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should this ng become moderated?

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fp
I am not familiar with how an ng becomes moderated but this seems to be the
de-facto place for ms-access help and it is filled with noise which detracts
from the mission. It would seem it should become a moderated site for the
sake of the community here.

Any comments?

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Nov 12 '05 #1
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:55:10 GMT in comp.databases.ms-access, "fp"
<et****************@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am not familiar with how an ng becomes moderated but this seems to be the
de-facto place for ms-access help and it is filled with noise which detracts
from the mission. It would seem it should become a moderated site for the
sake of the community here.

Any comments?


Where do you draw the line? Disruptive posts from anon remailers? All
OT posts (such as this one <g>)? If someone posted a crappy answer and
only one followup spotted it and said "that's crap", do you bin the
post? Or give someone the oppotunity to ask "why?"

--
A)bort, R)etry, I)nfluence with large hammer.
Nov 12 '05 #2

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"Trevor Best" <bouncer@localhost> wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 07:55:10 GMT in comp.databases.ms-access, "fp"
<et****************@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am not familiar with how an ng becomes moderated but this seems to be thede-facto place for ms-access help and it is filled with noise which detractsfrom the mission. It would seem it should become a moderated site for the
sake of the community here.

Any comments?


Where do you draw the line? Disruptive posts from anon remailers? All
OT posts (such as this one <g>)? If someone posted a crappy answer and
only one followup spotted it and said "that's crap", do you bin the
post? Or give someone the oppotunity to ask "why?"


That's crap!
Nov 12 '05 #3

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Trevor Best wrote:
Where do you draw the line? Disruptive posts from anon remailers? All
OT posts (such as this one <g>)? If someone posted a crappy answer and
only one followup spotted it and said "that's crap", do you bin the
post? Or give someone the oppotunity to ask "why?"


My ideas:

Agressive/abusive/offending language and personal attacks are to be
banned. I'm willing to elaborate on that.

OT posts should not.

Crappy answers should not. Everybody has the right to learn by providing
answers, stupid as they may seem.

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Bas Cost Budde
http://www.heuveltop.org/BasCB
but the domain is nl

Nov 12 '05 #4

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Bas Cost Budde <ba*@heuveltop.org> wrote in news:c0davn$kdl$1
@news2.solcon.nl:
Agressive/abusive/offending language and personal attacks are to be
banned. I'm willing to elaborate on that.


There are many faces to abuse and offense. Who shall judge faces?

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Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/contacts.htm)
Nov 12 '05 #5

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Lyle Fairfield wrote:
Bas Cost Budde <ba*@heuveltop.org> wrote in news:c0davn$kdl$1
@news2.solcon.nl:

Agressive/abusive/offending language and personal attacks are to be
banned. I'm willing to elaborate on that.

There are many faces to abuse and offense. Who shall judge faces?

The moderator <duh>.

When it is clear, no pass. When in doubt, consult the group. It is well
possible to collect samples now, as a kind of learning database for a
recognition system.

--
Bas Cost Budde
http://www.heuveltop.org/BasCB
but the domain is nl

Nov 12 '05 #6

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"fp" <et****************@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:yd******************@nwrddc02.gnilink.net:
I am not familiar with how an ng becomes moderated but this seems
to be the de-facto place for ms-access help and it is filled with
noise which detracts from the mission. It would seem it should
become a moderated site for the sake of the community here.

Any comments?


Moderation never works.

The current troll will eventually lose interest.

The answer to offensive speech is more speech, not censorship.

If you value the newsgroup and want to save it from the troll, take
it upon yourself to add content to the newsgroup by answering at
least one question a day. If everyone who reads the newsgroup did
that, the signal-to-noise ratio would always remain in the usable
range.

Of course, you are probably one of Don's sock puppets, anyway, given
the Hotmail address, but I reply fully aware of that.

I don't find the newsgroup littered with garbage, actually, because
I've killfiled all the anonymous remailers and all of Don's hotmail
sock puppets. I never see the garbage.

Anyone can do the same.

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David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Nov 12 '05 #7

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"starwars" <no****@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote...
Request for comment ...


If it were serious then it would qualify as "irony of the week" since you
and other anonymous remailers are among the key elements that people are
finding to be disruptive (with the simultaneous arrival of so many of them,
it is a foregone conclusion that they may well be the same person).

