excruciating detail. And I do know that how much these "rules and
regulations" mean to you, but there's more to life than that Larry. There's
something called "thinking for yourself".

For anyone who might be reading this and wants to know the background, (I
know this is wasted on you Larry), I'll sum it up again:

1. The rules regarding advertising are flawed. Posts like the one that
started this thread are at best harmless. The subject line allows you to
simply skip over it if you wish. So let's keep the ban on herbal viagara if
we must, but so long as the product relates directly to Access, why not let
it go? Who knows - there just might be the next great killer Access add-on
out there that would otherwise be missed. And for those of you who think
c.d.m.a. would be indundated with spam - think again. It doesn't happen in
the other database newsgroups, and it wouldn't happen here.

2. Same applies to job postings. It would be nice to believe that the Access
job market consisted of thousands of frenzied companies, all desperately
trying to get their hands on an Access developer. Sadly this is not the
case. I'm sure most of you know that.

3. Which brings me on to my next point. If anyone contravenes the spirit, if
not the letter, of the newsgroup rules it is the weasels who answer
questions, (often badly), simply as a way to drum up business. They're like
vultures, constantly circling round, trying to spot a hapless newbie in
distress, so they can pounce with lines like "if you need any help send me
an email - my rates are very reasonable". In other words, their advice is
not free, and they're not really here to help. This is advertising of the
most insiduous kind since, unlike in paragraph 1, they camouflage it under
the guise of trying to be helpful. "Oh I really do want to help you". Only
later do you find that the help comes at a price. At the very least, if we
are going to ban advertising, let's also ban these slimey people.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Since I don't do much in Access these days I
don't hang around here a lot, but it's a little sad when I come back to find
that nothing has changed, and the dinosaur logic still holds sway.



Nov 13 '05 #8

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Tom van Stiphout <no*************@cox.net> wrote in
news:ka********************************@4ax.com:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 04:08:43 GMT, "Larry Linson"
<bo*****@localhost.not> wrote:

This "John" is hiding behind uni-berlin.de, a known anonymizer.
Probably our resident troll.

-Tom.


Tom

My ISP, Cogeco, has a long history of poor Newsgroup service, regularly
delivering answers days before questions.
A couple? of years ago, on the advice of one of our regulars, I switched to
using cis.dfn.de, which provides free, relatively good service, sans porn,.
When I post via DFN, it seems that the headers indicate that the post
originates from uni-berlin.de. I did not know uni-berlin.de had
"anonymizing" capabilites, else I might have, from time to time, said
something controverial, masquerading as my evil twin Kyle, for instance.
I am now trying Cogeco again, as it seems to be improved.

Lyle
Nov 13 '05 #9

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John Winterbottom wrote:
1. The rules regarding advertising are flawed. Posts like the one that
2. Same applies to job postings. It would be nice to believe that the Access
job market consisted of thousands of frenzied companies, all desperately
trying to get their hands on an Access developer. Sadly this is not the
case. I'm sure most of you know that.


I've been away from the group for awhile, just recently returned and it
saddens this former soldier 8) to see John and Larry, who I consider
among "big guns" here, at odds with each other. To both, I owe a lot
more than I can return for their help over the years.

In fact, and I am being truthful here, and in no way trying to
patronizing in anyway, seeing some of this sort of fussing that occurs
between various factions on the group is somewwhat similar to a small
child watching teachers or even parents argue bitterly over things s/he
may not understand.

However, I wonder though if what John has been talking about in this
post might be appropriate things to consider? He certainly makes sense.
Perhaps use of tags (meaningful abbreviations in square brackets) in
the subject line could be encouraged; the direction in which I'm pulling
this right now could be tagged [Admin], for example.

Things do change and evolve and maybe it's time the regulars here
discussed it and even ran a vote of some sort?

OK, back to A2K3....

--
Tim - http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto
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"John Winterbottom" wrote
Were you ever in the military Larry? I ask
because it seems to me you would
have made an excellent soldier. Not an
officer or sargent, not someone who
actually had to make decisions. But as a
regular private, a soul who could
simply follow orders without question, it
seems to me you would have been
ideal.
Were you ever in the "troll" business, John? That's exactly the kind of
demeaning reply that I would expect from The Resident Troll -- who is as
strongly opposed to keeping advertising out of the newsgroup as you, and
cites the same argument about "weasels" -- except his opposition is mostly,
it seems, to MVPs who have contact information in their SIGs and sites.
... your entire platform seems to be based
on a single premise. "It's in the rules". I do
know the rules.
The rules here are intended to promote orderly and productive use of
newsgroups. They were not received by "divine revelation", and there is a
great deal of difference between politely reminding someone that there are
rules and what those rules are, in the interest of keeping the newsgroup
useful and a "religious argument".

