I have a top box element that houses the web site title:

#top_section {
height: 20px;
padding: 10px;
text-align: left;
background: navy;
color: white;
}

then the font details for the title:

.top_title {
font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 160%;
letter-spacing: 0.5em;
color: #F0E68C; /* Khaki */
}

Then in the index.html I have:

<div id="top_section">
<p class="top_title">My Website Title</p>
</div>

Now it looks fine in IE6 i.e. navy coloured box with the text in th
middle but in Firebird (Mozilla) the box is ok but the text is on th
bottom, half inside the box half outside.

Can't figure out why, the code seems ok, can anyone help?

Thanks

C.W
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C.W wrote:

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> then the font details for the title:
>
> top_title {[/color]

That selector applies to
<top_title>
elements, maybe you want
p.top_title


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*Martin Honnen*:[color=blue]
> C.W wrote:
>[color=green]
>> top_title {[/color]
>
> That selector applies to <top_title> elements, maybe you want p.top_title[/color]

Or "h1".

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/C.W/:
[color=blue]
> I have a top box element that houses the web site title:
>
> #top_section {
> height: 20px;
> [...]
> }
> [...]
> font-size: 160%;
> [...]
>
> Now it looks fine in IE6 i.e. navy coloured box with the text in the
> middle but in Firebird (Mozilla) the box is ok but the text is on the
> bottom, half inside the box half outside.
>
> Can't figure out why, the code seems ok, can anyone help?[/color]

Remove the 'height: 20px' declaration.

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Thanks for the reply but I don't quite follow?

The code seems ok, what would you replace

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*C.W*:[color=blue]
>
> The code seems ok, what would you replace?[/color]

<p class="top_title">

smells like it really wants to be a true heading, probably 'h1'. Also

<div id="top_section"><p class="top_title">

looks like bad style, but needn't be. Assuming the 'div' is required for
some reason (your CSS didn't look like it),

<div id="top"><p class="title">

seems to be more appropriate with a little more complex CSS selectors:

div#top { /* or just #top ... */}
#top .title { /* or div#top p.title ... */ }

Note the varying specifities.

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Sometimes it gets replaced."
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On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, C.W blurted out, apparently to no-one in
particular and without any kind of context:
[color=blue]
> Thanks for the reply but I don't quite follow?[/color]

This is no way to conduct a usenet discussion. I'm killfiling
forum4designers.com now. If you want to participate in Usenet
groups, you're very welcome to do it properly.

C.W wrote:[color=blue]
> I have a top box element that houses the web site title:
>
> #top_section {
> height: 20px;[/color]

Don't size elements in pixels unless the element will contain fixed
size content, e.g. an image.

height: 5em; /* change to suit your needs */
[color=blue]
> top_title {
> font-size: 160%;[/color]

This is the correct way to size text.
[color=blue]
> <p class="top_title">My Website Title</p>[/color]

This is not a paragraph, so don't mark it up as such.

<div class="siteLogo">My Website Title</div>

It may be more appropriate as a heading on the home page.

<h1 class="siteLogo">My Website Title</h1>
[color=blue]
> Now it looks fine in IE6 i.e. navy coloured box with the text in the
> middle but in Firebird (Mozilla) the box is ok but the text is on the
> bottom, half inside the box half outside.[/color]

The title text, correctly sized in percent, does not fit in the fixed
size container. If you size the container correctly, in a flexible
unit (em units, as above), then the title will fit.
[color=blue]
> Posted via http://www.forum4designers.com[/color]

Posted *via* the web forum, but you're posting *to* a usenet group. So
please follow the conventions of this usenet group. Thank you.

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Stanimir:
Ok can't get rid of the height because if I do the top header bo
height shrinks to fit the text which I don't want. I'd like the box t
be slightly bigger than the text.

Christoph:

Tried your suggestion and it does exactly the same, in fact looking a
it, your suggestion just seems to be name changes, thanks anyway.

I've tried a different approach, see what you think:

CSS:
#top_section {
height: 40px;
text-align: left;
background: navy;
color: white;
}

#top_section h1 {
font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 160%;
letter-spacing: 0.5em;
color: #F0E68C; /* Khaki */
margin: 10px
}

html:
<div id="top_section">
<h1>The Art Of Getting CSS to Work!</h1>
</div>


Is that a better method? I've done away with padding and used margi
instead, also went with Christoph's idea of using the h1 tag.

However still getting problems. Again looks fine in IE6 but Firebir
refuses to recognise the top margin but left margin is ok?
So it budges it to the left but it's still stuck to the roof of th
box

Unregistered
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Unregistered wrote:[color=blue]
> I'd like the box to
> be slightly bigger than the text.[/color]

That's what padding is for. It creates a distance between the border of
the box and the content of the box, so the box is slightly bigger than
the text.
[color=blue]
> CSS:
> #top_section {
> height: 40px;
> text-align: left;
> background: navy;
> color: white;
> }[/color]

Loose the height and put in padding:0.5em 0; /*or something*/
[color=blue]
> html:
> <div id="top_section">
> <h1>The Art Of Getting CSS to Work!</h1>
> </div>[/color]

Why not combine the two in to one:

CSS:

h1#top {
text-align:left;
background:navy;
width:100%;
font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;
font-weight: bold;
font-size: 160%;
letter-spacing: 0.5em;
color: #F0E68C; /* Khaki */
margin: 10px;
padding:0.5em 0; /*or something*/ }

HTML:

<h1 id="top">Get some idea on how padding and margin work together</h1>

See <http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-CSS21-20020802/box.html#mpb-examples>
[color=blue]
> Is that a better method? I've done away with padding and used margin
> instead, also went with Christoph's idea of using the h1 tag.
>
> However still getting problems. Again looks fine in IE6 but Firebird
> refuses to recognise the top margin but left margin is ok?
> So it budges it to the left but it's still stuck to the roof of the
> box![/color]

Use padding-top:0.5em; /*or something*/
[color=blue]
> Unregistered -
> --------------------------------------------------
> Posted via http://www.someforum4dezignorso.invalid[/color]

Get something decent to participate in usenet groups.

