Hello,

Is there a solution to test on local HD a site under differents IE
version. I use Vista and I have IE7. Can I install (with a kind of
procedure) older versions of IE. I tried with virtual Pc but I have
to upload my files prior on the web before testing. As I have no such
place on the web and as I cannot access my folder when I use virtual
Pc, I don't know how to do . If it is possible I prefer to test on my
local HD.
Thk to all for your support.

On Aug 1, 10:54 pm, adminloo...@gmail.com wrote:

Is there a solution to test on local HD a site under differents IE
version. I use Vista and I have IE7. Can I install (with a kind of
procedure) older versions of IE. I tried with virtual Pc but I have
to upload my files prior on the web before testing. As I have no such
place on the web and as I cannot access my folder when I use virtual
Pc, I don't know how to do . If it is possible I prefer to test on my
local HD.

Virtual PC should do the job - if it really needs a server, then you
could install Apache on your workstation to provide it with one.

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/

On 8/1/2007 2:54 PM, adminloozer@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,
>
Is there a solution to test on local HD a site under differents IE
version. I use Vista and I have IE7. Can I install (with a kind of
procedure) older versions of IE. I tried with virtual Pc but I have
to upload my files prior on the web before testing. As I have no such
place on the web and as I cannot access my folder when I use virtual
Pc, I don't know how to do . If it is possible I prefer to test on my
local HD.
Thk to all for your support.
>

After first checking the HTML and CCS at W3C, I then check only with the
latest versions of IE and SeaMonkey. The latter is a Gecko browser; how
my page looks with SeaMonkey is the same as it looks with Firefox,
Camino, and Netscape.

If the W3C checks are okay, then I haven't made any syntax errors in the
page. I use SeaMonkey to check the content and layout. I use IE to see
if the page looks reasonable.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.

Don't ask "Why is there road rage?" Instead, ask
"Why NOT Road Rage?" or "Why Is There No Such
Thing as Fast Enough?"
<http://www.rossde.com/roadrage.html>

<adminloozer@gmail.comwrote in message
news:1186005283.352593.217590@22g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...

Hello,
>
Is there a solution to test on local HD a site under differents IE
version. I use Vista and I have IE7. Can I install (with a kind of
procedure) older versions of IE. I tried with virtual Pc but I have
to upload my files prior on the web before testing. As I have no such
place on the web and as I cannot access my folder when I use virtual
Pc, I don't know how to do . If it is possible I prefer to test on my
local HD.

Google for 'multiple ie'. There is even a site that allows you do download a
zip with every version of IE inside. There is a registry hack you have to
install but it's no big deal.

--
Richard.

On 2 août, 00:33, David Dorward <dorw...@gmail.comwrote:

On Aug 1, 10:54 pm, adminloo...@gmail.com wrote:
>

>
Virtual PC should do the job - if it really needs a server, then you
could install Apache on your workstation to provide it with one.
>
--
David Dorwardhttp://dorward.me.uk/http://blog.dorward.me.uk/

Hello,

first of all thank again to all for your answers. I've found in the
properties of Virtual PC how to share a folder between the normal host
and the guest machine. I've also installed IIS on my normal vista
machine. Under IE7 "http://localhost/" works fine. Trying the same
on the guest machine gives no result. Maybe I've to install IIS on
the guest machine then create a share of the IIS folders of the normal
machine with the guest machine so that I'm able to copy files from
IIS7 to IIS6.. ?

On 2 août, 02:31, "David E. Ross" <nob...@nowhere.notwrote:

On 8/1/2007 2:54 PM, adminloo...@gmail.com wrote:
>

>

>
After first checking the HTML and CCS at W3C, I then check only with the
latest versions of IE and SeaMonkey. The latter is a Gecko browser; how
my page looks with SeaMonkey is the same as it looks with Firefox,
Camino, and Netscape.
>
If the W3C checks are okay, then I haven't made any syntax errors in the
page. I use SeaMonkey to check the content and layout. I use IE to see
if the page looks reasonable.
>
--
>
David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.
>
Don't ask "Why is there road rage?" Instead, ask
"Why NOT Road Rage?" or "Why Is There No Such
Thing as Fast Enough?"
<http://www.rossde.com/roadrage.html>

Hi David,

I'm a beginner and I don't anything about SeaMonkey. Why no testing
with Netscape or fireFox or Opera or Safari. You are testing only
with IE and SeaMonkey? Is there also a need to test with Netscape 4
or 5 ? Im' reading a book about Hacks & Filters and there are a lot
to be care with older version of browser, I never image that.. i'm
starting in webdesign and it seems very hard with all these old
versions and hacks and filters to apply... But, thank for your
support !

On Aug 2, 7:46 am, adminloo...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm a beginner and I don't anything about SeaMonkey. Why no testing
with Netscape or fireFox

SeaMonkey, Netscape and FireFox all use the Gecko rendering engine.
Differences between them are fairly minor.

or Opera or Safari

A lot of authors consider the marketshare of these browsers to be
insignificant. (I don't and do test in them).

