Is VB.NET Stable??

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
Microsoft. Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
losing important stuff.

I don't work with crystal reports, but I have not experienced anything like
these. That's not to say that the IDE doesn't have some bugs, but they're
not things that really get in the way of getting things done for me. 99% of
the time everything is just fine.

"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
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Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.
>

VB.NET is VERY stable. Code I write with .NET if typically an order of
magnitude more stable than C++ but that is probably because I have less
opportunity to screw up with .NET. It's extremely helpful, especially the
IDE.

Now, I have had consistent crashes with the IDE and my main form, when
editing one of the menus. I managed to fix it by twiddling around with the
resource file for the form. Something got borked there at some point I
think.

With stability, there is the IDE, there is Crystal Reports and there is the
CLR. I vote the latter to be top quality, the former I'm still undecided
on.

"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
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Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.
>

VS 2005 is especially sluggish on large projects. There now much more going
on behind the scenes on every single code change you make. The SP should fix
it, but it's in beta right now, so you probably want to wait.
--
David Anton
www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com
Instant C#: VB to C# converter
Instant VB: C# to VB converter
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"Tony Van" wrote:

Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
Microsoft. Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
losing important stuff.
>
>
>

Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week to
recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured most
frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by the
form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The problem
above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
The configuration file XML format has changed between 2003 and 2005, which
is a pain, although I found that you can use the old appsettings - add key
tags in 2005 as it was in 2005. You can not save your application change
application scope settings, you can more easily change user scope settings.
They 'improved' the control over the application by being able to easily add
applicationsettings, but its difficut to debug the most important of all,
the unhandledexception event.
Nonetheless I use it for development because I don't want to be using a
product that is near the end of its support lifecycle, hoping that the
inevitable service packs will resolve the reliability problems.
What I do like is the easier deployment if you write everything in managed
code and getting away from dll hell.
Also, if you use third party components, make sure to test every single one
of them before you commit. I was using a third party telephony component
with Vs2005 VB.NET that I ad been using for years in VB6 and found that one
of the most important ones in VB net 2005 could not be added to a form and
that the next release is not yet scheduled. So I'm up the proverbial creek
without a paddle and learned not to assume that because the advertising said
it was compatible, it ain't necessarely so. Unfortunately its buyer beware!

Bob

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I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.
>

VS 2005 crashes for me three times a day lol

I fucking hate it

back in the day they used to build service packs; now they just dont
give a flying crap

move to PHP kids; VB.net is deadware

-Aaron

Marina Levit [MVP] wrote:

Quote:

I don't work with crystal reports, but I have not experienced anything like
these. That's not to say that the IDE doesn't have some bugs, but they're
not things that really get in the way of getting things done for me. 99% of
the time everything is just fine.
>
"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
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Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.

What about when you're *not* using Crystal Reports?
Does it work okay then? I'm not using CR, and haven't
had any problems with VisualStudio2005.

Robin S.
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Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.
>

Blah blah blah blah blah. It's like a broken record.

<aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote in message
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Quote:

VS 2005 crashes for me three times a day lol
>
I fucking hate it
>
back in the day they used to build service packs; now they just dont
give a flying crap
>
move to PHP kids; VB.net is deadware
>
-Aaron
>
>
>
Marina Levit [MVP] wrote:

Quote:

>I don't work with crystal reports, but I have not experienced anything
>like
>these. That's not to say that the IDE doesn't have some bugs, but
>they're
>not things that really get in the way of getting things done for me. 99%
>of
>the time everything is just fine.
>>
>"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
>news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com ...

Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
important
stuff.
>

>

So you get consistent crashes and you call it very stable? I'd hate to see
what you call unstable. The forms designer problems alone are enough to
doubt the stability of VS 2005.

I like the features of VS 2005, and hopefully Microsoft will fix the problem
of sometimes having to wait a minute or two when making a trivial code change
in a large project (I was on one that was 80,000 lines of code and it was
very frustrating). The performance on small projects is very acceptable
though, although the designer issues and random forms corruptions are
annoying.
--
David Anton
www.tangiblesoftwaresolutions.com
Instant C#: VB to C# converter
Instant VB: C# to VB converter
Instant C++: C#/VB to C++ converter
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"Robinson" wrote:

Quote:

VB.NET is VERY stable. Code I write with .NET if typically an order of
magnitude more stable than C++ but that is probably because I have less
opportunity to screw up with .NET. It's extremely helpful, especially the
IDE.
>
Now, I have had consistent crashes with the IDE and my main form, when
editing one of the menus. I managed to fix it by twiddling around with the
resource file for the form. Something got borked there at some point I
think.
>
With stability, there is the IDE, there is Crystal Reports and there is the
CLR. I vote the latter to be top quality, the former I'm still undecided
on.
>
>
"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..

Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.

>
>
>

Just as I finished this I opened a project, and just changed some settings
in the app.config file appsettings section. VS2005 stopped responding
immediately as I hit the save all button. I had o close the app with the
task manager. Then when I reopened it, it stopped responding as soon as it
loaded the app.config file and stayed stuck with Saving autorecovery
information in the status bar.
Yeah its reliable all right, reliably unreliable.

Bob

"Robert Dufour" <bdufour@sgiims.comwrote in message
news:uVrmGulDHHA.1196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

Quote:

Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week to
recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured most
frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by
the form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The
problem above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
The configuration file XML format has changed between 2003 and 2005, which
is a pain, although I found that you can use the old appsettings - add key
tags in 2005 as it was in 2005. You can not save your application change
application scope settings, you can more easily change user scope
settings.
They 'improved' the control over the application by being able to easily
add applicationsettings, but its difficut to debug the most important of
all, the unhandledexception event.
Nonetheless I use it for development because I don't want to be using a
product that is near the end of its support lifecycle, hoping that the
inevitable service packs will resolve the reliability problems.
What I do like is the easier deployment if you write everything in managed
code and getting away from dll hell.
Also, if you use third party components, make sure to test every single
one of them before you commit. I was using a third party telephony
component with Vs2005 VB.NET that I ad been using for years in VB6 and
found that one of the most important ones in VB net 2005 could not be
added to a form and that the next release is not yet scheduled. So I'm up
the proverbial creek without a paddle and learned not to assume that
because the advertising said it was compatible, it ain't necessarely so.
Unfortunately its buyer beware!
>
Bob
>
>
"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
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Quote:

>I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>>
>It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
>program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
>lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
>finishes. Very time consuming and unproductive.
>>
>I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
>stuff.
>>

>
>

Robin;

I dont use Crystal Reports.

and Visual Studio 2005 is buggy as hell; it crashes 3 times a day for
me.

Of course; I'm not your average bear lol

-Aaron

RobinS wrote:

Quote:

What about when you're *not* using Crystal Reports?
Does it work okay then? I'm not using CR, and haven't
had any problems with VisualStudio2005.
>
Robin S.
----------------
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Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.

Hi,

Yes the VB 2005 compilier has some issues. Service pack 1 for vb
should be out by the first of the year. You can download the hotfix for the
vb compilier here if you need it.

https://connect.microsoft.com/downlo...1.0&siteid=210

Ken
----------------------------------

"Tony Van" wrote:

Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
Microsoft. Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
losing important stuff.
>
>
>

After sending off the next crash report, follow the link you get. I suspect
you'll end up at a TechNet article describing the crash. This article will
probably say there is a Hotfix available. Call PSS for Visual Studio and
give them the TechNet article id. I had a similar problem with VB 2005 and
had the hotfix (actually 2 of them) in under 30 minutes.

Mike Ober.

"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
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Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.
>

Ken, I get a "Page not found" when following the link you provided
(after signing-in of course)

Thanks,

Seth Rowe

Ken Tucker [ MVP ] wrote:

Quote:

Hi,
>
Yes the VB 2005 compilier has some issues. Service pack 1 for vb
should be out by the first of the year. You can download the hotfix for the
vb compilier here if you need it.
>
https://connect.microsoft.com/downlo...1.0&siteid=210
>
Ken
----------------------------------
>
"Tony Van" wrote:
>

Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
Microsoft. Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
losing important stuff.

Visual Basic 2005 itself is quite stable. It's just a compiler, after all,
and compiler theory has been pretty stable for decades. And since compilers
don't directly interact with the human element, writing them is a little
easier than writing other programs.