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Brian wrote:[color=blue]
> *
> Posted *via* the web forum, but you're posting *to* a usenet group
> So
> please follow the conventions of this usenet group. Thank you.
> *[/color]

Apologies but I have no idea which usenet group I'm even posting to
Unfortunately www.forum4designers.com has left out that small detai
(unless I'm going blind).

Also if you could point out which conventions I've 'broken' I'll mak
sure I don't do it again.

Thanks

C.W
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Alan J. Flavell wrote:[color=blue]
> On Sun, 25 Jan 2004, C.W blurted out, apparently to no-one in
> particular and without any kind of context:
>[color=green]
>> Thanks for the reply but I don't quite follow?[/color]
>
> This is no way to conduct a usenet discussion. I'm killfiling
> forum4designers.com now. If you want to participate in Usenet
> groups, you're very welcome to do it properly.[/color]

I've said this elsewhere (alt.html?): these "web forums" -- often
passing off usenet content as their own, and providing a misleading
interface -- threaten to overwhelm the usenet groups that they provide
access to.

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C.W wrote:[color=blue]
>
> Apologies but I have no idea which usenet group I'm even posting to.[/color]

comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets
[color=blue]
> Unfortunately www.forum4designers.com has left out that small detail[/color]

Indeed, they are passing off usenet content as their own. It is
unethical if you ask me.
[color=blue]
> Also if you could point out which conventions I've 'broken' I'll
> make sure I don't do it again.[/color]

On this message, you quote me and provided attribution. *Thank you*.
That is rare from forum4designers. In another message in this thread,
you did not. When you don't quote, it makes it difficult to follow the
thread.

Some additional pointers:

http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/

You many wish to get a news reader and read this and other
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.* groups directly. For one thing, it is
faster. And it will give you a better idea of the threads. Besides,
Alan Flavell, a knowledgeable regular here, has just announced that
he's killfiling messages from that forum because its users don't know
how to meaningfully participate in usenet.[1] And I suspect that
others may follow suit. If so, the responses you get to queries posted
there may not receive the attention they would in usenet proper.

1. If anyone goes to the forum, you'll see why its participants post
the way they do. The interface is misleading, and there's no mention
of it being an access point to usenet.

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"C.W" <Guest.10lisn@mail.forum4designers.com> wrote in message
news:Guest.10lisn@mail.forum4designers.com...[color=blue]
>
> Thanks for the reply but I don't quite follow?
>
> The code seems ok, what would you replace?[/color]

Your style that starts

top_title {

would be applied to an element that looks like

<top_title ... >...</top_title>

You don't have one. You have an element that looks like this:

<p class="top_title">My Website Title</p>

If your style is meant to be applied to elements with class="top_title", it
has to say so:

.top_title {

Brian wrote:[color=blue]
> 1. If anyone goes to the forum, you'll see why its participants post
> the way they do. The interface is misleading, and there's no mention
> of it being an access point to usenet.[/color]

Announcement from administrator in forum 29 at the forum4designers site
(which I just visited to see what people were talking about):

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"Iain Hallam" ...
| Brian wrote:
| > 1. If anyone goes to the forum, you'll see why its participants post
| > the way they do. The interface is misleading, and there's no mention
| > of it being an access point to usenet.
|
| Announcement from administrator in forum 29 at the forum4designers site
| (which I just visited to see what people were talking about):
.....
| Web Based usenet access opens the doors to the wonderfull world of
| Usenet to new users that may not even know about usenet's existance.

So this *
http://groups.google.com/groups?grou...thoring.styles
heets
Kinda makes the site (forum for designers)
redundant, no?

* I am pretty sure it was mentioned earlier,
I just though I'd include it again in case there
are any poor sods _still_ shackled to that forum.

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Iain Hallam wrote:[color=blue]
> Brian wrote:
>[color=green]
>> If anyone goes to the forum, you'll see why its participants
>> post the way they do. The interface is misleading, and there's no
>> mention of it being an access point to usenet.[/color]
>
> Announcement from administrator in forum 29 at the forum4designers
> site[/color]

A new message, even though they have been acting as an interface for
at least a month. Perhaps longer. My point above is only contradicted
after the fact.
[color=blue]
> The usenet[/color]

"The usenet?" This has me worried that they don't have a real firm
grasp of what they are providing to their users.
[color=blue]
> Second – when you post to these forums, you are actually posting to
> usenet newsgroups.
> Please use good netiquette and be courteous just like when you post
> to our regular forums.[/color]

....such as? No explanation of quoting style. No mention of threading.
And the interface misleads users who don't know about them.

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