You are testing only with IE

He said "only the latest version" which isn't really a good idea. IE6
has major differences from IE7 and still has a significant
marketshare.

Is there also a need to test with Netscape 4 or 5 ?

The marketshare of Netscape 4 really is insignificant, so almost all
developers have dropped support for it.

Netscape 5 has an even smaller marketshare since it was never properly
released.

http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/artic...x.html#history is one
approach towards deciding what browsers to support.

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/

adminloozer@gmail.com writes:

>
first of all thank again to all for your answers. I've found in the
properties of Virtual PC how to share a folder between the normal host
and the guest machine. I've also installed IIS on my normal vista
machine. Under IE7 "http://localhost/" works fine. Trying the same
on the guest machine gives no result.

Of course not - on the guest machine, localhost refers to the guest
machine, not to the host. You should be able to connect to the host
by using its IP address instead of localhost.

Maybe I've to install IIS on
the guest machine then create a share of the IIS folders of the normal
machine with the guest machine so that I'm able to copy files from
IIS7 to IIS6.. ?

*IF* you want to test an .ASP or .NET app on both versions of IIS, it
might be worth doing that. But it's total overkill to run a second IIS
instance in the guest, if all you want is to test multiple IE versions.

sherm--

--
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adminloozer@gmail.com writes:

I'm a beginner and I don't anything about SeaMonkey. Why no testing
with Netscape or fireFox

SeaMonkey is the name of the engine used in Netscape and FireFox. Since
the same engine is used in both, you really only need to test in one
browser that uses it. So, saying "test in SeaMonkey" is just shorthand
for saying "test in Netscape, FireFox, or some other browser that uses
the SeaMonkey engine, whatever you prefer."

Is there also a need to test with Netscape 4 or 5 ?

I wouldn't bother.

Im' reading a book about Hacks & Filters and there are a lot
to be care with older version of browser, I never image that.. i'm
starting in webdesign and it seems very hard with all these old
versions and hacks and filters to apply...

Then don't apply them. Seriously - it's only difficult if you choose to
make it so. "Hacks and filters" is the 90s way of authoring for the web;
standards-based approaches are *much* better supported than they were
back then.

If the book you're using refers to "hacks" for NS 4 compatibility, it's
very badly outdated - it's time to update your library with something
written this century.

sherm--

--
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On 2 août, 09:22, Sherm Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:

adminloo...@gmail.com writes:

>
SeaMonkey is the name of the engine used in Netscape and FireFox. Since
the same engine is used in both, you really only need to test in one
browser that uses it. So, saying "test in SeaMonkey" is just shorthand
for saying "test in Netscape, FireFox, or some other browser that uses
the SeaMonkey engine, whatever you prefer."
>

>
I wouldn't bother.
>

>
Then don't apply them. Seriously - it's only difficult if you choose to
make it so. "Hacks and filters" is the 90s way of authoring for the web;
standards-based approaches are *much* better supported than they were
back then.
>
If the book you're using refers to "hacks" for NS 4 compatibility, it's
very badly outdated - it's time to update your library with something
written this century.
>
sherm--
>
--
Web Hosting by West Virginians, for West Virginians:http://wv-www.net
Cocoa programming in Perl:http://camelbones.sourceforge.net

Hello sherm,

The book I talk is the following:
CSS Hacks and Filters: Making Cascading Stylesheets Work
Joseph W. Lowery, published in June 2005.

As I said, I'm new in webdesign and in chapter 2 he talks about
Filtering CSS for Older Browsers and chapter 3 is "Hiding CSS from
Newer Browsers".
I was just a little bit afraid to make my css style supporting those
older browsers like IE3-4 or NS 4.. but know with your answers I have
more idea on how to test and against what.
(sorry for my poor english, I'm french).

I don't kow if you know this book, any comments welcome.

Thk.

On 2 août, 08:58, David Dorward <dorw...@gmail.comwrote:

On Aug 2, 7:46 am, adminloo...@gmail.com wrote:
>

>
SeaMonkey, Netscape and FireFox all use the Gecko rendering engine.
Differences between them are fairly minor.
>

>
A lot of authors consider the marketshare of these browsers to be
insignificant. (I don't and do test in them).
>

>
He said "only the latest version" which isn't really a good idea. IE6
has major differences from IE7 and still has a significant
marketshare.
>

>
The marketshare of Netscape 4 really is insignificant, so almost all
developers have dropped support for it.
>
Netscape 5 has an even smaller marketshare since it was never properly
released.
>
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/artic...html#historyis one
approach towards deciding what browsers to support.
>
--
David Dorwardhttp://dorward.me.uk/http://blog.dorward.me.uk/

Hi,

And about IE 5.5, is it necessary to test against it or IE6 is enough ?

On Aug 2, 10:11 am, adminloo...@gmail.com wrote:

And about IE 5.5, is it necessary to test against it or IE6 is enough ?

