Not sure if I should but this is what I have:

3 x 3 table grid. You click on a square and it places a picture in i
using Javascript.

Fairly simple stuff, each table <td> has a name attribute so it can b
referenced by Javascript.

My question, can this be converted to CSS and more importantly should
even bother or would I be better off leaving it as a table?

Thanks for any suggestions

C.W
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 12:33:45 -0600, C.W <Guest.10lr4n@mail.forum4designers.com>
wrote:
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>Not sure if I should but this is what I have:
>
>3 x 3 table grid. You click on a square and it places a picture in it
>using Javascript.
>
>Fairly simple stuff, each table <td> has a name attribute so it can be
>referenced by Javascript.
>
>My question, can this be converted to CSS and more importantly should I
>even bother or would I be better off leaving it as a table?
>
>Thanks for any suggestions.
>
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After much experimentation, I concluded that html tables should *not* be
replaced with CSS. Too much Instability and differences between browsers.
Most web sites, including Microsoft's and Netscape's, use html tables.

You may want to look at Barry Pearson's analysis:

http://www.barry.pearson.name/articles/layout_tables/

Mason C

Mason A. Clark wrote:[color=blue]
>
> After much experimentation, I concluded that html tables should *not* be
> replaced with CSS.[/color]

css is not a replacement for html tables. html tables are for marking
up tabular data. css is a way to design flexibly for the www.
[color=blue]
> Too much Instability[/color]

Even taking into account positioning bugs -- there are comparitively
few bugs in font and color -- it beats table layout by leaps and
bounds. I can't imagine doing design without it.
[color=blue]
> and differences between browsers.[/color]

For my part, I am entirely unconcerned with differences between
browsers. Who but web developers ever checks a site in more than one
browser?
[color=blue]
> Most web sites, including Microsoft's and Netscape's, use html tables.[/color]

Most web sites don't use a dtd. Most web sites wouldn't validate if
they did have a dtd. Most web sites use tiny fonts. Most web sites are
plagued with usability problems. I don't mimic most web sites.
[color=blue]
> You may want to look at Barry Pearson's analysis:
>
> http://www.barry.pearson.name/articles/layout_tables/[/color]

I've read it already. Much of it is reworked from usenet postings. It
is as unconvincing on the web as it was in usenet.

--
Brian (follow directions in my address to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/

>For my part, I am entirely unconcerned with differences between[color=blue]
>browsers.[/color]

Me too. I only browse with one browser at a time.
[color=blue]
> Who but web developers ever checks a site in more than one
>browser?[/color]

People who browse the web? How many browsers do they use?

Mason C nineteen, counting versions ?

Mason A. Clark wrote:[color=blue][color=green]
>> For my part, I am entirely unconcerned with differences between
>> browsers.[/color]
>
> Me too. I only browse with one browser at a time.
>[color=green]
>> Who but web developers ever checks a site in more than one
>> browser?[/color]
>
> People who browse the web? How many browsers do they use?[/color]

One. Excepting web developers, I have never met anyone who uses more
than one browser. Never. I know people who have upgraded, sometimes to
a competing product. But then, they stop using the old one and
exclusively use the new one.

Given that, it is silly to worry if a site looks different from one
browser to another, especially when the difference is trivial.

--
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http://www.tsmchughs.com/

Seen on the web:
This page best viewed by coming over to my office and looking at it on
my monitor.

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:43:53 GMT, Brian
<usenet2@julietremblay.com.invalid-remove-this-part> wrote:
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>Mason A. Clark wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> For my part, I am entirely unconcerned with differences between
>>> browsers.[/color]
>>
>> Me too. I only browse with one browser at a time.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Who but web developers ever checks a site in more than one
>>> browser?[/color]
>>
>> People who browse the web? How many browsers do they use?[/color]
>
>One. Excepting web developers, I have never met anyone who uses more
>than one browser. Never. I know people who have upgraded, sometimes to
>a competing product. But then, they stop using the old one and
>exclusively use the new one.
>
>Given that, it is silly to worry if a site looks different from one
>browser to another, especially when the difference is trivial.[/color]

If trivial, I agree. The problem is when a browser does not
show the page in a useful way or shows it ugly. That observer
will be unhappy. Indeed, he/she uses only one browser but the
page fails on that browser.

I believe CSS positioning on a complex page invites this.

Mason C ( I'm trying to be convinced otherwise.)

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:49:59 GMT, Mason A. Clark
<masoncNOT@THISix.netcom.comQ> wrote:

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> I believe CSS positioning on a complex page invites this.
>
>[/color]

Maybe the problem lies not with CSS but with the complexity being
attempted...