Visual Studio, on the other hand, does have some issues, as other posters
have alluded to. I have had repeated problems with graphic resources that
seemed to have no solution other than deleting and re-adding. Lock-ups do
occur sometimes. But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively complex
application. I wish the service packs would come out on a more regular basis,
but even without them, there are workarounds for most of the issues that
come up. If you want to keep up on the latest bugs, issues, and fixes, try
this web site.

http://connect.microsoft.com/feedbac...spx?SiteID=210

-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005

Quote:

Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week to
recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured most
frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by

the

Quote:

form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The problem
above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.

Quote:

Bob
>
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>

Quote:

>I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>>
>It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
>the program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes
>I've lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
>finishes. Very time consuming and unproductive.
>>
>I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
>important stuff.
>>

Hi,

Sorry about that. Try going to the DevDiv Hotfix Public
Availability Pilot Program page and download the fix for KB920805

http://connect.microsoft.com/VisualS...ContentID=3705

Ken
----------------------------------

"rowe_newsgroups" wrote:

Quote:

Ken, I get a "Page not found" when following the link you provided
(after signing-in of course)
>
Thanks,
>
Seth Rowe
>
>
Ken Tucker [ MVP ] wrote:

Quote:

Hi,

Yes the VB 2005 compilier has some issues. Service pack 1 for vb
should be out by the first of the year. You can download the hotfix for the
vb compilier here if you need it.

https://connect.microsoft.com/downlo...1.0&siteid=210

Ken
----------------------------------

"Tony Van" wrote:

Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some
code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
Reports, the program stutters and sends a message off to
Microsoft. Sometimes I've lost code, other times the system
sets off on a build that never finishes. Very time consuming
and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about
losing important stuff.
>
>
>

>
>

what ever dude

as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH

they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software

Michael D. Ober wrote:

Quote:

After sending off the next crash report, follow the link you get. I suspect
you'll end up at a TechNet article describing the crash. This article will
probably say there is a Hotfix available. Call PSS for Visual Studio and
give them the TechNet article id. I had a similar problem with VB 2005 and
had the hotfix (actually 2 of them) in under 30 minutes.
>
Mike Ober.
>
"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
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Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.

Dear Mr. Kempf,

Quote:

as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH

If there's no bug report, it will take much longer (or make it even
impossible) to find out where the bug is. It's in your own interest to
report. Without bugfix, the crash might happen again and again and
again. Is that really what you want? Besides, if you think that other
companies produce bug free software, why don't you just use that
software, then?

Quote:

they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software

If you always use words like fuck, ass etc. how do you think that people
might rate your posting?

Best Regards,

HKSHK

buddy.. where do you come up with this crap anyways?

I dont need to submit my errors to microsoft in order to find a
resolution
microsoft needs to start TESTING THEIR OWN SOFTWARE _BEFORE_RELEASE_
instead of spending all of their energies on XBox 360

-Larry

HKSHK wrote:

Quote:

Dear Mr. Kempf,
>

Quote:

as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH

>
If there's no bug report, it will take much longer (or make it even
impossible) to find out where the bug is. It's in your own interest to
report. Without bugfix, the crash might happen again and again and
again. Is that really what you want? Besides, if you think that other
companies produce bug free software, why don't you just use that
software, then?
>

Quote:

they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software

>
If you always use words like fuck, ass etc. how do you think that people
might rate your posting?
>
Best Regards,
>
HKSHK

"David Anton" <DavidAnton@discussions.microsoft.comwrote in message
news:07147A5E-DF26-4FD3-892B-3BC3195F238D@microsoft.com...

Quote:

So you get consistent crashes and you call it very stable? I'd hate to
see
what you call unstable. The forms designer problems alone are enough to
doubt the stability of VS 2005.

If you re-read my post (it was written in English), I said the projects I
work on that run under the CLR are very stable but that I have had problems
with the IDE.

yeah microsoft screwed all of us VB developers.. they just don't take
it seriously.. just so that they could attract some java developers
with the whole gosling move

-Larry

Robert Dufour wrote:

Quote:

Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week to
recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured most
frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by the
form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The problem
above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
The configuration file XML format has changed between 2003 and 2005, which
is a pain, although I found that you can use the old appsettings - add key
tags in 2005 as it was in 2005. You can not save your application change
application scope settings, you can more easily change user scope settings.
They 'improved' the control over the application by being able to easily add
applicationsettings, but its difficut to debug the most important of all,
the unhandledexception event.
Nonetheless I use it for development because I don't want to be using a
product that is near the end of its support lifecycle, hoping that the
inevitable service packs will resolve the reliability problems.
What I do like is the easier deployment if you write everything in managed
code and getting away from dll hell.
Also, if you use third party components, make sure to test every single one
of them before you commit. I was using a third party telephony component
with Vs2005 VB.NET that I ad been using for years in VB6 and found that one
of the most important ones in VB net 2005 could not be added to a form and
that the next release is not yet scheduled. So I'm up the proverbial creek
without a paddle and learned not to assume that because the advertising said
it was compatible, it ain't necessarely so. Unfortunately its buyer beware!
>
Bob
>
>
"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..

Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.

>>But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively complex
application.

Passenger jets are massively complex. How would you feel if their
reliability had only 1% of Visual Studio's problems, and had to wait years
for patches?

Bob Lehmann

"Tim Patrick" <invalid@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3b4697623d58c8dc35f4b860fa@newsgroups.comcas t.net...

Quote:

Visual Basic 2005 itself is quite stable. It's just a compiler, after all,
and compiler theory has been pretty stable for decades. And since

compilers

Quote:

don't directly interact with the human element, writing them is a little
easier than writing other programs.
>
Visual Studio, on the other hand, does have some issues, as other posters
have alluded to. I have had repeated problems with graphic resources that
seemed to have no solution other than deleting and re-adding. Lock-ups do
occur sometimes. But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively

complex

Quote:

application. I wish the service packs would come out on a more regular

basis,

Quote:

but even without them, there are workarounds for most of the issues that
come up. If you want to keep up on the latest bugs, issues, and fixes, try
this web site.
>
http://connect.microsoft.com/feedbac...spx?SiteID=210
>
-----
Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>

Quote:

Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week

to

Quote:

recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured

most

Quote:

frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by

the

Quote:

form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The

problem

Quote:

above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.

>

Quote:

Bob

"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..

Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
the program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes
I've lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
finishes. Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
important stuff.
>

>
>

Lets summarise children.......

VISUAL STUDIO (all versions) is fucking GARBAGE.

Here are 10 reasons not to waste your time with the shit-ware.

1) unnessesarily over complex

2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.

3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)

4) It is slow to compile

5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.

6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
each few month)

7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
world

8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)

9) Most of it isnt documented properly

10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

what ever dude
>
as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH
>
they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software
>
>
>
>
Michael D. Ober wrote:

Quote:

After sending off the next crash report, follow the link you get. I suspect
you'll end up at a TechNet article describing the crash. This article will
probably say there is a Hotfix available. Call PSS for Visual Studio and
give them the TechNet article id. I had a similar problem with VB 2005 and
had the hotfix (actually 2 of them) in under 30 minutes.

Mike Ober.

"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..

Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.
>

Yeah, I agree Larry, its time these fuckers made some stable software
or close shop. In reality they should dump shit products like
anything.net and focus on resurrecting Visual basic 6.0.

The Grand Master
Knowledge is Everything

Larry Linson wrote:

Quote:

buddy.. where do you come up with this crap anyways?
>
I dont need to submit my errors to microsoft in order to find a
resolution
microsoft needs to start TESTING THEIR OWN SOFTWARE _BEFORE_RELEASE_
instead of spending all of their energies on XBox 360
>
-Larry
>
>
HKSHK wrote:

Quote:

Dear Mr. Kempf,

Quote:

as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH

If there's no bug report, it will take much longer (or make it even
impossible) to find out where the bug is. It's in your own interest to
report. Without bugfix, the crash might happen again and again and
again. Is that really what you want? Besides, if you think that other
companies produce bug free software, why don't you just use that
software, then?

Quote:

they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software

If you always use words like fuck, ass etc. how do you think that people
might rate your posting?

Best Regards,

HKSHK

Bob,

Depends, if that trouble is in the bomber area I would not have any problem.

In my idea is nobody writting what part of Visual Studio is used, while it
is in fact a toolbox with a lot of tools already in it.

There is done if all tools have troubles.

