Language choice.. Need some assistance.

Our company is trying to decide to go .Net or not and which language to
use if we do. I have been doing a lot of research on .Net and VB.Net. I
used to be a VB 6 developer till I started to work here, so all along I
have been promoting VB. I'm also a VC++ developer, but have a little
less experiance in that than in VB. I would like to know what the
biggest difference, drawbacks, and advantages to using C# over VB.Net or
vice versa.

It's at a point here where we will have to rewrite all our applications
anyway, and our developers are going to be forced to learn whatever the
owners decide, so we are going to move to whatever language will fit our
needs the best at this time.

I've heard you can mix C# and VB.Net.. Is this true and does it work
well? What other options would we have that would possibly be better
than C# and VB.Net?

Thanks,
Aaron


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re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

"Aaron Smith" <thespirit-1-@smithcentral.net> schrieb[color=blue]
> Our company is trying to decide to go .Net or not and which language to
> use if we do. I have been doing a lot of research on .Net and VB.Net. I
> used to be a VB 6 developer till I started to work here, so all along I
> have been promoting VB. I'm also a VC++ developer, but have a little less
> experiance in that than in VB. I would like to know what the biggest
> difference, drawbacks, and advantages to using C# over VB.Net or vice
> versa.
>
> It's at a point here where we will have to rewrite all our applications
> anyway, and our developers are going to be forced to learn whatever the
> owners decide, so we are going to move to whatever language will fit our
> needs the best at this time.
>
> I've heard you can mix C# and VB.Net.. Is this true and does it work well?
> What other options would we have that would possibly be better than C# and
> VB.Net?
>[/color]

Hi Aron,

some introductory info from Microsoft:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/pr...o/whitepapers/
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en...quivalents.asp
http://blogs.msdn.com/csharpfaq/arch.../11/87816.aspx

Cheers

Arne Janning

re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

Thank you Arne, that clears up some stuff. I guess I should dig deeper
into MS's site. I was kind of hoping to get more developer opinion too
though.

Aaron

Aaron

Arne Janning wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Aaron Smith" <thespirit-1-@smithcentral.net> schrieb
>[color=green]
>>Our company is trying to decide to go .Net or not and which language to
>>use if we do. I have been doing a lot of research on .Net and VB.Net. I
>>used to be a VB 6 developer till I started to work here, so all along I
>>have been promoting VB. I'm also a VC++ developer, but have a little less
>>experiance in that than in VB. I would like to know what the biggest
>>difference, drawbacks, and advantages to using C# over VB.Net or vice
>>versa.
>>
>>It's at a point here where we will have to rewrite all our applications
>>anyway, and our developers are going to be forced to learn whatever the
>>owners decide, so we are going to move to whatever language will fit our
>>needs the best at this time.
>>
>>I've heard you can mix C# and VB.Net.. Is this true and does it work well?
>>What other options would we have that would possibly be better than C# and
>>VB.Net?
>>[/color]
>
>
> Hi Aron,
>
> some introductory info from Microsoft:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/pr...o/whitepapers/
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/en...quivalents.asp
> http://blogs.msdn.com/csharpfaq/arch.../11/87816.aspx
>
> Cheers
>
> Arne Janning
>
>[/color]


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re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

"Aaron Smith" <thespirit-1-@smithcentral.net> schrieb[color=blue]
> Thank you Arne, that clears up some stuff. I guess I should dig deeper
> into MS's site. I was kind of hoping to get more developer opinion too
> though.[/color]

Hi Aaron,

I know that you expected more developer opinions but:
from the mere technical point of view everything is described in the MS
documents and the rest can be said in one sentence:

"C# vs. VB.NET is the most insipid discussion there is, if
everyone spent as much time learning .NET instead of having this
argument..."
(William Ryan, eMVP)

Simply search for "c# vs vb.net" in groups.google.com and you'll find more
than 11.000 threads dealing with this topic.
http://groups.google.de/groups?q=c%23%20vs%20vb.net

Cheers

Arne Janning

re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

Holy moley, you're right... There are a ton. 11,300 is what it maxed out
at. I don't want to read THAT many discussions on it. :D Guess I'll
stick with MS's site.