In message <ttERb.166615$I06.1652351@attbi_s01>, Brian
<usenet2@julietremblay.com.invalid-remove-this-part> writes[color=blue]
>Mason A. Clark wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> For my part, I am entirely unconcerned with differences between
>>>browsers.[/color]
>> Me too. I only browse with one browser at a time.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Who but web developers ever checks a site in more than one browser?[/color]
>> People who browse the web? How many browsers do they use?[/color]
>
>One. Excepting web developers, I have never met anyone who uses more
>than one browser.[/color]

Yes. But which one?
[color=blue]
>Never. I know people who have upgraded, sometimes to
>a competing product. But then, they stop using the old one and
>exclusively use the new one.
>
>Given that, it is silly to worry if a site looks different from one
>browser to another, especially when the difference is trivial.
>[/color]
That's OK if you're just producing a 'hobby' site for your own personal
use ;-)

But, sadly, the current state of affairs means that the differences can
be far from 'trivial' unless various CSS 'hacks' are used to make pages
look somewhat similar across different browsers.

regards.
--
Jake

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:37:39 +0000, jake <jake@gododdin.demon.co.uk>
wrote:
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>>Given that, it is silly to worry if a site looks different from one
>>browser to another, especially when the difference is trivial.
>>[/color]
>That's OK if you're just producing a 'hobby' site for your own personal
>use ;-)
>
>But, sadly, the current state of affairs means that the differences can
>be far from 'trivial' unless various CSS 'hacks' are used to make pages
>look somewhat similar across different browsers.[/color]

What's the problem? Yes, if a site looks *bad* in one browser, that is a
problem. But if it looks good in browser A, and also good but
significantly different in browser B, why is that a problem?

--
Stephen Poley

http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/webmatters/

Brian <usenet2@julietremblay.com.invalid-remove-this-part> wrote:
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>Mason A. Clark wrote:[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> For my part, I am entirely unconcerned with differences between
>>> browsers.[/color]
>>
>> Me too. I only browse with one browser at a time.
>>[color=darkred]
>>> Who but web developers ever checks a site in more than one
>>> browser?[/color]
>>
>> People who browse the web? How many browsers do they use?[/color]
>
>One. Excepting web developers, I have never met anyone who uses more
>than one browser. Never. I know people who have upgraded, sometimes to
>a competing product. But then, they stop using the old one and
>exclusively use the new one.[/color]

I use two. At work I use IE, at home I use Mozilla Firebird.

b.

Brian Logan wrote:[color=blue]
> Brian wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Excepting web developers, I have never met anyone who uses more
>> than one browser. Never. I know people who have upgraded,
>> sometimes to a competing product. But then, they stop using the
>> old one and exclusively use the new one.[/color]
>
> I use two. At work I use IE, at home I use Mozilla Firebird.[/color]

Hadn't thought of that. I'll bet that, in fact, there are quite a few
people in that situation, using one browser at the office, a different
one at home. That may often mean two versions of IE, but could be two
different browsers altogether.

--
Brian (follow directions in my address to email me)
http://www.tsmchughs.com/

I only browse with one browser at a time.[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>Who but web developers ever checks a site in more than one
>>>>browser?
>>>People who browse the web? How many browsers do they use?[/color]
>>One. Excepting web developers, I have never met anyone who uses more
>>than one browser. Never.[/color][/color]

I use 4 on my Mac. Preferably Safari. If for any reason a page I really
want to see does not oper properly with Safari, I try Netscape 7, iCab
and MSIE, usually in that order.

In the office I have no choice, only MSIE on the PC.

--
François de Dardel
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Utilisez mon adresse sur noos seulement
Use only my noos e-mail

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:44:05 +0100, François de Dardel
<fdedardel@netscape.net> wrote:
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> I only browse with one browser at a time.[color=green][color=darkred]
>>>>> Who but web developers ever checks a site in more than one browser?
>>>> People who browse the web? How many browsers do they use?
>>> One. Excepting web developers, I have never met anyone who uses more
>>> than one browser. Never.[/color][/color]
>
> I use 4 on my Mac. Preferably Safari. If for any reason a page I really
> want to see does not oper properly with Safari, I try Netscape 7, iCab
> and MSIE, usually in that order.
>
> In the office I have no choice, only MSIE on the PC.
>[/color]


At home I run Opera 7.23 primarily. Also run IE 5, 5.5 and 6, and
occasionally the most recent Mozilla and, just for fun, NN4.

At school, they give me a W95 machine running IE5 or 5.5 (don't remember
which), so I d/led Opera. Screw 'em, they'll probably cut my job anyway.