Why is my page displayed differently on Mac vs. PC browsers?

#1 February 25th, 2006, 03:05 AM

I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
think I'm using just standard simple HTML. In Netscape or Safari on a Mac,
they look fine. In Internet Explorer on a PC, the bottom of the movies are
cut off (size issues with the table cells). Could someone look at the html
here

http://server.drmichaellevin.org/worm_supplement.html

and tell me why this is different on different platforms?

If you don't want to go to the URL, the code is this:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body>
<table width="75%" border="1">
<tr><td>Control</td><td>PCPA</td><td>Reserpine</td></tr>
<tr>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement1.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement2.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement3.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

Thanks in advance!

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mlevin77@comcast.net

#2 February 25th, 2006, 09:15 AM

__/ [ Michael Levin ] on Saturday 25 February 2006 02:50 \__
[color=blue]
> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
> think I'm using just standard simple HTML. In Netscape or Safari on a Mac,
> they look fine. In Internet Explorer on a PC, the bottom of the movies are
> cut off (size issues with the table cells). Could someone look at the html
> here
>
> http://server.drmichaellevin.org/worm_supplement.html
>
> and tell me why this is different on different platforms?
>
> If you don't want to go to the URL, the code is this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
> <html>
> <head>
> <title>Untitled Document</title>
> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
> </head>
>
> <body>
> <table width="75%" border="1">
> <tr><td>Control</td><td>PCPA</td><td>Reserpine</td></tr>
> <tr>
> <td><EMBED SRC="Supplement1.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
> CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true
> PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
> <td><EMBED SRC="Supplement2.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
> CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true
> PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
> <td><EMBED SRC="Supplement3.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
> CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true
> PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> Thanks in advance![/color]

If I recall correctly, Internet Explorer does not interpret "height"
correctly. But then again, I am not sure that "height" within a <td> is
legal either. I have been through that frustration testing loop before. Rest
assured that Internet Explorer is on its way out.

"For quite a while now my main browser has been the open source Mozilla
Firefox browser. But in the interests of fairness, when the public IE7
beta came out I quickly downloaded it and started trying to use it as
my primary browser. I was anxious to see if the newly threatened
Microsoft could turn out something better than the fox. And the answer
is... No, at least not yet..."

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Burnette/?p=15

Best wishes,

Roy

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#3 February 25th, 2006, 11:35 AM

In article <C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
> think I'm using just standard simple HTML.[/color]

10 errors in the HTML according to
http://validator.w3.org/

#4 February 26th, 2006, 12:45 PM

On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
250220060621407007%doozy@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
<doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
> <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
>> think I'm using just standard simple HTML.[/color]
>
> 10 errors in the HTML according to
> http://validator.w3.org/[/color]

Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused - I must
be doing something very basic wrong because it doesn't seem to like anything
about the very short code, and I got it from a frequently-cited example of
how to include MPG in a web page (not to mention, it works correctly on 3
different browsers on a Mac). Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?
All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having to
click on them (they just go, when the page is uploaded). What's a better way
to do it than

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>Untitled Document</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>

<body>
<table width="75%" border="1">
<tr><td>Control</td><td>PCPA</td><td>Reserpine</td></tr>
<tr>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement1.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement2.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
<td><EMBED SRC="Supplement3.mov" WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=300 AUTOPLAY=true
CONTROLLER=true LOOP=true PLUGINSPAGE=http://www.apple.com/quicktime/"></td>
</tr>
</table>
</body>
</html>

--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

#5 February 26th, 2006, 01:25 PM

Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
> 250220060621407007%doozy@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
> <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > In article <C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
> > <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
> >> think I'm using just standard simple HTML.[/color]
> >
> > 10 errors in the HTML according to
> > http://validator.w3.org/[/color]
>
> Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused - I must
> be doing something very basic wrong because it doesn't seem to like anything
> about the very short code, and I got it from a frequently-cited example of
> how to include MPG in a web page (not to mention, it works correctly on 3
> different browsers on a Mac). Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?[/color]

Apparently, EMBED is not allowed in a table element.
I'm not sure if it is allowed at all.

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#6 February 26th, 2006, 01:45 PM

Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
>All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having to
>click on them[/color]

Why?

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#7 February 26th, 2006, 01:45 PM

On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:31:42 +0100, Spartanicus <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:
[color=blue]
> Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having
>> to
>> click on them[/color]
>
> Why?
>[/color]

Because he can? Oh, wait. He can't.

So, why? Good question.

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#8 February 26th, 2006, 05:35 PM

In article <C0270934.1C03D%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
<mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
> 250220060621407007%doozy@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
> <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > In article <C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
> > <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
> >[color=darkred]
> >> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
> >> think I'm using just standard simple HTML.[/color]
> >
> > 10 errors in the HTML according to
> > http://validator.w3.org/[/color]
>
> Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused
> [...] Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?[/color]

First, decide which version of HTML you intend to write.
Put that in your header.
Then feed your page to validator.w3.org
Now, correct the first error it reports.
Then feed it to validator.w3.org again.
Eventually you should converge to a page with valid HTML.

