ASP.NET great technology but unaffordable?

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>>Hello,
>>>
>>we were in contact with the microsoft licence hotline last week. We
>>want to build a asp.net application based upon a windows 2003 server
>>and Microsoft sql-server 2005. It will be a commerical application for
>>customers. The question was which microsoft licences are required on
>>the customer site.
>>>
>>The technology: ASP.NET, One central SQL-Server login, internal user
>>database - no windows authentication.
>>>
>>The answer: Each user needs a Windows 2003 Standard Server CAL or a
>>External Connector licence (never heard that before). For SQL-Server
>>each user needs a CAL or the SQL-Server a processor licence
>>>
>>But this means: Never mind how your application is built, for each
>>little webshop, webboard, etc. hosted on a windows 2003 Standard
>>server you'll need an unlimited amount of Windows CALs or the external
>>connector licence.
>>>
>>I was never a friend of Linux & PHP - but how should IIS & ASP.NET
>>bear up against Linux & PHP then? I guess there are thousands of
>>illegal web applications when the above definition is true.
>>>
>>Thanks for your reply
>>>
>>Alfred
>>>

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>>Hello,
>>>
>>we were in contact with the microsoft licence hotline last week. We
>>want to build a asp.net application based upon a windows 2003 server
>>and Microsoft sql-server 2005. It will be a commerical application for
>>customers. The question was which microsoft licences are required on
>>the customer site.
>>>
>>The technology: ASP.NET, One central SQL-Server login, internal user
>>database - no windows authentication.
>>>
>>The answer: Each user needs a Windows 2003 Standard Server CAL or a
>>External Connector licence (never heard that before). For SQL-Server
>>each user needs a CAL or the SQL-Server a processor licence
>>>
>>But this means: Never mind how your application is built, for each
>>little webshop, webboard, etc. hosted on a windows 2003 Standard
>>server you'll need an unlimited amount of Windows CALs or the external
>>connector licence.
>>>
>>I was never a friend of Linux & PHP - but how should IIS & ASP.NET
>>bear up against Linux & PHP then? I guess there are thousands of
>>illegal web applications when the above definition is true.
>>>
>>Thanks for your reply
>>>
>>Alfred
>>>

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>>re:
>>!But this means: Never mind how your application is built, for each
>>!little webshop, webboard, etc. hosted on a windows 2003 Standard
>>!server you'll need an unlimited amount of Windows CALs or the
>>external
>>!connector licence.
>>>
>>You need Windows CALs only for machines which access shared resources
>>by connecting/logging into your Windows 2003 Server, i.e., developers,
>>for example.
>>>
>>Users who access the server via HTTP don't need CALs.
>>>
>>As for SQL Server 2005, why not use SQL Server 2005 Express ?
>>It's quite robust...and it's free.
>>>
>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx
>>>
>>In fact, you can get *all* Express Editions totally free.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>===================================
>>"Alfred Sehmueller" <alfred.sehmueller@gmx.dewrote in message
>>news:1177506590.023958.311260@c18g2000prb.google groups.com...
>>>Hello,
>>>>
>>>we were in contact with the microsoft licence hotline last week. We
>>>want to build a asp.net application based upon a windows 2003 server
>>>and Microsoft sql-server 2005. It will be a commerical application for
>>>customers. The question was which microsoft licences are required on
>>>the customer site.
>>>>
>>>The technology: ASP.NET, One central SQL-Server login, internal user
>>>database - no windows authentication.
>>>>
>>>The answer: Each user needs a Windows 2003 Standard Server CAL or a
>>>External Connector licence (never heard that before). For SQL-Server
>>>each user needs a CAL or the SQL-Server a processor licence
>>>>
>>>But this means: Never mind how your application is built, for each
>>>little webshop, webboard, etc. hosted on a windows 2003 Standard
>>>server you'll need an unlimited amount of Windows CALs or the external
>>>connector licence.
>>>>
>>>I was never a friend of Linux & PHP - but how should IIS & ASP.NET
>>>bear up against Linux & PHP then? I guess there are thousands of
>>>illegal web applications when the above definition is true.
>>>>
>>>Thanks for your reply
>>>>
>>>Alfred
>>>>
>>>

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>>you do need a special license to connect sqlserver

>>sqlexpress is a free option.