Aaron

Arne Janning wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Aaron Smith" <thespirit-1-@smithcentral.net> schrieb
>[color=green]
>>Thank you Arne, that clears up some stuff. I guess I should dig deeper
>>into MS's site. I was kind of hoping to get more developer opinion too
>>though.[/color]
>
>
> Hi Aaron,
>
> I know that you expected more developer opinions but:
> from the mere technical point of view everything is described in the MS
> documents and the rest can be said in one sentence:
>
> "C# vs. VB.NET is the most insipid discussion there is, if
> everyone spent as much time learning .NET instead of having this
> argument..."
> (William Ryan, eMVP)
>
> Simply search for "c# vs vb.net" in groups.google.com and you'll find more
> than 11.000 threads dealing with this topic.
> http://groups.google.de/groups?q=c%23%20vs%20vb.net
>
> Cheers
>
> Arne Janning
>
>[/color]


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re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

"mscertified" <rupert@tigerlily.com> wrote in
news:7A275A8C-EFF2-452B-92B7-E95ACEC297AB@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> IMHO it was a bad idea for MS to offer multiple languages. There should
> have
> been only one language for .NET. Think of all the duplication of effort
> and
> wasted discussion time having multiple languages causes - and its all
> pointless since it all compiles to equivalent code. Oh well I guess the
> booksellers will be happy.[/color]

Let's see: I have an Ada95 compiler here, and a gnu C compiler. Both produce
equivalent x86 code, so there should only be one of them?
Doesn't that apply to every programming language?
So, should we all write... turing machines?

Niki

re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

"Aaron Smith" <thespirit-1-@smithcentral.net> wrote in message
news:H3LXc.7884$FV3.6779@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...[color=blue]
> Our company is trying to decide to go .Net or not and which
> language to use if we do. I have been doing a lot of research
> on .Net and VB.Net. I used to be a VB 6 developer till I
> started to work here, so all along I have been promoting VB.[/color]

Don't assume that your skills in VB6 will translate in to skills
in VB.NET. Other than the name
and some of the control structures, there are absolutely no
similarities.
[color=blue]
> I'm also a VC++ developer, but have a little less experiance in
> that than in VB. I would like to know what the biggest
> difference, drawbacks, and advantages to using C# over VB.Net
> or vice versa.[/color]

Likewise, other than some of the control structures there are
really no similarties between
C# and C++. Don't let the names fool you. In fact C# is patterned
after Java, so if you know
Java, learning C# is pretty easy.
[color=blue]
> It's at a point here where we will have to rewrite all our
> applications anyway, and our developers are going to be forced
> to learn whatever the owners decide, so we are going to move to
> whatever language will fit our needs the best at this time.[/color]

I'd say go with C#. I know serveral experienced VB6 programmers
who started with
VB.NET first, and after they started working with C# decided they
couldn't stand VB.NET.

C# is just an elegant language, and it's easy to write clean code
with.
[color=blue]
> I've heard you can mix C# and VB.Net.. Is this true and does it
> work well? What other options would we have that would possibly
> be better than C# and VB.Net?[/color]

Yes. In fact, because all .NET languages (Delphi 8 included)
compile down to CLI instead of
machine language, any assemblies written in one .NET language can
be used from within any other
..NET language.

Andrew Faust

re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

That's interesting.... Thank you for the information.

