C or C++ as a second language?

Hi. Should I jump right into C++, or is it better to learn C first?
I'm not a total beginner; I know Javascript, but I obviously would like
to learn a more powerful language.

Thanks,

TP

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Tony Polson wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Hi. Should I jump right into C++, or is it better to learn C first?
> I'm not a total beginner; I know Javascript, but I obviously would like
> to learn a more powerful language.[/color]

Note to newbies (and the unobservant!):

Please note that the above is just flame bait. The followups in the
original message demonstrate this. No point replying to his nonsense.

re: C or C++ as a second language?

infobahn wrote:
[color=blue]
> Please note that the above is just flame bait. The followups in the
> original message demonstrate this. No point replying to his nonsense.[/color]

What origininal message?

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Noah Roberts wrote:[color=blue]
>
> infobahn wrote:
>[color=green]
> > Please note that the above is just flame bait. The followups in the
> > original message demonstrate this. No point replying to his nonsense.[/color]
>
> What origininal message?[/color]

Oh, okay, you obviously have better filters than me. Sorry for the
noise.

re: C or C++ as a second language?

"infobahn" <infobahn@btinternet.com> wrote...[color=blue]
> Noah Roberts wrote:[color=green]
>>
>> infobahn wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>> > Please note that the above is just flame bait. The followups in the
>> > original message demonstrate this. No point replying to his nonsense.[/color]
>>
>> What origininal message?[/color]
>
> Oh, okay, you obviously have better filters than me. Sorry for the
> noise.[/color]

It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
in the same thread. They make it seem that you started another thread.
Just FYI...

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Victor Bazarov wrote:
[color=blue]
> It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
> the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
> in the same thread. They make it seem that you started another thread.
> Just FYI...[/color]

Hmm...nope. Original post not here. Maybe it hasn't arrived yet. Or
maybe Tony is a well known troll and has gotten himself deleted from
newsservers.

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Victor Bazarov wrote:[color=blue]
> "infobahn" <infobahn@btinternet.com> wrote...[color=green]
>> Noah Roberts wrote:[color=darkred]
>>> infobahn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please note that the above is just flame bait. The followups in the
>>>> original message demonstrate this. No point replying to his nonsense.
>>>
>>> What origininal message?[/color]
>>
>> Oh, okay, you obviously have better filters than me. Sorry for the
>> noise.[/color]
>
> It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
> the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
> in the same thread. They make it seem that you started another thread.
> Just FYI...[/color]

I didn't realize OE was that bad. So it is too stupid to follow
the references chain?

--
"If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use
the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on
"show options" at the top of the article, then click on the
"Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson

re: C or C++ as a second language?

"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:420E6A9F.AE28C0C2@yahoo.com...[color=blue]
> Victor Bazarov wrote:[color=green]
>> "infobahn" <infobahn@btinternet.com> wrote...[color=darkred]
>>> Noah Roberts wrote:
>>>> infobahn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please note that the above is just flame bait. The followups in the
>>>>> original message demonstrate this. No point replying to his nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> What origininal message?
>>>
>>> Oh, okay, you obviously have better filters than me. Sorry for the
>>> noise.[/color]
>>
>> It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
>> the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
>> in the same thread. They make it seem that you started another thread.
>> Just FYI...[/color]
>
> I didn't realize OE was that bad. So it is too stupid to follow
> the references chain?
>
> --
> "If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use
> the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on
> "show options" at the top of the article, then click on the
> "Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson
>[/color]
No, works just fine.

re: C or C++ as a second language?

In article <420E6A9F.AE28C0C2@yahoo.com>,
CBFalconer <cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net> wrote:[color=blue]
>Victor Bazarov wrote:[color=green]
>> "infobahn" <infobahn@btinternet.com> wrote...[color=darkred]
>>> Noah Roberts wrote:
>>>> infobahn wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Please note that the above is just flame bait. The followups in the
>>>>> original message demonstrate this. No point replying to his nonsense.
>>>>
>>>> What origininal message?
>>>
>>> Oh, okay, you obviously have better filters than me. Sorry for the
>>> noise.[/color]
>>
>> It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
>> the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
>> in the same thread. They make it seem that you started another thread.
>> Just FYI...[/color]
>
>I didn't realize OE was that bad. So it is too stupid to follow
>the references chain?[/color]

The problem is that between people accessing Usenet via "Google" and via
various MS products, very few people actually use newsreaders anymore.

