Great Reasons Not To Learn VB.NET - PART 1

Thinking of learning VB.NET? New programmer? Thinking of Moving over
from VB 6.0?

Read on friend, let me help you make a more informed decision.........

Microsoft are a pathetic company, but they have got worse over the last

5 years. Here are just a few reasons (there are many more), not to
sacrifice
your time learning a computer language that they have control over.

Stupid marketing
********************
Plenty of retarded marketing that no-one understands. Shrouding their
unwanted products in mystery. Read the web site and try to figure out
what each product "actually does". Steamlines workflow seamlessly -
blah blah fucking blah - it all means nothing to me - just
unintelligible marketing hype.

Constant change without benefit
*************************************
Invest you time over years learning computer languages and techniques -

only to have the techniques changed every 2 years and languages
discontinued. So you can flush everything you have learned down the
toilet.

What's more the "newer" "better" way is never newer or better.
Instead it is slower - with more code to write, more stupid wizards
that you don't want because you know you can't trust them and must
remain in control.

Changing the way recordsets work so that the underlying format is xml -

even though you don't need or want the additional complexity - as its
unnecessary for a normal database and you don't want to send text
files across the internet for every data use.

Total disregard for customers
**********************************
Despite a disappointed reaction from existing vb 6.0 developers MS
decided to to discontinue Visual Basic 4 years ago. VB.NET (or
whatever their stupid marketing dept is calling it this week) is not
actualy visual basic, it is a different language than vb 6.0, with only

a few syntax similarities. They only called it VB.NET to con the
existing VB 6.0 userbase into trying it - kind of insulting to the
intelligence. That truly is a representation of the despise that they
as a company show towards customers that have purchased products from
them over a number of years. Imagine what the amount would be in
dollars if you calculate the money that companies and individuals have
lost through wasted time since the introduction of vb.net.

I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again. From
now on I will be using open source solutions and programming languages.

Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.

The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.

The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.

If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.

lol.

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again. From
now on I will be using open source solutions and programming languages.
>
Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software.

If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
mouth firmly closed.

The Grand Master

Blake wrote:

Quote:

Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>
The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>
If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>
lol.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again. From
now on I will be using open source solutions and programming languages.

Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.

The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!

:-)

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software.
>
If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
mouth firmly closed.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
Blake wrote:

Quote:

Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.

The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.

If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.

lol.

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again. From
now on I will be using open source solutions and programming languages.
>
Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
then perform a low level format on them.

If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.

The Grand Master

Blake wrote:

Quote:

"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>
:-)
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software.

If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
mouth firmly closed.

The Grand Master

Blake wrote:

Quote:

Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>
The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>
If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>
lol.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again. From
now on I will be using open source solutions and programming languages.

Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.

The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

Supported by one of the largest companies in the world

A huge programmer base to draw from

If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)

Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)

Incredible support for any type of data

Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)

I can't believe I was against .Net 3 years ago. This is the most
robust, intuitive language I've ever worked with. I worked with
QuickBasic 4.5 and 7.0 professional many years ago. I remember when VB
1 came out and a lot of programmers were upset. I guess the difference
between me and Master Baiter (and Aaron) is that instead of whining
like my 2 yr old daughter, I just learned the new technology and moved
on.

I am still trying to figure out what he is a master programmer of...

Maybe his VCR.

Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
to your project.
james

"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegro ups.com...

Quote:

Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
then perform a low level format on them.
>
If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
Blake wrote:

Quote:

>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>
>:-)
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software.
>
If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
mouth firmly closed.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
Blake wrote:
Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>
The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>
If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>
lol.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
From
now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
languages.

Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.

The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

>

Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours. The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

Quote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...

Quote:

>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:

Quote:

>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

>>

>

Blake

eat shit, Master Programmer for CEO OF MICROSOFT

you got my vote, bro

VB.net sucks.. again.. what is it called THIS WEEK?

it's all going to change again; MS just wants to make you upgrade 4
times every DECADE

fuckers in Redmond should be drawn and QUARTERED for treating us like
this.

VB.net is the redheaded stepchild of C#; it will never be successful.
I have a friend at Microsoft that told me that they're going to
discontinue the language

-Aaron
ADP Nationalist

Blake wrote:

Quote:

Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>
The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>
If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>
lol.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again. From
now on I will be using open source solutions and programming languages.

Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.

The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.

I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?

The Grand Master

R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,
>
You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net saves
companies money and thats it.
>
From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours. The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line using a
Common Control with .Net.
>
If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.
>
;-)
>
Cheers.
>
"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:
>

Quote:

Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
to your project.
james

"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegro ups.com...

Quote:

Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
then perform a low level format on them.
>
If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
Blake wrote:
>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>
>:-)
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software.
>
If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
mouth firmly closed.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
Blake wrote:
Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>
The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>
If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>
lol.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
From
now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
languages.

Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.

The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>

Get real you idiot......

Quote:

Supported by one of the largest companies in the world

Yes the largest, greediest and the worst

Quote:

A huge programmer base to draw from

Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.

Quote:

If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)

Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.

Quote:

Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)

Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.

Quote:

Incredible support for any type of data

Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.

Quote:

Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.

The Grand Master

Actually a better idea is to create an open source project to randomly
damage parts of the framework, then fix them again after a short period
of time. But I guess as the framework was developed my MS there is no
need to, as they have that covered already.

The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

james wrote:

Quote:

Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
to your project.
james
>
>
>
"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegro ups.com...

Quote:

Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
then perform a low level format on them.

If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.

The Grand Master

Blake wrote:

Quote:

"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>
:-)
>
Master Programmer wrote:
There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software.

If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
mouth firmly closed.

The Grand Master

Blake wrote:
Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>
The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>
If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>
lol.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
From
now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
languages.

Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.

The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours. The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

Quote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

Dear Master Programmer,

Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.

Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.

What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.

What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.

Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.

It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.

Cheers.

R

"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:

Quote:

>fully agree man
>
>preach the good word man
>maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
>ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

>You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
>whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
>functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
>general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
>that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>>
>I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
>fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,
>
You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for

money,

Quote:

not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get

solutions in

Quote:

hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net

saves

Quote:

companies money and thats it.
>
From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime

errors

Quote:

and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.

The

Quote:

code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line

using a

Quote:

Common Control with .Net.
>
If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.
>
;-)
>
Cheers.
>
"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:
>
>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

yeah I've also found people that say that swampland in florida is a
viable investment.

personally when I hear HOGWASH i recognize it

my friend took a year of VB.net in college; and he can't do jack shit
with it

OOP shouldn't be taught in college; it's unnecessary crap that makes
your software RUN SLOWER.

it's not a FEATURE it's a handicap

-Aaron

R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.
>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>

Quote:

fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for

money,

Quote:

not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get

solutions in

Quote:

hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net

saves

Quote:

companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime

errors

Quote:

and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.

