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O.T. - What is it with these web pages that BLOCK your BACK button, keeping you on their page???

MLH
Case in point...
http://www.woodplanet.com/index.cfm?...nc_2033511.htm
After reaching this URL, IE's Back button would not take me back to
Google, where I had located these guys in the first place. In all
fairness to them, their entire site is not riddled with pages that
supress the Back button's function. But this one was. Can I
override similar situations when they occur?

Also, is this something that I can expect to experience if launched
to a particular URL from Google. I don't know too much about URLs
or web pages or browsers. I just don't think its the best netiquette
for websites to do this.
Nov 12 '05 #1
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MLH <CR**@NorthStat e.net> wrote in
news:0e******** *************** *********@4ax.c om:
Case in point...
http://www.woodplanet.com/index.cfm?...alleyLumberSal
esInc_2033511.h tm After reaching this URL, IE's Back button would not
take me back to Google, where I had located these guys in the first
place. In all fairness to them, their entire site is not riddled with
pages that supress the Back button's function. But this one was. Can I
override similar situations when they occur?

Also, is this something that I can expect to experience if launched
to a particular URL from Google. I don't know too much about URLs
or web pages or browsers. I just don't think its the best netiquette
for websites to do this.


I see this more and more and I don't like it. In IE 6.? there is a smaller
vertical arrow beside the horizontal back arrow; clicking it allows you to
select from recently visited pages, and to circumvent the "no back"
condition.
Perhaps, other browsers have similar cpabilities.

Idiots are ruining the Internet. Spam, porn, and adware are so prevalent
that one has to fight constantly to keep this crap away. I clicked on an
innocent looking access link a month or so ago and it redirected me to a
site which dialed my telephone to some exotic number; the bill was about
$7.00 which was pretty much considering that I pulled the cord from the
receptacle almost immediately.

I've thought about launching DOS attacks on some of these sites,
programming many computers to hit them as repeatedly and quickly as the
program can, but that's illegal and I can guess who would get nailed. ...
Well maybe I'll hack into Larry's and David's computers and .... Nahhhhhh!

--
Lyle
(for e-mail refer to http://ffdba.com/contacts.htm)
Nov 12 '05 #2
MLH
Thx for the heads up on the 'little arrows' - I never noticed them.
Seemed to work for me. I tested and found out that I only seem
to experience the problem if I search for "valley lumber sales" on
Google and click the link to this URL that shows up there. If I type
in the URL manually and go there, my BACK button works. I'm
lost as to what's going on.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx
On 11 Jan 2004 16:48:43 GMT, Lyle Fairfield
<Mi************ @Invalid.Com> wrote:
MLH <CR**@NorthStat e.net> wrote in
news:0e******* *************** **********@4ax. com:
Case in point...
http://www.woodplanet.com/index.cfm?...alleyLumberSal
esInc_2033511.h tm After reaching this URL, IE's Back button would not
take me back to Google, where I had located these guys in the first
place. In all fairness to them, their entire site is not riddled with
pages that supress the Back button's function. But this one was. Can I
override similar situations when they occur?

Also, is this something that I can expect to experience if launched
to a particular URL from Google. I don't know too much about URLs
or web pages or browsers. I just don't think its the best netiquette
for websites to do this.


I see this more and more and I don't like it. In IE 6.? there is a smaller
vertical arrow beside the horizontal back arrow; clicking it allows you to
select from recently visited pages, and to circumvent the "no back"
condition.
Perhaps, other browsers have similar cpabilities.

Idiots are ruining the Internet. Spam, porn, and adware are so prevalent
that one has to fight constantly to keep this crap away. I clicked on an
innocent looking access link a month or so ago and it redirected me to a
site which dialed my telephone to some exotic number; the bill was about
$7.00 which was pretty much considering that I pulled the cord from the
receptacle almost immediately.

I've thought about launching DOS attacks on some of these sites,
programming many computers to hit them as repeatedly and quickly as the
program can, but that's illegal and I can guess who would get nailed. ...
Well maybe I'll hack into Larry's and David's computers and .... Nahhhhhh!