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Va negvpyr <phygxv$uft$1@lva.vagrenpprff.pbz>, tnmryyr@lva.vagrenpprff.pbz
fnlf...[color=blue]
> Va negvpyr <420R6N9S.NR28P0P2@lnubb.pbz>,
> POSnypbare <posnypbare@jbeyqarg.ngg.arg> jebgr:[color=green]
> >Ivpgbe Onmnebi jebgr:[color=darkred]
> >> "vasbonua" <vasbonua@ogvagrearg.pbz> jebgr...
> >>> Abnu Eboregf jebgr:
> >>>> vasbonua jebgr:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Cyrnfr abgr gung gur nobir vf whfg synzr onvg. Gur sbyybjhcf va gur
> >>>>> bevtvany zrffntr qrzbafgengr guvf. Ab cbvag ercylvat gb uvf abafrafr.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jung bevtvavany zrffntr?
> >>>
> >>> Bu, bxnl, lbh boivbhfyl unir orggre svygref guna zr. Fbeel sbe gur
> >>> abvfr.
> >>
> >> Vg unf abguvat gb qb jvgu svygref. Lbh punatrq gur Fhowrpg urnqre bs
> >> gur zrffntr, naq fbzr arjfernqref, yvxr Bhgybbx Rkcerff, qb abg chg vg
> >> va gur fnzr guernq. Gurl znxr vg frrz gung lbh fgnegrq nabgure guernq.
> >> Whfg SLV...[/color]
> >
> >V qvqa'g ernyvmr BR jnf gung onq. Fb vg vf gbb fghcvq gb sbyybj
> >gur ersreraprf punva?[/color]
>
> Gur ceboyrz vf gung orgjrra crbcyr npprffvat Hfrarg ivn "Tbbtyr" naq ivn
> inevbhf ZF cebqhpgf, irel srj crbcyr npghnyyl hfr arjfernqref nalzber.[/color]

Znlor vs gubfr bs hf gung qb hfr arjfernqref nyy vafvfgrq ba *bayl* cbfgvat
va EBG13, vg jbhyq eha nyy gur bguref bss nsgre n juvyr, nf gurl tbg gverq bs
frrvat nyy gur "yvar abvfr", gura jr pbhyq or onpx gb Hfrarg bs 10 lrnef ntb.



--
Enaql Ubjneq (2ercyl erzbir SBBONE)
"Znxvat vg uneq gb qb fghcvq guvatf bsgra znxrf vg uneq
gb qb fzneg barf gbb." -- Naqerj Xbravt

re: C or C++ as a second language?

"Tony Polson" <tony.polson@uku.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1108227892.056641.271020@f14g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...[color=blue]
> Hi. Should I jump right into C++, or is it better to learn C first?
> I'm not a total beginner; I know Javascript, but I obviously would like
> to learn a more powerful language.[/color]

Hmm, this smells like a troll.

Note the followups set by the OP:
rec.photo.digital,rec.photo.equipment.35mm

-Mike

re: C or C++ as a second language?