The

Quote:

code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line

using a

Quote:

Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

TOTALY AGREE

With you 100% on that one Aaron. Garbage for academics to try to
impress each other. All of these clowns just jump on board for the
ride, because they don't have the balls to think for themselves.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

yeah I've also found people that say that swampland in florida is a
viable investment.
>
personally when I hear HOGWASH i recognize it
>
my friend took a year of VB.net in college; and he can't do jack shit
with it
>
OOP shouldn't be taught in college; it's unnecessary crap that makes
your software RUN SLOWER.
>
it's not a FEATURE it's a handicap
>
-Aaron
>
>
R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,

Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.

Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.

What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.

What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.

Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.

It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.

Cheers.

R

"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:

Quote:

>fully agree man
>
>preach the good word man
>maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
>ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>Master Programmer wrote:
>You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
>whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
>functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
>general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
>that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>>
>I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
>fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for

money,

Quote:

not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get

solutions in

Quote:

hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net

saves

Quote:

companies money and thats it.
>
From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime

errors

Quote:

and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.

The

Quote:

code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line

using a

Quote:

Common Control with .Net.
>
If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.
>
;-)
>
Cheers.
>
"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:
>
>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

bwhahahaha.

You guys crack me up.

I'd love to keep trolling with you but unfortunately some of us have to
write real code for a living.

If you ever get a job you'll understand. :-)

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

TOTALY AGREE
>
With you 100% on that one Aaron. Garbage for academics to try to
impress each other. All of these clowns just jump on board for the
ride, because they don't have the balls to think for themselves.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

yeah I've also found people that say that swampland in florida is a
viable investment.

personally when I hear HOGWASH i recognize it

my friend took a year of VB.net in college; and he can't do jack shit
with it

OOP shouldn't be taught in college; it's unnecessary crap that makes
your software RUN SLOWER.

it's not a FEATURE it's a handicap

-Aaron

R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.
>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>
fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

rofl

i've got a lot of jobs.. I think that I could pick any city over
100,000 in the nation and get a job offer TOMORROW

im over it

gonna be on here a lot more these next couple of weeks you kids better
tell me something fun to do or else im gonna tear some shit up

i wanna write a vb.net search engine
and I want some code reviews over pizza

im in tacoma, wa.. who is in?

-aaron

Blake wrote:

Quote:

bwhahahaha.
>
You guys crack me up.
>
I'd love to keep trolling with you but unfortunately some of us have to
write real code for a living.
>
If you ever get a job you'll understand. :-)
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

TOTALY AGREE

With you 100% on that one Aaron. Garbage for academics to try to
impress each other. All of these clowns just jump on board for the
ride, because they don't have the balls to think for themselves.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

yeah I've also found people that say that swampland in florida is a
viable investment.
>
personally when I hear HOGWASH i recognize it
>
my friend took a year of VB.net in college; and he can't do jack shit
with it
>
OOP shouldn't be taught in college; it's unnecessary crap that makes
your software RUN SLOWER.
>
it's not a FEATURE it's a handicap
>
-Aaron
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.

Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.

What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.

What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.

Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.

It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.

Cheers.

R

"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:

>fully agree man
>
>preach the good word man
>maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
>ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>Master Programmer wrote:
>You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
>whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
>functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
>general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
>that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>>
>I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
>fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.
>
From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.
>
If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.
>
;-)
>
Cheers.
>
"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:
>
>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

Some of us are committed to forcing changes, so devote a lot of our
time to this.

The Grand Master

Blake wrote:

Quote:

bwhahahaha.
>
You guys crack me up.
>
I'd love to keep trolling with you but unfortunately some of us have to
write real code for a living.
>
If you ever get a job you'll understand. :-)
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

TOTALY AGREE

With you 100% on that one Aaron. Garbage for academics to try to
impress each other. All of these clowns just jump on board for the
ride, because they don't have the balls to think for themselves.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

yeah I've also found people that say that swampland in florida is a
viable investment.
>
personally when I hear HOGWASH i recognize it
>
my friend took a year of VB.net in college; and he can't do jack shit
with it
>
OOP shouldn't be taught in college; it's unnecessary crap that makes
your software RUN SLOWER.
>
it's not a FEATURE it's a handicap
>
-Aaron
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.

Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.

What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.

What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.

Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.

It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.

Cheers.

R

"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:

>fully agree man
>
>preach the good word man
>maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
>ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>Master Programmer wrote:
>You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
>whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
>functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
>general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
>that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>>
>I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
>fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.
>
From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.
>
If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.
>
;-)
>
Cheers.
>
"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:
>
>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

Aaron, I may need to take a few days off next month. Do you think that
you can do me a favour and cover for me when I am away? I know its a
bit of added workload, but I can return the favour, so that things
don't get too quiet here.

I have been working on a auto-bot scripting tool that can post a number
of flames and abusive replies, but its not quite complete and still
needs a bit of human intervention. It should be complete in about 6
weeks - then I will really show these fuckers. Its difficult to get
the time as I am so busy with work, most companies in my area that
won't go near VB.NET, so VB 6.0 jobs just keep rolling in.

In the meantime I plan to step things up now and be a lot more active
in the newsgroup. I think with a little more effort we can really make
a difference.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

rofl
>
i've got a lot of jobs.. I think that I could pick any city over
100,000 in the nation and get a job offer TOMORROW
>
im over it
>
gonna be on here a lot more these next couple of weeks you kids better
tell me something fun to do or else im gonna tear some shit up
>
i wanna write a vb.net search engine
and I want some code reviews over pizza
>
im in tacoma, wa.. who is in?
>
-aaron
>
>
>
Blake wrote:

Quote:

bwhahahaha.

You guys crack me up.

I'd love to keep trolling with you but unfortunately some of us have to
write real code for a living.

If you ever get a job you'll understand. :-)

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

TOTALY AGREE
>
With you 100% on that one Aaron. Garbage for academics to try to
impress each other. All of these clowns just jump on board for the
ride, because they don't have the balls to think for themselves.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
yeah I've also found people that say that swampland in florida is a
viable investment.

personally when I hear HOGWASH i recognize it

my friend took a year of VB.net in college; and he can't do jack shit
with it

OOP shouldn't be taught in college; it's unnecessary crap that makes
your software RUN SLOWER.

it's not a FEATURE it's a handicap

-Aaron

R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.
>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>
fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

Sorry mate. I Don't believe you. Have a nice day :-)

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

rofl
>
i've got a lot of jobs.. I think that I could pick any city over
100,000 in the nation and get a job offer TOMORROW
>
im over it
>
gonna be on here a lot more these next couple of weeks you kids better
tell me something fun to do or else im gonna tear some shit up
>
i wanna write a vb.net search engine
and I want some code reviews over pizza
>
im in tacoma, wa.. who is in?
>
-aaron
>
>
>
Blake wrote:

Quote:

bwhahahaha.

You guys crack me up.

I'd love to keep trolling with you but unfortunately some of us have to
write real code for a living.

