> But I have been programming for 24 years,[color=blue]
> I have been a professional system architect
> for 10 years, run a computer science research
> department at a top university and built, run
> and sold 3 .coms.[/color]
Sorry John, but I'm just not buying it. Anyone can say anythiing they like.
It doesn't make it true. How about telling us WHERE you have been a
"professional system architect" (company name, web address, etc)? WHAT "top
university" have you "run a computer scientce research department" at
(University name, web address, etc)?
Your speech syntax, grammar, and egocentrism puts you at somewhere between
the ages of 15 and 25 (I would guess closer to 15). The fact that you are
non-specific about your qualifications implies that you have something to
hide. And your ignorance of object-oriented programming technology indicates
that yoou know almost nothing about real-world object-oriented programming.
Finally, only a teenager (or someone with a pathological case of arrested
development) would be so foolish as to jeopardize their professional future
with such a proliferation of ignorant and insulting postings on a
widely-read public newsgroup, as teenagers don't understand that they will
have to live in the future with the consequences of their present actions.
Teenagers have parents to take care of them, and don't realize that at some
point they will have to do all the work for themselves and for their own
children, including paying bills, and raising a family. Teenagers don't
realize that eventually your parents die, and you have nobody to fall back
on but yourself.
You have demonstrated precisely none of the behavioral and/or linguistic
characteristics of an adult, much less a professional adult, much less a
science professor. And with no other evidence to rely on, I find you guilty
of lying.
By doing so, you are only hurting yourself, the future you, the only you
that you will ever become. And this grieves me, because I was once as young
and stupid as you are. I wish I had listened when I should have. It took a
lot of years to dig my way back out.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
If the truth hurts, wear it.
"John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:1125337038.952924.14590@g44g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
Thankyou for your concern,
But I have been programming for 24 years,
I have been a professional system architect
for 10 years, run a computer science research
department at a top university and built, run
and sold 3 .coms.
Why am I wasting time arguing on this newsgroup?
There is a real reason, I am trying to determine
whether microsoft's latest approach to dumbing down
the development process can work, is it possible
to use almost anybody to write enterprise class code?
As opposed to expensive skilled professionals who know
what they are doing.
What is happening in VS.NET is very interesting,
there is a feedback loop whereby the ignorance of today's
average web developer feedsback in to the architecture, ensuring
they stay in their "comfort zone".
It is all about understanding what you guys are capable of
handling conceptually and making sure not to exceed that.
Then providing infrastructure solutions to solve the problems
that the inefficient code that results causes.
Its the classic monkeys and typewriter idea made real.
BTW
Just because lots of stupid people agree with each
other doesn't mean they're right.
If I were you kevin i'd start learning to think for yourself, not
just running with the herd like a silly cow.
And Juan, where is your paging control code?????
"Classes and methods may prove me wrong but killfiles will never hurt
me"
If you do a good job I will admit it publicly, and even apologise.
Come on, beat me!
Kevin Spencer wrote:[color=blue]
> John,
>
> I hope you realize that you are alone in your opinions, especially those
> of
> your own skill/intellgence. It pains me to see you making a public fool of
> yourself in this way. I really feel for you, as when you plan to make a
> living doing programming, it will be nearly impossible as long as these
> public remarks continue to float around the Internet. You will be older
> and
> wiser, but your reputation will precede you everywhere you go. It is not
> possible to remove published messages from the Internet. Your only hope
> will
> be to outlast them.
>
> So, if you are truly desirous of becoming a professional developer, PLEASE
> do yourself a favor and stop publishing your foolish opinions now. In
> another 5 years they will have faded into obscurity, and perhaps you will
> be
> more knowledgeable and hirable.
>
> --
> HTH,
>
> Kevin Spencer
> Microsoft MVP
> .Net Developer
> Paranoia is just a state of mind.
>
> "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> news:1125151557.475499.40940@g43g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>
>
>
> oh yes,
>
> furthermore my approach also supports
> ragged paging which you need when
> displaying datasheets with grouping
> headers
>
> whereas his is hardcoded to a static
> pagesize
>
> looking forward to seeing your work, juan *-)
>
>
>
>
> John Rivers wrote:[color=green]
> > So your final position on this
> > is that article shows a reasonable
> > way to implement a paging control?