In article <MPG.1c7865bff097ea23989fda@news.verizon.net>,
Randy Howard <randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote:[color=blue]
>Va negvpyr <phygxv$uft$1@lva.vagrenpprff.pbz>, tnmryyr@lva.vagrenpprff.pbz
>fnlf...[color=green]
>> Va negvpyr <420R6N9S.NR28P0P2@lnubb.pbz>,
>> POSnypbare <posnypbare@jbeyqarg.ngg.arg> jebgr:[color=darkred]
>> >Ivpgbe Onmnebi jebgr:
>> >> "vasbonua" <vasbonua@ogvagrearg.pbz> jebgr...
>> >>> Abnu Eboregf jebgr:
>> >>>> vasbonua jebgr:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Cyrnfr abgr gung gur nobir vf whfg synzr onvg. Gur sbyybjhcf va gur
>> >>>>> bevtvany zrffntr qrzbafgengr guvf. Ab cbvag ercylvat gb uvf abafrafr.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jung bevtvavany zrffntr?
>> >>>
>> >>> Bu, bxnl, lbh boivbhfyl unir orggre svygref guna zr. Fbeel sbe gur
>> >>> abvfr.
>> >>
>> >> Vg unf abguvat gb qb jvgu svygref. Lbh punatrq gur Fhowrpg urnqre bs
>> >> gur zrffntr, naq fbzr arjfernqref, yvxr Bhgybbx Rkcerff, qb abg chg vg
>> >> va gur fnzr guernq. Gurl znxr vg frrz gung lbh fgnegrq nabgure guernq.
>> >> Whfg SLV...
>> >
>> >V qvqa'g ernyvmr BR jnf gung onq. Fb vg vf gbb fghcvq gb sbyybj
>> >gur ersreraprf punva?[/color]
>>
>> Gur ceboyrz vf gung orgjrra crbcyr npprffvat Hfrarg ivn "Tbbtyr" naq ivn
>> inevbhf ZF cebqhpgf, irel srj crbcyr npghnyyl hfr arjfernqref nalzber.[/color]
>
>Znlor vs gubfr bs hf gung qb hfr arjfernqref nyy vafvfgrq ba *bayl* cbfgvat
>va EBG13, vg jbhyq eha nyy gur bguref bss nsgre n juvyr, nf gurl tbg gverq bs
>frrvat nyy gur "yvar abvfr", gura jr pbhyq or onpx gb Hfrarg bs 10 lrnef ntb.[/color]

Jbexf sbe zr!
[color=blue]
>--
>Enaql Ubjneq (2ercyl erzbir SBBONE)
>"Znxvat vg uneq gb qb fghcvq guvatf bsgra znxrf vg uneq
> gb qb fzneg barf gbb." -- Naqerj Xbravt[/color]

re: C or C++ as a second language?

In comp.lang.c Kenny McCormack <gazelle@yin.interaccess.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> In article <MPG.1c7865bff097ea23989fda@news.verizon.net>,
> Randy Howard <randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote:[color=green]
>>Va negvpyr <phygxv$uft$1@lva.vagrenpprff.pbz>, tnmryyr@lva.vagrenpprff.pbz
>>fnlf...[color=darkred]
>>> Va negvpyr <420R6N9S.NR28P0P2@lnubb.pbz>,
>>> POSnypbare <posnypbare@jbeyqarg.ngg.arg> jebgr:
>>> >Ivpgbe Onmnebi jebgr:
>>> >> "vasbonua" <vasbonua@ogvagrearg.pbz> jebgr...
>>> >>> Abnu Eboregf jebgr:
>>> >>>> vasbonua jebgr:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> Cyrnfr abgr gung gur nobir vf whfg synzr onvg. Gur sbyybjhcf va gur
>>> >>>>> bevtvany zrffntr qrzbafgengr guvf. Ab cbvag ercylvat gb uvf abafrafr.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Jung bevtvavany zrffntr?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Bu, bxnl, lbh boivbhfyl unir orggre svygref guna zr. Fbeel sbe gur
>>> >>> abvfr.
>>> >>
>>> >> Vg unf abguvat gb qb jvgu svygref. Lbh punatrq gur Fhowrpg urnqre bs
>>> >> gur zrffntr, naq fbzr arjfernqref, yvxr Bhgybbx Rkcerff, qb abg chg vg
>>> >> va gur fnzr guernq. Gurl znxr vg frrz gung lbh fgnegrq nabgure guernq.
>>> >> Whfg SLV...
>>> >
>>> >V qvqa'g ernyvmr BR jnf gung onq. Fb vg vf gbb fghcvq gb sbyybj
>>> >gur ersreraprf punva?
>>>
>>> Gur ceboyrz vf gung orgjrra crbcyr npprffvat Hfrarg ivn "Tbbtyr" naq ivn
>>> inevbhf ZF cebqhpgf, irel srj crbcyr npghnyyl hfr arjfernqref nalzber.[/color]
>>
>>Znlor vs gubfr bs hf gung qb hfr arjfernqref nyy vafvfgrq ba *bayl* cbfgvat
>>va EBG13, vg jbhyq eha nyy gur bguref bss nsgre n juvyr, nf gurl tbg gverq bs
>>frrvat nyy gur "yvar abvfr", gura jr pbhyq or onpx gb Hfrarg bs 10 lrnef ntb.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Jbexf sbe zr![/color]

Zr gbb;-)

--
\ Wraf Gubzf Gbreevat ___ Wraf.Gbreevat@culfvx.sh-oreyva.qr
\__________________________ uggc://jjj.gbreevat.qr

re: C or C++ as a second language?

