MS Access: future realeses?

[Ghost Dog]

Where's the future of Microsoft Access?

1) Access + Vba
2) Access + .NET
3) Access + (Vba OR .NET)
4) The Death

And the JET Engine will be supported in _eventual_ future versions of the
Access environment?

Bye

[fp]

From what I can tell, .Net will replace Access at some point in time. XML
and SQLServer will replace the database. Just my thoughts. I am sure others
will think differently.

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Fred Parker
Lynn Consulting Group, L.L.C.
http://www.lynnconsultinggroup.com
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[Larry Linson]

Microsoft has already stated that Jet is "in maintenance mode" which is an
even stronger statement than it first seems -- in Redmondese, that means
they expect to fix only "ship-killing bugs", that is, bugs that would
interfere with their shipping some _other_ product. Even so, it appears that
they have made a few more changes, done a few more things than would be
implied. But there's no real "future" for a product in such a state.

They announced officially that VBA would be supported in this (the Access
2003) and the next release -- they didn't commit to either drop it or
continue it, after that. But, it seems significant to me that, in this
release, both Excel and Word can use VB.NET or C# in their code, as well as
VBA. Access is usually a release or two behind Excel and Word on
"improvements" like the common VBA IDE and this...

It has also been revealed that Longhorn's file system will be based on SQL
Server, which would explain how they can drop Jet and still have seamless
installation for the end-user audience; it can just interface to the systems
file system. In fact, if you look at InfoPath (the "forms for end users"
tool), its easy to surmise that they may not still need something like
Access to do user interaction with data in the future.

In the meanwhile, and while the OS's last that don't break these versions,
it's just as good a tool as ever.

Larry Linson

"fp" <et****************@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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From what I can tell, .Net will replace Access at some point in time. XML
and SQLServer will replace the database. Just my thoughts. I am sure others will think differently.

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Fred Parker
Lynn Consulting Group, L.L.C.
http://www.lynnconsultinggroup.com
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[fp]

No argument from me, I was just answering the question.

I think you are right on with the assessment.

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Fred Parker
Lynn Consulting Group, L.L.C.
http://www.lynnconsultinggroup.com
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[Ghost Dog]

From what I can tell, .Net will replace Access at some point in time. XML
and SQLServer will replace the database. Just my thoughts.

Ok ... but what are MS thoughts? :-)

I think this ng. is attended by MVP (Viescas, etc.) that knows Microsoft
projects...

Bye

[Ghost Dog]

"Larry Linson"

It has also been revealed that Longhorn's file system will be based on SQL
Server, which would explain how they can drop Jet and still have seamless
installation for the end-user audience; it can just interface to the systems file system. In fact, if you look at InfoPath (the "forms for end users"
tool), its easy to surmise that they may not still need something like
Access to do user interaction with data in the future.

... infoPath it's only a toy!

Bye

[Klaus Oberdalhoff [MVP]]

Hi,

I think this ng. is attended by MVP (Viescas, etc.) that knows
Microsoft projects...

you already had an answer from one of us ... Larry already IS an Access MVP and
i myself wouldn´t be able to describe the situation better ...

I´ve just learned one thing: Look at MS as a place with a heterogene structure.
It´s not a homogene mass. So it seems to me as if MS Access (as every other
product) has to compete with other strategies, and the strategy, which sells
internally best, well - that one wins.

So i´m realatively sure, you generally won´t get a commintment for more than
two versions in advance. Additionally, i´m rather sure, that the combination of
SQL Server (Yukon) and Longhorn, the new SQL-Server reporting engine combined
with infopath is a strong competitor.

--
mfg

Klaus Oberdalhoff [Access MVP - Germany]

[(Pete Cresswell)]

RE/

From what I can tell, .Net will replace Access at some point in time.

As soon as I get the boot from my current major gig, I'm going to spend a few
months with .NET trying to develop a RAD-oriented template and see if I can
crank out a couple of my existing small apps in anywhere near the same time.

For me, being able to do .NET in 2x the manhours would argue strongly for
switching to it as my first choice. 3x? 4x? I dunno....maybe somebody in
an IT management position could comment.
--
PeteCresswell

[Lyle Fairfield]

"Ghost Dog" <gh**********@usa.net> wrote in news:y8orb.101589$vO5.3998970
@twister1.libero.it:

I think this ng. is attended by MVP (Viescas, etc.) that knows Microsoft
projects...

