SQL Server 2005 Express Beta Problems

While I think just about every IT expert out here agrees that the first
commandment is Thou Shalt Not Install Beta Software in a Production
Environment, the corollary to this would have to be that if you're naive
enough to install a beta of anything on a production machine, you should *at
the very least* least back it up. Even if you're installing an RTM version
or Service Pack you should take precautionary steps in case something breaks
and you have to roll it back.

I have to say though, the reduction of installing this software to a simple
38 to 1 against, all-or-nothing proposition is a little sobering, to say the
least. (Assuming the installation was an American installation and not a
European installation where the odds would be 37 to 1 that you'd fail,
correct?)

Think I'll stick with BlackJack... and delaying new software purchases until
at least the first full service pack is released.

Thanks,
Michael C.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > "Bradley M. Small" <BSmall@XNOSPAMXmjsi.com> wrote in message
> > news:u03KG4NZEHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...[color=darkred]
> > > Wow, I guess Beta means nothing to some people. I can certainly[/color][/color][/color]
remember[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > back to when there weren't such wide open Beta's and it was difficult[/color][/color]
> even[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > to get a Beta copy of anything much less something like SQL server.
> > >
> > > I can even remember some beta licenses that required a full disk[/color][/color][/color]
format[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > before installation.
> > >
> > > It's BETA it can and may wipe out your whole system. If you can't risk[/color][/color]
> the[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > system you are putting it on, then don't put it on, and wait for a[/color][/color]
> release[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > version.
> > >
> > > It is just like gambling, if you can't afford to lose the $100 in your
> > > pocket, then keep it there and don't bet it on roulette.[/color][/color][/color]

re: SQL Server 2005 Express Beta Problems

Hi Michael,

"Michael C" <michaelco@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:9XeIc.20984$JW6.6070615@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...[color=blue]
> While I think just about every IT expert out here agrees that the first
> commandment is Thou Shalt Not Install Beta Software in a Production
> Environment, the corollary to this would have to be that if you're naive[/color]
....

I really do not think this is the right group to post your frustrations over
the
SQL 2k5 Express beta...

Regards,

Lars Wilhelmsen
Software Engineer
Teleplan A/S, Norway

re: SQL Server 2005 Express Beta Problems

Hi "Lars",

I have *absolutely no* frustrations with the SQL 2k5 Express Beta; probably
because I'm not so naive as to install beta software on production machines.

I don't think this is the right group for *you* to respond to a post you
*obviously* didn't bother reading; and *obviously* aren't familiar with the
previously posted threads on the topic or the subject matter. Feel free to
re-read the *entire* post and possibly some starter material to figure out
what's going on around you before you respond blindly to a *subject line*.

Regards,
Michael C.

"Lars Wilhelmsen" <larswil@NOSPAM.ifi.uio.no> wrote in message
news:uIYZCv3ZEHA.716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...[color=blue]
> Hi Michael,
>
> "Michael C" <michaelco@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:9XeIc.20984$JW6.6070615@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et...[color=green]
> > While I think just about every IT expert out here agrees that the first
> > commandment is Thou Shalt Not Install Beta Software in a Production
> > Environment, the corollary to this would have to be that if you're naive[/color]
> ...
>
> I really do not think this is the right group to post your frustrations[/color]
over[color=blue]
> the
> SQL 2k5 Express beta...
>
> Regards,
>
> Lars Wilhelmsen
> Software Engineer
> Teleplan A/S, Norway
>
>[/color]

re: SQL Server 2005 Express Beta Problems

Please don't make posts about silly future versions that only you and your internet buddies have got.


