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Quote: is it possible to control css with php >

Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can.

The main question being - why?

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Quote: >appplehead2000@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Quote: >is it possible to control css with php >> > >Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can. > >The main question being - why?

I do it for one reason - CSS doesn't support variables. With PHP I can
define some variables or constants at the beginning and then simply use
them later. Makes it very easy to play with different values.

And with some proper HTTP headers at the beginning the PHP-CSS is still
cacheable in browsers.

Micha

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:04:24 +0100, Michael Fesser <netizen@gmx.dewrote:

Quote: .oO(Jerry Stuckle) Quote: >Join Bytes! wrote: Quote: >>is it possible to control css with php >>> >> >Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can. >> >The main question being - why? > I do it for one reason - CSS doesn't support variables. With PHP I can define some variables or constants at the beginning and then simply use them later. Makes it very easy to play with different values. > And with some proper HTTP headers at the beginning the PHP-CSS is still cacheable in browsers.

Indeed. Do provide the correct content-type and some caching headers :).
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Michael Fesser wrote:

Quote: .oO(Jerry Stuckle) > Quote: >Join Bytes! wrote: Quote: >>is it possible to control css with php >>> >Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can. >> >The main question being - why? > I do it for one reason - CSS doesn't support variables. With PHP I can define some variables or constants at the beginning and then simply use them later. Makes it very easy to play with different values. > And with some proper HTTP headers at the beginning the PHP-CSS is still cacheable in browsers. > Micha >

Hi, Micha,

Yes, that I can understand, and I've done similar in the past. But once
I get something I like, I typically just convert it to CSS and let it go
at that.

But that also isn't "controlling" CSS like I think the op wants to do.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:

Quote: Michael Fesser wrote: Quote: >.oO(Jerry Stuckle) >> Quote: >>Join Bytes! wrote: >>>is it possible to control css with php >>>> >>Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can. >>> >>The main question being - why? >> >I do it for one reason - CSS doesn't support variables. With PHP I can >define some variables or constants at the beginning and then simply use >them later. Makes it very easy to play with different values. >> >And with some proper HTTP headers at the beginning the PHP-CSS is still >cacheable in browsers. >> >Micha >> > Hi, Micha, > Yes, that I can understand, and I've done similar in the past. But once I get something I like, I typically just convert it to CSS and let it go at that. > But that also isn't "controlling" CSS like I think the op wants to do. >

Does he mean - say - linking to a stylesheet that is in fact a php script?

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Quote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: Quote: >Michael Fesser wrote: Quote: >>.oO(Jerry Stuckle) >>> >>>Join Bytes! wrote: >>>>is it possible to control css with php >>>>> >>>Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can. >>>> >>>The main question being - why? >>> >>I do it for one reason - CSS doesn't support variables. With PHP I can >>define some variables or constants at the beginning and then simply use >>them later. Makes it very easy to play with different values. >>> >>And with some proper HTTP headers at the beginning the PHP-CSS is still >>cacheable in browsers. >>> >>Micha >>> >> >Hi, Micha, >> >Yes, that I can understand, and I've done similar in the past. But >once I get something I like, I typically just convert it to CSS and >let it go at that. >> >But that also isn't "controlling" CSS like I think the op wants to do. >> Does he mean - say - linking to a stylesheet that is in fact a php script? > >

Yes.

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Greetings, Jerry Stuckle.
In reply to Your message dated Friday, March 14, 2008, 05:24:43,

Quote: Quote: >is it possible to control css with php

Quote: Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can.

Quote: The main question being - why?

In example, You have 3 browsers (Regular desktop, Mobile client (GPRS-WAP and
the like), specialized in-application browser) what should render the same
page without loosing of readability. Yes, You can send different CSS for every
single one, but maintaining 3 different files isn't easy, if they are so
close and You need to make changes in them all if something goes to change.
Much simpler to have PHP script that acting to serve CSS template and adapt it
to every browser. Even then, with server-side caching it's very fast process,
and with proper headers it will be cached on the client side too.


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AnrDaemon wrote:

Quote: Greetings, Jerry Stuckle. In reply to Your message dated Friday, March 14, 2008, 05:24:43, > Quote: Quote: >>is it possible to control css with php > Quote: >Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can. > Quote: >The main question being - why? > In example, You have 3 browsers (Regular desktop, Mobile client (GPRS-WAP and the like), specialized in-application browser) what should render the same page without loosing of readability. Yes, You can send different CSS for every single one, but maintaining 3 different files isn't easy, if they are so close and You need to make changes in them all if something goes to change. Much simpler to have PHP script that acting to serve CSS template and adapt it to every browser. Even then, with server-side caching it's very fast process, and with proper headers it will be cached on the client side too. > >

And even simpler is to have valid CSS which works in all browsers. Then
you don't need hacks like you are promoting.