Oh WOW!

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Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/contacts.htm)

[Ghost Dog]

"Lyle Fairfield"

I think this ng. is attended by MVP (Viescas, etc.) that knows Microsoft
projects...

Oh WOW!

:-)

..... that knows Microsft Office Program Managers?

Bye

[Ghost Dog]

"Klaus Oberdalhoff [MVP]"

I´ve just learned one thing: Look at MS as a place with a heterogene structure. It´s not a homogene mass. So it seems to me as if MS Access (as every other product) has to compete with other strategies, and the strategy, which sells internally best, well - that one wins. So i´m realatively sure, you generally won´t get a commintment for more than two versions in advance. Additionally, i´m rather sure, that the combination of SQL Server (Yukon) and Longhorn, the new SQL-Server reporting engine combined with infopath is a strong competitor.

Strong competitors also for Access ADPs?

Bye

[Klaus Oberdalhoff [MVP]]

<big sigh> I dunno - who knows

I personally fear yes.

due to the fact, that many people just want a more or less simple reporting and
a variable / flexible (easy ro create) possibillity for data input (without
having to deploy anything).

--
mfg

Klaus Oberdalhoff [MVP]

Ghost Dog wrote:

"Klaus Oberdalhoff [MVP]"

I´ve just learned one thing: Look at MS as a place with a heterogene
structure. It´s not a homogene mass. So it seems to me as if MS
Access (as every other product) has to compete with other
strategies, and the strategy, which sells internally best, well -
that one wins.

So i´m realatively sure, you generally won´t get a commintment for
more than two versions in advance. Additionally, i´m rather sure,
that the combination of SQL Server (Yukon) and Longhorn, the new
SQL-Server reporting engine combined with infopath is a strong
competitor.

Strong competitors also for Access ADPs?

Bye

[Larry Linson]

"Ghost Dog" wrote

.. infoPath it's only a toy!

You are correct: it is rather simplistic now. It is also true that this is
the first time it has seen the light of day, and it could get more
capabilities in another couple of releases.

I remember when we first had some Basic newsgroups, and the
junior-high-school mentality C crowd would drop in to leave a note saying
"Basic is a baby language." But, it wasn't long before Microsoft's Visual
Basic (not even counting the Office developers using VBA) was the most
popular development tool in history. (I've used DOS BASIC in several forms,
Microsoft Visual Basic, and Office VBA and, you know, none of them are "baby
langugaes".)

Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP

[Larry Linson]

"(Pete Cresswell)" wrote

For me, being able to do .NET in 2x
the manhours would argue strongly for
switching to it as my first choice. 3x?
4x? I dunno....maybe somebody in
an IT management position could
comment.

The only IT person I manage, Pete, is myself. But it is clear that unless
there are some drastic changes in direction, anyone who plan to continue
using Microsoft development tools, had better plan on accomodating
themselves to the world of .NET.

The alternative, of course, is to move into the *nix or *nux world. You can
run a MAC as a server, but they don't address the enterprise server market,
so I didn't list them -- but they are an option for the small operation.

Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP

[Erika Schittlipz]

"Larry Linson" <bo*****@localhost.not> wrote in message
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The only IT person I manage, Pete, is myself.

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Thanks

Erika

[Larry Linson]

"Erika Schittlipz" wrote

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[Ghost Dog]

"Klaus Oberdalhoff [MVP]" <

Strong competitors also for Access ADPs?

I personally fear yes. due to the fact, that many people just want a more or less simple reporting and a variable / flexible (easy ro create) possibillity for data input (without having to deploy anything).

Searching on the web I've find this:

http://www.azteccomputing.com/docs/l...newsletter.htm

Bye

[Klaus Oberdalhoff [MVP]]

Hi,

Yepp

i only can hope that Access does not go the VB-classic route ...

--
mfg

Klaus Oberdalhoff [MVP]
Ghost Dog wrote:

"Klaus Oberdalhoff [MVP]" <

Strong competitors also for Access ADPs?

I personally fear yes.

due to the fact, that many people just want a more or less simple
reporting and a variable / flexible (easy ro create) possibillity
for data input (without having to deploy anything).

Searching on the web I've find this:

http://www.azteccomputing.com/docs/l...newsletter.htm

Bye

[keyur shah]

4) looks better

Keyur Shah
Verizon Communications
732-423-0745

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