>>you do need a special license to connect sqlserver to an internet
>>application no matter how many proxies you use. oracle and db2 have
>>similar rules.
>>>
>>for older sqlserver's there is a connection license, for 2005 you pick
>>the no cals server process license (charge per processor).
>>>
>>sqlexpress is a free option.
>>>
>>-- bruce (sqlwork.com)

>>Juan T. Llibre wrote:
>>>re:
>>>!But this means: Never mind how your application is built, for each
>>>!little webshop, webboard, etc. hosted on a windows 2003 Standard
>>>!server you'll need an unlimited amount of Windows CALs or the
>>>external
>>>!connector licence.
>>>>
>>>You need Windows CALs only for machines which access shared resources
>>>by connecting/logging into your Windows 2003 Server, i.e., developers,
>>>for example.
>>>>
>>>Users who access the server via HTTP don't need CALs.
>>>>
>>>As for SQL Server 2005, why not use SQL Server 2005 Express ?
>>>It's quite robust...and it's free.
>>>>
>>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx
>>>>
>>>In fact, you can get *all* Express Editions totally free.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>===================================
>>>"Alfred Sehmueller" <alfred.sehmueller@gmx.dewrote in message
>>>news:1177506590.023958.311260@c18g2000prb.googl egroups.com...
>>>>Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>we were in contact with the microsoft licence hotline last week. We
>>>>want to build a asp.net application based upon a windows 2003 server
>>>>and Microsoft sql-server 2005. It will be a commerical application for
>>>>customers. The question was which microsoft licences are required on
>>>>the customer site.
>>>>>
>>>>The technology: ASP.NET, One central SQL-Server login, internal user
>>>>database - no windows authentication.
>>>>>
>>>>The answer: Each user needs a Windows 2003 Standard Server CAL or a
>>>>External Connector licence (never heard that before). For SQL-Server
>>>>each user needs a CAL or the SQL-Server a processor licence
>>>>>
>>>>But this means: Never mind how your application is built, for each
>>>>little webshop, webboard, etc. hosted on a windows 2003 Standard
>>>>server you'll need an unlimited amount of Windows CALs or the external
>>>>connector licence.
>>>>>
>>>>I was never a friend of Linux & PHP - but how should IIS & ASP.NET
>>>>bear up against Linux & PHP then? I guess there are thousands of
>>>>illegal web applications when the above definition is true.
>>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your reply
>>>>>
>>>>Alfred
>>>>>
>>>>

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>>re:
>>>you do need a special license to connect sqlserver
>>>
>>Correct, but you don't need it if you don't use SQL Server. :-)
>>>
>>re:
>>>sqlexpress is a free option.
>>>
>>And a good one it is, indeed.
>>SQL Server 2005 Express is quite robust.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>===================================
>>"bruce barker" <nospam@nospam.comwrote in message
>>news:%23sdpL%230hHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl.. .
>>>you do need a special license to connect sqlserver to an internet
>>>application no matter how many proxies you use. oracle and db2 have
>>>similar rules.
>>>>
>>>for older sqlserver's there is a connection license, for 2005 you pick
>>>the no cals server process license (charge per processor).
>>>>
>>>sqlexpress is a free option.
>>>>
>>>-- bruce (sqlwork.com)
>>>
>>>
>>>Juan T. Llibre wrote:
>>>>re:
>>>>!But this means: Never mind how your application is built, for each
>>>>!little webshop, webboard, etc. hosted on a windows 2003 Standard
>>>>!server you'll need an unlimited amount of Windows CALs or the
>>>>external
>>>>!connector licence.
>>>>>
>>>>You need Windows CALs only for machines which access shared resources
>>>>by connecting/logging into your Windows 2003 Server, i.e., developers,
>>>>for example.
>>>>>
>>>>Users who access the server via HTTP don't need CALs.
>>>>>
>>>>As for SQL Server 2005, why not use SQL Server 2005 Express ?
>>>>It's quite robust...and it's free.
>>>>>
>>>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>In fact, you can get *all* Express Editions totally free.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>>asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>>foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>>===================================
>>>>"Alfred Sehmueller" <alfred.sehmueller@gmx.dewrote in message
>>>>news:1177506590.023958.311260@c18g2000prb.goog legroups.com...
>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>we were in contact with the microsoft licence hotline last week. We
>>>>>want to build a asp.net application based upon a windows 2003 server
>>>>>and Microsoft sql-server 2005. It will be a commerical application
>>>>>for
>>>>>customers. The question was which microsoft licences are required on
>>>>>the customer site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>The technology: ASP.NET, One central SQL-Server login, internal user
>>>>>database - no windows authentication.
>>>>>>
>>>>>The answer: Each user needs a Windows 2003 Standard Server CAL or a
>>>>>External Connector licence (never heard that before). For SQL-Server
>>>>>each user needs a CAL or the SQL-Server a processor licence
>>>>>>
>>>>>But this means: Never mind how your application is built, for each
>>>>>little webshop, webboard, etc. hosted on a windows 2003 Standard
>>>>>server you'll need an unlimited amount of Windows CALs or the
>>>>>external
>>>>>connector licence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I was never a friend of Linux & PHP - but how should IIS & ASP.NET
>>>>>bear up against Linux & PHP then? I guess there are thousands of
>>>>>illegal web applications when the above definition is true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for your reply
>>>>>>
>>>>>Alfred
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>