"Randy Howard" <randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1c7865bff097ea23989fda@news.verizon.net.. .[color=blue][color=green]
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I didn't realize OE was that bad. So it is too stupid to follow
>>> the references chain?[/color]
>>
>> The problem is that between people accessing Usenet via "Google"
>> and via various MS products, very few people actually use
>> newsreaders anymore.[/color]
>
> Maybe if those of us that do use newsreaders all insisted on *only*
> posting in ROT13, it would run all the others off after a while, as
> they got tired of seeing all the "line noise", then we could be
> back to Usenet of 10 years ago.[/color]

OE has ROT13 decoding, and also correctly handles threading of posts with
renamed subjects.

Ironically, Mozilla Thunderbird, my normal reader, doesn't.

Gregg

re: C or C++ as a second language?

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:13:40 GMT, Randy Howard
<randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Va negvpyr <phygxv$uft$1@lva.vagrenpprff.pbz>, tnmryyr@lva.vagrenpprff.pbz
> fnlf...[color=green]
>> Va negvpyr <420R6N9S.NR28P0P2@lnubb.pbz>,
>> POSnypbare <posnypbare@jbeyqarg.ngg.arg> jebgr:[color=darkred]
>> >Ivpgbe Onmnebi jebgr:
>> >> "vasbonua" <vasbonua@ogvagrearg.pbz> jebgr...
>> >>> Abnu Eboregf jebgr:
>> >>>> vasbonua jebgr:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Cyrnfr abgr gung gur nobir vf whfg synzr onvg. Gur sbyybjhcf va gur
>> >>>>> bevtvany zrffntr qrzbafgengr guvf. Ab cbvag ercylvat gb uvf abafrafr.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jung bevtvavany zrffntr?
>> >>>
>> >>> Bu, bxnl, lbh boivbhfyl unir orggre svygref guna zr. Fbeel sbe gur
>> >>> abvfr.
>> >>
>> >> Vg unf abguvat gb qb jvgu svygref. Lbh punatrq gur Fhowrpg urnqre bs
>> >> gur zrffntr, naq fbzr arjfernqref, yvxr Bhgybbx Rkcerff, qb abg chg vg
>> >> va gur fnzr guernq. Gurl znxr vg frrz gung lbh fgnegrq nabgure guernq.
>> >> Whfg SLV...
>> >
>> >V qvqa'g ernyvmr BR jnf gung onq. Fb vg vf gbb fghcvq gb sbyybj
>> >gur ersreraprf punva?[/color]
>>
>> Gur ceboyrz vf gung orgjrra crbcyr npprffvat Hfrarg ivn "Tbbtyr" naq ivn
>> inevbhf ZF cebqhpgf, irel srj crbcyr npghnyyl hfr arjfernqref nalzber.[/color]
>
> Znlor vs gubfr bs hf gung qb hfr arjfernqref nyy vafvfgrq ba *bayl* cbfgvat
> va EBG13, vg jbhyq eha nyy gur bguref bss nsgre n juvyr, nf gurl tbg gverq bs
> frrvat nyy gur "yvar abvfr", gura jr pbhyq or onpx gb Hfrarg bs 10 lrnef ntb.[/color]

Be jr pbhyq nyy hfr obsuarg naq tb onpx gb bayl hfvat freiref eha ol
crbcyr jr gehfg jub bayl npprcg hfref gurl gehfg...

Puevf P

re: C or C++ as a second language?

gb wrote:[color=blue]
> "Randy Howard" <randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1c7865bff097ea23989fda@news.verizon.net.. .
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>I didn't realize OE was that bad. So it is too stupid to follow
>>>>the references chain?
>>>
>>>The problem is that between people accessing Usenet via "Google"
>>>and via various MS products, very few people actually use
>>>newsreaders anymore.[/color]
>>
>>Maybe if those of us that do use newsreaders all insisted on *only*
>>posting in ROT13, it would run all the others off after a while, as
>>they got tired of seeing all the "line noise", then we could be
>>back to Usenet of 10 years ago.[/color]
>
>
> OE has ROT13 decoding, and also correctly handles threading of posts with
> renamed subjects.
>
> Ironically, Mozilla Thunderbird, my normal reader, doesn't.
>
> Gregg
>
>[/color]

I use Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Debian version) and it correctly
associated his message to the right topic.