#9 February 26th, 2006, 07:55 PM

On 2/26/06 8:31 AM, in article
ecb302t9r7ldoa4cp33d9vm6athrg56tsm@n...utvinternet.ie,
"Spartanicus" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having to
>> click on them[/color]
>
> Why?[/color]

this will be part of some data that I need to show reviewers of a biology
paper of ours. Each movie has a moving worm in it and I want people to
compare their behavior side-by-side as the movies play together.

--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

#10 February 26th, 2006, 07:55 PM

On 2/26/06 8:33 AM, in article op.s5k1aknzl8uz2z@zoete_b, "Barbara de Zoete"
<trashbin@pretletters.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:31:42 +0100, Spartanicus <invalid@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having
>>> to
>>> click on them[/color]
>>
>> Why?
>>[/color]
>
> Because he can? Oh, wait. He can't.
>
> So, why? Good question.[/color]

I think I'm missing something. Is this really such a weird thing to want
to do (html-wise) or are people just curious as to what I intend to use this
for?

--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

#11 February 26th, 2006, 07:55 PM

On 2/26/06 12:19 PM, in article
260220061219006897%doozy@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
<doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> In article <C0270934.1C03D%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
> <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> On 2/25/06 6:21 AM, in article
>> 250220060621407007%doozy@earthling.net.invalid, "Philo D"
>> <doozy@earthling.net.invalid> wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> In article <C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net>, Michael Levin
>>> <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
>>>> think I'm using just standard simple HTML.
>>>
>>> 10 errors in the HTML according to
>>> http://validator.w3.org/[/color]
>>
>> Wow - thanks - this looks like a very useful tool. But I'm confused
>> [...] Do you have any ideas as to what I'm missing?[/color]
>
> First, decide which version of HTML you intend to write.
> Put that in your header.
> Then feed your page to validator.w3.org
> Now, correct the first error it reports.
> Then feed it to validator.w3.org again.
> Eventually you should converge to a page with valid HTML.[/color]

I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
many things about my short code, I wonder whether rather trying to fix what
I have piece-meal, it might be better to start from scratch and use the
correct elements. I don't want to debug piece by piece if my whole approach
here is misguided and I need to use a different approach for this. How would
people go about displaying 3 quicktime MPG movies to run side-by-side?

--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

#12 February 26th, 2006, 08:55 PM

Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> writes:[color=blue][color=green]
> > Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:[color=darkred]
> >> All I want is a table that plays 3 movies side-by-side, without having to
> >> click on them[/color][/color]
>
> this will be part of some data that I need to show reviewers of a biology
> paper of ours. Each movie has a moving worm in it and I want people to
> compare their behavior side-by-side as the movies play together.[/color]

A problem here is that the videos will load - and therefore may
start playing - at different times. If you have sufficiently capable
video-editing software available, then it might be best to combine the
videos into a single video file that showed the three individual
videos side by side in split-screen.

This reduces it to a much easier problem which can be solved by
embedding or linking to the video file as appropriate (linking will be
easier).

--
Chris

#13 February 26th, 2006, 10:15 PM

Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
> many things about my short code,[/color]

It's not that bad I think. As I said the primary error was the <EMBED>
tag in the table cells. Most other errors followed from that.

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#14 February 26th, 2006, 10:25 PM

On 2/26/06 4:58 PM, in article
1hbe2dt.ohgbf51rc59hcN%andekl_no@saaf_spam.se, "Anders Eklöf"
<andekl_no@saaf_spam.se> wrote:
[color=blue]
> Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
>[color=green]
>> I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
>> many things about my short code,[/color]
>
> It's not that bad I think. As I said the primary error was the <EMBED>
> tag in the table cells. Most other errors followed from that.[/color]

ok; can you suggest an alternative that would be valid (or more
importantly, would display correctly in Internet Explorer on a PC)?

--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

#15 February 26th, 2006, 10:35 PM

Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>> I understand the process of debugging but since this validator hated so
>>> many things about my short code,[/color]
>>
>> It's not that bad I think. As I said the primary error was the <EMBED>
>> tag in the table cells. Most other errors followed from that.[/color]
>
> ok; can you suggest an alternative that would be valid (or more
>importantly, would display correctly in Internet Explorer on a PC)?[/color]

You've been given good advice for your situation, edit the three videos
into one, then link to the video.

--
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#16 February 27th, 2006, 01:25 AM

On 2/26/06 3:42 PM, in article 87r75pyhqs.fsf@dinopsis.dur.ac.uk, "Chris
Morris" <c.i.morris@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
[color=blue]
> A problem here is that the videos will load - and therefore may
> start playing - at different times. If you have sufficiently capable
> video-editing software available, then it might be best to combine the
> videos into a single video file that showed the three individual
> videos side by side in split-screen.
>
> This reduces it to a much easier problem which can be solved by
> embedding or linking to the video file as appropriate (linking will be
> easier).[/color]

good idea (I hadn't seen this post before now)! Can you suggest any such
software? I've got iMovie and QuickTime Pro, neither of which seem to allow
me to do that. I can get hold of a PC if need be (I do most of my work on a
Mac); is there a good program that allows side-by-side linking?