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>"OTOH, ASP.Net is Microsoft.Net, and that means it has a productivity
>advantage"

>>In fact, since the original title is "ASP.Net ... unaffordable?" it is
>>important to point out that SQL Server is not a requirement in any way
>>for an ASP.Net application. Oracle (also licensed), MySql (free), and
>>indeed, any OLEDB-compliant database may be used. So, the issue of the
>>cost of SQL Server is irrelevant. Once you get past that non-issue,
>>you're not talking about much of a difference in cost with regards to
>>using a server-side technology. OTOH, ASP.Net is Microsoft.Net, and that
>>means it has a productivity advantage. This means that the total cost,
>>including development, is likely to be much less, as developer time is
>>probably the most costly aspect of creating any application.
>>>
>>--
>>HTH,
>>>
>>Kevin Spencer
>>Microsoft MVP
>>>
>>Printing Components, Email Components,
>>FTP Client Classes, Enhanced Data Controls, much more.
>>DSI PrintManager, Miradyne Component Libraries:
>>http://www.miradyne.net
>>>
>>"Juan T. Llibre" <nomailreplies@nowhere.comwrote in message
>>news:eXCJSJ1hHHA.4516@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>re:
>>>>you do need a special license to connect sqlserver
>>>>
>>>Correct, but you don't need it if you don't use SQL Server. :-)
>>>>
>>>re:
>>>>sqlexpress is a free option.
>>>>
>>>And a good one it is, indeed.
>>>SQL Server 2005 Express is quite robust.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>===================================
>>>"bruce barker" <nospam@nospam.comwrote in message
>>>news:%23sdpL%230hHHA.4772@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl. ..
>>>>you do need a special license to connect sqlserver to an internet
>>>>application no matter how many proxies you use. oracle and db2 have
>>>>similar rules.
>>>>>
>>>>for older sqlserver's there is a connection license, for 2005 you pick
>>>>the no cals server process license (charge per processor).
>>>>>
>>>>sqlexpress is a free option.
>>>>>
>>>>-- bruce (sqlwork.com)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Juan T. Llibre wrote:
>>>>>re:
>>>>>!But this means: Never mind how your application is built, for each
>>>>>!little webshop, webboard, etc. hosted on a windows 2003 Standard
>>>>>!server you'll need an unlimited amount of Windows CALs or the
>>>>>external
>>>>>!connector licence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>You need Windows CALs only for machines which access shared resources
>>>>>by connecting/logging into your Windows 2003 Server, i.e.,
>>>>>developers, for example.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Users who access the server via HTTP don't need CALs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>As for SQL Server 2005, why not use SQL Server 2005 Express ?
>>>>>It's quite robust...and it's free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/default.aspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>In fact, you can get *all* Express Editions totally free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
>>>>>asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
>>>>>foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
>>>>>===================================
>>>>>"Alfred Sehmueller" <alfred.sehmueller@gmx.dewrote in message
>>>>>news:1177506590.023958.311260@c18g2000prb.goo glegroups.com...
>>>>>>Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>we were in contact with the microsoft licence hotline last week. We
>>>>>>want to build a asp.net application based upon a windows 2003 server
>>>>>>and Microsoft sql-server 2005. It will be a commerical application
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>customers. The question was which microsoft licences are required on
>>>>>>the customer site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The technology: ASP.NET, One central SQL-Server login, internal user
>>>>>>database - no windows authentication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>The answer: Each user needs a Windows 2003 Standard Server CAL or a
>>>>>>External Connector licence (never heard that before). For SQL-Server
>>>>>>each user needs a CAL or the SQL-Server a processor licence
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>But this means: Never mind how your application is built, for each
>>>>>>little webshop, webboard, etc. hosted on a windows 2003 Standard
>>>>>>server you'll need an unlimited amount of Windows CALs or the
>>>>>>external
>>>>>>connector licence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I was never a friend of Linux & PHP - but how should IIS & ASP.NET
>>>>>>bear up against Linux & PHP then? I guess there are thousands of
>>>>>>illegal web applications when the above definition is true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for your reply
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Alfred
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>

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