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Problems migrating to XP

John Ortt
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#1: Nov 13 '05
Hi Everyone, hope you can help.

Our company has recently migrated from NT and Access 97 to XP and Access
2003 and in the process a number of problems have surfaced.

The team I work in are responsible for managing a number of databases, some
of which are updated on a desktop machine and then copied to the networked
drives.

We overwrite the existing database with the new updated version using the
scheduled task manager to ensure no-one is in the database (i.e. midnight in
a 9-5 office).

The problem arrises if for some reason we want to overwrite the database
during the day.

In the days of NT we would firstly put a "quit" command in the autoexec to
stop anyone else getting in the database and then go about getting the
remaining users out. To do this we would look at the machine ID's in the
".ldb" file using either notepad or ldb viewer, and then use a net-send to
the machine to request that the user exited the database. This worked well
and usually we could perform the entire task in less than 20 minutes.

Now that we have migrated everything has changed. Firstly we can't put the
quit command in the database as you can't change the design of an Access
2000+ database if there are other users in it. This means that we have to
try to get the users out even as new users are logging in. To make matters
worse, for reasons I fail to understand net-send no longer works on the XP
machines. This means that the only way of getting people out is to enter
the database and look at our login table to find out who is using the
relevant machine ID's and subsequently look up their phone number to request
that they exit the database. As you can imagine this is an extremely time
consuming process. It is further complicated as the database occasionally
gets corrupted stopping anyone further getting in but not kicking the
existing users out. In this instance we can't even refer to the login table
to find the names leaving us completely helpless.

I have tried creating timer events which check an external linked table at a
set interval to see whether to log off which seems to work fine in a test
environment but makes the database far more unstable when used on the
network.....I can post the code I used if you wish.

If anyone has any suggestions on how we can make any part of this process
easier in XP I would be extremely grateful.

Thankyou,

John Ortt.



Danny J. Lesandrini
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#2: Nov 13 '05

re: Problems migrating to XP


I have a system in place where I load a form named usysLogoutTimer which is loaded
at app startup. It polls a server table with a Yes/No field for Logout attribute. When
true, the countdown form, usysLogoutCountdown, displays itself and starts a 5 minute
countdown. That way, I can log out all users, even if it's after hours and they've gone home.

I put an image of the form at my site ...
http://amazecreations.com/datafast/countdown.jpg

And the code for both forms is down here ...

' usysLogoutTimer
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Sub cmdOK_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Handler
Me.Visible = False
Exit_Here:
Exit Sub
Err_Handler:
LogErrorToTable Err.Number, Err.Description, "Form_usysLogoutTimer", "cmdOK_Click", Erl
Resume Exit_Here
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Timer()
On Error GoTo Err_Handler
Dim fLogout As Boolean

fLogout = DLookup("[LogOutAllUsers]", "[usysVersionServer]")
If fLogout = True Then
Me.TimerInterval = 60000
DoCmd.OpenForm "usysLogoutStatus"
Else
Me.TimerInterval = 1800000
If IsLoaded("usysLogoutStatus") Then
DoCmd.Close acForm, "usysLogoutStatus"
End If
End If

Exit_Here:
Exit Sub
Err_Handler:
'LogErrorToTable Err.Number, Err.Description, "Form_usysLogoutTimer", "Form_Timer", Erl
Resume Exit_Here
End Sub



' usysLogoutCountdown
Private Sub cmdOK_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Handler
Me.Visible = False
Exit_Here:
Exit Sub
Err_Handler:
'LogErrorToTable Err.Number, Err.Description, "Form_usysLogoutCountdown", "cmdOK_Click", Erl
Resume Exit_Here
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Open(iCancel As Integer)
On Error GoTo Err_Handler

mdat_StartCountdownTime = DateAdd("n", 3, Now())
Me!txtMinsecs = " 3 minutes and 0 seconds "

Exit_Here:
Exit Sub
Err_Handler:
LogErrorToTable Err.Number, Err.Description, "Form_usysLogoutCountdown", "Form_Open", Erl
Resume Exit_Here
End Sub

Private Sub Form_Timer()
On Error GoTo Err_Handler

Dim intIMins As Integer
Dim intISecs As Integer

intIMins = DateDiff("s", Now(), mdat_StartCountdownTime) \ 60
intISecs = DateDiff("s", Now(), DateAdd("n", (intIMins * -1), mdat_StartCountdownTime))

