Is there a way, or does anyone know if maybe in CSS3, there is a plan to
implement vertical rotated text? At
http://alamo.nmsu.edu/roundup/schedule.html, in the information I was
provided, "Exhibits Open" is shown rotated to the left reading from the
bottom up.

Other than a graphic, is there any way to implement it? Future plans?

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Stan McCann <me@stanmccann.us> wrote:
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>Is there a way, or does anyone know if maybe in CSS3, there is a plan to
>implement vertical rotated text?[/color]

Earlier versions of the CSS3 proposals contained glyph orientation
properties, but these have been removed from the current draft, as I
understand it because the previous proposal was effectively rejected by
implementors due to being to complex.
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>At
>http://alamo.nmsu.edu/roundup/schedule.html, in the information I was
>provided, "Exhibits Open" is shown rotated to the left reading from the
>bottom up.
>
>Other than a graphic, is there any way to implement it? Future plans?[/color]

SVG has some options for vertical rotated text, and IE has some
proprietary CSS properties that may on occasion be useful for controlled
environments.

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On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:46:57 GMT, Spartanicus
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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>Stan McCann <me@stanmccann.us> wrote:
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>>Is there a way, or does anyone know if maybe in CSS3, there is a plan to
>>implement vertical rotated text?[/color]
>
>Earlier versions of the CSS3 proposals contained glyph orientation
>properties, but these have been removed from the current draft, as I
>understand it because the previous proposal was effectively rejected by
>implementors due to being to complex.[/color]

Which was rather odd as it reached CR, and had implementations, indeed
the largest browser via market share has an implementation. So it
certainly doesn't appear to be something that is difficult to
implement...
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>SVG has some options for vertical rotated text, and IE has some
>proprietary CSS properties that may on occasion be useful for controlled
>environments.[/color]

writing-mode is a CSS3 Candidate Recommendation, that's hardly
"proprietary", it's an explicit call for implementation.

Jim.
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jim@jibbering.com (Jim Ley) wrote:
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>>>Is there a way, or does anyone know if maybe in CSS3, there is a plan to
>>>implement vertical rotated text?[/color]
>>
>>Earlier versions of the CSS3 proposals contained glyph orientation
>>properties, but these have been removed from the current draft, as I
>>understand it because the previous proposal was effectively rejected by
>>implementors due to being to complex.[/color]
>
>Which was rather odd as it reached CR, and had implementations, indeed
>the largest browser via market share has an implementation.[/color]

I'm not sure what you are referring to, afaik IE doesn't support the
once proposed CSS3 glyph-orientation-vertical and
glyph-orientation-horizontal properties I referred to.
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>>SVG has some options for vertical rotated text, and IE has some
>>proprietary CSS properties that may on occasion be useful for controlled
>>environments.[/color]
>
>writing-mode is a CSS3 Candidate Recommendation, that's hardly
>"proprietary", it's an explicit call for implementation.[/color]

My recollection failed me, I thought of IE's "filter" property and
"fliph" and "flipv" values, but on checking my notes these do not
achieve what I think the OP is after.

I'm not familiar with the requirements for displaying non western
languages and if using the writing-mode property for western text
content to achieve a decorative effect has any drawbacks. Furthermore
text written from bottom to top is afaik not supported by the
writing-mode values, unless the text is entered back to front, but that
would be unacceptable.

To achieve the decorative text effect that I think the OP is after
requires glyph rotation, this is not supported by the writing-mode
property.

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Spartanicus <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:fpp012t1ob7slr6o4sk6u44vpgbuqa84nk@news.spart anicus.utvinternet.ie
:
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> Stan McCann <me@stanmccann.us> wrote:
>[color=green]
>>Is there a way, or does anyone know if maybe in CSS3, there is a
>>plan to implement vertical rotated text?[/color]
>
> Earlier versions of the CSS3 proposals contained glyph orientation
> properties, but these have been removed from the current draft, as I
> understand it because the previous proposal was effectively rejected
> by implementors due to being to complex.
>[color=green]
>>At
>>http://alamo.nmsu.edu/roundup/schedule.html, in the information I
>>was provided, "Exhibits Open" is shown rotated to the left reading
>>from the bottom up.
>>
>>Other than a graphic, is there any way to implement it? Future
>>plans?[/color]
>
> SVG has some options for vertical rotated text, and IE has some
> proprietary CSS properties that may on occasion be useful for
> controlled environments.
>[/color]

I figured it was something that I probably couldn't do, at least now.
I looked through the CSS 2.1 recommendation pretty closely and found
nothing.

I found and read some discussion of vertical text but the newest thing
I could find was about 4 years old so I wanted to see some newer
discussion. I'm glad I did as the discussion has been interesting. I
was not aware of the IE support for it.

Unfortunately, this is for a www page so support for IE only isn't good
enough. So, I'll leave it as is. What's there is readable in all
browsers I think. I do have a concern about accessibility the way it
is currently done. Do you suppose a text to speech reader would say:
"E break x break h break ..."? If so, maybe a graphic with
alt="Exhibits Open" might be better in this case?

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Stan McCann <me@stanmccann.us> wrote:
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>Do you suppose a text to speech reader would say:
>"E break x break h break ..."?[/color]

Line breaks are treated as white space, so it would read E x h i b i t s
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>If so, maybe a graphic with
>alt="Exhibits Open" might be better in this case?[/color]

Yes.

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