"Michael C" wrote:
[color=blue]
> While I think just about every IT expert out here agrees that the first
> commandment is Thou Shalt Not Install Beta Software in a Production
> Environment, the corollary to this would have to be that if you're naive
> enough to install a beta of anything on a production machine, you should *at
> the very least* least back it up. Even if you're installing an RTM version
> or Service Pack you should take precautionary steps in case something breaks
> and you have to roll it back.
>
> I have to say though, the reduction of installing this software to a simple
> 38 to 1 against, all-or-nothing proposition is a little sobering, to say the
> least. (Assuming the installation was an American installation and not a
> European installation where the odds would be 37 to 1 that you'd fail,
> correct?)
>
> Think I'll stick with BlackJack... and delaying new software purchases until
> at least the first full service pack is released.
>
> Thanks,
> Michael C.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > "Bradley M. Small" <BSmall@XNOSPAMXmjsi.com> wrote in message
> > > news:u03KG4NZEHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > Wow, I guess Beta means nothing to some people. I can certainly[/color][/color]
> remember[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > back to when there weren't such wide open Beta's and it was difficult[/color]
> > even[color=darkred]
> > > > to get a Beta copy of anything much less something like SQL server.
> > > >
> > > > I can even remember some beta licenses that required a full disk[/color][/color]
> format[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > before installation.
> > > >
> > > > It's BETA it can and may wipe out your whole system. If you can't risk[/color]
> > the[color=darkred]
> > > > system you are putting it on, then don't put it on, and wait for a[/color]
> > release[color=darkred]
> > > > version.
> > > >
> > > > It is just like gambling, if you can't afford to lose the $100 in your
> > > > pocket, then keep it there and don't bet it on roulette.[/color][/color]
>
>
>
>[/color]

re: SQL Server 2005 Express Beta Problems

"Beeeeeeeeeeeeves" <Beeeeeeeeeeeeves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:886AB4A6-EE27-461F-870C-385593C79C76@microsoft.com...[color=blue]
> Please don't make posts about silly future versions that only you and your[/color]
internet buddies have got.[color=blue]
>[/color]

"have got" is incorrect.

Use "and your internet buddies have" to denote current ownership.
Alternatively, use " and your internet buddies have gotten" to denote some
past action.

regards
roy fine
[color=blue]
>
> "Michael C" wrote:
>[color=green]
> > While I think just about every IT expert out here agrees that the first
> > commandment is Thou Shalt Not Install Beta Software in a Production
> > Environment, the corollary to this would have to be that if you're naive
> > enough to install a beta of anything on a production machine, you should[/color][/color]
*at[color=blue][color=green]
> > the very least* least back it up. Even if you're installing an RTM[/color][/color]
version[color=blue][color=green]
> > or Service Pack you should take precautionary steps in case something[/color][/color]
breaks[color=blue][color=green]
> > and you have to roll it back.
> >
> > I have to say though, the reduction of installing this software to a[/color][/color]
simple[color=blue][color=green]
> > 38 to 1 against, all-or-nothing proposition is a little sobering, to say[/color][/color]
the[color=blue][color=green]
> > least. (Assuming the installation was an American installation and not[/color][/color]
a[color=blue][color=green]
> > European installation where the odds would be 37 to 1 that you'd fail,
> > correct?)
> >
> > Think I'll stick with BlackJack... and delaying new software purchases[/color][/color]
until[color=blue][color=green]
> > at least the first full service pack is released.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Michael C.
> >[color=darkred]
> > > > "Bradley M. Small" <BSmall@XNOSPAMXmjsi.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:u03KG4NZEHA.3492@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > > > Wow, I guess Beta means nothing to some people. I can certainly[/color]
> > remember[color=darkred]
> > > > > back to when there weren't such wide open Beta's and it was[/color][/color][/color]
difficult[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > even
> > > > > to get a Beta copy of anything much less something like SQL[/color][/color][/color]
server.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > >
> > > > > I can even remember some beta licenses that required a full disk[/color]
> > format[color=darkred]
> > > > > before installation.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's BETA it can and may wipe out your whole system. If you can't[/color][/color][/color]
risk[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > the
> > > > > system you are putting it on, then don't put it on, and wait for a
> > > release
> > > > > version.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is just like gambling, if you can't afford to lose the $100 in[/color][/color][/color]
your[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> > > > > pocket, then keep it there and don't bet it on roulette.[/color]
> >
> >
> >
> >[/color][/color]

re: SQL Server 2005 Express Beta Problems

On 12 Jul 2004 11:33, "Roy Fine" wrote:[color=blue]
>
>"Beeeeeeeeeeeeves" <Beeeeeeeeeeeeves@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
>message news:886AB4A6-EE27-461F-870C-385593C79C76@microsoft.com...[color=green]
>> Please don't make posts about silly future versions that only you and your[/color]
>internet buddies have got.[color=green]
>>[/color]
>
>"have got" is incorrect.
>
>Use "and your internet buddies have" to denote current ownership.
>Alternatively, use " and your internet buddies have gotten" to denote some
>past action.
>
>regards
>roy fine[/color]


In UK English he's right although stylistically I'd prefer your first
suggestion - drop the 'got'; in UK English 'gotten' is not a word at all.
Personally, I was wondering who the 'internet buddies' were.....
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