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Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?

Steven T. Hatton
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#1: Jul 22 '05
This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for everybody.
Different people think differently. I often stumble where others don't.
And I often stroll through what others find hard. I am wondering if people
who have read Lippman's _Inside the C++ Object Model_ believe it improved
their ability to write C++ code.

Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?
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John Harrison
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#2: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?



"Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote in message
news:8cqdnTAn8KDgVPLd4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...[color=blue]
> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for everybody.
> Different people think differently. I often stumble where others don't.
> And I often stroll through what others find hard. I am wondering if[/color]
people[color=blue]
> who have read Lippman's _Inside the C++ Object Model_ believe it improved
> their ability to write C++ code.[/color]

I haven't read the book, but I know for sure that as a former C programmer
it definitely helped me to translate C++ constructs into the equivalent C.
I'm thinking particularly of virtual functions and multiple inheritance. In
fact I would go as far as to say it was when I understood how these two are
implemented in C terms that the penny dropped and I really began to progress
in C++. I've gone past that phase now and I can 'think in C++' but it
definitely helped during the transition.

john


Claudio Puviani
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#3: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?


"Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote[color=blue]
> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for
> everybody. Different people think differently. I often
> stumble where others don't. And I often stroll through
> what others find hard. I am wondering if people who have read Lippman's[/color]
_Inside the C++ Object Model_ believe it improved[color=blue]
> their ability to write C++ code.
>
> Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?
> --
> p->m == (*p).m == p[0].m
> http://www.kdevelop.org
> http://www.suse.com
> http://www.mozilla.org[/color]


Claudio Puviani
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#4: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?


"Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote[color=blue]
> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for
> everybody. Different people think differently. I often
> stumble where others don't. And I often stroll through
> what others find hard. I am wondering if people who
> have read Lippman's _Inside the C++ Object Model_
> believe it improved their ability to write C++ code.[/color]

There would be something seriously wrong with anyone who acquired new
knowledge about C++ without synthesizing it into better programming
practices. I don't think anyone, regardless of the depth of their
experience, could walk away from "Inside the C++ Object Model" without at
least one new insight on C++, and that alone should be enough to improve
their coding.
[color=blue]
> Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?[/color]

That's subjective. I couldn't put it down, but I've given up on alleged
page-turners from Anne Rice and Stephen King after a couple of interminable
chapters.

Claudio Puviani


Claudio Puviani
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#5: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?


"Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote[color=blue]
> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for
> everybody. Different people think differently. I often
> stumble where others don't. And I often stroll through
> what others find hard. I am wondering if people who have read Lippman's[/color]
_Inside the C++ Object Model_ believe it improved[color=blue]
> their ability to write C++ code.
>
> Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?
> --
> p->m == (*p).m == p[0].m
> http://www.kdevelop.org
> http://www.suse.com
> http://www.mozilla.org[/color]


Claudio Puviani
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#6: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?


"Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote[color=blue]
> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for
> everybody. Different people think differently. I often
> stumble where others don't. And I often stroll through
> what others find hard. I am wondering if people who
> have read Lippman's _Inside the C++ Object Model_
> believe it improved their ability to write C++ code.[/color]

There would be something seriously wrong with anyone who acquired new
knowledge about C++ without synthesizing it into better programming
practices. I don't think anyone, regardless of the depth of their
experience, could walk away from "Inside the C++ Object Model" without at
least one new insight on C++, and that alone should be enough to improve
their coding.
[color=blue]
> Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?[/color]

That's subjective. I couldn't put it down, but I've given up on alleged
page-turners from Anne Rice and Stephen King after a couple of interminable
chapters.

Claudio Puviani


Steven T. Hatton
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#7: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?


Claudio Puviani wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote[color=green]
>> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for
>> everybody. Different people think differently. I often
>> stumble where others don't. And I often stroll through
>> what others find hard. I am wondering if people who
>> have read Lippman's _Inside the C++ Object Model_
>> believe it improved their ability to write C++ code.[/color]
>
> There would be something seriously wrong with anyone who acquired new
> knowledge about C++ without synthesizing it into better programming
> practices. I don't think anyone, regardless of the depth of their
> experience, could walk away from "Inside the C++ Object Model" without at
> least one new insight on C++, and that alone should be enough to improve
> their coding.
>[color=green]
>> Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?[/color]
>
> That's subjective. I couldn't put it down, but I've given up on alleged
> page-turners from Anne Rice and Stephen King after a couple of
> interminable chapters.
>
> Claudio Puviani[/color]
Lippman's books are frequently recommended by experienced programmers. My
criteria for choosing Stroustrup over Lippman were 1) Stroustrup created
the language, 2) Stroustrup had cooler epigraphs. Actually, I didn't like
the print format off the one book I looked at. It felt like a sophomore
textbook. Probably a style that appeals to a majority, but not to me. As
you can tell, I used discerning reason to select my learning materials.