Andrew Faust wrote:[color=blue]
> "Aaron Smith" <thespirit-1-@smithcentral.net> wrote in message
> news:H3LXc.7884$FV3.6779@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
>[color=green]
>>Our company is trying to decide to go .Net or not and which
>>language to use if we do. I have been doing a lot of research
>>on .Net and VB.Net. I used to be a VB 6 developer till I
>>started to work here, so all along I have been promoting VB.[/color]
>
>
> Don't assume that your skills in VB6 will translate in to skills
> in VB.NET. Other than the name
> and some of the control structures, there are absolutely no
> similarities.
>
>[color=green]
>>I'm also a VC++ developer, but have a little less experiance in
>>that than in VB. I would like to know what the biggest
>>difference, drawbacks, and advantages to using C# over VB.Net
>>or vice versa.[/color]
>
>
> Likewise, other than some of the control structures there are
> really no similarties between
> C# and C++. Don't let the names fool you. In fact C# is patterned
> after Java, so if you know
> Java, learning C# is pretty easy.
>
>[color=green]
>>It's at a point here where we will have to rewrite all our
>>applications anyway, and our developers are going to be forced
>>to learn whatever the owners decide, so we are going to move to
>>whatever language will fit our needs the best at this time.[/color]
>
>
> I'd say go with C#. I know serveral experienced VB6 programmers
> who started with
> VB.NET first, and after they started working with C# decided they
> couldn't stand VB.NET.
>
> C# is just an elegant language, and it's easy to write clean code
> with.
>
>[color=green]
>>I've heard you can mix C# and VB.Net.. Is this true and does it
>>work well? What other options would we have that would possibly
>>be better than C# and VB.Net?[/color]
>
>
> Yes. In fact, because all .NET languages (Delphi 8 included)
> compile down to CLI instead of
> machine language, any assemblies written in one .NET language can
> be used from within any other
> .NET language.
>
> Andrew Faust
>
>[/color]


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re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

"Aaron Smith" <thespirit-1-@smithcentral.net> wrote in message
news:H3LXc.7884$FV3.6779@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...[color=blue]
> Our company is trying to decide to go .Net or not and which
> language to use if we do. I have been doing a lot of research
> on .Net and VB.Net. I used to be a VB 6 developer till I
> started to work here, so all along I have been promoting VB.[/color]

Don't assume that your skills in VB6 will translate in to skills
in VB.NET. Other than the name
and some of the control structures, there are absolutely no
similarities.
[color=blue]
> I'm also a VC++ developer, but have a little less experiance in
> that than in VB. I would like to know what the biggest
> difference, drawbacks, and advantages to using C# over VB.Net
> or vice versa.[/color]

Likewise, other than some of the control structures there are
really no similarties between
C# and C++. Don't let the names fool you. In fact C# is patterned
after Java, so if you know
Java, learning C# is pretty easy.
[color=blue]
> It's at a point here where we will have to rewrite all our
> applications anyway, and our developers are going to be forced
> to learn whatever the owners decide, so we are going to move to
> whatever language will fit our needs the best at this time.[/color]

I'd say go with C#. I know serveral experienced VB6 programmers
who started with
VB.NET first, and after they started working with C# decided they
couldn't stand VB.NET.

C# is just an elegant language, and it's easy to write clean code
with.
[color=blue]
> I've heard you can mix C# and VB.Net.. Is this true and does it
> work well? What other options would we have that would possibly
> be better than C# and VB.Net?[/color]

Yes. In fact, because all .NET languages (Delphi 8 included)
compile down to CLI instead of
machine language, any assemblies written in one .NET language can
be used from within any other
..NET language.

Andrew Faust

re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

That's interesting.... Thank you for the information.

Andrew Faust wrote:[color=blue]
> "Aaron Smith" <thespirit-1-@smithcentral.net> wrote in message
> news:H3LXc.7884$FV3.6779@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
>[color=green]
>>Our company is trying to decide to go .Net or not and which
>>language to use if we do. I have been doing a lot of research
>>on .Net and VB.Net. I used to be a VB 6 developer till I
>>started to work here, so all along I have been promoting VB.[/color]
>
>
> Don't assume that your skills in VB6 will translate in to skills
> in VB.NET. Other than the name
> and some of the control structures, there are absolutely no
> similarities.
>
>[color=green]
>>I'm also a VC++ developer, but have a little less experiance in
>>that than in VB. I would like to know what the biggest
>>difference, drawbacks, and advantages to using C# over VB.Net
>>or vice versa.[/color]
>
>
> Likewise, other than some of the control structures there are
> really no similarties between
> C# and C++. Don't let the names fool you. In fact C# is patterned
> after Java, so if you know
> Java, learning C# is pretty easy.
>
>[color=green]
>>It's at a point here where we will have to rewrite all our
>>applications anyway, and our developers are going to be forced
>>to learn whatever the owners decide, so we are going to move to
>>whatever language will fit our needs the best at this time.[/color]
>
>
> I'd say go with C#. I know serveral experienced VB6 programmers
> who started with
> VB.NET first, and after they started working with C# decided they
> couldn't stand VB.NET.
>
> C# is just an elegant language, and it's easy to write clean code
> with.
>
>[color=green]
>>I've heard you can mix C# and VB.Net.. Is this true and does it
>>work well? What other options would we have that would possibly
>>be better than C# and VB.Net?[/color]
>
>
> Yes. In fact, because all .NET languages (Delphi 8 included)
> compile down to CLI instead of
> machine language, any assemblies written in one .NET language can
> be used from within any other
> .NET language.
>
> Andrew Faust
>
>[/color]