If you ever get a job you'll understand. :-)

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

TOTALY AGREE
>
With you 100% on that one Aaron. Garbage for academics to try to
impress each other. All of these clowns just jump on board for the
ride, because they don't have the balls to think for themselves.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
yeah I've also found people that say that swampland in florida is a
viable investment.

personally when I hear HOGWASH i recognize it

my friend took a year of VB.net in college; and he can't do jack shit
with it

OOP shouldn't be taught in college; it's unnecessary crap that makes
your software RUN SLOWER.

it's not a FEATURE it's a handicap

-Aaron

R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.
>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>
fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !

Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....

- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn

Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.

I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).

So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.

The Grand Master (Commercial)

R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.
>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>

Quote:

fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for

money,

Quote:

not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get

solutions in

Quote:

hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net

saves

Quote:

companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime

errors

Quote:

and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.

The

Quote:

code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line

using a

Quote:

Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.

"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software." MP

Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
you're after, a bit of attention.

I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
now, isn't it.

Quan

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !
>
Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....
>
- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn
>
Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.
>
I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).
>
So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.
>
The Grand Master (Commercial)
>
>
>
>
R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,

Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.

Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.

What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.

What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.

Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.

It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.

Cheers.

R

"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:

Quote:

>fully agree man
>
>preach the good word man
>maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
>ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>Master Programmer wrote:
>You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
>whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
>functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
>general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
>that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>>
>I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
>fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for

money,

Quote:

not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get

solutions in

Quote:

hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net

saves

Quote:

companies money and thats it.
>
From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime

errors

Quote:

and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.

The

Quote:

code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line

using a

Quote:

Common Control with .Net.
>
If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.
>
;-)
>
Cheers.
>
"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:
>
>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

industry standards?

ITS NOT ON ALL THE WORLDS DESKTOPS

you fucking retards don't need to learn ADO.net; you need to learn SQL
Server

academics is the problem; because some fat lazy retard prof that
eschewed the 'wonderful wonderful world of oop' is why these
cocksuckers killed our language.

'oh, we will just make it BETTER'
rofl

NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVE OR UPGRADE PATH; WERE ALL MOVING TO PHP, DIPSHITS

-Aaron

MrQuan wrote:

Quote:

I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.
>
"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software." MP
>
Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
you're after, a bit of attention.
>
I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
now, isn't it.
>
Quan
>
Master Programmer wrote:
>

Quote:

Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !

Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....

- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn

Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.

I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).

So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.

The Grand Master (Commercial)

R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.
>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>
fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

there IS reason to stand up for VB.
it was the worlds' most popular language.

And when WE STAND UP FOR IT; YOU AND YOUR M$ CRAP TRY TO ATTACK US WITH
FUD

WE ARE REACTIONARY YOU DOTNOT FAGS ARE THE ONES WHO STARTED THIS FIGHT

-Aaron

MrQuan wrote:

Quote:

I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.
>
"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software." MP
>
Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
you're after, a bit of attention.
>
I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
now, isn't it.
>
Quan
>
Master Programmer wrote:
>

Quote:

Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !

Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....

- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn

Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.

I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).

So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.

The Grand Master (Commercial)

R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.
>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>
fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

Dear Master Programmer,

It's good that you are sceptical of the way others think. But understanding algorithms
and data structures are difficult, but necessary, for people to grasp. Hence why
VB.Net is applauded. The guy who wrote that paper I quoted previously works in the
same place as Bjarne Stroustrap.

As for growth, 57% of businesses in the USA incorporate .Net into their projects. This
doesn't take into account Europe, Middle East or Asia.

The reason why it is so popular is because using it for OOP, not just in
academia, is because turn around time is shorter. How VB enforces us to implement
polymorphism, encapsulation or inheritance, as it is in .Net, isn't clear.

As you correctly pointed out, OOP code has execution overheads but this is the same
for any OO language, even C++. This has been known in industry for well over ten
years, MP.

Also, because OOP code takes more time to execute, means that we should stop
developing in it? You may as well say, "Stop developing in OOP languages altogether,
including the mighty Java", because this language suffers from OO overhead too.

You keep saying how we should stick to VB6, like it is some ''awesome systems
programming'', language like C. Sorry if this offends you but the bigger picture is that
VB is just a Microsoft product, whose creators will not go down in history like Ritchie or
Kernighan. VB6 is a MS product that is quickly being forgotton about.

Merry Xmas.

R

"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:

Quote:

>there IS reason to stand up for VB.
>it was the worlds' most popular language.
>
>And when WE STAND UP FOR IT; YOU AND YOUR M$ CRAP TRY TO ATTACK

US WITH

Quote:

>FUD
>
>WE ARE REACTIONARY YOU DOTNOT FAGS ARE THE ONES WHO STARTED

THIS FIGHT

Quote:

>
>-Aaron
>
>
>
>MrQuan wrote:

Quote:

>I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.
>>
>"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software." MP
>>
>Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
>microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
>you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
>you're after, a bit of attention.
>>
>I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
>Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
>with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
>academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
>VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
>and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
>knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
>now, isn't it.
>>
>Quan
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
>>

Quote:

Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !
>
Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....
>
- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn
>
Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.
>
I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).
>
So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.
>
The Grand Master (Commercial)
>
>
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas

A&M

Quote:

University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic

Net",

Quote:

published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only

in 1st,

Quote:

but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons

who

Quote:

think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their

own

Quote:

free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel,

Oberon,

Quote:

BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice

when it

Quote:

comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated

Development.

Quote:

>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will

also

Quote:

benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic

memory

Quote:

allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>
fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR

LANGUAGES?

Quote:

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some

built-in

Quote:

functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it

for

Quote:

money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view,

using .Net

Quote:

saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and

runtime

Quote:

errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few

hours.

Quote:

The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one

line

Quote:

using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches

instructions to

Quote:

multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our

projects.

Quote:

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in

message

Quote:

>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming

back.

Quote:

>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

I call bullshit on your statistic.

just because I run Windows Update; that doesn't mean that I
'incorporate .NET in their projects'

what percentage of SOFTWARE DRIVERS require .NET?

what percentage of people are still on dialup? 60%?
it's impractical to have dialup users ever download a 150 mb .NET
framework install

turn around time ISNT shorter for OOP.
I call HOGWASH on your ass.

I think that this:

Quote:

Also, because OOP code takes more time to execute, means that we should stop
developing in it? You may as well say, "Stop developing in OOP languages altogether,
including the mighty Java", because this language suffers from OO overhead too.

Is the _TRUEST_STATEMENT_EVER_

fuck java and fuck .NET
I'll just use PHP for the next 50 years; see if I give a damn

PHP is the natural successor to VB6

And for the record.. VB6 is not going to be FORGOTTEN.

IT WAS THE MOST POPULAR LANGUAGE OF THE REST; AND VB6 IS PROBABLY STILL
MORE POPULAR THAN ALL THIS .NET CRAP

Excel Macros
Outlook Macros
Access Macros
Word Macros
Save a DTS package as VB.net
Write a VBS file in VB.net
ServerSide ASP in VB.net
CLIENTSIDE DHTML in VB.net

when I can do _ALL_ of those in vb.net then maybe I'll stop bitching.
As it is; they've replaced ONE LANGUAGE WITH THREE.