--
Regards,
Matthias

re: C or C++ as a second language?

gb wrote:[color=blue]
> "Randy Howard" <randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote in message
>[/color]
.... snip ...[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> Maybe if those of us that do use newsreaders all insisted on
>> *only* posting in ROT13, it would run all the others off after
>> a while, as they got tired of seeing all the "line noise", then
>> we could be back to Usenet of 10 years ago.[/color]
>
> OE has ROT13 decoding, and also correctly handles threading of
> posts with renamed subjects.
>
> Ironically, Mozilla Thunderbird, my normal reader, doesn't.[/color]

Netscape 4.75 does. Very awkward to generate it though.

--
"If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use
the broken "Reply" link at the bottom of the article. Click on
"show options" at the top of the article, then click on the
"Reply" at the bottom of the article headers." - Keith Thompson

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Va negvpyr <j%OCq.49941$O95.44800@ynxrernq02>, to@vainyvq.vainyvq
fnlf...[color=blue]
> "Enaql Ubjneq" <enaqlubjneq@SBBirevmbaONE.arg> jebgr va zrffntr
> arjf:ZCT.1p7865oss097rn23989sqn@arjf.irevmba.arg.. .[color=green][color=darkred]
> >>
> >>> V qvqa'g ernyvmr BR jnf gung onq. Fb vg vf gbb fghcvq gb sbyybj
> >>> gur ersreraprf punva?
> >>
> >> Gur ceboyrz vf gung orgjrra crbcyr npprffvat Hfrarg ivn "Tbbtyr"
> >> naq ivn inevbhf ZF cebqhpgf, irel srj crbcyr npghnyyl hfr
> >> arjfernqref nalzber.[/color]
> >
> > Znlor vs gubfr bs hf gung qb hfr arjfernqref nyy vafvfgrq ba *bayl*
> > cbfgvat va EBG13, vg jbhyq eha nyy gur bguref bss nsgre n juvyr, nf
> > gurl tbg gverq bs frrvat nyy gur "yvar abvfr", gura jr pbhyq or
> > onpx gb Hfrarg bs 10 lrnef ntb.[/color]
>
> BR unf EBG13 qrpbqvat, naq nyfb pbeerpgyl unaqyrf guernqvat bs cbfgf jvgu
> eranzrq fhowrpgf.[/color]

Ubj znal VR hfref jbhyq rira xabj jung jung EBG13 vf jura gurl frr
vg?
[color=blue]
> Vebavpnyyl, Zbmvyyn Guhaqreoveq, zl abezny ernqre, qbrfa'g.[/color]

Guhaqreoveq vf n terng rznvy ercynprzrag sbe Bhgybbx be BR. Vg vfa'g
fhpu n terng arjfernqre.

--
Enaql Ubjneq (2ercyl erzbir SBBONE)
"Znxvat vg uneq gb qb fghcvq guvatf bsgra znxrf vg uneq
gb qb fzneg barf gbb." -- Naqerj Xbravt

re: C or C++ as a second language?

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:33:57 GMT, Randy Howard
<randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Ubj znal VR hfref jbhyq rira xabj jung jung EBG13 vf jura gurl frr
> vg?[/color]

Zber guna erpbtavfr Jryfu jura gurl frr gung (vg'f shaal jngpuvat gurz
hfr EBG13 naq svaq gung vg /fgvyy/ qbrfa'g znxr frafr!).
[color=blue]
> Guhaqreoveq vf n terng rznvy ercynprzrag sbe Bhgybbx be BR. Vg vfa'g
> fhpu n terng arjfernqre.[/color]

Vf vg fhccbfrq gb or? V gubhtug gung gurl fcyvg bss gur arjfernqre
cneg.

(V hfr zhgg naq fyea, obgu grkg-bayl naq obgu pbzcyrgryl fnsr sebz
nggnpurq yvaxf naq UGZY -- nygubhtu V hfr na rkgreany pbzznaq gb perngr
EBG13 zrffntrf sebz ivz, obgu pna qrpbqr gurz...)

