IE box model problem

Hi,

I've not had many problems with differences between the IE and Firefox
interpretation of the box-model before, but my current site seems to
have the symptoms of being affected by it!

http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~ccw34/index_ff.html

Although I understand how it comes about, I don't fully understand a
couple of the hacks I've read to counter it. I've also read that the
problem was fixed from IE6.0 (although dependent on the Doctype [1]),
but changing the Doctype doesn't seem to make any difference on this
site in IE7.

If anyone can offer any clues in how to fix the problem, I'd be most
grateful.

Thanks,
Chris

1. http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamat...t-boxmodel.htm

re: IE box model problem

ChrisW wrote:What problem do you think you have?

I see no significant difference between IE6, IE7 and Firefox/Seamonkey.
What I *do* see in all browsers is a huge amount of horizontal
scrolling, with nothing but empty space over on the right. This is
caused by the width:100% on div.hideInfo. You should dump that.

The heading may not be positioned correctly, either, though that could
be because the design does not adapt to my large default text size.
Can't say for sure because I don't know how you expect it to look.

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Berg

re: IE box model problem

On 9 Nov, 21:56, Bergamot <berga...@visi.comwrote:I knew about the scrolling - I wanted to fix the main problem first!
It's interesting they all look the same to you! I've got screenshots
for Firefox 3 and IE 7:

http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~ccw34/ff.jpg
http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~ccw34/ie.jpg

Thanks,
Chris

re: IE box model problem

In article
<9256a701-bbe0-4863-83a2-1a8c48fa0655@u18g2000pro.googlegroups.com>,
ChrisW <c.c.wood@gmail.comwrote:
Bergamot seems to me to be essentially right. In FF, if you enlarge the
text size in your browser (Command +, on a Mac, probably Control + on
Windows), you will see a gap like in ie.jpg.

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dorayme

re: IE box model problem

On 10 Nov, 00:11, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.auwrote:If I enlarge the text, I get

http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~ccw34/ff_large.jpg

- however large I make the text, I don't get any overlap of the
basicInfoDiv with the h1, like I do in IE.

re: IE box model problem

ChrisW wrote:FYI, that is not text zoom. It's page zoom, which is an entirely
different thing. Go into the Firefox prefs and change the default text
size to something larger. My default is 20px, with a minimum of 17px.

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Berg

re: IE box model problem

In article
<f30ae5b4-db11-4e4f-9e24-62d7b46c1ae2@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
ChrisW <c.c.wood@gmail.comwrote:
....Anyway, perhaps start over with simple HTML:

<h1>Home Page / welcome</h1>
<div>
<p>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do
eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua.</p>

<p>Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris
nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
pariatur.</p>

<p>Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui
officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.</p>
</div>

ie. removing your <br>s and all the javascript, and complicated CSS
(positioning). And build from here, validating all the way as a check
for yourself.

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dorayme

re: IE box model problem

On 10 Nov, 19:29, Bergamot <berga...@visi.comwrote:Apologies - I wasn't aware of the difference.

re: IE box model problem

On 10 Nov, 21:29, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.auwrote:That's where I started from (and where I start all my websites from,
ever since I taught myself xHTML and CSS (+ PHP / MySQL / XML...)
about 6 years ago). I've never had to build this precise kind of
layout tho, and was hoping someone might just have a quick tip on
something that I hadn't thought of about things I could change in the
CSS. I'm not looking for someone to give me the complete answer, but
I might have been a bit narrow minded and not realised of another way
of doing something.

re: IE box model problem

In article
<7376230b-bb33-4a68-ae5e-1dff53522d0b@1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
ChrisW <c.c.wood@gmail.comwrote:
....OK, things start simple and later get complicated and problems come up.
But the point I had in mind is that you must be especially careful along
the way from making poor decisions as you build. Why would you insert
double breaks, to take a trivial case that likely has nothing to do with
your immediate concern, in a paragraph instead of simply making more
paragraphs? I was puzzled by why you felt you had to wrap the HI in a
div?

The real point is that if you start and proceed in the *simplest* way,
your immediate concern would be unlikely to arise at all.