Movig From VB6, VB6, VB6 and VB6
to
C#, VB.net, VB6 and JAVASCRIPT-- this is a lose, lose proposition.

I know that your VB.net calculator takes 30 seconds to launch-- so many
you can't calculate this yet.

BUT ASKING ALL USERS OF THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGE TO MOVE FROM
ONE LANGUAGE TO _FOUR_

FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR FUCKING STUPID ASS DOT NOT MOTHERFUCKER

-Aaron

R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,
>
It's good that you are sceptical of the way others think. But understanding algorithms
and data structures are difficult, but necessary, for people to grasp. Hence why
VB.Net is applauded. The guy who wrote that paper I quoted previously works in the
same place as Bjarne Stroustrap.
>
As for growth, 57% of businesses in the USA incorporate .Net into their projects. This
doesn't take into account Europe, Middle East or Asia.
>
The reason why it is so popular is because using it for OOP, not just in
academia, is because turn around time is shorter. How VB enforces us to implement
polymorphism, encapsulation or inheritance, as it is in .Net, isn't clear.
>
As you correctly pointed out, OOP code has execution overheads but this is the same
for any OO language, even C++. This has been known in industry for well over ten
years, MP.
>
Also, because OOP code takes more time to execute, means that we should stop
developing in it? You may as well say, "Stop developing in OOP languages altogether,
including the mighty Java", because this language suffers from OO overhead too.
>
You keep saying how we should stick to VB6, like it is some ''awesome systems
programming'', language like C. Sorry if this offends you but the bigger picture is that
VB is just a Microsoft product, whose creators will not go down in history like Ritchie or
Kernighan. VB6 is a MS product that is quickly being forgotton about.
>
Merry Xmas.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>

Quote:

there IS reason to stand up for VB.
it was the worlds' most popular language.

And when WE STAND UP FOR IT; YOU AND YOUR M$ CRAP TRY TO ATTACK

US WITH

Quote:

FUD

WE ARE REACTIONARY YOU DOTNOT FAGS ARE THE ONES WHO STARTED

THIS FIGHT

Quote:

-Aaron

MrQuan wrote:

Quote:

I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.
>
"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software." MP
>
Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
you're after, a bit of attention.
>
I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
now, isn't it.
>
Quan
>
Master Programmer wrote:
>
Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !

Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....

- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn

Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.

I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).

So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.

The Grand Master (Commercial)

R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas

A&M

Quote:

University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic

Net",

Quote:

published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only

in 1st,

Quote:

but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons

who

Quote:

think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their

own

Quote:

free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel,

Oberon,

Quote:

BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice

when it

Quote:

comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated

Development.

Quote:

>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will

also

Quote:

benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic

memory

Quote:

allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>
fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR

LANGUAGES?

Quote:

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some

built-in

Quote:

functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it

for

Quote:

money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view,

using .Net

Quote:

saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and

runtime

Quote:

errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few

hours.

Quote:

The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one

line

Quote:

using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches

instructions to

Quote:

multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our

projects.

Quote:

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in

message

Quote:

>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming

back.

Quote:

>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

mother fucking cornholers and faggots at M$ that killed the WORLDS MOST
POPULAR LANGUAGE I HOPE YOU CHOKE AND DIE

-Aaron

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

there IS reason to stand up for VB.
it was the worlds' most popular language.
>
And when WE STAND UP FOR IT; YOU AND YOUR M$ CRAP TRY TO ATTACK US WITH
FUD
>
WE ARE REACTIONARY YOU DOTNOT FAGS ARE THE ONES WHO STARTED THIS FIGHT
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
MrQuan wrote:

Quote:

I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.

"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software." MP

Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
you're after, a bit of attention.

I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
now, isn't it.

Quan

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !
>
Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....
>
- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn
>
Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.
>
I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).
>
So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.
>
The Grand Master (Commercial)
>
>
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.

Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.

What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.

What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.

Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.

It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.

Cheers.

R

"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:

>fully agree man
>
>preach the good word man
>maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
>ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>Master Programmer wrote:
>You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
>whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
>functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
>general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
>that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>>
>I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
>fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.
>
From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.
>
If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.
>
;-)
>
Cheers.
>
"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:
>
>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR 'I DON"T KNOW HOW TO PROGRAM WITH A
REAL OO LANGUAGE'

:-)

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

mother fucking cornholers and faggots at M$ that killed the WORLDS MOST
POPULAR LANGUAGE I HOPE YOU CHOKE AND DIE
>
>
-Aaron
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

there IS reason to stand up for VB.
it was the worlds' most popular language.

And when WE STAND UP FOR IT; YOU AND YOUR M$ CRAP TRY TO ATTACK US WITH
FUD

WE ARE REACTIONARY YOU DOTNOT FAGS ARE THE ONES WHO STARTED THIS FIGHT

-Aaron

MrQuan wrote:

Quote:

I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.
>
"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software." MP
>
Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
you're after, a bit of attention.
>
I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
now, isn't it.
>
Quan
>
Master Programmer wrote:
>
Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !

Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....

- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn

Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.

I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).

So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.

The Grand Master (Commercial)

R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.
>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>
fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

Listen shit-boy. I didnt grant you permission to answer, I never asked
for your reply.

If you persist then I will single you out and you will be hunted /
victimized through-out usenet. You better be scared, because I will
flame the fuck out of you for months.

The Grand Master

MrQuan wrote:

Quote:

I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.
>
"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software." MP
>
Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
you're after, a bit of attention.
>
I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
now, isn't it.
>
Quan
>
Master Programmer wrote:
>

Quote:

Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !

Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....

- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn

Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.

I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).

So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.

The Grand Master (Commercial)

R wrote:

Quote:

Dear Master Programmer,
>
Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.
>
Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.
>
What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.
>
What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.
>
Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.
>
It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.
>
Cheers.
>
R
>
"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:
>
fully agree man

preach the good word man
maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>
I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>
The Grand Master
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.

From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.

If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.

;-)

Cheers.

"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:

>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

Hahahaha I havent't laughed that hard in ages. Thanks :-)

I doubt you have the skills to hunt anything, you loser.

hahahahahaha. Sorry I am still laughing at you little boy.

Come on. Bring it on. I need the entertainment, at least until you get
too boring.

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Listen shit-boy. I didnt grant you permission to answer, I never asked
for your reply.
>
If you persist then I will single you out and you will be hunted /
victimized through-out usenet. You better be scared, because I will
flame the fuck out of you for months.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
MrQuan wrote:

Quote:

I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.

"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software." MP

Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
you're after, a bit of attention.

I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
now, isn't it.

Quan

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !
>
Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....
>
- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn
>
Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.
>
I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).
>
So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.
>
The Grand Master (Commercial)
>
>
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.

Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.

What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.

What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.

Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.

It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.

Cheers.