That depends on how concerned you are with that market segment. I gave
up on it a while ago on the principle that its a buggy, insecure,
unsupported piece of junk and that the relative small number of people
still using it shouldn't be encouraged to keep running it.

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/

On Aug 2, 8:22 am, Sherm Pendley <spamt...@dot-app.orgwrote:

adminloo...@gmail.com writes:

>
SeaMonkey is the name of the engine used in Netscape and FireFox.

No, that's Gecko. SeaMonkey is the browser / email / news / etc all in
one client that is the successor to the Mozilla Suite.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/

--
David Dorward
http://dorward.me.uk/
http://blog.dorward.me.uk/

On 2007-08-02, Sherm Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.orgwrote:

adminloozer@gmail.com writes:
>

>
SeaMonkey is the name of the engine used in Netscape and FireFox.

Isn't the engine called "Gecko", and SeaMonkey the name of all the other
stuff built around it? I assume this is why they chose a name vaguely of
the form [Element][Animal].

On 2 Aug, 07:46, adminloo...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm a beginner

Im' reading a book about Hacks & Filters

Stop reading it immediately. I'd strongly suggesting _burning_ it,
it's the only way to be sure.

If you read stuff like this, you'll learn a whole pile of Very Bad
techniques that are of no remaining use, and they'll also pollute your
mind for doing anything useful in the future.

Instead, I strongly recommend reading "Head First HTML with CSS &
XHTML", as that's the _only_ basic tutorial I know of that's not more
misleading than it is helpful.

HTML is basically easy, especially these days, but there's an awful
lot of wrong-headed distraction out there that you have to guard
against. It's all a bit "Pilgrim's Progress" at times...

Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggswrites:

On 2007-08-02, Sherm Pendley <spamtrap@dot-app.orgwrote:

>
Isn't the engine called "Gecko", and SeaMonkey the name of all the other
stuff built around it?

Yeah - my mistake.

sherm--

--
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adminloozer@gmail.com wrote:

>
The book I talk is the following:
CSS Hacks and Filters: Making Cascading Stylesheets Work
Joseph W. Lowery, published in June 2005.

By reading this before you really understand what CSS is *supposed* to
do, you are setting yourself up for a whole pile of frustration and failure.

I don't kow if you know this book, any comments welcome.

Listen to Mr Dingley, please.

--
Berg

On 8/2/2007 12:22 AM, Sherm Pendley wrote:

adminloozer@gmail.com writes:
>

>
SeaMonkey is the name of the engine used in Netscape and FireFox. Since
the same engine is used in both, you really only need to test in one
browser that uses it. So, saying "test in SeaMonkey" is just shorthand
for saying "test in Netscape, FireFox, or some other browser that uses
the SeaMonkey engine, whatever you prefer."
>

>
I wouldn't bother.
>

>
Then don't apply them. Seriously - it's only difficult if you choose to
make it so. "Hacks and filters" is the 90s way of authoring for the web;
standards-based approaches are *much* better supported than they were
back then.
>
If the book you're using refers to "hacks" for NS 4 compatibility, it's
very badly outdated - it's time to update your library with something
written this century.
>
sherm--
>

Yes, standards-based approaches should be the ONLY approaches. That's
why, having verified my syntax via the W3C validators, I only check my
pages against the latest SeaMonkey and IE versions. I'm generally
proof-reading my content, not tweaking the presentation.

I'm not trying to get my pages to look exactly the same in all browsers.
That's impossible.

I would like my page content to be well presented by all browsers.
However, I choose to ignore browser bugs; bugs are someone else's
problem. Thus, I avoid non-standard hacks; and I ignore the constraints
of older browsers. For the latter, I do try to make my content readable
and coherent with CSS suppressed.

--

David E. Ross
<http://www.rossde.com/>.

Don't ask "Why is there road rage?" Instead, ask
"Why NOT Road Rage?" or "Why Is There No Such
Thing as Fast Enough?"
<http://www.rossde.com/roadrage.html>

"David E. Ross" <nobody@nowhere.notwrites:

I would like my page content to be well presented by all browsers.
However, I choose to ignore browser bugs; bugs are someone else's
problem. Thus, I avoid non-standard hacks; and I ignore the constraints
of older browsers. For the latter, I do try to make my content readable
and coherent with CSS suppressed.

Agreed on most counts, but I do try to be pragmatic about it. If an IE 6/7
bug were to make a valid page unreadable, I'd pretty much be forced to find
a technically valid work-around, just because of the sheer number of IE
users.

I haven't found any show-stopper bugs of that variety, mind - just minor
layout glitches that I can live with. I'm just saying, if it ever comes to
the point where 80%+ of the web can't even view a standards-based page at
all, I'd call it my problem, even if it wasn't my fault.

sherm--

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Well bust mah britches and call me cheeky, on Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:34:18
GMT David E. Ross scribed:

What I will not do is implement a non-standard hack to fix how IE
displays a W3C-validated page that displays appropriately with
SeaMonkey.

That's what ie conditional comments are for.

--
Neredbojias
Half lies are worth twice as much as whole lies.