> >
> > In which I case I recommend you live
> > by your words and use his "technique"
> >
> > At least I have the courage to show my
> > technique, let's all have a look at yours ...
> >
> > Show us all your paging control code.
> >
> >
> >
> > Juan T. Llibre wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > Your reply is composed of :
> > >
> > > "Oh, yeah, add this or add that" and "don't understand this".
> > >
> > > You made my case better than I did.
> > >
> > > Go ahead and submit your "improvements" to 15Seconds, OK ?
> > > And let us know when the article is published.
> > >
> > > Bye!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Juan T. Llibre
> > > ASP.NET MVP
> > >
http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaņol
> > > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > > ======================
> > >
> > > "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1125124776.832265.145940@g44g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > > >
> > > > 1. First, Previous, Next, Last and paging buttons
> > >
> > >
> > > oh yes mine doesn't have paging
> > > buttons, thats an extra 3 lines then ...
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2. Be sensitive to the data. If the pager is set to show 10 records
> > > > per page and only nine are shown, then the pager shouldn't be
> > > > visible.
> > > > On the first page the Previous and First buttons shouldn't be shown.
> > > > On the last page the Next and the Last methods shouldn't be shown.
> > >
> > > read my code
> > > it does this - it greys out the controls
> > > it is bad ui design to have page elements appearing and disappearing
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 3. Independent of the control that's in charge of the presentation
> > >
> > >
> > > crumbs mine is one method in an include file
> > > that doesn't even know what the datasource is
> > > you don't get much more independent than that
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 4. The ability to handle a variety of current and future data
> > > > sources
> > >
> > > mine can handle any datasource
> > > as it doesn't try and overencapsulate like his junk
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 5. Easily configurable presentation to integrate with custom
> > > > applications
> > >
> > >
> > > just edit the little html fragments
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 6. Notify other controls when paging is taking place
> > >
> > >
> > > at client: just add some javascript
> > > at server: hell the url says "PageNumber=6"
> > > and the referer says "PageNumber=5"
> > > what more do you need???
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 7. Easy to use even by inexperienced Web designers
> > >
> > >
> > > don't try and tell me his is easier to use than mine????
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > 8. Provide properties to relevant paging data
> > >
> > >
> > > don't understand this
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > The code you posted doesn't even come *close* to doing that.
> > > > Go be a jerk somewhere else.
> > >
> > >
> > > no - you are the jerk for being so wrong
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Juan T. Llibre
> > > > ASP.NET MVP
> > > >
http://asp.net.do/foros/
> > > > Foros de ASP.NET en Espaņol
> > > > Ven, y hablemos de ASP.NET...
> > > > ======================
> > > >
> > > > "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1125098651.896517.326090@o13g2000cwo.googlegr oups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I was being mean, his intentions were good, but that article
> > > > > should
> > > > > never have been published.
> > > > >
> > > > > And credit to me then for just showing the community a lean and
> > > > > high
> > > > > performance approach!
> > > > >
> > > > > You wouldn't happen to know who at Microsoft was responsible for
> > > > > designing
> > > > > ASPX, UserControls, HtmlControls, CustomControls and viewstate
> > > > > would
> > > > > you?
> > > > >
> > > > > I am sure it wasn't the same people who designed the other parts
> > > > > of
> > > > > ASP.NET.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John Timney (ASP.NET MVP) wrote:
> > > > >> If it wasn't a good article it would not have made it onto
> > > > >> 15seconds.
> > > > >> Credit to Tomasz for giving something back to the community.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards
> > > > >>
> > > > >> John Timney
> > > > >> ASP.NET MVP
> > > > >> Microsoft Regional Director
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "John Rivers" <first10@btinternet.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> news:1125094378.931114.81020@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > >> >
http://www.15seconds.com/Issue/030812.htm?voteresult=1
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > poor guy worked his heart out, just to make a page control
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > and then they published it
> > > > >> >
> > > > >[/color][/color][/color]