R

"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:

>fully agree man
>
>preach the good word man
>maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
>ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>Master Programmer wrote:
>You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
>whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
>functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
>general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
>that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>>
>I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
>fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.
>
From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.
>
If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.
>
;-)
>
Cheers.
>
"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:
>
>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

eat a dick fucknut

I've gotten fired for yelling at people using UPPER CASE and you
fucking TREKKIE BITCHES CAN EAT A DICK

using uppercase is _NOT_ yelling

-Aaron

Blake wrote:

Quote:

CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR 'I DON"T KNOW HOW TO PROGRAM WITH A
REAL OO LANGUAGE'
>
:-)
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

mother fucking cornholers and faggots at M$ that killed the WORLDS MOST
POPULAR LANGUAGE I HOPE YOU CHOKE AND DIE

-Aaron

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

there IS reason to stand up for VB.
it was the worlds' most popular language.
>
And when WE STAND UP FOR IT; YOU AND YOUR M$ CRAP TRY TO ATTACK US WITH
FUD
>
WE ARE REACTIONARY YOU DOTNOT FAGS ARE THE ONES WHO STARTED THIS FIGHT
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
MrQuan wrote:
I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.

"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software." MP

Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
you're after, a bit of attention.

I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
now, isn't it.

Quan

Master Programmer wrote:

Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !
>
Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....
>
- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn
>
Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.
>
I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).
>
So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.
>
The Grand Master (Commercial)
>
>
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.

Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.

What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.

What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.

Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.

It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.

Cheers.

R

"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:

>fully agree man
>
>preach the good word man
>maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
>ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>Master Programmer wrote:
>You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
>whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
>functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
>general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
>that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>>
>I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
>fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.
>
From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.
>
If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.
>
;-)
>
Cheers.
>
"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:
>
>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

I really would like to nominate MP to be president and CEO of MS..

Can we get an MSDN-style election for that?

anyone know how to do that in MSDN land; I swore off anything named
MSDN ever since it takes 30 seconds for me to launch my help files
now.. on a 3ghz machine with 2gb ram :)

-Aaron

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

Blake
>
eat shit, Master Programmer for CEO OF MICROSOFT
>
you got my vote, bro
>
VB.net sucks.. again.. what is it called THIS WEEK?
>
it's all going to change again; MS just wants to make you upgrade 4
times every DECADE
>
fuckers in Redmond should be drawn and QUARTERED for treating us like
this.
>
VB.net is the redheaded stepchild of C#; it will never be successful.
I have a friend at Microsoft that told me that they're going to
discontinue the language
>
-Aaron
ADP Nationalist
>
Blake wrote:

Quote:

Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.

The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.

If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.

lol.

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again. From
now on I will be using open source solutions and programming languages.
>
Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
The Grand Master
*** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
*** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
*** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***

I freelance; I get 8-10 calls a month for SQL Server work.

so thus; XML is obsolete and so is .NET?

XML is a fucking waste of time you fucking retards; I can do it bigger
better and faster in a database

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Get real you idiot......
>

Quote:

Supported by one of the largest companies in the world

>
Yes the largest, greediest and the worst
>

Quote:

A huge programmer base to draw from

>
Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.
>

Quote:

If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)

>
Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.
>

Quote:

Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)

>
Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.
>

Quote:

Incredible support for any type of data

>
Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.
>

Quote:

Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)

>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.
>
The Grand Master

Grand Master; keep them rolling

this :

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

is a classic line

I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
word; brother.

I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.

MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
and gave them a gas shower

and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Get real you idiot......
>

Quote:

Supported by one of the largest companies in the world

>
Yes the largest, greediest and the worst
>

Quote:

A huge programmer base to draw from

>
Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.
>

Quote:

If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)

>
Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.
>

Quote:

Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)

>
Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.
>

Quote:

Incredible support for any type of data

>
Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.
>

Quote:

Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)

>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.
>
The Grand Master

awww poor little baby. Want a tissue to wipe away those tears?

Or would you prefer to keep crying and banging away at your little
tantrum?

hahaha

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

Grand Master; keep them rolling
>
>
this :
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
>
is a classic line
>
I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
word; brother.
>
I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.
>
MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
and gave them a gas shower
>
and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Get real you idiot......

Quote:

Supported by one of the largest companies in the world

Yes the largest, greediest and the worst

Quote:

A huge programmer base to draw from

Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.

Quote:

If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)

Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.

Quote:

Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)

Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.

Quote:

Incredible support for any type of data

Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.

Quote:

Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.

The Grand Master

Blake,

You know as well as I that 'the tantrum' wins out... LOL

"Blake" <blake.ackland@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1166242276.077704.165270@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Quote:

awww poor little baby. Want a tissue to wipe away those tears?
>
Or would you prefer to keep crying and banging away at your little
tantrum?
>
hahaha
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

>Grand Master; keep them rolling
>>
>>
>this :
>>
>You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>>
>>
>is a classic line
>>
>I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
>word; brother.
>>
>I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
>president of MS.
>he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.
>>
>MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
>and gave them a gas shower
>>
>and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
>VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5
>>
>-Aaron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Get real you idiot......
>
Supported by one of the largest companies in the world
>
Yes the largest, greediest and the worst
>
A huge programmer base to draw from
>
Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.
>
If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an
average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)
>
Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.
>
Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)
>
Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.
>
Incredible support for any type of data
>
Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.
>
Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development
tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.
>
The Grand Master

>

.... and have you noticed how he's lumped ALL of the VB6 programmers that are
actually making a living in VB.NET into his little group. Doesn't have any
hard numbers to play with so he makes them up.

"Blake" <blake.ackland@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1166242276.077704.165270@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Quote:

awww poor little baby. Want a tissue to wipe away those tears?
>
Or would you prefer to keep crying and banging away at your little
tantrum?
>
hahaha
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

>Grand Master; keep them rolling
>>
>>
>this :
>>
>You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>>
>>
>is a classic line
>>
>I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
>word; brother.
>>
>I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
>president of MS.
>he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.
>>
>MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
>and gave them a gas shower
>>
>and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
>VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5
>>
>-Aaron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Get real you idiot......
>
Supported by one of the largest companies in the world
>
Yes the largest, greediest and the worst
>
A huge programmer base to draw from
>
Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.
>
If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an
average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)
>
Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.
>
Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)
>
Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.
>
Incredible support for any type of data
>
Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.
>
Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development
tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.
>
The Grand Master

>

Times are changing whether you accept it or not, for whatever reason.
You're missing the point, industry standards isn't a single blanket
solution for every possible problem. However, .NET (and particularly
VB.NET) is now the weapon of choice when we examine what used to be the
VB6 market.

You imply by your narrowminded comments that we here don't know SQL
Server, PHP, etc? Wait, what are you arguing about now? I have
knowledge and experience in many programming languages and platforms.

What are you, 13 years old? Grow up.

It's obvious that you're just trolling this usenet group, so I'll stop
this pointless arguing with you. You're not here to learn or be
involved with meaningfull conversation.