Puevf P

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Va negvpyr <fyeaq0ing0.1wn.puevf@ppfreire.xrevf.arg>,
puevf@xrevfgbe.arg fnlf...[color=blue]
> (I use mutt and slrn, both text-only and both completely safe from
> attached links and HTML -- although I use an external command to create
> ROT13 messages from vim, both can decode them...)
>
> Chris C
>[/color]

Zl arjfernqre nyybjf zr gb whfg glcr guvf nyy va va cynva grkg, gura
uvg bcgvbaf, ebg13, fraq.

--
Enaql Ubjneq (2ercyl erzbir SBBONE)
"Znxvat vg uneq gb qb fghcvq guvatf bsgra znxrf vg uneq
gb qb fzneg barf gbb." -- Naqerj Xbravt

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Matthias wrote:[color=blue]
> gb wrote:
>[color=green]
>> "Randy Howard" <randyhoward@FOOverizonBAR.net> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1c7865bff097ea23989fda@news.verizon.net.. .
>>[color=darkred]
>>>>> I didn't realize OE was that bad. So it is too stupid to follow
>>>>> the references chain?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that between people accessing Usenet via "Google"
>>>> and via various MS products, very few people actually use
>>>> newsreaders anymore.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe if those of us that do use newsreaders all insisted on *only*
>>> posting in ROT13, it would run all the others off after a while, as
>>> they got tired of seeing all the "line noise", then we could be
>>> back to Usenet of 10 years ago.[/color]
>>
>>
>>
>> OE has ROT13 decoding, and also correctly handles threading of posts
>> with renamed subjects.
>>
>> Ironically, Mozilla Thunderbird, my normal reader, doesn't.
>>
>> Gregg
>>
>>[/color]
>
> I use Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Debian version) and it correctly
> associated his message to the right topic.
>[/color]

Sorry, I meant handling rot13. I added the bit about threading after I
wrote about rot13.

Gregg

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Va negvpyr <420SOPN2.9050609@vainyvq.vainyvq>, to@vainyvq.vainyvq
fnlf...[color=blue]
> Zngguvnf jebgr:[color=green]
> > to jebgr:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> "Enaql Ubjneq" <enaqlubjneq@SBBirevmbaONE.arg> jebgr va zrffntr
> >> arjf:ZCT.1p7865oss097rn23989sqn@arjf.irevmba.arg.. .
> >>
> >>>>> V qvqa'g ernyvmr BR jnf gung onq. Fb vg vf gbb fghcvq gb sbyybj
> >>>>> gur ersreraprf punva?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Gur ceboyrz vf gung orgjrra crbcyr npprffvat Hfrarg ivn "Tbbtyr"
> >>>> naq ivn inevbhf ZF cebqhpgf, irel srj crbcyr npghnyyl hfr
> >>>> arjfernqref nalzber.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Znlor vs gubfr bs hf gung qb hfr arjfernqref nyy vafvfgrq ba *bayl*
> >>> cbfgvat va EBG13, vg jbhyq eha nyy gur bguref bss nsgre n juvyr, nf
> >>> gurl tbg gverq bs frrvat nyy gur "yvar abvfr", gura jr pbhyq or
> >>> onpx gb Hfrarg bs 10 lrnef ntb.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> BR unf EBG13 qrpbqvat, naq nyfb pbeerpgyl unaqyrf guernqvat bs cbfgf
> >> jvgu eranzrq fhowrpgf.
> >>
> >> Vebavpnyyl, Zbmvyyn Guhaqreoveq, zl abezny ernqre, qbrfa'g.
> >>
> >> Tertt
> >>
> >>[/color]
> >
> > V hfr Zbmvyyn Guhaqreoveq 1.0 (Qrovna irefvba) naq vg pbeerpgyl
> > nffbpvngrq uvf zrffntr gb gur evtug gbcvp.
> >[/color]
>
> Fbeel, V zrnag unaqyvat ebg13. V nqqrq gur ovg nobhg guernqvat nsgre V
> jebgr nobhg ebg13.
>
> Tertt
>[/color]

Lbh qb ernyvmr gung cbfgvat jung jnf cerivbhfyl ebg13 rapbqrq va gur
pyrne qrsrngf gur jubyr checbfr, qba'g lbh?