Just my thought reading this thread

Cor

"Bob Lehmann" <nospam@dontbotherme.zzzschreef in bericht
news:%23iRcQMpDHHA.572@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

Quote:

>>>But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively complex

application.
>
Passenger jets are massively complex. How would you feel if their
reliability had only 1% of Visual Studio's problems, and had to wait years
for patches?
>
Bob Lehmann
>
"Tim Patrick" <invalid@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
news:e3b4697623d58c8dc35f4b860fa@newsgroups.comcas t.net...

Quote:

>Visual Basic 2005 itself is quite stable. It's just a compiler, after
>all,
>and compiler theory has been pretty stable for decades. And since

compilers

Quote:

>don't directly interact with the human element, writing them is a little
>easier than writing other programs.
>>
>Visual Studio, on the other hand, does have some issues, as other posters
>have alluded to. I have had repeated problems with graphic resources that
>seemed to have no solution other than deleting and re-adding. Lock-ups do
>occur sometimes. But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively

complex

Quote:

>application. I wish the service packs would come out on a more regular

basis,

Quote:

>but even without them, there are workarounds for most of the issues that
>come up. If you want to keep up on the latest bugs, issues, and fixes,
>try
>this web site.
>>
>http://connect.microsoft.com/feedbac...spx?SiteID=210
>>
>-----
>Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
>Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>>

Quote:

Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and
thereafter
found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access
the
code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week

to

Quote:

recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured

most

Quote:

frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used
by

>the

Quote:

form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The

problem

Quote:

above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.

>>

Quote:

Bob
>
"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
>I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>>
>It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
>the program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes
>I've lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
>finishes. Very time consuming and unproductive.
>>
>I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
>important stuff.
>>

>>
>>

>
>

Text change

Quote:

>There is done if all tools have troubles.

In my idea most persons are writting if all parts of Visual Studio have
troubles

Cor

"Cor Ligthert [MVP]" <notmyfirstname@planet.nlschreef in bericht
news:eh4WcVsDHHA.3228@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

Quote:

Bob,
>
Depends, if that trouble is in the bomber area I would not have any
problem.
>
In my idea is nobody writting what part of Visual Studio is used, while it
is in fact a toolbox with a lot of tools already in it.
>
There is done if all tools have troubles.
>
Just my thought reading this thread
>
Cor
>
"Bob Lehmann" <nospam@dontbotherme.zzzschreef in bericht
news:%23iRcQMpDHHA.572@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

Quote:

>>>>But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively complex

>application.
>>
>Passenger jets are massively complex. How would you feel if their
>reliability had only 1% of Visual Studio's problems, and had to wait
>years
>for patches?
>>
>Bob Lehmann
>>
>"Tim Patrick" <invalid@invalid.com.invalidwrote in message
>news:e3b4697623d58c8dc35f4b860fa@newsgroups.comca st.net...

Quote:

>>Visual Basic 2005 itself is quite stable. It's just a compiler, after
>>all,
>>and compiler theory has been pretty stable for decades. And since

>compilers

Quote:

>>don't directly interact with the human element, writing them is a little
>>easier than writing other programs.
>>>
>>Visual Studio, on the other hand, does have some issues, as other
>>posters
>>have alluded to. I have had repeated problems with graphic resources
>>that
>>seemed to have no solution other than deleting and re-adding. Lock-ups
>>do
>>occur sometimes. But it's understandable. Visual Studio is a massively

>complex

Quote:

>>application. I wish the service packs would come out on a more regular

>basis,

Quote:

>>but even without them, there are workarounds for most of the issues that
>>come up. If you want to keep up on the latest bugs, issues, and fixes,
>>try
>>this web site.
>>>
>>http://connect.microsoft.com/feedbac...spx?SiteID=210
>>>
>>-----
>>Tim Patrick - www.timaki.com
>>Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005
>>>
>Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I
>was
>doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and
>thereafter
>found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access
>the
>code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week

>to

Quote:

>recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured

>most

Quote:

>frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used
>by
>>the
>form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
>I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
>In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The

>problem

Quote:

>above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
>>>
>Bob
>>
>"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
>news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com ...
>>
>>I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>>>
>>It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
>>the program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes
>>I've lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
>>finishes. Very time consuming and unproductive.
>>>
>>I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
>>important stuff.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>

VB 6.0 is the undisputed GOD of programming software. Do your self a
favour and give anything that ends in ".NET" a wide berth, every
version of this garbage continues to get worse.

If you feel you need to move away from VB 6.0 (not a nice thought I
know), then you could consider Delphi - a more stable product than any
MS offerings.

Hope this helps
The Grand Master

Robert Dufour wrote:

Quote:

Im my opinion, VB.Net 2005, no. I've had several situations where I was
doing forms development, made a simple change to the form and thereafter
found I could no longer open the form in design view. I could access the
code, but not the form layout. In one case it took me well over a week to
recreate the form. Needless to say I was some p... off. This occured most
frequently, I thought, when I made changes to the datasets being used by the
form without removing the controls bound to the old data first.
I consider Vs2005 to be no better than a beta product.
In theory the features are fine. In practice its another story. The problem
above has not happened lately and I keep my fingers crossed.
The configuration file XML format has changed between 2003 and 2005, which
is a pain, although I found that you can use the old appsettings - add key
tags in 2005 as it was in 2005. You can not save your application change
application scope settings, you can more easily change user scope settings.
They 'improved' the control over the application by being able to easily add
applicationsettings, but its difficut to debug the most important of all,
the unhandledexception event.
Nonetheless I use it for development because I don't want to be using a
product that is near the end of its support lifecycle, hoping that the
inevitable service packs will resolve the reliability problems.
What I do like is the easier deployment if you write everything in managed
code and getting away from dll hell.
Also, if you use third party components, make sure to test every single one
of them before you commit. I was using a third party telephony component
with Vs2005 VB.NET that I ad been using for years in VB6 and found that one
of the most important ones in VB net 2005 could not be added to a form and
that the next release is not yet scheduled. So I'm up the proverbial creek
without a paddle and learned not to assume that because the advertising said
it was compatible, it ain't necessarely so. Unfortunately its buyer beware!
>
Bob
>
>
"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..

Quote:

I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Lets summarise children.......

Translation in brackets[]

Quote:

VISUAL STUDIO (all versions) is fucking GARBAGE.

[Why I talk down a language I can't program with]

Quote:

Here are 10 reasons not to waste your time with the shit-ware.

Quote:

1) unnessesarily over complex

[Too many features for me to grasp as I am too stupid/lazy to learn]

Quote:

2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.

[I can't figure out how to use most of it]

Quote:

3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)

[Anybody who has ever had to deal with real world applications gets it]

Quote:

4) It is slow to compile

[I wish I could become a better programmer, make more money and buy a
faster PC]

Quote:

5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.

[See answer #1. Lol, too much security! Like saying I make too much
money, lol!]

Quote:

6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
each few month)

[Whoo, 3 versions in what, 5 years? See answer #1]

Quote:

7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
world

[See answer #1 for why I can't get a job]

Quote:

8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)

[I don't get, but I am running out of ideas for points to make]

Quote:

9) Most of it isnt documented properly

[Yep, now I have run out of ideas, so let's focus on the Gigabytes
worth of documentation, not to mention the hundreds of websites and
newsgroups full of peer and MVP help]

Quote:

10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.

[I just wanted make sure you had no doubts I am lazy flame-baiting
retard, who likes to program in Delphi. Who owns Delphi these days?
It's hard to keep up as it gets being passed around like a cheap whore.
From what I hear, they are making the new version .Net. lol!]

Quote:

The Grand Master

[of Delphi]

Thanks for this. It's going to send me off to work with a smile on my face
:))))).

