comp.databases.ms-access stats thru 11/30/2003

[xzzy]

http://netscan.research.microsoft.co...11%2F30%2F2003

interesting that the number of posts per day drops across the year, and
overall the stats have dropped from 2002 to 2003

John Bickmore
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[Tony Toews]

"xzzy" <mr********@comcast.net> wrote:

interesting that the number of posts per day drops across the year, and
overall the stats have dropped from 2002 to 2003

Unfortunately I think this can be blamed on one person who has made this newsgroup an
unhospitable place to be for some people.

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[XMVP]

"xzzy" <mr********@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:u9fKb.227463$8y1.938936@attbi_s52...

http://netscan.research.microsoft.co...11%2F30%2F2003
interesting that the number of posts per day drops across the year, and
overall the stats have dropped from 2002 to 2003

John Bickmore

The advice offered in CDMA has become more and more suspect over the last
several years as the number of Microsoft MVPs has increased. Indeed, the
decrease in posts is directly related to the increase in Microsoft MVPs.
This newsgroup used to be a reliable and *independent* source of Access
information before the Microsoft shills took it over.

[Larry Linson]

"XMVP" <ac***********@hotmail.com> wrote

The advice offered in CDMA ...

(The aptly identified) "XMVP"'s message headers indicate that XMVP posts
from "teranews", a news server used in the past by Don P Mellon, who
demonstrated a great animosity against MVPs and many others.

[Tony Toews]

"XMVP" <ac***********@hotmail.com> wrote:

The advice offered in CDMA has become more and more suspect over the last
several years as the number of Microsoft MVPs has increased. Indeed, the
decrease in posts is directly related to the increase in Microsoft MVPs.
<chuckle> Clearly one person's opinion.
This newsgroup used to be a reliable and *independent* source of Access
information before the Microsoft shills took it over.

FWIW I've been in this newsgroup since 19 Nov '94 according to
http://groups.google.ca/groups?selm=....qb.island.net. I've only
been recognized as an MVP back in 1999.

(Thanks, I'd forgotten that I was porting the newsgroup via a Fidonet <> newsgroup
interface of some sort to my BBS back then.)

Larry, from what I can see in groups.google.ca it looks like the first posting was 21
June 1993. Does that sound about right?

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[Tony Toews]

What is also amusing is the first cry for help for a corrupted database was two days
after the newsgroup first opened.

Subject: Database crash
Date: 1993-06-23 06:28:39 PST
Any help on recovering lost files after a database crash?

Tony

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[Larry Linson]

Yes, that does seem about the right date. Access was first released late in
November 1992. The Request For Discussion (RFD) came "early in 1993" and was
followed by the Call For Votes (CFV) not long after, so mid-1993 seems a
good startup date. I'm surprised that Google was able to find an archive
that went back that far -- I don't believe the DejaNews archive, which
Google bought, went back nearly that far.

I think there's more than one place you can search and find the list of
those casting affirmative votes for the creation of the newsgroup. I was
one, representing the Chrysalis BBS here in the Dallas - Fort Worth area,
which was my only access to newsgroups at that time. Prior to that time, I
had, when it was available, participated in the old Fidonet hobbyist
network's Access "echo", and that's where Tony Toews and I first crossed
paths.

Interesting, in regard to XMVP's comment on "increase in Microsoft MVPs":
The majority of the MVPs who participate here, like you, and like me,
participated here before they were awarded the MVP designation. Our
comp.databases.ms-access MVPs tend to be "homegrown"!

[Tony Toews]

"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote:

I'm surprised that Google was able to find an archive
that went back that far -- I don't believe the DejaNews archive, which
Google bought, went back nearly that far.
I vaguelly recall a story about some computer scientist who happened to have archived
the first years of Usenet postings.
Prior to that time, I
had, when it was available, participated in the old Fidonet hobbyist
network's Access "echo", and that's where Tony Toews and I first crossed
paths.
Yup. Also ran into my cousin in the Access echo. I answered a question and got back
a reply saying "Hi cuz, how ya doing?" I look at this and think to myself "Gee, is
this some idiot of an Californian with some vernacular?" But then I looked closely
at his last name and realized that yes indeed he was a cousin. I usually don't
bother remember names too much. Unless they stand out for some reasons.
Interesting, in regard to XMVP's comment on "increase in Microsoft MVPs":
The majority of the MVPs who participate here, like you, and like me,
participated here before they were awarded the MVP designation. Our
comp.databases.ms-access MVPs tend to be "homegrown"!

Good point. I was thinking of that after my posting.

Tony

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[David W. Fenton]

bo*****@localhost.not (Larry Linson) wrote in
<42******************@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>:

Yes, that does seem about the right date. Access was first
released late in November 1992. The Request For Discussion (RFD)
came "early in 1993" and was followed by the Call For Votes (CFV)
not long after, so mid-1993 seems a good startup date. I'm
surprised that Google was able to find an archive that went back
that far -- I don't believe the DejaNews archive, which Google
bought, went back nearly that far.
It did not. Google acquired a whole bunch of older archives from
older sources. For the other newsgroup I participate in daily (the
one Don mines for all those awful posts I've made) has Google
history going back to 1985, when that newsgroup was created. This
predates The Great Renaming, even.

[]
Interesting, in regard to XMVP's comment on "increase in Microsoft
MVPs": The majority of the MVPs who participate here, like you,
and like me, participated here before they were awarded the MVP
designation. Our comp.databases.ms-access MVPs tend to be
"homegrown"!

Lies, damned lies and statistics.

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