New developer

Hello,


I am a Java/C#/Flash developer with experience witth WebSphere, WebSphere
Portal, DB2, J2SE, J2EE, IIS6 and several other technologies. I want to
pick up C or C++ to add another tool to the belt. I am concerned on which to
begin with, C or C++. I am familiar with the OO concepts from my Java
experience, and I came from a VB6 background as well so I have done
procedural development also.

Where should I start? Do I need to learn C or C++ since I already know C#
and Java. Seems to me that there are no real benfits for me to learn a C
language because I already have C# on the Win platform and Java for all
platofrms.

Help!!


TIA

-john

re: New developer

> I am a Java/C#/Flash developer with experience witth WebSphere, WebSphere[color=blue]
> Portal, DB2, J2SE, J2EE, IIS6 and several other technologies. I want to
> pick up C or C++ to add another tool to the belt. I am concerned on which to
> begin with, C or C++. I am familiar with the OO concepts from my Java
> experience, and I came from a VB6 background as well so I have done
> procedural development also.
>
> Where should I start? Do I need to learn C or C++ since I already know C#
> and Java. Seems to me that there are no real benfits for me to learn a C
> language because I already have C# on the Win platform and Java for all
> platofrms.[/color]

Personally, I would recommend you start with C (actually, I recommend
everybody start with Assembly but that's another story). If you're a
C#/Java programmer, you haven't worked with pointers yet. You can't
learn pointers overnight, either. Start from the ground and work your
way up. Besides, C is a great language and still very heavily used. In
addition, contrary to many peoples belief, C++ is not a "new and
improved" C. You will find learning C easy in some aspects because you
already know the other two languages.

Good luck,

Sean

re: New developer

John wrote:[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
>
> I am a Java/C#/Flash developer with experience witth WebSphere, WebSphere
> Portal, DB2, J2SE, J2EE, IIS6 and several other technologies. I want to
> pick up C or C++ to add another tool to the belt. I am concerned on which to
> begin with, C or C++. I am familiar with the OO concepts from my Java
> experience, and I came from a VB6 background as well so I have done
> procedural development also.
>
> Where should I start? Do I need to learn C or C++ since I already know C#
> and Java. Seems to me that there are no real benfits for me to learn a C
> language because I already have C# on the Win platform and Java for all
> platofrms.[/color]

You don't need to learn C first. Read _Accelerated C++_ by Koenig &
Moo. Good luck, and welcome!

re: New developer

"John" <jpapejr@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Z8Bjc.44295$Uz1.28186@bignews3.bellsouth.net. ..[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
>
> I am a Java/C#/Flash developer with experience witth WebSphere, WebSphere
> Portal, DB2, J2SE, J2EE, IIS6 and several other technologies. I want to
> pick up C or C++ to add another tool to the belt. I am concerned on which[/color]
to[color=blue]
> begin with, C or C++. I am familiar with the OO concepts from my Java
> experience, and I came from a VB6 background as well so I have done
> procedural development also.
>
> Where should I start? Do I need to learn C or C++ since I already know C#
> and Java. Seems to me that there are no real benfits for me to learn a C
> language because I already have C# on the Win platform and Java for all
> platofrms.
>
> Help!!
>[/color]

Well there you have it, two completely contradictory opinions. Neither is
definitive of course, but given your background I'd strongly recommend
Jeff's suggestion, read Accelerated C++.

But either way you are going to have to get your head round some unfamiliar
concepts, C++ and Java are very, very different, even though both claim to
be object oriented.

john

re: New developer

"Fao, Sean" <enceladus311@yahoo.comI-WANT-NO-SPAM> wrote in message news:<zKOdnSXYqZAAeRPd4p2dnA@adelphia.com>...[color=blue][color=green]
> > I am a Java/C#/Flash developer with experience witth WebSphere, WebSphere
> > Portal, DB2, J2SE, J2EE, IIS6 and several other technologies. I want to
> > pick up C or C++ to add another tool to the belt. I am concerned on which to
> > begin with, C or C++. I am familiar with the OO concepts from my Java
> > experience, and I came from a VB6 background as well so I have done
> > procedural development also.
> >
> > Where should I start? Do I need to learn C or C++ since I already know C#
> > and Java. Seems to me that there are no real benfits for me to learn a C
> > language because I already have C# on the Win platform and Java for all
> > platofrms.[/color]
>
> Personally, I would recommend you start with C (actually, I recommend
> everybody start with Assembly but that's another story). If you're a
> C#/Java programmer, you haven't worked with pointers yet. You can't
> learn pointers overnight, either. Start from the ground and work your
> way up. Besides, C is a great language and still very heavily used. In
> addition, contrary to many peoples belief, C++ is not a "new and
> improved" C. You will find learning C easy in some aspects because you
> already know the other two languages.
>[/color]

Considering the above was posted *only* to a C++ specific newsgroup, I
supposed it is what is refered to as a troll, but I'll bite anyway.

C++ is not better or worse than C per se, but I think it is a *much*
easier language to learn. The high-level facilities and type-safety
(relative to C anyway) generally make designing and writing workable
code much easier than the same in C. C is much lower level which
typically means you must keep your eye on the small details even when
writing code that is conceptually more abstract. That said, I expect
there are applications for which C is a better choice .. just none
that I am familiar with personally.

HTH, Dave Moore

re: New developer

John posted:
[color=blue]
> Hello,
>
>
> I am a Java/C#/Flash developer with experience witth WebSphere,
> WebSphere Portal, DB2, J2SE, J2EE, IIS6 and several other
> technologies. I want to pick up C or C++ to add another tool to the
> belt. I am concerned on which to begin with, C or C++. I am familiar
> with the OO concepts from my Java experience, and I came from a VB6
> background as well so I have done procedural development also.
>
> Where should I start? Do I need to learn C or C++ since I already know
> C# and Java. Seems to me that there are no real benfits for me to learn
> a C language because I already have C# on the Win platform and Java for
> all platofrms.
>
> Help!!
>
>
> TIA
>
> -john[/color]


I myself treat C++ as an independant language. I have no concern for C, it
is an extinct language in my opinion that has been supersceeded by C++.

People say that C is more "low-level". C++ is the C programming language
with extra stuff added. It keeps the syntax, it keeps the keywords, adds
more keywords, adds more functionality. For example, everything that can be
done in C++ can be done in C, but it's allot more tedious. Similarly, in
languages without polymorphism, you _can_ still use polymorphism, as
follows:

class Hjk
{
...
int (*Hello)(char*);
...
}


C++ just deals with the tedious pointers in the background so that you can
move on and produce some real code.


I challenge someone to produce a C program with better performance than a
C++ program. They should perform exactly the same. C is definitely not more
"low-level" than C++.

In my own opinion, learning C right now before learning C++ would be like
learning to drive a 1950s car before you hop into your new benz. What's the
point?!


-JKop

re: New developer

JKop wrote:
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> I myself treat C++ as an independant language. I have no concern for C, it
> is an extinct language in my opinion that has been supersceeded by C++.[/color]


Considering your lack of skill with C++, your opinion counts for little.



Brian Rodenborn

re: New developer

Default User posted:
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> JKop wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I myself treat C++ as an independant language. I have no concern for
>> C, it is an extinct language in my opinion that has been supersceeded
>> by C++.[/color]
>
>
> Considering your lack of skill with C++, your opinion counts for
> little.
>
>
>
> Brian Rodenborn[/color]


My lack of skill with C++?


Would you like to fabricate a few more stories there?