>

Quote:

1) unnessesarily over complex

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

4) It is slow to compile

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
each few month)

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
world

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)
<-- ONE OF THE BEST FEATURES OF DREAMWEAVER..they just have the wrong
selection of languages; it should be PHP and 4 different flavors of VB

9) Most of it isnt documented properly
<-- IVE GOT HUNDREDS OF BOOKS, I DISAGREE. It is documented properly
its' just AWFUL ARCHITECTURE. I shoudn't have to touch XML if i dont
want to. I use databases; and I have for 10 years. I shouldn't be
subjected to this crappy slow interface

10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.
<-- SORRY DOG IT ISNT CALLED .NET ANYMORE.. WE _WON_ THAT ARGUMENT
ALREADY

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Lets summarise children.......
>
VISUAL STUDIO (all versions) is fucking GARBAGE.
>
Here are 10 reasons not to waste your time with the shit-ware.
>
1) unnessesarily over complex
>
2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.
>
3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)
>
4) It is slow to compile
>
5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.
>
6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
each few month)
>
7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
world
>
8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)
>
9) Most of it isnt documented properly
>
10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

what ever dude

as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH

they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software

Michael D. Ober wrote:

Quote:

After sending off the next crash report, follow the link you get. I suspect
you'll end up at a TechNet article describing the crash. This article will
probably say there is a Hotfix available. Call PSS for Visual Studio and
give them the TechNet article id. I had a similar problem with VB 2005 and
had the hotfix (actually 2 of them) in under 30 minutes.
>
Mike Ober.
>
"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports, the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing important
stuff.

I second that move brother.. TOTALLY AGREE

Shit brotha; my name is Aaron
and SusieDba
and Punjab_tom
and DbaHooker
and LarryLinsonJr

I say that we work on a website together I think that we agree on the
major concepts

BRING BACK VB6 OR EAT DICK, MICROSOFT

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Yeah, I agree Larry, its time these fuckers made some stable software
or close shop. In reality they should dump shit products like
anything.net and focus on resurrecting Visual basic 6.0.
>
The Grand Master
Knowledge is Everything
>
>
Larry Linson wrote:

Quote:

buddy.. where do you come up with this crap anyways?

I dont need to submit my errors to microsoft in order to find a
resolution
microsoft needs to start TESTING THEIR OWN SOFTWARE _BEFORE_RELEASE_
instead of spending all of their energies on XBox 360

-Larry

HKSHK wrote:

Quote:

Dear Mr. Kempf,
>
as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH
>
If there's no bug report, it will take much longer (or make it even
impossible) to find out where the bug is. It's in your own interest to
report. Without bugfix, the crash might happen again and again and
again. Is that really what you want? Besides, if you think that other
companies produce bug free software, why don't you just use that
software, then?
>
they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software
>
If you always use words like fuck, ass etc. how do you think that people
might rate your posting?
>
Best Regards,
>
HKSHK

Okay, that really cracked me up. Thanks for posting it.

Robin S.
-----------------------------------
"mg" <bitspam@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1164271169.981960.15610@h54g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...

Quote:

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

>Lets summarise children.......

>
Translation in brackets[]
>

Quote:

>VISUAL STUDIO (all versions) is fucking GARBAGE.

>
[Why I talk down a language I can't program with]
>

Quote:

>Here are 10 reasons not to waste your time with the shit-ware.

>

Quote:

>1) unnessesarily over complex

>
[Too many features for me to grasp as I am too stupid/lazy to learn]
>

Quote:

>2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.

>
[I can't figure out how to use most of it]
>

Quote:

>3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)

>
[Anybody who has ever had to deal with real world applications gets it]
>

Quote:

>4) It is slow to compile

>
[I wish I could become a better programmer, make more money and buy a
faster PC]
>

Quote:

>5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.

>
[See answer #1. Lol, too much security! Like saying I make too much
money, lol!]
>

Quote:

>6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
>each few month)

>
[Whoo, 3 versions in what, 5 years? See answer #1]
>

Quote:

>7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
>world

>
[See answer #1 for why I can't get a job]
>

Quote:

>8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
>too?)

>
[I don't get, but I am running out of ideas for points to make]
>

Quote:

>9) Most of it isnt documented properly

>
[Yep, now I have run out of ideas, so let's focus on the Gigabytes
worth of documentation, not to mention the hundreds of websites and
newsgroups full of peer and MVP help]
>

Quote:

>10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
>spouting the word .NET all of the time.

>
[I just wanted make sure you had no doubts I am lazy flame-baiting
retard, who likes to program in Delphi. Who owns Delphi these days?
It's hard to keep up as it gets being passed around like a cheap whore.
From what I hear, they are making the new version .Net. lol!]
>

Quote:

>The Grand Master

>
[of Delphi]
>

You must be a junior high student. They're the only ones with this limited
a vocabulary.

Mike Ober.

<aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1164301035.591171.168250@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Quote:

1) unnessesarily over complex

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

4) It is slow to compile

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
each few month)

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
world

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE
>
8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)
<-- ONE OF THE BEST FEATURES OF DREAMWEAVER..they just have the wrong
selection of languages; it should be PHP and 4 different flavors of VB
>
9) Most of it isnt documented properly
<-- IVE GOT HUNDREDS OF BOOKS, I DISAGREE. It is documented properly
its' just AWFUL ARCHITECTURE. I shoudn't have to touch XML if i dont
want to. I use databases; and I have for 10 years. I shouldn't be
subjected to this crappy slow interface
>
10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.
<-- SORRY DOG IT ISNT CALLED .NET ANYMORE.. WE _WON_ THAT ARGUMENT
ALREADY
>
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Lets summarise children.......

VISUAL STUDIO (all versions) is fucking GARBAGE.

Here are 10 reasons not to waste your time with the shit-ware.

1) unnessesarily over complex

2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.

3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)

4) It is slow to compile

5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.

6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
each few month)

7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
world

8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)

9) Most of it isnt documented properly

10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

what ever dude
>
as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH
>
they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree

software

Quote:

>
>
>
>
Michael D. Ober wrote:
After sending off the next crash report, follow the link you get. I

suspect

Quote:

you'll end up at a TechNet article describing the crash. This

article will

Quote:

probably say there is a Hotfix available. Call PSS for Visual

Studio and

Quote:

give them the TechNet article id. I had a similar problem with VB

2005 and

Quote:

had the hotfix (actually 2 of them) in under 30 minutes.

Mike Ober.

"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal

Reports, the

Quote:

program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes

I've

Quote:

lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never

finishes.

Quote:

Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing

important

Quote:

stuff.
>

>

Hi Aaron

I dont know about a web site. I think I would prefer to focus my
efforts on the newsgroups. If I can help to get our message broadcasted
enough, then the result could be three fold.....

1) We can help to warn new programmers and prevent them from falling
into the same trap.

2) We can help to reduce and success that the .NET family of products
have and hurt MS in some way - as an act of revenge.

3) We can damage the usefulness of the groups, so that people find it
hard to get help - and then move away to different products.

Are you with me on this one? I think that if we work together we can
really make a difference.

PS:
I have been thinking of getting some alias's as well, good idea ! I
may get a couple of them and go for the "good guy - bad guy" routine,
to draw people in.

The Grand Master
Knowledge is Everything

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

I second that move brother.. TOTALLY AGREE
>
Shit brotha; my name is Aaron
and SusieDba
and Punjab_tom
and DbaHooker
and LarryLinsonJr
>
I say that we work on a website together I think that we agree on the
major concepts
>
BRING BACK VB6 OR EAT DICK, MICROSOFT
>
-Aaron
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Yeah, I agree Larry, its time these fuckers made some stable software
or close shop. In reality they should dump shit products like
anything.net and focus on resurrecting Visual basic 6.0.

The Grand Master
Knowledge is Everything

Larry Linson wrote:

Quote:

buddy.. where do you come up with this crap anyways?
>
I dont need to submit my errors to microsoft in order to find a
resolution
microsoft needs to start TESTING THEIR OWN SOFTWARE _BEFORE_RELEASE_
instead of spending all of their energies on XBox 360
>
-Larry
>
>
HKSHK wrote:
Dear Mr. Kempf,

as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH

If there's no bug report, it will take much longer (or make it even
impossible) to find out where the bug is. It's in your own interest to
report. Without bugfix, the crash might happen again and again and
again. Is that really what you want? Besides, if you think that other
companies produce bug free software, why don't you just use that
software, then?

they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software

If you always use words like fuck, ass etc. how do you think that people
might rate your posting?

Best Regards,

HKSHK

Well Aaron (and your crowd of one), if you need/want VB6, keep using
it. You could make the same statement about Windows 98.

If you want/need a VB6-like language being actively developed, move to
REALBasic (http://www.realbasic.com/)

It's cross platform and very VB6 like. If you can't stand the thought
of Microsoft ruining your life and very existence, cut the strings to
Redmond. It would save you the trouble of trying to build a website
complaining about VB6, and then bitching about how you can't code in
HTML because Microsoft has dropped support for FrontPage.

You are proof that the biggest mistake Microsoft ever made was dropping
Microsoft Bob.