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

industry standards?
>
ITS NOT ON ALL THE WORLDS DESKTOPS
>
you fucking retards don't need to learn ADO.net; you need to learn SQL
Server
>
academics is the problem; because some fat lazy retard prof that
eschewed the 'wonderful wonderful world of oop' is why these
cocksuckers killed our language.
>
'oh, we will just make it BETTER'
rofl
>
NO VIABLE ALTERNATIVE OR UPGRADE PATH; WERE ALL MOVING TO PHP, DIPSHITS
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
MrQuan wrote:

Quote:

I appreciate your love for VB6, but keep it out of my face.

"There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
should not use the software." MP

Yeah... that's why you posted your little vb ego-trip in the
microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.vb usenet group. It's obvious that
you would receive a firey reaction, so I can only assume that's what
you're after, a bit of attention.

I, like 99% of people here, am very happy to use the .NET framework.
Either because of industry demands (i.e. earning a living, and keeping
with the times), or due to it's object oriented approach. I'm no
academic boffin or PHD scholar, but from a day-to-day point of view,
VB.NET saves me a lot of time (and yes I used to programme in VB 4, 5
and 6 for many years). Why do you talk like high education, wisdom or
knowledge are bad anyways? ... oh wait... the reason's kind of obvious
now, isn't it.

Quan

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Exactly Roddy - you hit it on the nail !
>
Academics love it, that is a very BAD thing !!! Academics (unlike
normal people) prefer over-complexity. This can be driven by a number
of things.....
>
- Need to show off to peers (be "recognized")
- Mental stimulation (in their own little cushioned world)
- Want of fame (to go down in history for an invention)
- Feeling of superiority
- Time to burn
>
Unlike a programmer in the real world (instead of a uni lab) for them
there is no need for any type of commercial success - speed is not
important. They would rather just "play around with OOP" and wile the
time away making some crazy invention.
>
I know of a few companies that have a standard policy of refusing to
employ any academic type programmers, because they try to make
everything "technically perfect" - but it takes them forever to finish
anything (if they ever do).
>
So yes - you are right. Academics would like VB.NET. Which is
precisely the reason it is of no use whatsoever in the *Real World*.
>
The Grand Master (Commercial)
>
>
>
>
R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,

Read this paper by H.P Haiduk, Director of Academic Computing at West Texas A&M
University. "Object Orientated Classic Data Structures For CS2 in Visual Basic .Net",
published in 2002. This paper is available through the ACM.

Haiduk argues that VB.Net should be considered as a viable alternative not only in 1st,
but also 2nd year Computer Science, Software Engineering, I.T degree and
postgraduate courses.

What you will see when you read this, is that .Net is actually adopted by persons who
think freely, outwith businesses, for example, those who make choices from their own
free will, like philosophers and life long academics.

What this means, (sorry if you find this offensive MP), but Pascal, Delphi, Eiffel, Oberon,
BASIC, Java and possibly C++ could actually be considered second choice when it
comes to teaching programmers from the ground up in Object Orientated Development.

Also, Haiduk strongly implies in his paper that Second Year Undergraduates will also
benefit from the classic data structures VB.Net has to offer such as dynamic memory
allocation, hash tables etc.

It's ok to make mistakes, but only an idiot perists in his error.

Cheers.

R

"aaron.kempf@gmail.com" <aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote:

>fully agree man
>
>preach the good word man
>maybe someone in Redmond with a fucking clue will notice that they
>ACCIDENTLY TORPEDOED THE WORLDS MOST POPULAR LANGUAGES?
>
>-Aaron
>
>
>Master Programmer wrote:
>You my friend have been sucked in by the bullshit they try to feed us,
>whats more you are WRONG WRONG WRONG. Yes they do have some built-in
>functions to do certain things like the registry or NT services BUT in
>general the verbosity of the code required in all situations - means
>that you must type MANY MANY more lines of code.
>>
>I most certainly DO NOT consider the IDE to be better either. What the
>fuck happened to the SDI environment?
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>R wrote:
Dear Master Programmer,
>
You are in the wrong newsgroup mate. The guys who work with VB do it for
money,
not because it's considered to be cool, but because industry pays us to get
solutions in
hours rather than in weeks or months. From an industry point of view, using .Net
saves
companies money and thats it.
>
From a programmer view, it has a decent tools, a good debugger and runtime
errors
and bugs which surface after a rollout can normally be rectified within a few hours.
The
code that takes 300 lines of VB (or turning to the APi), can be done in one line
using a
Common Control with .Net.
>
If you want a cool VB6 project, develop a module that dispatches instructions to
multiple CPU's, if they are present, which integrates transparently to our projects.
>
;-)
>
Cheers.
>
"james" <jjames700REMOVEME@earthlink.netwrote:
>
>Go one step further and take it all the way back to DOS. :-)
>Hope your emailbox doesn't get too overloaded from all the responses
>to your project.
>james
>
>
>
>"Master Programmer" <master_programmer@outgun.comwrote in message
>news:1166001745.456160.212650@16g2000cwy.googlegr oups.com...
>Actually I am thinking of creating an open source project (in vb 6.0)
>to completely remove any version of the framework, VS and .NET
>programs. It will remove files, clean the registry and obliterate any
>trace of anything .NET. First I will copy all files to one location
>then perform a low level format on them.
>>
>If anyone is interested in being involved just drop me a line.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>>"Master" programmer loves VB.NET!
>>>
>>:-)
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>There is no reason to be rude, I am just trying to help aspiring
>programmers by giving them a real picture of Microsoft and why they
>should not use the software.
>>
>If you have nothing constructive to add I suggest you keep your ugly
>mouth firmly closed.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:
>Oh Yeah? I don't believe you.
>>
>The only way you can prove it is by going away and never coming back.
>>
>If we hear from you again in here we will have to assume that you
>cannot infact stay away from VB.NET.
>>
>lol.
>>
>>
>Master Programmer wrote:
> I for one do not plan of getting screwed over by Microsoft again.
> From
> now on I will be using open source solutions and programming
> languages.
>
> Languages that do not leave you at the mercy of these idiots.
>
>
> The Grand Master
> *** VbCrLF: "Visual Basic Classic Revival Liberation Front" ***
> *** VB 6.0 Jihad - Fighing for what belongs to us. ***
> *** http://classicvb.org/Petition ***
>>
>

I think he also includes every person who ever wrote
a macro in Office as a VB6 programmer. With that criteria,
I can boil water, so I must be a chef! Woohoo!

Robin S.
----------------------------------
"Bruce W. Darby" <kracor@comcast.netwrote in message
news:1-idncYlYNCS5B7YnZ2dnUVZ_vmqnZ2d@comcast.com...