I did some checking on who Lippman is. Quite an interesting bird, he. Does
a lot of stuff that appeals to me, such as the movie graphics. I broke my
word about Koening and Moo being my last C++ book for the foreseeable
future. I just ordered Lippman's _Object Model_, and _C++ Templates: The
Complete Guide_, by Vandevoorde and Josuttis.
--
p->m == (*p).m == p[0].m
http://www.kdevelop.org
http://www.suse.com
http://www.mozilla.org
Steven T. Hatton
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#8: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?


Claudio Puviani wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote[color=green]
>> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for
>> everybody. Different people think differently. I often
>> stumble where others don't. And I often stroll through
>> what others find hard. I am wondering if people who
>> have read Lippman's _Inside the C++ Object Model_
>> believe it improved their ability to write C++ code.[/color]
>
> There would be something seriously wrong with anyone who acquired new
> knowledge about C++ without synthesizing it into better programming
> practices. I don't think anyone, regardless of the depth of their
> experience, could walk away from "Inside the C++ Object Model" without at
> least one new insight on C++, and that alone should be enough to improve
> their coding.
>[color=green]
>> Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?[/color]
>
> That's subjective. I couldn't put it down, but I've given up on alleged
> page-turners from Anne Rice and Stephen King after a couple of
> interminable chapters.
>
> Claudio Puviani[/color]
Lippman's books are frequently recommended by experienced programmers. My
criteria for choosing Stroustrup over Lippman were 1) Stroustrup created
the language, 2) Stroustrup had cooler epigraphs. Actually, I didn't like
the print format off the one book I looked at. It felt like a sophomore
textbook. Probably a style that appeals to a majority, but not to me. As
you can tell, I used discerning reason to select my learning materials.

I did some checking on who Lippman is. Quite an interesting bird, he. Does
a lot of stuff that appeals to me, such as the movie graphics. I broke my
word about Koening and Moo being my last C++ book for the foreseeable
future. I just ordered Lippman's _Object Model_, and _C++ Templates: The
Complete Guide_, by Vandevoorde and Josuttis.
--
p->m == (*p).m == p[0].m
http://www.kdevelop.org
http://www.suse.com
http://www.mozilla.org
Claudio Puviani
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#9: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?


"Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote[color=blue]
> Claudio Puviani wrote:
>[color=green]
> > "Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote[color=darkred]
> >> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for
> >> everybody. Different people think differently. I often
> >> stumble where others don't. And I often stroll through
> >> what others find hard. I am wondering if people who
> >> have read Lippman's _Inside the C++ Object Model_
> >> believe it improved their ability to write C++ code.[/color]
> >
> > There would be something seriously wrong with anyone
> > who acquired new knowledge about C++ without
> > synthesizing it into better programming practices. I don't
> > think anyone, regardless of the depth of their experience,
> > could walk away from "Inside the C++ Object Model"
> > without at least one new insight on C++, and that alone
> > should be enough to improve their coding.
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?[/color]
> >
> > That's subjective. I couldn't put it down, but I've given up
> > on alleged page-turners from Anne Rice and Stephen King
> > after a couple of interminable chapters.
> >
> > Claudio Puviani[/color]
> Lippman's books are frequently recommended by experienced
> programmers.[/color]

For good reasons. He's clear and thorough and he knows his stuff.
[color=blue]
> My criteria for choosing Stroustrup over Lippman were 1)
> Stroustrup created the language, 2) Stroustrup had cooler
> epigraphs. Actually, I didn't like the print format off the one
> book I looked at. It felt like a sophomore textbook. Probably
> a style that appeals to a majority, but not to me. As you can
> tell, I used discerning reason to select my learning materials.[/color]

Why choose one over the other? You can't go wrong owning both and sometimes
what you don't understand immediately in one, the other clarifies.
[color=blue]
> I did some checking on who Lippman is. Quite an interesting
> bird, he. Does a lot of stuff that appeals to me, such as the
> movie graphics.[/color]

He was interesting even before going to work for Satan Disney.
[color=blue]
> I broke my word about Koening and Moo being my last C++
> book for the foreseeable future. I just ordered Lippman's _Object
> Model_[/color]

No C++ programmer should be without it.
[color=blue]
>, and _C++ Templates: The Complete Guide_, by Vandevoorde
> and Josuttis.[/color]

Make sure you get Alexandrescu's "Modern C++ Design" as a complement. You'll
find yourself liberally flipping between the two.