-lol!

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

I second that move brother.. TOTALLY AGREE
>
Shit brotha; my name is Aaron
and SusieDba
and Punjab_tom
and DbaHooker
and LarryLinsonJr
>
I say that we work on a website together I think that we agree on the
major concepts
>
BRING BACK VB6 OR EAT DICK, MICROSOFT
>
-Aaron

Listen butt fuck, if I wanted RealBasic I would already have it. You
may like that steaming pile of dogshit called VS 2005 - I dont. We want
Real Visual Basic.

FP is actually one of the very few products MS got right. The other one
was VB 6.0 ! Why do you think that there were over 3 milion users -
Because it is the GOD of all computer languages.

The Grand Master

mg wrote:

Quote:

Well Aaron (and your crowd of one), if you need/want VB6, keep using
it. You could make the same statement about Windows 98.
>
If you want/need a VB6-like language being actively developed, move to
REALBasic (http://www.realbasic.com/)
>
It's cross platform and very VB6 like. If you can't stand the thought
of Microsoft ruining your life and very existence, cut the strings to
Redmond. It would save you the trouble of trying to build a website
complaining about VB6, and then bitching about how you can't code in
HTML because Microsoft has dropped support for FrontPage.
>
You are proof that the biggest mistake Microsoft ever made was dropping
Microsoft Bob.
>
-lol!
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

I second that move brother.. TOTALLY AGREE

Shit brotha; my name is Aaron
and SusieDba
and Punjab_tom
and DbaHooker
and LarryLinsonJr

I say that we work on a website together I think that we agree on the
major concepts

BRING BACK VB6 OR EAT DICK, MICROSOFT

-Aaron

sounds great

you like all my alias though?
it's because this pesky google usenet interface gives me 'you shouldn't
bitch so much' messages

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Hi Aaron
>
I dont know about a web site. I think I would prefer to focus my
efforts on the newsgroups. If I can help to get our message broadcasted
enough, then the result could be three fold.....
>
1) We can help to warn new programmers and prevent them from falling
into the same trap.
>
2) We can help to reduce and success that the .NET family of products
have and hurt MS in some way - as an act of revenge.
>
3) We can damage the usefulness of the groups, so that people find it
hard to get help - and then move away to different products.
>
Are you with me on this one? I think that if we work together we can
really make a difference.
>
PS:
I have been thinking of getting some alias's as well, good idea ! I
may get a couple of them and go for the "good guy - bad guy" routine,
to draw people in.
>
The Grand Master
Knowledge is Everything
>
>
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

I second that move brother.. TOTALLY AGREE

Shit brotha; my name is Aaron
and SusieDba
and Punjab_tom
and DbaHooker
and LarryLinsonJr

I say that we work on a website together I think that we agree on the
major concepts

BRING BACK VB6 OR EAT DICK, MICROSOFT

-Aaron

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Yeah, I agree Larry, its time these fuckers made some stable software
or close shop. In reality they should dump shit products like
anything.net and focus on resurrecting Visual basic 6.0.
>
The Grand Master
Knowledge is Everything
>
>
Larry Linson wrote:
buddy.. where do you come up with this crap anyways?

I dont need to submit my errors to microsoft in order to find a
resolution
microsoft needs to start TESTING THEIR OWN SOFTWARE _BEFORE_RELEASE_
instead of spending all of their energies on XBox 360

-Larry

HKSHK wrote:
Dear Mr. Kempf,
>
as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH
>
If there's no bug report, it will take much longer (or make it even
impossible) to find out where the bug is. It's in your own interest to
report. Without bugfix, the crash might happen again and again and
again. Is that really what you want? Besides, if you think that other
companies produce bug free software, why don't you just use that
software, then?
>
they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software
>
If you always use words like fuck, ass etc. how do you think that people
might rate your posting?
>
Best Regards,
>
HKSHK

good guy bad guy thing.. I _LOVE_ it.

the people that would be discrediting us-- the truthspeakers-- would
gain a lot of credibility.. that we could then use.. to flame the crap
out of people even more lol

(I just wish that there were points that we could buy or earn or
something.. like Experts Exchange used to be before it became a
..SELLOUT)

-Aaron

Master Baiter wrote:

Quote:

Listen butt fuck, if I wanted RealBasic I would already have it. You
may like that steaming pile of dogshit called VS 2005 - I dont. We want
Real Visual Basic.
>
FP is actually one of the very few products MS got right. The other one
was VB 6.0 ! Why do you think that there were over 3 milion users -
Because it is the GOD of all computer languages.

Sorry, I didn't realize what a looser you really are. It must suck to
be you.

So what is stopping you from continuing your exciting career as a VB6
programmer? You have already pronounced VB6 to be the pinnacle of
development technology. You should not want or need any changes ever
again. Get on with it and stop bitching.

he he he, you FrontPage bot wrangler, you.

I only use Frontpage for one thing; the 'development-view 'hooks' for
the office web components'

i get better property pages in FP then I do in Dreamweaver... just
because Microsoft is all secret squirrel and they can't disclose this
info to other companies.

I don't want some newbie 3rd party version of Visual Basic you fucking
retards.

But I sure as hell don't want a programming environment THAT CRASHES
TWICE A DAY and I don't want to make each of my end users download..
what.. 200mb of .NET framework _CRAP_?

for starters, there isn't a simple, standard way for me to even
determine which version of the framework is on machine 1, machine 2 and
machine 3.. (no those aren't computer names lol)

so from my perspective--

a) having obnoxious client requirements-- it would work great if MS
could just CON EVERYONE INTO HAVING THE FRAMEWORK-- it's like they're
missing one MAJOR piece of this puzzle..

b) I don't want to deal with installing something when I can't tell
what version is already installed. Do I need to install 1.1.1045? what
if I already have 1.1.1.1503-- then it makes no sense to install
1.1.1045.. the punchline of course is that those cocksucking BITCHES
can't bother to tell me which version of the framework i've got.. I
mean seriously.. let's role play-- how do you know which version of the
framework is on
1) your desktop
2) your new server
3) your old server
4) your grandmas new laptop

some of you might realize that 'xp comes with 1.0' and 'server 2003
comes with 1.1' but it's ridiculous to have to remember that. Does
Server R2 come with 2.0? How about this Windows 2000 Server I've got?
How about this WIndows NT Server I've got? How can I tell what version
of the framework is on those?

c) make Visual Studio _STABLE_ it crashes 2-3 times a day eat a dick
sandwich Microsoft

d) drop the whole 'SSRS inside of Visual Studio' paradigm. It's too
complex for almost every junior developer in the world. It's too SLOW;
it doesn't have short cut keys. We don't want a stripped down 'report
builder' interface. SSRS development inside of Visual Studio
_JUST_DOESNT_FIT_. Put it inside of Microsoft Access. I mean; what
you're doing is like Crystal Reports coming out with a new version of
Crystal; but refusing to put it in Crystal Reports; oh 'let us call
this one Crystal Super Deluxe Reports and mandate that you use a
MacIntosh to build these reports' -- that is how ridiculous it is that
I've got to use VS to write SSRS reports; it's too complex; it doesn't
have shortcut keys; it doesn't have a ZOOM BUTTON for DESIGN TIME--
LIKE CRYSTAL HAS GIVEN TO US FOR THE PAST DECADE. WAKE UP MICROSOFT.

e) fix the performance problems with RUNNING visual studio-- it
shouldn't make me a quad core 9ghz machine with 12gb of ram just to
open the fucking piece of shit application up. your typical dev target
machine shouldn't be a dualie 3.0 ghz UNLESS YOU PUT THAT IN THE
RECCOMENDATIONS / REQUIREMENTS.. you know.. we actually have to use
these products in the real world, you know Microsoft?

f) shove this whole XML _MOTHERFUCKING_CRAP_ up your ass your stupid
fucking company. I don't want to build datasets off of XML; I don't
want to persist datasets to XML. XML is slow as fuck and you should
lick my fucking nuts you backwards ass company.

g) shove this whole DATASET _MOTHERFUCKING_CRAP_ up your ass your
stupid fucking company. they are over kill; I dont want to loop through
records and then sync the changes back to my database. I mean; that's
the most ridiculous architecture I've ever heard of.

h) shove this whole DATAREADER _MOTHERFUCKING_CRAP_ up your ass your
stupid fucking company. I should be able to open multiple datareaders
on one connection. AND WHEN YOU SELL US ON MARS IN SQL 2005; IT BETTER
FUCKING DO WHAT IT ADVERTISED-- ALLOW US MULTIPLE ACTIVE RESULTSETS
FROM ONE CONNECTION

I) allow us to keep SQLCONNECTIONS _OPEN_ I MEAN DUH!!!! We sometimes
use @@SPID as a session-level identifier; it would be nice if you
didn't randomly run around changing shit FOR NO FUCKING REASON. For
example; it also allows us to shut down an instance of an applicaiton
-- for example one user-- because we knew what SPID it was using. Now;
in this new and improved .NET land.. one app doesn't use the same SPID
from one minute to the next because of all this crap that you're
shoving down our throats, and we can't use @@SPID as a session
variable. We can't shut down an application from the database side...
WHY DID THIS NEED TO CHANGE, MICROSOFT!!??!!??