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dorayme

re: IE box model problem

On 10 Nov, 23:38, dorayme <doraymeRidT...@optusnet.com.auwrote:Maybe I should layout my reasoning behind what I've done:

The <h1is for the text, and has a grey border bottom
The <h1container is only there to provide the short, horizontal
length of blue border (under the word 'Hello')
The basicInfoBox contains the text
The border is needed because of the way JQuery creates curved edges
(this effect wouldn't be possible without the extra div) - the h1
overlaps this using z-indexes, to prevent the top border from being
seen

(All of the other divs in the CSS are to do with the menu, and can be
ignored)

I did think that having a div wrapped around the h1 just for the small
horizontal blue line was a bit over the top, but as I said, I couldn't
think of any other way to do it. I did think this may have been part
of my problem, which is why I asked here.

Thanks,
Chris

re: IE box model problem

In article
<1b8db571-5447-4a91-b571-e15616984956@q30g2000prq.googlegroups.com>,
ChrisW <c.c.wood@gmail.comwrote:
....
<http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~ccw34/index_ff.html>

Perhaps you mean under the word "Home"?

All questions about curved this or that need to go to out resident expet
on curvature and especially corner-curvature, Nick Coughlin. I don't do
curves, I am a straight up and down with the occasional diagonal sort of
being. I like circles a lot but I use Illustrator for them. <g>

You can get an extra blue lie under one of the words by
<span>word</spanand playing with CSS like

border-bottom: 6px solid #99c;

I will tell you the truth: I really have no firm idea of what look you
actually want. You have provided screenshots that no one would want the
look of but have not provided the actual ideal you want. Draw a pic.

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dorayme

re: IE box model problem

"dorayme" <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.auwrote in message
news:doraymeRidThis-5CA6ED.12095111112008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au...*ding*

Did someone page me? What's going on here then?

re: IE box model problem

In article <gfaomn$qct$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"Nik Coughlin" <nrkn.com@gmail.comwrote:
I think a rounded corner box, among other things and issues, is being
attempted at:

http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~ccw34/index_ff.html

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dorayme

re: IE box model problem

"dorayme" <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.auwrote in message
news:doraymeRidThis-99D707.13175211112008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au...Oh I see.

Using the OP's jq.corners (don't like them personally, no antialiasing and
using the parent + padding to provide a border is nasty):
http://nrkn.com/temp/roundyround/jq.corner.html

Using CSS3:
http://nrkn.com/temp/roundyround/index.html

Using images:
http://nrkn.com/temp/roundyround/images.html

The last breaks in IE6 or lower. It can be fixed and I have done so in the
past but I can't be bothered determining what bug it is, sorry, but Google
will help you here.

re: IE box model problem

On 11 Nov, 04:31, "Nik Coughlin" <nrkn....@gmail.comwrote:Excellent, thanks very much - that's exactly what I wanted! :) thanks
for the advice about padding.

I'm not sure I like JQuery either, but I didn't particularly want to
create images - I wasn't aware that you could do the effect in CSS3.

re: IE box model problem

"ChrisW" <c.c.wood@gmail.comwrote in messageRemember that by using CSS3 you're leaving IE out in the cold (though it
does degrade gracefully). Opera too at the moment, they've been talking
about rounded corners for a while now but still no sign. Also, since 9.23
they've been introducing rendering errors and not fixing them :| some stuff
with nesting position: absolute/relative is very broken. Pity, at one point
the rendering in Opera was second to none.

As for jQuery, I love it! Just not so fond of that rounded corner plugin.
There
are much nicer ways to do rounded corners without using images for browsers
that don't support border-radius than how that plugin does it. Also, a lot
of
those rounded corner tricks seem to ignore borders or have some flaky way of
doing it.

Given my fondness for jQuery, I may just have to roll one myself... I'm so
busy though, I doubt I'll find time :|

re: IE box model problem

"Nik Coughlin" <nrkn.com@gmail.comwrote in message
news:gfcrls$net$1@registered.motzarella.org...This looks good (haven't tried it though):
http://www.curvycorners.net/

re: IE box model problem

In article <gfcrp8$o5j$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"Nik Coughlin" <nrkn.com@gmail.comwrote:
Instead of their demo.html, perhaps this might be better (you never know
what bad practices their code will encourage!):

<http://dorayme.890m.com/alt/curvyCorners.html>

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dorayme

re: IE box model problem

On 11 Nov, 20:59, "Nik Coughlin" <nrkn....@gmail.comwrote:Thanks for this info - it's very interesting :)

re: IE box model problem

Nik Coughlin schreef:
Or this one:

http://www.alistapart.com/articles/mountaintop/