--
Enaql Ubjneq (2ercyl erzbir SBBONE)
"Znxvat vg uneq gb qb fghcvq guvatf bsgra znxrf vg uneq
gb qb fzneg barf gbb." -- Naqerj Xbravt

re: C or C++ as a second language?

I don't understand why all this talk about OE. Plain truth is that the
OP never showed up on my newsserver. Obviously they have better filters
than yours and so you seem to think I must be using OE. Maybe if you
guys were as smart as you think you are you would look in the headers at
the User-Agent and see that I am not.

And for those that think they are so fucking cool and have us
stupidasses all outsmarted:

Gnyxvat penc nobhg crbcyr va pbqr vf sbe chffvrf naq ovgpurf.

If you guys don't like the rest of us then why are you here?

For those that don't know what they are doing:

tr [a-zA-Z] [n-za-mN-ZA-M]

'man tr' if you don't know what that does. I am sure there is a windows
equivelent command for Rot13 (en/de)coding but I don't know it.

To tell the truth though, none of it is worth decoding. Just a bunch of
elitist cowards in the middle of a big back biting circle jerk.

re: C or C++ as a second language?

"Victor Bazarov" <v.Abazarov@comAcast.net> wrote:
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> "infobahn" <infobahn@btinternet.com> wrote...[color=green]
> > Noah Roberts wrote:[color=darkred]
> >>
> >> What origininal message?[/color]
> >
> > Oh, okay, you obviously have better filters than me. Sorry for the
> > noise.[/color]
>
> It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
> the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
> in the same thread.[/color]

Then OE is not a newsreader. Film at eleven.

Richard

re: C or C++ as a second language?

"Richard Bos" <rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote in message
news:4210629c.238412776@news.individual.net...[color=blue]
> "Victor Bazarov" <v.Abazarov@comAcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > "infobahn" <infobahn@btinternet.com> wrote...[color=darkred]
> > > Noah Roberts wrote:
> > >>
> > >> What origininal message?
> > >
> > > Oh, okay, you obviously have better filters than me. Sorry for the
> > > noise.[/color]
> >
> > It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
> > the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
> > in the same thread.[/color]
>
> Then OE is not a newsreader. Film at eleven.[/color]

My OE (v6.0, 'out of the box') retains the threading, even
if the subject line is modified.

-Mike

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Mike Wahler wrote:[color=blue]
> "Richard Bos" <rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl> wrote in message
> news:4210629c.238412776@news.individual.net...[color=green]
> > "Victor Bazarov" <v.Abazarov@comAcast.net> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> > > "infobahn" <infobahn@btinternet.com> wrote...
> > > > Noah Roberts wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> What origininal message?
> > > >
> > > > Oh, okay, you obviously have better filters than me. Sorry for[/color][/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > noise.
> > >
> > > It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject[/color][/color][/color]
header of[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not[/color][/color][/color]
put it[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > in the same thread.[/color]
> >
> > Then OE is not a newsreader. Film at eleven.[/color]
>
> My OE (v6.0, 'out of the box') retains the threading, even
> if the subject line is modified.
>[/color]

What is really stupid about this whole thing is that I don't use OE. I
use mozilla at home, where the OP never arrived, and google at
work...where it did.

The troller probably thought they would start a flame about C vs. C++.
What is funny is that they started a flame war about a completely off
topic subject without even being off topic.

If all these rot13 bozos want to 'fix' usenet I think this thread shows
that the best way to do that is for them to just leave.

re: C or C++ as a second language?

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:35:16 GMT, in comp.lang.c ,
rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
[color=blue]
>"Victor Bazarov" <v.Abazarov@comAcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
>> the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
>> in the same thread.[/color]
>
>Then OE is not a newsreader.[/color]

Several other newsreaders also rely on the subject to thread properly,
Forte Agent amongst them. I suspect you can't claim that this isn't a
newsreader, no matter how rabidly anti-MS one might feel... :-)
[color=blue]
>Film at eleven.[/color]

Bandits at 12 o'clock, wingco, roger and out.
--
Mark McIntyre
CLC FAQ <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>
CLC readme: <http://www.ungerhu.com/jxh/clc.welcome.txt>

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re: C or C++ as a second language?

