Great Programmer

If anyone needs a programmer to work on a project, you can e-mail me at
mattvenables (-AT-) gmail.com. I am extremely skilled in PHP and many
other web languages. Let me know!

I could do with some help on some open source projects.

This would, of course, be unpaid, non-profit work.

Cheers
--Colin

I might be in need of some help on a project im doing.. I dont know if
i would pay you im doing it for the love of php :) maybe u could too ?
lol..

you can also try volunteermatch.org . i have found many interesting
work from them and in return I get links back to my sites to improve my
search engine rankings..

mattvenables wrote:[color=blue]
> If anyone needs a programmer to work on a project, you can e-mail me at
> mattvenables (-AT-) gmail.com. I am extremely skilled in PHP and many
> other web languages. Let me know![/color]

Who was that guy a couple years back from the Chicago area that spammed
his resume around... ...then tried to get back at people who contacted
abuse@ for defaming him?

That was funny as hell.

~Jason

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In article <11a1r353ni8d39@corp.supernews.com>,
Jason Gurtz <ask@NOmeSPAM.where> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Who was that guy a couple years back from the Chicago area that spammed
> his resume around... ...then tried to get back at people who contacted
> abuse@ for defaming him?
>
> That was funny as hell.
>
> ~Jason
>
> --[/color]

http://petemoss.com/spamflames/Shifm...onSpammer.html

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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:35:57 -0700, mattvenables wrote:
[color=blue]
> If anyone needs a programmer to work on a project, you can e-mail me at
> mattvenables (-AT-) gmail.com. I am extremely skilled in PHP and many
> other web languages. Let me know![/color]

I have interviewed a lot of people over the years and because of the
mountains of CVs and letters you receive, you tend to scan rather than
read, the first scan to get rid of unlikely candidates you just pick out
the 'style' rather than the content of them. I'm afraid that before I
re-read your post to see what you were actually saying, I had already
mentally thrown it into the bin.

What ever your skills in programming you aren't going to get very far
until you can write better introductory letters.

On 2005-06-06, BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk> wrote:[color=blue]
> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:35:57 -0700, mattvenables wrote:
>[color=green]
>> If anyone needs a programmer to work on a project, you can e-mail me at
>> mattvenables (-AT-) gmail.com. I am extremely skilled in PHP and many
>> other web languages. Let me know![/color]
>
> I have interviewed a lot of people over the years and because of the
> mountains of CVs and letters you receive, you tend to scan rather than
> read, the first scan to get rid of unlikely candidates you just pick out
> the 'style' rather than the content of them. I'm afraid that before I
> re-read your post to see what you were actually saying, I had already
> mentally thrown it into the bin.
>
> What ever your skills in programming you aren't going to get very far
> until you can write better introductory letters.[/color]

Your criticism is only marginally helpful to the OP. You say the style
is bad but not what the problem with the style is nor how it could be
improved. Please, enlighten us.

--
Cheers,
- Jacob Atzen

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:52:36 +0000, Jacob Atzen wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 2005-06-06, BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:35:57 -0700, mattvenables wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> If anyone needs a programmer to work on a project, you can e-mail me at
>>> mattvenables (-AT-) gmail.com. I am extremely skilled in PHP and many
>>> other web languages. Let me know![/color]
>>
>> I have interviewed a lot of people over the years and because of the
>> mountains of CVs and letters you receive, you tend to scan rather than
>> read, the first scan to get rid of unlikely candidates you just pick out
>> the 'style' rather than the content of them. I'm afraid that before I
>> re-read your post to see what you were actually saying, I had already
>> mentally thrown it into the bin.
>>
>> What ever your skills in programming you aren't going to get very far
>> until you can write better introductory letters.[/color]
>
> Your criticism is only marginally helpful to the OP. You say the style
> is bad but not what the problem with the style is nor how it could be
> improved. Please, enlighten us.[/color]

The OP could have posted in gramatically correct English.

The OP could have refrained from spamming his services.

The OP could have provided links to projects/source code that he has
worked on.

Are there any other bleeding obvious observations you'd like stated?