. . . 3. Which brings me on to my next point. If anyone contravenes the spirit, if not the letter, of the newsgroup rules it is the weasels who answer
questions, (often badly), simply as a way to drum up business. They're like vultures, constantly circling round, trying to spot a hapless newbie in
distress, so they can pounce with lines like "if you need any help send me
an email - my rates are very reasonable". In other words, their advice is
not free, and they're not really here to help. This is advertising of the
most insiduous kind since, unlike in paragraph 1, they camouflage it under
the guise of trying to be helpful. "Oh I really do want to help you". Only
later do you find that the help comes at a price. At the very least, if we
are going to ban advertising, let's also ban these slimey people.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Since I don't do much in Access these days I
don't hang around here a lot, but it's a little sad when I come back to find that nothing has changed, and the dinosaur logic still holds sway.


John, your campaign to just have everyone ignore the existing, valid rules
is misguided and no better than the sniping of The Resident Troll.

As I think I have said to you before, if you do not like the rules, there
are official methods for getting them changed. I suggest you investigate and
initiate the procedures for changing the pertinent, adopted RFDs (if you
succeed and spam becomes OK in newsgroups, there will be a lot of ISPs who
won't be fond of you because it is they who pay the bills for all the extra
bandwidth that will be wasted.), and investigate and initiate the procedures
for changing the charter of this newsgroup.

If you think that just ignoring the rules is the best approach, you should
talk to Pedro Gil (who used to be a frequent poster here), who contacted me
to ask about a Portuguese-language newsgroup that had been made useless for
its intended purpose by the spam that filled it, and "how can the legitimate
users take back our newsgroup". I did not have an answer for that, only that
by being assertive about the rules, they might have prevented it.

And, you will see no posts from me, sniping at you, demeaning you, and
contradicting your admonishments should you choose to respond with similar
gentle admonishment to the "weasels" who just offer their assistance for a
fee. I have had public and private communication, without success, with one
(AFAIK, the primary one in this and some other Access newsgroups) who does
that, but I note that the person with whom I so communicted does often
provide useful answers that aren't just "I can do it for a fee". I gave up
on trying to make that individual "see the light" -- perhaps if you provide
a response to every one of his posts of this type, you will convince people
not to contact him, it will cease to be an effort with any ROI, and he will
stop.


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"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in message
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Were you ever in the "troll" business, John? That's exactly the kind of
demeaning reply that I would expect from The Resident Troll -- who is as
strongly opposed to keeping advertising out of the newsgroup as you, and
cites the same argument about "weasels" -- except his opposition is
mostly,
it seems, to MVPs who have contact information in their SIGs and sites.
OK, I stepped over the line there, sorry for that. I just get really mad
when I see those same damn rules regurgitated here time after time - as if
we're all a bunch of school kids. Hell, one of the great thungs about the
Internet is the *lack* of rules. We have way too many of the things already.
The rules here are intended to promote orderly and productive use of
newsgroups.

I know that was the *intent*. But you should ask yourself how effective
they've been at achieving their goal. If you compare c.d.m.a. (where the
rules are rigidly enforced), to the other database groups, (where they are
not), you'll find a surprisng thing - the other groups have no more spam
than we do. Plus they have no trolls. Go figure.

John, your campaign to just have everyone ignore the existing, valid rules
is misguided and no better than the sniping of The Resident Troll.

As I think I have said to you before, if you do not like the rules, there
are official methods for getting them changed. I suggest you investigate
and
initiate the procedures for changing the pertinent, adopted RFDs (if you
succeed and spam becomes OK in newsgroups, there will be a lot of ISPs who
won't be fond of you because it is they who pay the bills for all the
extra
bandwidth that will be wasted.), and investigate and initiate the
procedures
for changing the charter of this newsgroup.
Look we don't need a presidential decree for this. Leave the rules be - just
stop giving out your "gentle admonishments" and all will be fine. You will
see NO increase in spam, none, zero, nada, zip. Why is it so difficult to
understand this?
If you think that just ignoring the rules is the best approach, you should
talk to Pedro Gil (who used to be a frequent poster here), who contacted
me
to ask about a Portuguese-language newsgroup that had been made useless
for
its intended purpose by the spam that filled it, and "how can the
legitimate
users take back our newsgroup". I did not have an answer for that, only
that
by being assertive about the rules, they might have prevented it.
That was then. This is now. Go over to comp.databases.sql-server, scan down
the last 500 posts, and see how much spam there is. In 500 posts you'll be
lucky to find 5. And of those, the majority will be for new sql-server tools
about which I, for one, would very much like to know.