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:12:19 +0000, Mark McIntyre
<markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote:
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>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:35:16 GMT, in comp.lang.c ,
>rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
>[color=green]
>>"Victor Bazarov" <v.Abazarov@comAcast.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
>>> the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
>>> in the same thread.[/color]
>>
>>Then OE is not a newsreader.[/color]
>
>Several other newsreaders also rely on the subject to thread properly,
>Forte Agent amongst them. I suspect you can't claim that this isn't a
>newsreader, no matter how rabidly anti-MS one might feel... :-)
>[/color]
Agent gives you the choice. In General Options, go to Display->Message
List Pane->Start New Thread if Subject Changes and uncheck it.
[color=blue][color=green]
>>Film at eleven.[/color]
>
>Bandits at 12 o'clock, wingco, roger and out.[/color]

--
Al Balmer
Balmer Consulting
removebalmerconsultingthis@att.net

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Mark McIntyre <markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 08:35:16 GMT, in comp.lang.c ,
> rlb@hoekstra-uitgeverij.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:
>[color=green]
> >"Victor Bazarov" <v.Abazarov@comAcast.net> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
> >> the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
> >> in the same thread.[/color]
> >
> >Then OE is not a newsreader.[/color]
>
> Several other newsreaders also rely on the subject to thread properly,
> Forte Agent amongst them.[/color]

This is extremely unlikely to be true. I use Forte Free Agent, and it
threads perfectly using the References header. I would be flabbergasted
to hear that the commercial Forte Agent has been made a downgrade, by
taking this feature out.
(Hint: Opions -> Message List -> the various threading options.)

(I also note that the premise of that "Then", as claimed by Victor, is
not true, according to several others. The film that was planned for
eleven o'clock has been canceled.)

Richard

re: C or C++ as a second language?

"Noah Roberts" <nroberts@dontemailme.com> wrote in message
news:110vjk2k2gqmd94@corp.supernews.com...[color=blue]
>
> To tell the truth though, none of it is worth decoding. Just a bunch[/color]
of[color=blue]
> elitist cowards in the middle of a big back biting circle jerk.[/color]

Raise a Black Flag or call the Redd Kross!

--
Mabden

re: C or C++ as a second language?

On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:31:05 -0700, in comp.lang.c , Alan Balmer
<albalmer@att.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 23:12:19 +0000, Mark McIntyre
><markmcintyre@spamcop.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Several other newsreaders also rely on the subject to thread properly,
>>Forte Agent amongst them. I suspect you can't claim that this isn't a
>>newsreader, no matter how rabidly anti-MS one might feel... :-)
>>[/color]
>Agent gives you the choice. In General Options, go to Display->Message
>List Pane->Start New Thread if Subject Changes and uncheck it.[/color]

I'd always assumed that meant "if I change the subject, my next post will
be a new thread" rather than "if someone else changes the subject, assume
its a new thread"....

I'll find out...

--
Mark McIntyre
CLC FAQ <http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html>
CLC readme: <http://www.ungerhu.com/jxh/clc.welcome.txt>

re: C or C++ as a second language?

Mark McIntyre wrote:[color=blue]
>
> I'll find out...
>
> --
> Mark McIntyre[/color]

While we're on the topic of changing the topic..
The above comment appears, when you are reading via google, as:

| I'll find
|
| -- show quoted text --
|

After clicking on 'show quoted text', the following appears (with
everything below the hide-banner in blue):

| I'll find
|
| -- hide quoted text --
|
| out...
| --
| Mark McIntyre


How brain-dead is that?

re: C or C++ as a second language?

"CBFalconer" <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:420E6A9F.AE28C0C2@yahoo.com...[color=blue]
> Victor Bazarov wrote:[/color]
[snip][color=blue][color=green]
> > It has nothing to do with filters. You changed the Subject header of
> > the message, and some newsreaders, like Outlook Express, do not put it
> > in the same thread. They make it seem that you started another thread.[/color]
>
> I didn't realize OE was that bad. So it is too stupid to follow
> the references chain?[/color]

Since v5 of OE (at least), messages with *different* subjects that *are*
(according to the References header) parts of a single thread are displayed
as such. But messages with the *same* subjects that *aren't* parts of a
single thread are shown as if they were. This has both advantages and
disadvantages.

(I think "same" is a case-insensitive comparison, and probably ignores a
"Re:" prefix if present.)

Alex