CJ Llewellyn (cj.llewellyn@gmail.com) wrote:
: On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:52:36 +0000, Jacob Atzen wrote:

: > On 2005-06-06, BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk> wrote:
: >> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:35:57 -0700, mattvenables wrote:
: >>
: >>> If anyone needs a programmer to work on a project, you can e-mail me at
: >>> mattvenables (-AT-) gmail.com. I am extremely skilled in PHP and many
: >>> other web languages. Let me know!
: >>
: >> I have interviewed a lot of people over the years and because of the
: >> mountains of CVs and letters you receive, you tend to scan rather than
: >> read, the first scan to get rid of unlikely candidates you just pick out
: >> the 'style' rather than the content of them. I'm afraid that before I
: >> re-read your post to see what you were actually saying, I had already
: >> mentally thrown it into the bin.
: >>
: >> What ever your skills in programming you aren't going to get very far
: >> until you can write better introductory letters.
: >
: > Your criticism is only marginally helpful to the OP. You say the style
: > is bad but not what the problem with the style is nor how it could be
: > improved. Please, enlighten us.

: The OP could have posted in gramatically correct English.

Pray tell, what is wrong with his English?

: The OP could have refrained from spamming his services.

I find that debatable. He posted one message to one news group, and there
is no obvious alternative group to which he should have posted, such as (a
non-existing) comp.lang.php.jobs or similar. Is there a group charter
commonly posted that links to the rules of the group that says this is out
of line? (Maybe, I don't know, but I've never noticed one being
referenced.) Did he post similar messages in numerous other groups? (I
didn't check, but I am guessing not.

Others could very honestly disagree with me, the topic often brings out
deep and potentially correct opinions, and different groups certainly have
different rules on what is acceptable.

: The OP could have provided links to projects/source code that he has
: worked on.

That is always a good idea in a cover leter or resume, but of course since
you have already accused him of spamming when he posted this in a news
group then clearly he needs to be careful to keep his message right to the
point, and also to be careful not to appear to be sneakvertising a web
site. So perhaps it would have been unwise to provide links to anything
in his message.

: Are there any other bleeding obvious observations you'd like stated?

(What was that about grammar?)

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On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:52:36 +0000, Jacob Atzen wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 2005-06-06, BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk> wrote:[color=green]
>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:35:57 -0700, mattvenables wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> If anyone needs a programmer to work on a project, you can e-mail me at
>>> mattvenables (-AT-) gmail.com. I am extremely skilled in PHP and many
>>> other web languages. Let me know![/color]
>>
>> I have interviewed a lot of people over the years and because of the
>> mountains of CVs and letters you receive, you tend to scan rather than
>> read, the first scan to get rid of unlikely candidates you just pick out
>> the 'style' rather than the content of them. I'm afraid that before I
>> re-read your post to see what you were actually saying, I had already
>> mentally thrown it into the bin.
>>
>> What ever your skills in programming you aren't going to get very far
>> until you can write better introductory letters.[/color]
>
> Your criticism is only marginally helpful to the OP. You say the style is
> bad but not what the problem with the style is nor how it could be
> improved. Please, enlighten us.[/color]

I don't have any problem with people trying to get work out of their
chosen subject, in fact I wish more would try, because the work is out
there waiting to be done. Also we aren't so short of bandwidth that I
would object in any way to them trying through the news groups.

They are people and places on the net much better for learning how to
create an introduction of that kind, much better skilled than I am. I'm
only really talking from the point of view of being on the receiving end
of applications. The more you receive the more quickly you have to filter
through them, even a fairly minor computer related job attracts
sometimes a hundred or so applications, eventually you learn how to
scan rather than read to narrow them down to a number that you can
concentrate on better.

This isn't an exact description, but I think it's fairly close.

Think of a musical note, absolutely pure, at a frequency and volume thats
comfortable, even pleasant to listen to. It takes no effort to listen to
it. Add just a touch of noise and it detracts from the underlying note,
already less pleasant to listen to. The more noise you add, the less able
you are to listen or at least to listen without effort.