Quote:

... and have you noticed how he's lumped ALL of the VB6 programmers
that are actually making a living in VB.NET into his little group.
Doesn't have any hard numbers to play with so he makes them up.
>
"Blake" <blake.ackland@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1166242276.077704.165270@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Quote:

>awww poor little baby. Want a tissue to wipe away those tears?
>>
>Or would you prefer to keep crying and banging away at your little
>tantrum?
>>
>hahaha
>>
>aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

>>Grand Master; keep them rolling
>>>
>>>
>>this :
>>>
>>You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB
>>customers.
>>>
>>>
>>is a classic line
>>>
>>I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
>>word; brother.
>>>
>>I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be
>>the
>>president of MS.
>>he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.
>>>
>>MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration
>>camp
>>and gave them a gas shower
>>>
>>and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
>>VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5
>>>
>>-Aaron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Master Programmer wrote:
>Get real you idiot......
>>
>Supported by one of the largest companies in the world
>>
>Yes the largest, greediest and the worst
>>
>A huge programmer base to draw from
>>
>Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
>everything that they could do before - every couple of years.
>>
>If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an
>average
>of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)
>>
>Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.
>>
>Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding
>more
>benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)
>>
>Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2
>years -
>pathetic.
>>
>Incredible support for any type of data
>>
>Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
>majority of applications.
>>
>Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the
>Tech
>Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group
>of
>technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development
>tools,
>Office, etc., what other company does this?)
>>
>You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB
>customers.
>>
>You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything
>for
>the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid
>is
>that.
>>
>The Grand Master

>>

>
>

shat.. is that really the past tense of shit?

hilarious

-Aaron

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

Grand Master; keep them rolling
>
>
this :
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
>
is a classic line
>
I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
word; brother.
>
I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.
>
MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
and gave them a gas shower
>
and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Get real you idiot......

Quote:

Supported by one of the largest companies in the world

Yes the largest, greediest and the worst

Quote:

A huge programmer base to draw from

Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.

Quote:

If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)

Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.

Quote:

Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)

Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.

Quote:

Incredible support for any type of data

Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.

Quote:

Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.

The Grand Master

Hi Aaron

I have moved on to educating these people now. I am teaching them the
*** Real *** meaning of different MS terminologies.....

http://groups.google.com.ph/group/mi...449a7171293cd4

Hopefully this will allow newcomers to the group to see the truth
instead of the propaganda that is dished out to them.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

shat.. is that really the past tense of shit?
>
hilarious
>
-Aaron
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

Grand Master; keep them rolling

this :

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

is a classic line

I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
word; brother.

I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.

MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
and gave them a gas shower

and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Get real you idiot......
>
Supported by one of the largest companies in the world
>
Yes the largest, greediest and the worst
>
A huge programmer base to draw from
>
Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.
>
If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)
>
Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.
>
Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)
>
Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.
>
Incredible support for any type of data
>
Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.
>
Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.
>
The Grand Master

The only place you have moved on to is further up your own arse.

Where is the hounding across usenet you promised me?

lol... Just another loser n00b troll.

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Hi Aaron
>
I have moved on to educating these people now. I am teaching them the
*** Real *** meaning of different MS terminologies.....
>
http://groups.google.com.ph/group/mi...449a7171293cd4
>
Hopefully this will allow newcomers to the group to see the truth
instead of the propaganda that is dished out to them.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

shat.. is that really the past tense of shit?

hilarious

-Aaron

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

Grand Master; keep them rolling
>
>
this :
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
>
is a classic line
>
I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
word; brother.
>
I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.
>
MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
and gave them a gas shower
>
and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Get real you idiot......

Supported by one of the largest companies in the world

Yes the largest, greediest and the worst

A huge programmer base to draw from

Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.

If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)

Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.

Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)

Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.

Incredible support for any type of data

Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.

Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.

The Grand Master

Blake

Sorry, I have been meaning to make life as unpleasant for you as
possible. I just havnt had the time, as I am flat out with the VB 6.0
work thats coming in and also the lessons I have been adding for new
users to the group.

The Grand Master

Blake wrote:

Quote:

The only place you have moved on to is further up your own arse.
>
Where is the hounding across usenet you promised me?
>
lol... Just another loser n00b troll.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Hi Aaron

I have moved on to educating these people now. I am teaching them the
*** Real *** meaning of different MS terminologies.....

http://groups.google.com.ph/group/mi...449a7171293cd4

Hopefully this will allow newcomers to the group to see the truth
instead of the propaganda that is dished out to them.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

shat.. is that really the past tense of shit?
>
hilarious
>
-Aaron
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
Grand Master; keep them rolling

this :

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

is a classic line

I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
word; brother.

I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.

MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
and gave them a gas shower

and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
Get real you idiot......
>
Supported by one of the largest companies in the world
>
Yes the largest, greediest and the worst
>
A huge programmer base to draw from
>
Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.
>
If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)
>
Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.
>
Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)
>
Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.
>
Incredible support for any type of data
>
Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.
>
Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.
>
The Grand Master

Excuses excuses. You are all talk.

I understand that it has taken you months to complete your first Hello
World vb6 app.

I won't distract you anymore, so that you can finish sometime this
year.

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Blake
>
Sorry, I have been meaning to make life as unpleasant for you as
possible. I just havnt had the time, as I am flat out with the VB 6.0
work thats coming in and also the lessons I have been adding for new
users to the group.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
Blake wrote:

Quote:

The only place you have moved on to is further up your own arse.

Where is the hounding across usenet you promised me?

lol... Just another loser n00b troll.

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Hi Aaron
>
I have moved on to educating these people now. I am teaching them the
*** Real *** meaning of different MS terminologies.....
>
http://groups.google.com.ph/group/mi...449a7171293cd4
>
Hopefully this will allow newcomers to the group to see the truth
instead of the propaganda that is dished out to them.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
shat.. is that really the past tense of shit?

hilarious

-Aaron

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
Grand Master; keep them rolling
>
>
this :
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
>
is a classic line
>
I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
word; brother.
>
I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.
>
MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
and gave them a gas shower
>
and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Get real you idiot......

Supported by one of the largest companies in the world

Yes the largest, greediest and the worst

A huge programmer base to draw from

Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.

If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)

Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.

Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)

Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.

Incredible support for any type of data

Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.

Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.

The Grand Master

Yeah, I have some seriously hard core work with this VB 6.0 project -
really deep stuff. Its to do with an Air-Traffic Control System,
VB.NET just wouldn't be capable of towing the line, the company that I
am doing some work for won't touch it.

The Gand Master

Blake wrote:

Quote:

Excuses excuses. You are all talk.
>
I understand that it has taken you months to complete your first Hello
World vb6 app.
>
I won't distract you anymore, so that you can finish sometime this
year.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Blake

Sorry, I have been meaning to make life as unpleasant for you as
possible. I just havnt had the time, as I am flat out with the VB 6.0
work thats coming in and also the lessons I have been adding for new
users to the group.

The Grand Master

Blake wrote:

Quote:

The only place you have moved on to is further up your own arse.
>
Where is the hounding across usenet you promised me?
>
lol... Just another loser n00b troll.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Hi Aaron

I have moved on to educating these people now. I am teaching them the
*** Real *** meaning of different MS terminologies.....

http://groups.google.com.ph/group/mi...449a7171293cd4

Hopefully this will allow newcomers to the group to see the truth
instead of the propaganda that is dished out to them.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
shat.. is that really the past tense of shit?
>
hilarious
>
-Aaron
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
Grand Master; keep them rolling

this :

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

is a classic line

I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
word; brother.

I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.

MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
and gave them a gas shower

and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
Get real you idiot......
>
Supported by one of the largest companies in the world
>
Yes the largest, greediest and the worst
>
A huge programmer base to draw from
>
Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.
>
If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)
>
Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.
>
Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)
>
Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.
>
Incredible support for any type of data
>
Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.
>
Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.
>
The Grand Master

Good for you.

And Kudos to this mythical company for being an equal opurtunity
employer.

It's nice to see retards get a break now and then.

:-)

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Yeah, I have some seriously hard core work with this VB 6.0 project -
really deep stuff. Its to do with an Air-Traffic Control System,
VB.NET just wouldn't be capable of towing the line, the company that I
am doing some work for won't touch it.
>
The Gand Master
>
>
Blake wrote:

Quote:

Excuses excuses. You are all talk.

I understand that it has taken you months to complete your first Hello
World vb6 app.

I won't distract you anymore, so that you can finish sometime this
year.

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Blake
>
Sorry, I have been meaning to make life as unpleasant for you as
possible. I just havnt had the time, as I am flat out with the VB 6.0
work thats coming in and also the lessons I have been adding for new
users to the group.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
Blake wrote:
The only place you have moved on to is further up your own arse.

Where is the hounding across usenet you promised me?

lol... Just another loser n00b troll.

Master Programmer wrote:
Hi Aaron
>
I have moved on to educating these people now. I am teaching them the
*** Real *** meaning of different MS terminologies.....
>
http://groups.google.com.ph/group/mi...449a7171293cd4
>
Hopefully this will allow newcomers to the group to see the truth
instead of the propaganda that is dished out to them.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
shat.. is that really the past tense of shit?

hilarious

-Aaron

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
Grand Master; keep them rolling
>
>
this :
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
>
is a classic line
>
I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
word; brother.
>
I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.
>
MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
and gave them a gas shower
>
and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Get real you idiot......

Supported by one of the largest companies in the world

Yes the largest, greediest and the worst

A huge programmer base to draw from

Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.

If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)

Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.

Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)

Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.

Incredible support for any type of data

Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.

Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.

The Grand Master

They are strongly opposed to the use of any OOP concepts, they want the
project to be completed within a reasonable time scale.

The Grand Master

Blake wrote:

Quote:

Good for you.
>
And Kudos to this mythical company for being an equal opurtunity
employer.
>
It's nice to see retards get a break now and then.
>
:-)
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Yeah, I have some seriously hard core work with this VB 6.0 project -
really deep stuff. Its to do with an Air-Traffic Control System,
VB.NET just wouldn't be capable of towing the line, the company that I
am doing some work for won't touch it.

The Gand Master

Blake wrote:

Quote:

Excuses excuses. You are all talk.
>
I understand that it has taken you months to complete your first Hello
World vb6 app.
>
I won't distract you anymore, so that you can finish sometime this
year.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Blake

Sorry, I have been meaning to make life as unpleasant for you as
possible. I just havnt had the time, as I am flat out with the VB 6.0
work thats coming in and also the lessons I have been adding for new
users to the group.

The Grand Master

Blake wrote:
The only place you have moved on to is further up your own arse.
>
Where is the hounding across usenet you promised me?
>
lol... Just another loser n00b troll.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Hi Aaron

I have moved on to educating these people now. I am teaching them the
*** Real *** meaning of different MS terminologies.....

http://groups.google.com.ph/group/mi...449a7171293cd4

Hopefully this will allow newcomers to the group to see the truth
instead of the propaganda that is dished out to them.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
shat.. is that really the past tense of shit?
>
hilarious
>
-Aaron
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
Grand Master; keep them rolling

this :

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.

is a classic line

I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the good
word; brother.

I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.

MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration camp
and gave them a gas shower

and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP 5

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:
Get real you idiot......
>
Supported by one of the largest companies in the world
>
Yes the largest, greediest and the worst
>
A huge programmer base to draw from
>
Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.
>
If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)
>
Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.
>
Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)
>
Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2 years -
pathetic.
>
Incredible support for any type of data
>
Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for the
majority of applications.
>
Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS, development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB customers.
>
You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking stupid is
that.
>
The Grand Master

Blake,

He taught ME really quick. Only took a couple of days to learn....

Message>>Block Sender.

My suggestion, should you choose to accept it, is that you do the same. :)
He's the worst kind of troll. A troll who doesn't know when he's beaten.LOL

"Blake" <blake.ackland@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1166416203.601216.288970@16g2000cwy.googlegro ups.com...

Quote:

Excuses excuses. You are all talk.
>
I understand that it has taken you months to complete your first Hello
World vb6 app.
>
I won't distract you anymore, so that you can finish sometime this
year.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

>Blake
>>
>Sorry, I have been meaning to make life as unpleasant for you as
>possible. I just havnt had the time, as I am flat out with the VB 6.0
>work thats coming in and also the lessons I have been adding for new
>users to the group.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>Blake wrote:

Quote:

The only place you have moved on to is further up your own arse.
>
Where is the hounding across usenet you promised me?
>
lol... Just another loser n00b troll.
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Hi Aaron
>
I have moved on to educating these people now. I am teaching them the
*** Real *** meaning of different MS terminologies.....
>
http://groups.google.com.ph/group/mi...449a7171293cd4
>
Hopefully this will allow newcomers to the group to see the truth
instead of the propaganda that is dished out to them.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
shat.. is that really the past tense of shit?

hilarious

-Aaron

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:
Grand Master; keep them rolling
>
>
this :
>
You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB
customers.
>
>
is a classic line
>
I want to write a book in your honor, make a shrine.. speak the
good
word; brother.
>
I'm going to ask all of my family on ideas on how to get MP to be
the
president of MS.
he's the only person OTHER THAN ME that speaks the truth.
>
MS took 3 million VB developers and stuck them in a concentration
camp
and gave them a gas shower
>
and you other dipshits are too stupid to notice.
VB went from the worlds most popular langauge-- to NOT IN THE TOP
5
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:
Get real you idiot......

Supported by one of the largest companies in the world

Yes the largest, greediest and the worst

A huge programmer base to draw from

Brainwashed fools like yourself that like to re-learn how to do
everything that they could do before - every couple of years.

If you want to freelance, you'll NEVER be out of work (I get
an average
of 8-10 calls/emails a week for .Net positions)

Wow, you must be very popular. I don't believe you actually.

Constant change for the better, the framework just keeps
adding more
benefit and 3.0 looks great to me (Work Flow, woohoo)

Constant change - different - not better. Different every 2
years -
pathetic.

Incredible support for any type of data

Turn everything into XML - even when its improper to do so for
the
majority of applications.

Fantastic support for customers (Me and 3 coworkers went to
the Tech
Center in Reston last Spring for 3 days and MS devoted a
group of
technical folks to outline future plans for OS, NOS,
development tools,
Office, etc., what other company does this?)

You must be in the minority. They just shat on 3 milion VB
customers.

You are one of these clowns that just likes to relearn
everything for
the sake of it -even if there is no benefit. How fucking
stupid is
that.

The Grand Master

>

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