But since you know all of this (being one of the offensive elements that you
are) it just qualifies as noise.
--
MichKa [MS]
NLS Collation/Locale/Keyboard Development
Globalization Infrastructure and Font Technologies

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Nov 12 '05 #8

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"fp" <et****************@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am not familiar with how an ng becomes moderated but this seems to be the
de-facto place for ms-access help and it is filled with noise which detracts
from the mission. It would seem it should become a moderated site for the
sake of the community here.

Any comments?


Technically next to impossible. Moderated groups on Usenet have to be created as
moderated right from the beginning.

Tony
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Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Nov 12 '05 #9

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starwars <no****@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote:
The Stats Team is willing and able to take on the job of moderating this
newsgroup. Having already vetted this proposal to a few on the Leaderboard,
the reaction has been quite positive. We have already in place a smart team
of young, smart students and faculty members. Face it, moderation cannot
realistically be handled buy just one person. It takes a team. The
Stats Team already has in place all the necessary newsgroup tools, i.e.,
perl scripts and usenet uplinks with cancel privileges, etc., to do an
effective job of moderating comp.databases.ms-access. Give it some thought
folks, because moderation is an idea whose time has come.

Request for comment ...


Hogwash.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
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http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Nov 12 '05 #10

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David W. Fenton wrote:
Moderation never works.

The current troll will eventually lose interest.

The answer to offensive speech is more speech, not censorship.


I come to agree to this. So no moderation, just endured functionality.

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Bas Cost Budde
http://www.heuveltop.org/BasCB
but the domain is nl

Nov 12 '05 #11

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Bas Cost Budde <ba*@heuveltop.org> wrote in news:c0dkqj$kdl$3
@news2.solcon.nl:
Lyle Fairfield wrote:
Bas Cost Budde <ba*@heuveltop.org> wrote in news:c0davn$kdl$1
@news2.solcon.nl:
Aggressive/abusive/offending language and personal attacks are to be
banned. I'm willing to elaborate on that.
There are many faces to abuse and offense. Who shall judge faces?

The moderator <duh>. Oh, well, now I understand.
When it is clear, no pass. When in doubt, consult the group. Who is the group?
It is well possible to collect samples now, as a kind of learning

database > > > for a recognition system.
And you will post samples, so that we can come to know what will be
tolerated and what will not?

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/contacts.htm)
Nov 12 '05 #12

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On Wed, 11 Feb 2004 22:47:24 +0100 (CET), starwars
<no****@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote:
Michael (michka) Kaplan [MS] wrote:
"starwars" <no****@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote...
Request for comment ...


If it were serious then it would qualify as "irony of the week" since you
and other anonymous remailers are among the key elements that people are
finding to be disruptive (with the simultaneous arrival of so many of them,
it is a foregone conclusion that they may well be the same person).

But since you know all of this (being one of the offensive elements that you
are) it just qualifies as noise.

The Stats Team takes sever umbrage at such baseless insult and drivel.


If only it were so.
Nov 12 '05 #13

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starwars <no****@tatooine.homelinux.net> wrote:
The Stats Team takes sever umbrage at such baseless insult and drivel.


Please leave in a huff and never come back.

Tony
--
Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
Microsoft Access Links, Hints, Tips & Accounting Systems at
http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Nov 12 '05 #14

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Lyle Fairfield wrote:
There are many faces to abuse and offense. Who shall judge faces?
The moderator <duh>.


Oh, well, now I understand.


Hey, no offense. It's incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to put up
guidelines or the like that tell in advance how do judge. It is
complicated enough on legal matters.
When it is clear, no pass. When in doubt, consult the group.
Who is the group?


I mean any contributor. I don't think it is wise to give weight to
voices, maybe it is impossible to have 'consultation' as that alone will
spawn many discussion threads.
It is well possible to collect samples now, as a kind of learning


database > > > for a recognition system.
And you will post samples, so that we can come to know what will be
tolerated and what will not?


<grin> you have several now, to put on the 'exclude' list. By me.

Nah, I've come to feel that moderation is close to impossible on such fora.

Cheers
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Bas Cost Budde
http://www.heuveltop.org/BasCB
but the domain is nl

Nov 12 '05 #15

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