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Greetings, Jerry Stuckle.
In reply to Your message dated Thursday, April 3, 2008, 08:44:00,

Quote: Quote: Quote: >>>is it possible to control css with php >> Quote: >>Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can. >> Quote: >>The main question being - why? >> >In example, You have 3 browsers (Regular desktop, Mobile client (GPRS-WAP and >the like), specialized in-application browser) what should render the same >page without loosing of readability. Yes, You can send different CSS for every >single one, but maintaining 3 different files isn't easy, if they are so >close and You need to make changes in them all if something goes to change. >Much simpler to have PHP script that acting to serve CSS template and adapt it >to every browser. Even then, with server-side caching it's very fast process, >and with proper headers it will be cached on the client side too.

Quote: And even simpler is to have valid CSS which works in all browsers.

Yes, create a page "Hello, World!" and be happy with it!
Sorry but I need real pages, not dummy examples.

Quote: Then you don't need hacks like you are promoting.

Your words just showing a complete lacks of knowledge in specified situation.
Figure out Yourself, why...


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AnrDaemon wrote:

Quote: Greetings, Jerry Stuckle. In reply to Your message dated Thursday, April 3, 2008, 08:44:00, > Quote: Quote: >>>>is it possible to control css with php >>>Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can. >>>The main question being - why? >>In example, You have 3 browsers (Regular desktop, Mobile client (GPRS-WAP and >>the like), specialized in-application browser) what should render the same >>page without loosing of readability. Yes, You can send different CSS for every >>single one, but maintaining 3 different files isn't easy, if they are so >>close and You need to make changes in them all if something goes to change. >>Much simpler to have PHP script that acting to serve CSS template and adapt it >>to every browser. Even then, with server-side caching it's very fast process, >>and with proper headers it will be cached on the client side too. > Quote: >And even simpler is to have valid CSS which works in all browsers. > Yes, create a page "Hello, World!" and be happy with it! Sorry but I need real pages, not dummy examples. > Quote: >Then you don't need hacks like you are promoting. > Your words just showing a complete lacks of knowledge in specified situation. Figure out Yourself, why... > >

Not at all. A lot of other webmasters I know also create very
complicated pages all the time which work in all browsers. But it
doesn't surprise me that you are incapable of doing it without your hacks.

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Greetings, Jerry Stuckle.
In reply to Your message dated Thursday, April 3, 2008, 16:08:49,

Quote: Quote: Quote: >>>>>is it possible to control css with php >>>>Sure. CSS can be generated with PHP, just like HTML can. >>>>The main question being - why? >>>In example, You have 3 browsers (Regular desktop, Mobile client (GPRS-WAP and >>>the like), specialized in-application browser) what should render the same >>>page without loosing of readability. Yes, You can send different CSS for every >>>single one, but maintaining 3 different files isn't easy, if they are so >>>close and You need to make changes in them all if something goes to change. >>>Much simpler to have PHP script that acting to serve CSS template and adapt it >>>to every browser. Even then, with server-side caching it's very fast process, >>>and with proper headers it will be cached on the client side too. >> Quote: >>And even simpler is to have valid CSS which works in all browsers. >> >Yes, create a page "Hello, World!" and be happy with it! >Sorry but I need real pages, not dummy examples. >> Quote: >>Then you don't need hacks like you are promoting. >> >Your words just showing a complete lacks of knowledge in specified situation. >Figure out Yourself, why...

Quote: Not at all. A lot of other webmasters I know also create very complicated pages all the time which work in all browsers. But it doesn't surprise me that you are incapable of doing it without your hacks.

It is good only if browser support that complicated CSS... Sorry Jerry, but
You're lost in Your ideal world. Sad thing is that, reality different from
Your expectations.


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Greetings, Guillaume.
In reply to Your message dated Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 19:28:26,

Quote: Nice fight. Popcorn anyone ?

Just a note: I've been speaking about 3 completely different browsers. Not
just 3 major desktop browsers that can render 99% of CSS2... but different 99%
each.
I understand the rest of Your post as I were able to write it myself, if
things were the same as You have mentioned. I'm competent with CSS2 and I do
know enough to make it looks almost equally in any of the 3 major desktop
browsers, but not me nor You can make it looks the same in limited built-in
browser or in cell-phone browser (even if it is Opera). Altough both of the
last have some knowledge in CSS, they limiting support in both tags and CSS
directives by different reasons.
I made this post just to reenter the rules under what I have used such
technique (PHP-generated CSS), not to produce more flame.


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