Claudio Puviani


Claudio Puviani
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#10: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?


"Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote[color=blue]
> Claudio Puviani wrote:
>[color=green]
> > "Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote[color=darkred]
> >> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for
> >> everybody. Different people think differently. I often
> >> stumble where others don't. And I often stroll through
> >> what others find hard. I am wondering if people who
> >> have read Lippman's _Inside the C++ Object Model_
> >> believe it improved their ability to write C++ code.[/color]
> >
> > There would be something seriously wrong with anyone
> > who acquired new knowledge about C++ without
> > synthesizing it into better programming practices. I don't
> > think anyone, regardless of the depth of their experience,
> > could walk away from "Inside the C++ Object Model"
> > without at least one new insight on C++, and that alone
> > should be enough to improve their coding.
> >[color=darkred]
> >> Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?[/color]
> >
> > That's subjective. I couldn't put it down, but I've given up
> > on alleged page-turners from Anne Rice and Stephen King
> > after a couple of interminable chapters.
> >
> > Claudio Puviani[/color]
> Lippman's books are frequently recommended by experienced
> programmers.[/color]

For good reasons. He's clear and thorough and he knows his stuff.
[color=blue]
> My criteria for choosing Stroustrup over Lippman were 1)
> Stroustrup created the language, 2) Stroustrup had cooler
> epigraphs. Actually, I didn't like the print format off the one
> book I looked at. It felt like a sophomore textbook. Probably
> a style that appeals to a majority, but not to me. As you can
> tell, I used discerning reason to select my learning materials.[/color]

Why choose one over the other? You can't go wrong owning both and sometimes
what you don't understand immediately in one, the other clarifies.
[color=blue]
> I did some checking on who Lippman is. Quite an interesting
> bird, he. Does a lot of stuff that appeals to me, such as the
> movie graphics.[/color]

He was interesting even before going to work for Satan Disney.
[color=blue]
> I broke my word about Koening and Moo being my last C++
> book for the foreseeable future. I just ordered Lippman's _Object
> Model_[/color]

No C++ programmer should be without it.
[color=blue]
>, and _C++ Templates: The Complete Guide_, by Vandevoorde
> and Josuttis.[/color]

Make sure you get Alexandrescu's "Modern C++ Design" as a complement. You'll
find yourself liberally flipping between the two.

Claudio Puviani


Martin
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#11: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?


I found "Inside the C++ Object Model" to be indispensable for a deeper
understanding of the core language constructs of C++.
In my opinion a "must read" for anyone serious about C++.

An easy read? Definitely not.

Cheers,
Martin


"Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote in message
news:8cqdnTAn8KDgVPLd4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...[color=blue]
> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for everybody.
> Different people think differently. I often stumble where others don't.
> And I often stroll through what others find hard. I am wondering if[/color]
people[color=blue]
> who have read Lippman's _Inside the C++ Object Model_ believe it improved
> their ability to write C++ code.
>
> Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?
> --
> p->m == (*p).m == p[0].m
> http://www.kdevelop.org
> http://www.suse.com
> http://www.mozilla.org[/color]


Martin
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#12: Jul 22 '05

re: Lippman's Inside the C++ Object Model?


I found "Inside the C++ Object Model" to be indispensable for a deeper
understanding of the core language constructs of C++.
In my opinion a "must read" for anyone serious about C++.

An easy read? Definitely not.

Cheers,
Martin


"Steven T. Hatton" <susudata@setidava.kushan.aa> wrote in message
news:8cqdnTAn8KDgVPLd4p2dnA@speakeasy.net...[color=blue]
> This is the kind of question that is hard to answer for everybody.
> Different people think differently. I often stumble where others don't.
> And I often stroll through what others find hard. I am wondering if[/color]
people[color=blue]
> who have read Lippman's _Inside the C++ Object Model_ believe it improved
> their ability to write C++ code.
>
> Also. Is it a page-turner, or a challenge to get through?
> --
> p->m == (*p).m == p[0].m
> http://www.kdevelop.org
> http://www.suse.com
> http://www.mozilla.org[/color]


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