J) yeah.. when you decided that we didn't need a datareader.movenext
method you did us all a MAJOR DISSERVICE. I am fucking offended that
you don't think that we have the mental capacity to 'not remember the
rst.movenext' method.. I mean-- I actually read that in one of the MS
press books-- that way 'we dont need to remember rst.movenext' I mean
could you say anything MORE OFFENSIVE to us?

K) STOP TREATING US AS JUNIOR DEVELOPERS - just because we do visual
basic; it doesn't make us a weenie. We're not 'junior developers' we
are DEVELOPERS THAT ARE FOCUSED ON A SIMPLE PLATFORM IN ORDER TO
IMPROVE ROI. We're not the stupid programmers; we're the FOCUSED
PROGRAMMERS.

L) give us COM back and fix it to make it more fun. Can I write a
clientside ActiveX control in .NET? _WHY_NOT_? Can I further develop
MY EXISTING COM COMPONENTS? Can I browse my existing COM COMPONENTS?
Can I even use an ActiveX control on the clientside of a webpage?

M) this whole postback / runat=server paradigm that you've got for
ASP.net-- that's probably the least efficient crap I've ever heard of
in my life. I dont want my webpage to be talking to the webserver
100,000 times per hour. That isn't efficient. Do stuff on the CLIENT
SIDE like we used to be able to. We used to be able to open Excel and
run a macro _FROM A WEBPAGE_ can we do that anymore? I sure don't think
so

mg wrote:

Quote:

Master Baiter wrote:

Quote:

Listen butt fuck, if I wanted RealBasic I would already have it. You
may like that steaming pile of dogshit called VS 2005 - I dont. We want
Real Visual Basic.

FP is actually one of the very few products MS got right. The other one
was VB 6.0 ! Why do you think that there were over 3 milion users -
Because it is the GOD of all computer languages.

>
Sorry, I didn't realize what a looser you really are. It must suck to
be you.
>
So what is stopping you from continuing your exciting career as a VB6
programmer? You have already pronounced VB6 to be the pinnacle of
development technology. You should not want or need any changes ever
again. Get on with it and stop bitching.
>
he he he, you FrontPage bot wrangler, you.

vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
..

mg wrote:

Quote:

Master Baiter wrote:

Quote:

Listen butt fuck, if I wanted RealBasic I would already have it. You
may like that steaming pile of dogshit called VS 2005 - I dont. We want
Real Visual Basic.

FP is actually one of the very few products MS got right. The other one
was VB 6.0 ! Why do you think that there were over 3 milion users -
Because it is the GOD of all computer languages.

>
Sorry, I didn't realize what a looser you really are. It must suck to
be you.
>
So what is stopping you from continuing your exciting career as a VB6
programmer? You have already pronounced VB6 to be the pinnacle of
development technology. You should not want or need any changes ever
again. Get on with it and stop bitching.
>
he he he, you FrontPage bot wrangler, you.

Apparently that's true for you. But not for everyone else.

Have a nice day,
Robin S.
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Quote:

vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
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vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
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vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
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vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
>
>
>
mg wrote:

Quote:

>Master Baiter wrote:

Quote:

Listen butt fuck, if I wanted RealBasic I would already have it. You
may like that steaming pile of dogshit called VS 2005 - I dont. We want
Real Visual Basic.
>
FP is actually one of the very few products MS got right. The other one
was VB 6.0 ! Why do you think that there were over 3 milion users -
Because it is the GOD of all computer languages.

>>
>Sorry, I didn't realize what a looser you really are. It must suck to
>be you.
>>
>So what is stopping you from continuing your exciting career as a VB6
>programmer? You have already pronounced VB6 to be the pinnacle of
>development technology. You should not want or need any changes ever
>again. Get on with it and stop bitching.
>>
>he he he, you FrontPage bot wrangler, you.

>

ok can you <INSERT><AUTOFORMin VB.net 2002, VB.net 2003 or VB 2005?

do you run on the latest dual core machine?

Microsoft is making BLOATWARE and NAGWARE instead of quick secure,
manageable solutions.

VB6 was a consistent story-- we could use the same language on the
server side, on the client side.. for macros and etl.

can VB.net do _ANY_ of these?

I dont want to mix JAVA and VB6 and VB.net

and that is what Microsoft can do.
they can lick my nuts.

they took away 'edit and continue' for 3 years and then screwed the
language by only producing samples in C#

piece of shit ass company can lick my nuts; and little sissy RobinS has
painted her career into a 'vb.net = junior programmer' mentality

RobinS wrote:

Quote:

Apparently that's true for you. But not for everyone else.
>
Have a nice day,
Robin S.
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Quote:

vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.

mg wrote:

Quote:

Master Baiter wrote:
Listen butt fuck, if I wanted RealBasic I would already have it. You
may like that steaming pile of dogshit called VS 2005 - I dont. We want
Real Visual Basic.

FP is actually one of the very few products MS got right. The other one
was VB 6.0 ! Why do you think that there were over 3 milion users -
Because it is the GOD of all computer languages.
>
Sorry, I didn't realize what a looser you really are. It must suck to
be you.
>
So what is stopping you from continuing your exciting career as a VB6
programmer? You have already pronounced VB6 to be the pinnacle of
development technology. You should not want or need any changes ever
again. Get on with it and stop bitching.
>
he he he, you FrontPage bot wrangler, you.

There you go again, making assumptions about me when
you don't even know me. ROFL.

Robin S.
-------------------------------------
<aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1164487795.364379.76010@14g2000cws.googlegrou ps.com...

Quote:

ok can you <INSERT><AUTOFORMin VB.net 2002, VB.net 2003 or VB 2005?
>
do you run on the latest dual core machine?
>
Microsoft is making BLOATWARE and NAGWARE instead of quick secure,
manageable solutions.
>
VB6 was a consistent story-- we could use the same language on the
server side, on the client side.. for macros and etl.
>
can VB.net do _ANY_ of these?
>
I dont want to mix JAVA and VB6 and VB.net
>
and that is what Microsoft can do.
they can lick my nuts.
>
they took away 'edit and continue' for 3 years and then screwed the
language by only producing samples in C#
>
piece of shit ass company can lick my nuts; and little sissy RobinS has
painted her career into a 'vb.net = junior programmer' mentality
>
>
>
RobinS wrote:

Quote:

>Apparently that's true for you. But not for everyone else.
>>
>Have a nice day,
>Robin S.
>----------------------------------
><aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote in message
>news:1164465854.156275.277710@l12g2000cwl.googleg roups.com...

Quote:

vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
>
>
>
mg wrote:
>Master Baiter wrote:
Listen butt fuck, if I wanted RealBasic I would already have it. You
may like that steaming pile of dogshit called VS 2005 - I dont. We
want
Real Visual Basic.
>
FP is actually one of the very few products MS got right. The other
one
was VB 6.0 ! Why do you think that there were over 3 milion users -
Because it is the GOD of all computer languages.
>>
>Sorry, I didn't realize what a looser you really are. It must suck to
>be you.
>>
>So what is stopping you from continuing your exciting career as a VB6
>programmer? You have already pronounced VB6 to be the pinnacle of
>development technology. You should not want or need any changes ever
>again. Get on with it and stop bitching.
>>
>he he he, you FrontPage bot wrangler, you.
>

>

hey you're the one with the sissy-ass name

-Aaron

RobinS wrote:

Quote:

There you go again, making assumptions about me when
you don't even know me. ROFL.
>
Robin S.
-------------------------------------
<aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1164487795.364379.76010@14g2000cws.googlegrou ps.com...