Nov 12 '05 #3
CR**@NorthState .net (MLH) wrote in
<0e************ *************** *****@4ax.com>:
Case in point...
http://www.woodplanet.com/index.cfm?...omps/ValleyLum
berSalesInc_20 33511.htm After reaching this URL, IE's Back button
would not take me back to Google, where I had located these guys
in the first place. In all fairness to them, their entire site is
not riddled with pages that supress the Back button's function.
But this one was. Can I override similar situations when they
occur?
I don't see the issue, either in IE6 or in Mozilla, or any other
browser I have on my machine (which includes 4 versions of IE (yes,
it can be done), 2 versions of Opera, Netscape 4.7, Firebird and
Mozilla).
Also, is this something that I can expect to experience if
launched to a particular URL from Google. I don't know too much
about URLs or web pages or browsers. I just don't think its the
best netiquette for websites to do this.


Are you certain the website is doing it?

Maybe you need to change your security settings in IE?

I can't say what my setup is doing that yours and Lyle's is *not*
doing, but I can guarantee you that I never run IE with its default
security settings. Indeed, I mostly don't run IE at all, because it
just isn't good enough as a browser.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Nov 12 '05 #4
CR**@NorthState .net (MLH) wrote in
<qf************ *************** *****@4ax.com>:
Thx for the heads up on the 'little arrows' - I never noticed
them. Seemed to work for me. I tested and found out that I only
seem to experience the problem if I search for "valley lumber
sales" on Google and click the link to this URL that shows up
there. If I type in the URL manually and go there, my BACK button
works. I'm lost as to what's going on.


It's a redirect from an old URL. Note that the URL listed in Google
is *not* the one that you end up at. This is because the site
you're going to is smart enough to take the old URL and convert it
to the new one. So, this is nothing nefarious -- it's just the way
redirects work.

However, I'll tell you this: Mozilla is smart enough to *not* put
the redirect in the BACK history. It takes you back to Google, not
to the URL that redirects you back to the original page.

I've said it many times: IE has been surpassed badly by Mozilla in
usability and rendering.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Nov 12 '05 #5
MLH <CR**@NorthStat e.net> wrote:
Case in point...
http://www.woodplanet.com/index.cfm?...nc_2033511.htm
After reaching this URL, IE's Back button would not take me back to
Google, where I had located these guys in the first place. In all
fairness to them, their entire site is not riddled with pages that
supress the Back button's function. But this one was. Can I
override similar situations when they occur?

Also, is this something that I can expect to experience if launched
to a particular URL from Google.


FWIW I always hold down the shift key when clicking on an external link from within
Google or other sites. This opens the site in a new window. This way once I'm done
I just close the window and return to the previous window and don't waste any time
redisplaying the results.

My websites also always open all external references the same way.

Tony
--
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Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
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Nov 12 '05 #6
tt****@teluspla net.net (Tony Toews) wrote in
<nu************ *************** *****@4ax.com>:
MLH <CR**@NorthStat e.net> wrote:
Case in point...
http://www.woodplanet.com/index.cfm?...comps/ValleyLu
mberSalesInc_ 2033511.htm After reaching this URL, IE's Back
button would not take me back to Google, where I had located
these guys in the first place. In all fairness to them, their
entire site is not riddled with pages that supress the Back
button's function. But this one was. Can I override similar
situations when they occur?

Also, is this something that I can expect to experience if
launched to a particular URL from Google.


FWIW I always hold down the shift key when clicking on an external
link from within Google or other sites. This opens the site in a
new window. This way once I'm done I just close the window and
return to the previous window and don't waste any time
redisplaying the results.


That was what I did back in the days when I still used
old-fashioned browsers that didn't provide a tabbed browsing
interface. Mozilla makes it easy to open windows in new tabs, and
preserve the original page, just as you say.

In any event, the reason the BACK button doesn't work as expected
is simply because of a redirect, not because of any nefarious
intent on the part of the website. And Mozilla, again, can handle
the redirect without exhibiting this problem.

Just for this one problem we have two areas in which Mozilla works
better than IE. I strongly suggest that everyone test Mozilla,
Firebird, Netscape or any other Mozilla-based browser to see if you
don't see how much better it is.

--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Nov 12 '05 #7
MLH
I LIKE that idea.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx

FWIW I always hold down the shift key when clicking on an external link from within
Google or other sites. This opens the site in a new window. This way once I'm done
I just close the window and return to the previous window and don't waste any time
redisplaying the results.


Nov 12 '05 #8

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