If intIMins = 2 And intISecs = 0 Then
Me.Visible = True
End If
If intIMins = 1 And intISecs = 0 Then
Me.Visible = True
End If
If intIMins = 0 And intISecs = 20 Then
Me.Visible = True
End If

If intIMins <= 0 And intISecs <= 0 Then
DoCmd.Quit
End If

Me!txtMinsecs = " " & intIMins & " minutes and " & intISecs & " seconds "

Exit_Here:
Exit Sub
Err_Handler:
LogErrorToTable Err.Number, Err.Description, "Form_usysLogoutCountdown", "Form_Timer", Erl
Resume Exit_Here
End Sub


--

Danny J. Lesandrini
dlesandrini@hotmail.com
http://amazecreations.com/datafast/



"John Ortt" <johnortt@noemailsuppliedasdontwantspam.com> wrote in message news:43259a61$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...[color=blue]
> Hi Everyone, hope you can help.
>
> Our company has recently migrated from NT and Access 97 to XP and Access 2003 and in the process a number of problems
> have surfaced.
>
> The team I work in are responsible for managing a number of databases, some of which are updated on a desktop machine
> and then copied to the networked drives.
>
> We overwrite the existing database with the new updated version using the scheduled task manager to ensure no-one is
> in the database (i.e. midnight in a 9-5 office).
>
> The problem arrises if for some reason we want to overwrite the database during the day.
>
> In the days of NT we would firstly put a "quit" command in the autoexec to stop anyone else getting in the database
> and then go about getting the remaining users out. To do this we would look at the machine ID's in the ".ldb" file
> using either notepad or ldb viewer, and then use a net-send to the machine to request that the user exited the
> database. This worked well and usually we could perform the entire task in less than 20 minutes.
>
> Now that we have migrated everything has changed. Firstly we can't put the quit command in the database as you can't
> change the design of an Access 2000+ database if there are other users in it. This means that we have to try to get
> the users out even as new users are logging in. To make matters worse, for reasons I fail to understand net-send no
> longer works on the XP machines. This means that the only way of getting people out is to enter the database and look
> at our login table to find out who is using the relevant machine ID's and subsequently look up their phone number to
> request that they exit the database. As you can imagine this is an extremely time consuming process. It is further
> complicated as the database occasionally gets corrupted stopping anyone further getting in but not kicking the
> existing users out. In this instance we can't even refer to the login table to find the names leaving us completely
> helpless.
>
> I have tried creating timer events which check an external linked table at a set interval to see whether to log off
> which seems to work fine in a test environment but makes the database far more unstable when used on the network.....I
> can post the code I used if you wish.
>
> If anyone has any suggestions on how we can make any part of this process easier in XP I would be extremely grateful.
>
> Thankyou,
>
> John Ortt.
>
>
>[/color]


Danny J. Lesandrini
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#3: Nov 13 '05

re: Problems migrating to XP


I consolidated the forms, table and code into an mdb file that may be used
to test the process.

http://amazecreations.com/datafast/G...uto-Logout.zip
--

Danny J. Lesandrini
dlesandrini@hotmail.com
http://amazecreations.com/datafast/




John Ortt
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#4: Nov 13 '05

re: Problems migrating to XP


Thanks Danny,

That looks excellent and I am sure we will be able to adapt it to suit our
needs.

As I mentionned, I was experimenting with a very similar system myself but
nowhere near as neatly coded.

Lets hope it proves to be more stable in the database.

Thanks again,

John


"Danny J. Lesandrini" <dlesandrini@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qN-dnUlOfcOoM7jeRVn-3w@comcast.com...[color=blue]
>I consolidated the forms, table and code into an mdb file that may be used
> to test the process.
>
> http://amazecreations.com/datafast/G...uto-Logout.zip
> --
>
> Danny J. Lesandrini
> dlesandrini@hotmail.com
> http://amazecreations.com/datafast/
>
>
>
>[/color]


Danny J. Lesandrini
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#5: Nov 13 '05

re: Problems migrating to XP


The article is ready at Database Journal ...

http://databasejournal.com/features/...le.php/3548586



"John Ortt" <johnortt@noemailsuppliedasdontwantspam.com> wrote ...[color=blue]
> Thanks Danny,
>
> That looks excellent and I am sure we will be able to adapt it to suit our needs.
>[/color]


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