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Is Microsoft phasing out Access?


Hello folks,

Would love yo get all informed opinions and/or facts on the following:

Over the last few weeks I have spent quite a bit of time reviewing all
the Access and .NET stuff I could find on Microsoft.com. It's seems
harder and harder to find much of anything about Access as a primary
development platform. I am getting the uneasy feeling that Microsoft
is slowly phasing out Access.

Am I incorrect about this? Does anyone have a link to a clear
statement of intent from Microsoft on the role they have planned for
Access and VBA in the future?
Nov 13 '05
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"Albert D. Kallal" <ka****@msn.com > wrote in message
news:MsAfe.1288 695$6l.923561@p d7tw2no...

In addition, Microsoft also released relapsed the soap ad in kit ...


You can make money with Access by serving ads? ;-)

--
Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia.
Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html
Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org.
Nov 13 '05 #11
"Lyle Fairfield" <Lo******@FFDBA .Com> wrote in message
news:Xn******** ***********@216 .221.81.119...
Perhaps, even Don Mellon could return here as a helpful skilled
contributor.


Don't hold your breath.
Nov 13 '05 #12
"Larry Linson" <no****@nospam. net> wrote in
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"Lauren Wilson" <no****@private .com> wrote in message
news:p4******** *************** *********@4ax.c om...

Hello folks,

Would love yo get all informed opinions and/or facts on the
following:

Over the last few weeks I have spent quite a bit of time
reviewing all the Access and .NET stuff I could find on
Microsoft.com. It's seems harder and harder to find much of
anything about Access as a primary development platform. I am
getting the uneasy feeling that Microsoft is slowly phasing out
Access.

Am I incorrect about this? Does anyone have a link to a clear
statement of intent from Microsoft on the role they have planned
for Access and VBA in the future?

I still don't understand why MS had to change Access 2.0. So
maybe I'm not really qualified to make pronouncements on this
subject, but I feel the 16 bit Access was just fine the way it
was. It was easy to use and I could understand just about all of
it. Then they went to 32 bit Access and I was sort of lost for
awhile. Actually I never really did much work in the 32 bit
versions except for writing replies in this NG.


Well, there were huge advantages to the 32-bit version. For one, it
was more stable, because of the advantages of 32-bit applications in
regard to the operating system's memory management. Access 2 was
vulnerable to the crash of any 16-bit application, since all 16-bit
apps running simultaneously are running in the same virtual machine.

Now, I don't mean to imply that in Win9x 32-bit Access was
invulnerable from crashes in 16-bit apps, since Win9x had many
16-bit components that would be executing in a virtual machine that
might be taken down by another 16-bit application.

Now, in regard to features, 32-bit Access was part of the
integration of VBA into the whole Office suite, and that gave Access
a great deal of power as your base for creating meta-applications
that utilized Word and Excel and Outlook within your database
application. That was a huge innovation and highly useful for a
number of reasons.

Now, after Access 97, I can't see any pressing new features, and
that's why a number of my clients are staying with A97.
Now we have Dot Net and it's way too complicated for me! But I
haven't really looked at it. I'll stick with the old versions of
Access even if the support disappeared years ago. As for new
Access apps who cares? The people I deal with don't know the
difference between one flavor of Access and another.


The real disadvantage of Access 2 for me is the non-compliant user
interface, which is very, very different from that of modern
versions of Windows and of modern Windows applications. The
differences are not just cosmetic (e.g., the file open dialog is
completely differently structured, and doesn't understand long
filenames), and that's very important.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Nov 13 '05 #13
"Lyle Fairfield" wrote
What was done was done, but it is
in the past. In the present and the
future we could try to look at the
strengths we all have, and build
upon and support them.
I agree. The newsgroup is for helping each other.
Perhaps, even Don Mellon could
return here as a helpful skilled
contributor.


Only because of the high respect in which I hold your opinions will I
concede this might be possible, Lyle. <GRIN>

Nov 13 '05 #14
My concern is that Office can be installed without VBA, and if Visual Studio
..Net Tools for Office can be used instead, will more companies employ such a
configuration? Would Microsoft push Visual Studio at the expense of Access?

Steven
"Allen Browne" <Al*********@Se eSig.Invalid> wrote in message
news:42******** *************** @per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au ...
I can't give you any info on how Access will fit into the .NET framework,
but I would expect to continue using VBA for some time yet. Whether the
functionity in Access will be extended to be more web-centric, I can't
say.

What is clear is that you will be able to continue to use Access as a
desktop database for a long time yet.

--
Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia.
Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html
Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org.

"Lauren Wilson" <no****@private .com> wrote in message
news:u7******** *************** *********@4ax.c om...
On Sun, 8 May 2005 16:47:59 +0800, "Allen Browne"
<Al*********@Se eSig.Invalid> wrote:
No. They are not phasing out Access.