In fact I just did exactly that - I found a grand total three posts that
were adverting things; two of which were also cross-posted here! So it's
obvious that all these rules which you enforce for our "benefit" are having
no effect whatsoever at reducing spam. Plus, they invite trolls. Why then do
you bother?
And, you will see no posts from me, sniping at you, demeaning you, and
contradicting your admonishments should you choose to respond with similar
gentle admonishment to the "weasels" who just offer their assistance for a
fee. I have had public and private communication, without success, with
one
(AFAIK, the primary one in this and some other Access newsgroups) who does
that, but I note that the person with whom I so communicted does often
provide useful answers that aren't just "I can do it for a fee". I gave up
on trying to make that individual "see the light" -- perhaps if you
provide
a response to every one of his posts of this type, you will convince
people
not to contact him, it will cease to be an effort with any ROI, and he
will
stop.


I have many better things to do with my time thanks.

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"starwars" <no****@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote in message
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No, Larry, you're just a . . .
Trolled from hiding behind an anonymizer. As witness, the following is
copied directly from the headers of the referenced post:
Comments: This message did not originate
from the Sender address above.
It was remailed automatically by anonymizing
remailer software. Please report problems or
inappropriate use to the remailer administrator
at <ab***@tatooine.homelinux.net>.
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Cc: ma*******@dizum.com

Nov 13 '05 #13

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"John Winterbottom" <as******@hotmail.com> wrote

<SNIP>

I see that now "starwars" has arrived in the thread. Nice company you keep,
John.
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"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in message
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"John Winterbottom" <as******@hotmail.com> wrote

<SNIP>

I see that now "starwars" has arrived in the thread. Nice company you
keep,
John.


Do you think "starwars" was attracted to this thread by me? Or by you?
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"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in
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"John Winterbottom" <as******@hotmail.com> wrote

<SNIP>

I see that now "starwars" has arrived in the thread. Nice company you
keep, John.


Larry

Two persons who have a similar opinion about one matter in one thread are
not keeping company. You and I have agreed about something once or twice,
in 1997 and 2001, if memory serves me correctly. But we most definitely
have never kept company.
In fact, I expect the intersection of our respective company keepers is
null.
Nov 13 '05 #16

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"John Winterbottom" wrote
Do you think "starwars" was attracted to
this thread by me? Or by you?


I think "starwars" will jump in on any thread where it thinks it can promote
or exacerbate a disagreement or argument between posters who normally help
people in this newsgroup. It's trying hard to be a verbal newsgroup
terrorist.

Then again, it doesn't like advertisers being admonished, either, and it
seems to be more jealous of Tony and of me than of some other MVPs, so
perhaps it did just come to pay its disrespects to me.

Again I'll remind you that there was and is a reason for the rules. If you
don't like the rules, start a process to change them. Until you do, if you
don't like to see them repeated (to advertisers, not to enlighten _you_),
most every newsreader has a simple way to either delete a response, move
back to the index, or move to the next -- I suggest you use that feature of
your newsreader. Nobody's twisting your arm to make you re-read the rules
one more time.

Have a good day.

Larry
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"starwars" <no****@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote in message
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That's what John has done Larry, started
Trolls posting falsehoods don't make them so. There is a governing body for
USENET, and it has procedures for changing the usenet rules. Those
procedures are _not_ started by complaining in a newsgroup. This troll tries
to mislead about this as it does about other things, as usual, hiding behind
an anonymizer and seeking to cover his tracks by requesting Google not to
archive the post. As witness, the following, copied from the headers of the
referenced post:
Comments: This message did not originate
from the Sender address above. It was re-
mailed automatically by anonymizing remailer
software. Please report problems or inapprop-
riate use to the remailer administrator at
<su*****@mail.amessage.info>.
Cc: ma*******@dizum.com
X-No-Archive: Yes

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"Nomen Nescio" <no****@dizum.com> wrote in message
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John, you're too smart . . .
Troll posting what it thinks is demeaning comments, as usual, hiding behind
an anonymizer and seeking to cover his tracks by requesting Google not to
archive the post. As witness, the following, copied from the headers of the
referenced post:
Comments: This message did not originate
from the Sender address above. It was re-
mailed automatically by anonymizing remailer
software. Please report problems or inapprop-
riate use to the remailer administrator at
<su*****@mail.amessage.info>.
Cc: ma*******@dizum.com
X-No-Archive: Yes

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