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re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

Aaron,

Some people say that it would be good when all people on the world where
speaking the same language (and than of course the major one Chinese)
however they don't.

Cor

re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

Aaron,

Some people say that it would be good when all people on the world where
speaking the same language (and than of course the major one Chinese)
however they don't.

Cor

re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:36:06 -0600, "Andrew Faust" <afaust@aradymeDOTcom> wrote:

¤
¤ "Aaron Smith" <thespirit-1-@smithcentral.net> wrote in message
¤ news:H3LXc.7884$FV3.6779@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
¤ > Our company is trying to decide to go .Net or not and which
¤ > language to use if we do. I have been doing a lot of research
¤ > on .Net and VB.Net. I used to be a VB 6 developer till I
¤ > started to work here, so all along I have been promoting VB.
¤
¤ Don't assume that your skills in VB6 will translate in to skills
¤ in VB.NET. Other than the name
¤ and some of the control structures, there are absolutely no
¤ similarities.

You sound like a disgruntled "Classic VB" developer. ;-)

While there are differences, partly due to the language being .NETitified, to state that there are
no similarities is spreading disinformation.

¤
¤ I'd say go with C#. I know serveral experienced VB6 programmers
¤ who started with
¤ VB.NET first, and after they started working with C# decided they
¤ couldn't stand VB.NET.
¤
¤ C# is just an elegant language, and it's easy to write clean code
¤ with.
¤

Not sure what makes it elegant. Certainly not the braces or other syntactical anomalies such as
semi-colons, case sensitivity, missing mnemonic keywords, goofy looking operators, etc. etc.

There's nothing specific to C# that enables you to write clean code.


Paul ~~~ pclement@ameritech.net
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)

re: Language choice.. Need some assistance.

On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 15:36:06 -0600, "Andrew Faust" <afaust@aradymeDOTcom> wrote:

¤
¤ "Aaron Smith" <thespirit-1-@smithcentral.net> wrote in message
¤ news:H3LXc.7884$FV3.6779@newssvr17.news.prodigy.co m...
¤ > Our company is trying to decide to go .Net or not and which
¤ > language to use if we do. I have been doing a lot of research
¤ > on .Net and VB.Net. I used to be a VB 6 developer till I
¤ > started to work here, so all along I have been promoting VB.
¤
¤ Don't assume that your skills in VB6 will translate in to skills
¤ in VB.NET. Other than the name
¤ and some of the control structures, there are absolutely no
¤ similarities.

You sound like a disgruntled "Classic VB" developer. ;-)

While there are differences, partly due to the language being .NETitified, to state that there are
no similarities is spreading disinformation.

¤
¤ I'd say go with C#. I know serveral experienced VB6 programmers
¤ who started with
¤ VB.NET first, and after they started working with C# decided they
¤ couldn't stand VB.NET.
¤
¤ C# is just an elegant language, and it's easy to write clean code
¤ with.
¤

Not sure what makes it elegant. Certainly not the braces or other syntactical anomalies such as
semi-colons, case sensitivity, missing mnemonic keywords, goofy looking operators, etc. etc.

There's nothing specific to C# that enables you to write clean code.


Paul ~~~ pclement@ameritech.net
Microsoft MVP (Visual Basic)