Mike

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mlevin77@comcast.net

#17 February 27th, 2006, 01:25 AM

On 2/26/06 5:30 PM, in article
vna402t7aue92jj1a29j45638i9egvi6b4@n...utvinternet.ie,
"Spartanicus" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[color=blue]
> You've been given good advice for your situation, edit the three videos
> into one, then link to the video.[/color]

good idea! I hadn't seen this post before now - I think it hadn't made it to
my news server when I posted my last reply. Anyway, can you suggest any such
software? I've got iMovie and QuickTime Pro, neither of which seem to allow
me to do that. I can get hold of a PC if need be (I do most of my work on a
Mac); is there a good program that allows side-by-side linking?

--

Mike Levin
mlevin77@comcast.net

#18 February 27th, 2006, 09:15 AM

Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> You've been given good advice for your situation, edit the three videos
>> into one, then link to the video.[/color]
>
>good idea! I hadn't seen this post before now - I think it hadn't made it to
>my news server when I posted my last reply. Anyway, can you suggest any such
>software? I've got iMovie and QuickTime Pro, neither of which seem to allow
>me to do that. I can get hold of a PC if need be (I do most of my work on a
>Mac); is there a good program that allows side-by-side linking?[/color]

Any decent video editor should do, the best known video editor for the
Mac is probably Adobe Premiere.

Use the video *source* files to create the new video, not compressed
file formats such as QuickTime.

--
Spartanicus

#19 March 3rd, 2006, 08:38 AM

"Michael Levin" <mlevin77@comcast.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:C0253034.1BF91%mlevin77@comcast.net...[color=blue]
> I have a very simple page, which shows 3 Quicktime movies in a table. I
> think I'm using just standard simple HTML. In Netscape or Safari on a Mac,
> they look fine. In Internet Explorer on a PC, the bottom of the movies are
> cut off (size issues with the table cells). Could someone look at the html
> here
>
> http://server.drmichaellevin.org/worm_supplement.html
>
> and tell me why this is different on different platforms?
>
> If you don't want to go to the URL, the code is this:
>
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">[/color]
[snip][color=blue]
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --
>
> Mike Levin
> mlevin77@comcast.net
>[/color]

I may be missing something, but your code works beautifully in
IE 6.0 on two PCs here, both with Win2000 SP4 and WinXP Prof
2002 SP2. Nor height problem with MOVs, nothing cut off!

Siggi

#20 March 3rd, 2006, 01:35 PM

Michael Ulrich <smusnmrNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> I may be missing something, but your code works beautifully in
> IE 6.0 on two PCs here, both with Win2000 SP4 and WinXP Prof
> 2002 SP2. Nor height problem with MOVs, nothing cut off![/color]

Well, his post was 6 days ago, so there's a strong possibility he's made
changes since then.

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#21 March 3rd, 2006, 02:45 PM

"Mike Rosenberg" <mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1hbm71s.17dn01yp1lhm0N%mike@POSTTOGROUP.inval id...
[color=blue]
> Well, his post was 6 days ago, so there's a strong possibility he's made
> changes since then.[/color]

I know I'm a bit slow; just wondered what his problem was.
I have none with his original code.

Siggi

#22 March 3rd, 2006, 11:45 PM

Michael Ulrich <smusnmrNOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote:
[color=blue]
> "Mike Rosenberg" <mike@POSTTOGROUP.invalid> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:1hbm71s.17dn01yp1lhm0N%mike@POSTTOGROUP.inval id...
>[color=green]
> > Well, his post was 6 days ago, so there's a strong possibility he's made
> > changes since then.[/color]
>
> I know I'm a bit slow; just wondered what his problem was.
> I have none with his original code.[/color]

It's still there - he didn't change it.
As I see it, the problem is that EMBED is not approved by W3C, and
thus there is no standard on the implementation of such elements.
So it may look different in different browsers

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#23 March 4th, 2006, 12:25 PM

In article <C027BCDC.1C0CD%mlevin77@comcast.net>,
Michael Levin <mlevin77@comcast.net> wrote:
[color=blue]
> On 2/26/06 3:42 PM, in article 87r75pyhqs.fsf@dinopsis.dur.ac.uk, "Chris
> Morris" <c.i.morris@durham.ac.uk> wrote:
>[color=green]
> > A problem here is that the videos will load - and therefore may
> > start playing - at different times. If you have sufficiently capable
> > video-editing software available, then it might be best to combine the
> > videos into a single video file that showed the three individual
> > videos side by side in split-screen.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> good idea (I hadn't seen this post before now)! Can you suggest any such
> software? I've got iMovie and QuickTime Pro, neither of which seem to allow
> me to do that.[/color]

Off-topic, but QuickTime Player Pro allows it like this:
1) Create a still image of the desired movie size.
2) Import it as image sequence.
3) Paste the three movies in (each at the start of the new movie) using
the Add to Movie command (command-option-v) instead of regular paste.
4) In the properties of the video tracks (command-j) adjust the offset
of the second and third track.
5) Turn on High Quality on all video tracks to prevent flicker.
6) Export using a more efficient codec (e.g. Animation in this case).

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