Quote:

ok can you <INSERT><AUTOFORMin VB.net 2002, VB.net 2003 or VB 2005?

do you run on the latest dual core machine?

Microsoft is making BLOATWARE and NAGWARE instead of quick secure,
manageable solutions.

VB6 was a consistent story-- we could use the same language on the
server side, on the client side.. for macros and etl.

can VB.net do _ANY_ of these?

I dont want to mix JAVA and VB6 and VB.net

and that is what Microsoft can do.
they can lick my nuts.

they took away 'edit and continue' for 3 years and then screwed the
language by only producing samples in C#

piece of shit ass company can lick my nuts; and little sissy RobinS has
painted her career into a 'vb.net = junior programmer' mentality

RobinS wrote:

Quote:

Apparently that's true for you. But not for everyone else.
>
Have a nice day,
Robin S.
----------------------------------
<aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1164465854.156275.277710@l12g2000cwl.googlegr oups.com...
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.
vb6 was infinitely MORE USABLE than VB.NET 2002, VB.NET 2003 or VB 2005
.

mg wrote:
Master Baiter wrote:
Listen butt fuck, if I wanted RealBasic I would already have it. You
may like that steaming pile of dogshit called VS 2005 - I dont. We
want
Real Visual Basic.

FP is actually one of the very few products MS got right. The other
one
was VB 6.0 ! Why do you think that there were over 3 milion users -
Because it is the GOD of all computer languages.
>
Sorry, I didn't realize what a looser you really are. It must suck to
be you.
>
So what is stopping you from continuing your exciting career as a VB6
programmer? You have already pronounced VB6 to be the pinnacle of
development technology. You should not want or need any changes ever
again. Get on with it and stop bitching.
>
he he he, you FrontPage bot wrangler, you.

Hey Aaron

Check this out....

http://groups.google.com.ph/group/mi...30fd3b14052b7e

the fucking idiots fall for it ever time. Keep up the good work.

Raj (ha ha)

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

I second that move brother.. TOTALLY AGREE
>
Shit brotha; my name is Aaron
and SusieDba
and Punjab_tom
and DbaHooker
and LarryLinsonJr
>
I say that we work on a website together I think that we agree on the
major concepts
>
BRING BACK VB6 OR EAT DICK, MICROSOFT
>
-Aaron
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Yeah, I agree Larry, its time these fuckers made some stable software
or close shop. In reality they should dump shit products like
anything.net and focus on resurrecting Visual basic 6.0.

The Grand Master
Knowledge is Everything

Larry Linson wrote:

Quote:

buddy.. where do you come up with this crap anyways?
>
I dont need to submit my errors to microsoft in order to find a
resolution
microsoft needs to start TESTING THEIR OWN SOFTWARE _BEFORE_RELEASE_
instead of spending all of their energies on XBox 360
>
-Larry
>
>
HKSHK wrote:
Dear Mr. Kempf,

as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH

If there's no bug report, it will take much longer (or make it even
impossible) to find out where the bug is. It's in your own interest to
report. Without bugfix, the crash might happen again and again and
again. Is that really what you want? Besides, if you think that other
companies produce bug free software, why don't you just use that
software, then?

they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software

If you always use words like fuck, ass etc. how do you think that people
might rate your posting?

Best Regards,

HKSHK

I guess these people never used VB.

-- VB is a managed code.
-- C++ you jump all over creating code. I learned it, I hate it.
-- I compiled C++ code, it takes longer. Period
-- The .NET framework changes little each time. They keep the older classes
in for compatibility.
-- VB is used for creating Games, Office, and Power apps. Don't belivbe me?
Google 'VB applications'.
-- .NET framework is open source, meaning that it will be on many platforms.
(Microsoft is trying to bridge the gap between MAC and PC). Imaging building
an app for PC and MAC on the same programming platform.
-- VB is stable if you use thread-safe operations.
-- VB is not a newbie platform. It's manageg. Wich means it's easy to code.
-- VB compiles encrypted. Meaning your program will not be HEXed and passed
throughout the undeground. Right. More money for you :).

And so on and so forth. Don't let the C++/Java crowd get to you. That
language builds this language.

--
Thiele Enterprises - The Power Is In Your Hands Now!

--
<aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1164301035.591171.168250@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Quote:

>
1) unnessesarily over complex

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

4) It is slow to compile

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
each few month)

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
world

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)
<-- ONE OF THE BEST FEATURES OF DREAMWEAVER..they just have the wrong
selection of languages; it should be PHP and 4 different flavors of VB

9) Most of it isnt documented properly
<-- IVE GOT HUNDREDS OF BOOKS, I DISAGREE. It is documented properly
its' just AWFUL ARCHITECTURE. I shoudn't have to touch XML if i dont
want to. I use databases; and I have for 10 years. I shouldn't be
subjected to this crappy slow interface

10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.
<-- SORRY DOG IT ISNT CALLED .NET ANYMORE.. WE _WON_ THAT ARGUMENT
ALREADY

Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Lets summarise children.......
>
VISUAL STUDIO (all versions) is fucking GARBAGE.
>
Here are 10 reasons not to waste your time with the shit-ware.
>
1) unnessesarily over complex
>
2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.
>
3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)
>
4) It is slow to compile
>
5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.
>
6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
each few month)
>
7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
world
>
8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)
>
9) Most of it isnt documented properly
>
10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.
>
The Grand Master
>
>
>
>
>
aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

what ever dude

as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH

they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software

Michael D. Ober wrote:

Quote:

After sending off the next crash report, follow the link you get. I
suspect
you'll end up at a TechNet article describing the crash. This article
will
probably say there is a Hotfix available. Call PSS for Visual Studio
and
give them the TechNet article id. I had a similar problem with VB
2005 and
had the hotfix (actually 2 of them) in under 30 minutes.
>
Mike Ober.
>
"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes
I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
important
stuff.

Ryan

I SURE wasn't advocating C++ or Java.. I would rather suck a cock
personally

I was saying that the 'magic of VB has left the building' because it is
no longer 'visual' and it sure aint 'basic'

it's unnecessarily complex

i think that we're smart enought to include 'rst.movenext' when we need
it

I think that we should be able to open a connection if and when we
want-- and leave it open if and when we want to.

I disagree with the complexity of VB.net
why change things just for the shits and giggles of it?
I HATE the _SLOW-ASS_ VB 2005 programming environment

and i hate the fact that Microsoft invented a new language instead of
taking vb seriously.
there isn't room for 4 Microsoft languages

and Microsoft 'just doesn't get it'

I can't record Excel macros in VB.net so they, in my opinion..
I can't author Access modules in VB.net so they, in my opinion..
I can't write Outlook macros in VB.net so they, in my opinion..
I can't use 'Windows Powershell' with VB.net can I? all the examples I
saw were C#
I can't use 'Windows Script Host' with VB.net can I?
I can't take code from Excel and use it in SSIS can I?
I can't take code from Access and use it in SSIS can I?
I can't take code from Outlook and use it in SSIS can I?

so they can suck a big fat dick

Ryan S. Thiele wrote:

Quote:

I guess these people never used VB.
>
-- VB is a managed code.
-- C++ you jump all over creating code. I learned it, I hate it.
-- I compiled C++ code, it takes longer. Period
-- The .NET framework changes little each time. They keep the older classes
in for compatibility.
-- VB is used for creating Games, Office, and Power apps. Don't belivbe me?
Google 'VB applications'.
-- .NET framework is open source, meaning that it will be on many platforms.
(Microsoft is trying to bridge the gap between MAC and PC). Imaging building
an app for PC and MAC on the same programming platform.
-- VB is stable if you use thread-safe operations.
-- VB is not a newbie platform. It's manageg. Wich means it's easy to code.
-- VB compiles encrypted. Meaning your program will not be HEXed and passed
throughout the undeground. Right. More money for you :).
>
And so on and so forth. Don't let the C++/Java crowd get to you. That
language builds this language.
>
--
Thiele Enterprises - The Power Is In Your Hands Now!
>
--
<aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1164301035.591171.168250@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Quote:

1) unnessesarily over complex

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

4) It is slow to compile

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
each few month)

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
world

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE
>
8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)
<-- ONE OF THE BEST FEATURES OF DREAMWEAVER..they just have the wrong
selection of languages; it should be PHP and 4 different flavors of VB
>
9) Most of it isnt documented properly
<-- IVE GOT HUNDREDS OF BOOKS, I DISAGREE. It is documented properly
its' just AWFUL ARCHITECTURE. I shoudn't have to touch XML if i dont
want to. I use databases; and I have for 10 years. I shouldn't be
subjected to this crappy slow interface
>
10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.
<-- SORRY DOG IT ISNT CALLED .NET ANYMORE.. WE _WON_ THAT ARGUMENT
ALREADY
>
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

Lets summarise children.......