Similar with a book. The first book I ever read simply because I wanted to
read it, rather than those that school told us to read, was The Lord of
the Rings when I was about 15. Before then reading was a struggle, because
i was aware of the act of reading, which detracts from what you are
actually reading. Tolkien's skill was his ability to write in such a way
that you didn't actually go through the act of reading in a conscious
sense, instead all you really did was soak up the story that flowed from
the pages.

I wouldn't expect a resume to be to Tolkien's standard. But I shouldn't
have to spend too much effort on the act of reading to soak up the
contents. You get a lot of letters and resumes to every advertised job,
but enough of those that write in are skilled enough to make reading
theirs easy, so those who don't manage that, irrespective of their skills
for the job, will not get their resume read.

Please don't see any of this as a criticism of matt, or others like him
trying to sell their skills. I agree with what you said, it wasn't enough
to say that I would of rejected his letter, I should of said why so he
has the chance to learn the skills that will put him at the top of the
pile.

On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 22:37:29 -0800, Malcolm Dew-Jones wrote:
[color=blue]
> CJ Llewellyn (cj.llewellyn@gmail.com) wrote:
> : On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 09:52:36 +0000, Jacob Atzen wrote:
>
> : > On 2005-06-06, BearItAll <spam@rassler.co.uk> wrote:
> : >> On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:35:57 -0700, mattvenables wrote:
> : >>
> : >>> If anyone needs a programmer to work on a project, you can e-mail me at
> : >>> mattvenables (-AT-) gmail.com. I am extremely skilled in PHP and many
> : >>> other web languages. Let me know!
> : >>
> : >> I have interviewed a lot of people over the years and because of the
> : >> mountains of CVs and letters you receive, you tend to scan rather than
> : >> read, the first scan to get rid of unlikely candidates you just pick out
> : >> the 'style' rather than the content of them. I'm afraid that before I
> : >> re-read your post to see what you were actually saying, I had already
> : >> mentally thrown it into the bin.
> : >>
> : >> What ever your skills in programming you aren't going to get very far
> : >> until you can write better introductory letters.
> : >
> : > Your criticism is only marginally helpful to the OP. You say the style
> : > is bad but not what the problem with the style is nor how it could be
> : > improved. Please, enlighten us.
>
> : The OP could have posted in gramatically correct English.
>
> Pray tell, what is wrong with his English?[/color]

Well old bean, it's hardly cricket is it?
[color=blue]
> : The OP could have refrained from spamming his services.
>
> I find that debatable. He posted one message to one news group, and there
> is no obvious alternative group to which he should have posted, such as (a
> non-existing) comp.lang.php.jobs or similar.[/color]

There are plenty of jobs.wanted groups, AFAIR c.l.p's charter
doesn't permit job postings. Although you'll hardly find people objecting
to them.
[color=blue]
> Is there a group charter
> commonly posted that links to the rules of the group that says this is out
> of line? (Maybe, I don't know, but I've never noticed one being
> referenced.) Did he post similar messages in numerous other groups? (I
> didn't check, but I am guessing not.
>
> Others could very honestly disagree with me, the topic often brings out
> deep and potentially correct opinions, and different groups certainly have
> different rules on what is acceptable.[/color]

Few people ever bother to read the charter, and IMHE very few people
realise why having the charter is a Good Idea(tm).
[color=blue]
> : The OP could have provided links to projects/source code that he has
> : worked on.
>
> That is always a good idea in a cover leter or resume, but of course since
> you have already accused him of spamming when he posted this in a news[/color]

Well if what you're doing is going to upset people, don't do it ;-)
[color=blue]
> group then clearly he needs to be careful to keep his message right to
> the point, and also to be careful not to appear to be sneakvertising a
> web site. So perhaps it would have been unwise to provide links to
> anything in his message.[/color]

Ever bought Viagra pills online? Just curious!
[color=blue]
> : Are there any other bleeding obvious observations you'd like stated?
>
> (What was that about grammar?)[/color]

Ooo now there's a can of worms ;-)

> Well if what you're doing is going to upset people, don't do it ;-)

That just upset me. According to your "rules," you shouldn't have done
that. Kind of a ridiculous statement if you ask me.