This article from the Jan '05 edition of Access Advisor includes an
interview with people inside Microsoft regarding the next version:
http://msaccessadvisor.com/doc/14978


Thanks Allen. This is encouraging. I'm still confused about how
Access fits into the .NET framework (assuming it does somehow). Any
pointers to articles on that?

BTW -- love your site.


Nov 13 '05 #15
Access is the best selling database product ever. They would be foolish to
just ignore the entire base of installed users. I am therefore expecting VBA
support in the next version at least.

--
Allen Browne - Microsoft MVP. Perth, Western Australia.
Tips for Access users - http://allenbrowne.com/tips.html
Reply to group, rather than allenbrowne at mvps dot org.

"Steven Zuch" <st***@nospam.n et> wrote in message
news:Vo******** *****@fe12.lga. ..
My concern is that Office can be installed without VBA, and if Visual
Studio .Net Tools for Office can be used instead, will more companies
employ such a configuration? Would Microsoft push Visual Studio at the
expense of Access?

Steven
"Allen Browne" <Al*********@Se eSig.Invalid> wrote in message
news:42******** *************** @per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au ...
I can't give you any info on how Access will fit into the .NET framework,
but I would expect to continue using VBA for some time yet. Whether the
functionity in Access will be extended to be more web-centric, I can't
say.

What is clear is that you will be able to continue to use Access as a
desktop database for a long time yet.
"Lauren Wilson" <no****@private .com> wrote in message
news:u7******** *************** *********@4ax.c om...
On Sun, 8 May 2005 16:47:59 +0800, "Allen Browne"
<Al*********@Se eSig.Invalid> wrote:

No. They are not phasing out Access.

This article from the Jan '05 edition of Access Advisor includes an
interview with people inside Microsoft regarding the next version:
http://msaccessadvisor.com/doc/14978

Thanks Allen. This is encouraging. I'm still confused about how
Access fits into the .NET framework (assuming it does somehow). Any
pointers to articles on that?

BTW -- love your site.

Nov 13 '05 #16
"Steven Zuch" wrote
My concern is that Office can be
installed without VBA, and if Visual Studio
.Net Tools for Office can be used instead,
will more companies employ such a
configuration?
Visual Studio Tools for Office System 2003 provides C# and VB.NET but those
languages are NOT usable as a replacement for VBA; they allow use of Office
in the .NET environment, but (repeat) are NOT usable instead of VBA.
Would Microsoft push Visual Studio
at the expense of Access?


They certainly would, if they thought it to their business or financial
advantage. I suspect, though, that The Boys and Girls in Redmond are way too
bright to think that doing so would not hack off the customers of the cash
cow that provides a goodly chunk of their earnings and be to their financial
DISadvantage.

Note: none of the above is "inside" information nor information covered by a
"non-disclosure agreement". It is just applying a little logic to the facts
of the situation. And then taking a wild *** guess or two or three.

And, a caveat: some of the many analyses I have performed in a long career
in the compuer business have been 'way off the mark, so you shouldn't make
any substantive plans based on my speculations.

Larry Linson
Microsoft Access MVP
Nov 13 '05 #17
Allen Browne wrote:
Access is the best selling database product ever. They would be foolish to
just ignore the entire base of installed users. I am therefore expecting VBA
support in the next version at least.


hmmm, in the UK Ford had the No 1 and 2 best selling cars, the Escort
and the Cortina (Taunus in Aus I think), they suddenly scrapped the
Cortina and introduced some jelly mould called a Serria. Later they
scrapped the Escort in favor of the weired shaped Focus.

Being a best seller doesn't always guarantee longevity.

--
[Oo=w=oO]

Nov 13 '05 #18
"Trevor Best" <no****@besty.o rg.uk> wrote in message
news:42******** **************@ news.zen.co.uk. ..
hmmm, in the UK Ford had the No 1 and 2 best selling cars and the Cortina


you've just betrayed your age there Trevor!! You didn't have a yellow one
with the black vinyl roof did you?
Nov 13 '05 #19
On Tue, 10 May 2005 08:31:12 +0100, "Mike MacSween"
<mi************ *************** @btinternet.com > wrote:
"Trevor Best" <no****@besty.o rg.uk> wrote in message
news:42******* *************** @news.zen.co.uk ...
hmmm, in the UK Ford had the No 1 and 2 best selling cars and the Cortina


you've just betrayed your age there Trevor!! You didn't have a yellow one
with the black vinyl roof did you?


Mine was fire engine red. I laid it to rest in 1974 somewhere in
Arizona. It survived cold winters in Michigan but gave up the ghost
when my mother spilled an orange soft drink onto the manual gearshift
boot - and unbeknownst to me at the time, said boot had a large hole
in it. :-(

mike
Nov 13 '05 #20

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