ZendFramework... any good?  | Expert | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Moon, Dark Side
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I've been so use to propriatry frameworks defined by companys i've worked for, i've never gotten a taste of a widely used open source framework and want to just pick one and go for my this next project instead of spending days "falling in love" with one of the open ones.
Have any of you used Zend? pbmod's got a certificate with Zend, but he's not around much any more.
Opinions and recommendations welcome.
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Originally Posted by dlite922 I've been so use to propriatry frameworks defined by companys i've worked for, i've never gotten a taste of a widely used open source framework and want to just pick one and go for my this next project instead of spending days "falling in love" with one of the open ones.
Have any of you used Zend? pbmod's got a certificate with Zend, but he's not around much any more.
Opinions and recommendations welcome. if its good enough for phmods its good enough for me! ^_^
thanks for ALL your help.
Zend is "the php company" surprised no expert in the php forum has an opinion of them.
Is there something controversial you guys know about that I don't?
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Unfortunateli i have not experience using ZendFramework.
In my opinion all php frameworks more or less similar to each other.Because all of them are implement MVC model.
May i ask you which of them you have used?
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Originally Posted by dlite922 if its good enough for phmods its good enough for me! ^_^
thanks for ALL your help.
Zend is "the php company" surprised no expert in the php forum has an opinion of them.
Is there something controversial you guys know about that I don't? Haha, i have no experience with it, either.
But yeh, if the pbmods uses it... it's good enough for anyone!
I wonder where he is these days.
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I can't comment on Zend as I haven't used it. But I am an avid CodeIgniter user. It's a great framework and it's easy to get started using it. Incredible documentation makes using it a breeze. It uses what they call "friendly" urls. EX: http://www.mysite.com/controller/met...ent2/argument3
In the above URL, the index.php which is built into the platform calls the controller (which is just a PHP class) then specify's the method (a function in the class) and passes in three arguments. The function (or method) then uses the code igniter code $this->load->view('someview') to dictate what gets displayed.
Pretty simple!
Greg
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Originally Posted by gregerly ...It uses what they call "friendly" urls. EX:
http://www.mysite.com/controller/met...ent2/argument3
In the above URL, the index.php which is built into the platform calls the controller (which is just a PHP class) then specify's the method (a function in the class) and passes in three arguments. The function (or method) then uses the code igniter code $this->load->view('someview') to dictate what gets displayed.
Greg thanks greg, I"m trying to marry a framework, the one i've(we've) made at my current company helps, but its not all that.
The friendly URL you suggested is very common among all the frameworks.
I'm stickin with Zend, even if its not the best, it will force a "php attitude" on me because its made/documented/etc. by the PHP developers creators.
They're the "PHP Company", Following that and pbmods is my best bet.
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Originally Posted by dlite922  thanks greg, I"m trying to marry a framework, the one i've(we've) made at my current company helps, but its not all that.
The friendly URL you suggested is very common among all the frameworks.
I'm stickin with Zend, even if its not the best, it will force a "php attitude" on me because its made/documented/etc. by the PHP developers creators.
They're the "PHP Company", Following that and pbmods is my best bet. After one year what is your opinion? Are you still with it?
Thanks
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WOW! I've come so far! A year and a half ago! Thanks for bringing up this post again.
I dropped Zend after the first couple of days of trying to learn it. For a few different reasons really:
1. Why learn all that? Ran into many issues that I had to google over and over. Things didn't go right as it did in tutorials. (And honestly, I didn't know as much as about PHP as I do today, so that may have been a cause)
2. Too big. My projects never seemed to get that large (PDF conversion? etc etc). I use a framework, but my own framework, one that is completely stripped down from Zend. I recently gave it to this community and uploaded it to sourceforge.net (it's called bytesphpfw). Before I evolved this framework from the company I used to work for, I also tried other frameworks (CakePHP, Symphony, and can't remember if I looked at CodeIgniter)
3. I accidentally embraced PHP's freedom for expression and paved a road for myself with a spirit of exploration. I learned the common best practices by example and created my own habit.
Q: Will I go back to an open framework?
A: Only if any project requires me to. My simple MVC layout serves me just fine.
My Advice: Try out an open framework just for the experience. I've heard good things about CodeIgniter.
In the end, I think attribute Zend to IBM: strict, corporate, dry, lacking "jeans and shirt" that most free-spirited PHP lovers desire.
Dan
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I was waiting for your answer :)
Thank you for elaborating. Must say I was hoping for different answer, something more like:"I loved it, still do and never looked back."
I started working on the project I had a choice how to do it. Just for the sake of experience I decided to do it with Zend. First couple tutorials I looked at was really not doing it for me. Especially because 1.8.3 is relatively recent and changes are pretty major. But finaly couple of days ago I found good tutorial and I am geting to like it now. We'll see how it goes.
Thnks again for your reply
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:) Sorry, I tend to go on and on.
My Short Answer: Didn't Like it, Didn't Need it, Didn't Learn it, and moved on.
best of luck,
Dan
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What happened to the Bytes Framework? It dissapeared from a Sticky?
| | Expert | | Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Moon, Dark Side
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It's there on sourceforge, I just don't have time to sit down with it and well basically that's what I had, I wanted mostly for people to add to it and expand on the use of it.
Feel free to download it and change it.
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