VISUAL STUDIO (all versions) is fucking GARBAGE.

Here are 10 reasons not to waste your time with the shit-ware.

1) unnessesarily over complex

2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.

3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)

4) It is slow to compile

5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.

6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
each few month)

7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
world

8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)

9) Most of it isnt documented properly

10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.

The Grand Master

aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

what ever dude
>
as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH
>
they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software
>
>
>
>
Michael D. Ober wrote:
After sending off the next crash report, follow the link you get. I
suspect
you'll end up at a TechNet article describing the crash. This article
will
probably say there is a Hotfix available. Call PSS for Visual Studio
and
give them the TechNet article id. I had a similar problem with VB
2005 and
had the hotfix (actually 2 of them) in under 30 minutes.

Mike Ober.

"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.
>
It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal Reports,
the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes
I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.
>
I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
important
stuff.
>

I was saying that the 'magic of VB has left the building' because it is

Quote:

no longer 'visual' and it sure aint 'basic'

The `Visual' refers to form designers, of which .NET has a much more
powerful form/property object editor that VB 6 ever did.

Quote:

it's unnecessarily complex

It's incredibly simple, as long as you understand some very fundamental
principles. If not, post your questions in this newsgroup and we can try to
help.

Quote:

i think that we're smart enought to include 'rst.movenext' when we need it

You no longer need it.

While theDataReader.Read ()
.....
End While

Quote:

I think that we should be able to open a connection if and when we
want-- and leave it open if and when we want to.

You can do so very easily...

Dim myConnection as new SqlConnection (....)

.....

myConnection.Dispose ()

Quote:

I disagree with the complexity of VB.net
why change things just for the shits and giggles of it?

It was changed to keep it up to date with modern programming patterns and
practices, which I for one am grateful for, but I did spend 4 years at
University in order to get a good grounding on the basic principles. These
languages are more attractive to professional programmers, rather than
hobbyists, of which you appear to be one.

Quote:

I HATE the _SLOW-ASS_ VB 2005 programming environment

Yes, there are some bugs with the 2005 IDE - the service pack is in beta I
believe. Patience.

Quote:

and i hate the fact that Microsoft invented a new language instead of
taking vb seriousl there isn't room for 4 Microsoft languages

Room where? They are executing on the same CLR.

Quote:

I can't record Excel macros in VB.net so they, in my opinion..

You can automate Excel from VB.NET

Quote:

I can't author Access modules in VB.net so they, in my opinion..

You can automate Access from VB.NET

Quote:

I can't write Outlook macros in VB.net so they, in my opinion..

You can automate Outlook from VB.NET

Quote:

I can't use 'Windows Powershell' with VB.net can I? all the examples I
saw were C#

If it works in C#, it works in VB.NET. It isn't difficult to translate
between VB.NET and C#.

Quote:

I can't use 'Windows Script Host' with VB.net can I?

You don't need it, you have WMI but anyway, yes you can - they are
automation objects.

Quote:

I can't take code from Excel and use it in SSIS can I?
I can't take code from Access and use it in SSIS can I?
I can't take code from Outlook and use it in SSIS can I?

What has that got to do with VB.NET?

It's difficult to have an opinion about something so strongly when the
foundations of those opinions are either wrong or based on complete
ignorance of the subject. You seem to be expending a large amount of energy
on anger rather than study.

Robin

I think I saw in one of your other posts that you've been away,
and now are back. Just FYI, this guy and another one who calls
himself "master programmer" are posting anti-VB.Net messages
throughout this newsgroup hoping to irk people enough to drive
them away. This one is more abusive than the other guy, and
arguing with him is not terribly helpful. The only reason I
respond to any of his posts is so if a newbie is reading the
newsgroup, they don't think everyone agrees with the guy.

Robin S.
------------------------------
"Ryan S. Thiele" <maligui@verizon.netwrote in message
news:B4Cah.5367$ki3.1203@trndny01...

Quote:

>I guess these people never used VB.
>
-- VB is a managed code.
-- C++ you jump all over creating code. I learned it, I hate it.
-- I compiled C++ code, it takes longer. Period
-- The .NET framework changes little each time. They keep the older
classes
in for compatibility.
-- VB is used for creating Games, Office, and Power apps. Don't belivbe
me?
Google 'VB applications'.
-- .NET framework is open source, meaning that it will be on many
platforms.
(Microsoft is trying to bridge the gap between MAC and PC). Imaging
building
an app for PC and MAC on the same programming platform.
-- VB is stable if you use thread-safe operations.
-- VB is not a newbie platform. It's manageg. Wich means it's easy to
code.
-- VB compiles encrypted. Meaning your program will not be HEXed and
passed
throughout the undeground. Right. More money for you :).
>
And so on and so forth. Don't let the C++/Java crowd get to you. That
language builds this language.
>
--
Thiele Enterprises - The Power Is In Your Hands Now!
>
--
<aaron.kempf@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1164301035.591171.168250@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...

Quote:

>>
>1) unnessesarily over complex

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

>2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

>3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

>4) It is slow to compile

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

>5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

>6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
>each few month)

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE

Quote:

>7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
>world

<--- FULLY FUCKING AGREE DUDE
>
8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
too?)
<-- ONE OF THE BEST FEATURES OF DREAMWEAVER..they just have the wrong
selection of languages; it should be PHP and 4 different flavors of VB
>
9) Most of it isnt documented properly
<-- IVE GOT HUNDREDS OF BOOKS, I DISAGREE. It is documented properly
its' just AWFUL ARCHITECTURE. I shoudn't have to touch XML if i dont
want to. I use databases; and I have for 10 years. I shouldn't be
subjected to this crappy slow interface
>
10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
spouting the word .NET all of the time.
<-- SORRY DOG IT ISNT CALLED .NET ANYMORE.. WE _WON_ THAT ARGUMENT
ALREADY
>
>
>
>
Master Programmer wrote:

Quote:

>Lets summarise children.......
>>
>VISUAL STUDIO (all versions) is fucking GARBAGE.
>>
>Here are 10 reasons not to waste your time with the shit-ware.
>>
>1) unnessesarily over complex
>>
>2) loaded with useless unwanted features that clutter it.
>>
>3) All data is based on XML (so fucking what - who cares !)
>>
>4) It is slow to compile
>>
>5) The framework is boring to work with and there is too much security.
>>
>6) The framework constantly changes (so you need to relearn everything
>each few month)
>>
>7) Its not considered a real language for serious apps in the business
>world
>>
>8) Allows you too use multiple languages (why the fuck would you want
>too?)
>>
>9) Most of it isnt documented properly
>>
>10) It has a very stupid sounding name (I would be embarrased to keep
>spouting the word .NET all of the time.
>>
>The Grand Master
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>aaron.kempf@gmail.com wrote:

Quote:

what ever dude
>
as if you should use that online crash analysis - i mean enough is
enough when they've got a buggy ass system im not going to let them
LEARN FROM MY CRASH
>
they can fuck themselves and start selling productive, bugfree software
>
>
>
>
Michael D. Ober wrote:
After sending off the next crash report, follow the link you get. I
suspect
you'll end up at a TechNet article describing the crash. This
article
will
probably say there is a Hotfix available. Call PSS for Visual Studio
and
give them the TechNet article id. I had a similar problem with VB
2005 and
had the hotfix (actually 2 of them) in under 30 minutes.
>
Mike Ober.
>
"Tony Van" <ton-jud-ann@comcast.netwrote in message
news:8vKdnQS0qbN_4_nYnZ2dnUVZ_qCdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
I'm using Version 8, learning the language and writing some code.

It seems every session, especially when programming Crystal
Reports,
the
program stutters and sends a message off to Microsoft. Sometimes
I've
lost code, other times the system sets off on a build that never
finishes.
Very time consuming and unproductive.

I am alone in this? I like VB.NET but I'm worried about losing
important
stuff.

>
>

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