I'm having a display issue with my page, http://www.Gatorgrad.com, in IE6
and IE7b2. I know it's not the browser of choice, but I think the majority
of windows users still use IE so I'd like to fix the problem.

The issue: When the content of one of my pages extends beyond the bottom of
the screen, IE places a scroll bar on the right side as it should. However,
it doesn't squeeze the content to make room for it. Instead, I get a scroll
bar at the bottom, allowing the viewer to scroll that little bit to the
right to see what that right scroll bar is covering.

This doesn't happen in Firefox. Is there a problem with my code? Can I add a
line of code for IE users to prevent that? I've tried limiting the width of
my content both in the html and the css with no success. I haven't seen this
problem on other sites so I imagine it's something wrong with my code.

If you have the time, please take a look at it and let me know if there is a
fix. Thanks so much

Jim W.
http://www.gatorgrad.com

.. wrote:
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> I'm having a display issue with my page, http://www.Gatorgrad.com,[/color]

http://gatorgrad.home.att.net/
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> in IE6 and IE7b2. I know it's not the browser of choice, but I think
> the majority of windows users still use IE so I'd like to fix the
> problem.
>
> The issue: When the content of one of my pages[/color]

Would this be one of the pages with the problem?
http://home.att.net/~gatorgrad/index2.html
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> extends beyond the bottom of the screen, IE places a scroll bar on the
> right side as it should. However, it doesn't squeeze the content to
> make room for it. Instead, I get a scroll bar at the bottom, allowing
> the viewer to scroll that little bit to the right to see what that
> right scroll bar is covering.[/color]

I'd say it is the table columns both set at 50% width. You're not taking
into account default margins. Try setting each to about 48% and see what
happens.

Your column of RSS is blank if JavaScript is disabled. :-(

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Thanks, I'll try the width suggestion. I didn't understand what you meant
about a "column of RSS" and Javascript being disabled. Did you mean you had
a problem with the RSS since your javascript is disabled? Do you know a fix
for that RSS/Java problem? I really appreciate your suggestions.

Jim W.
http://www.gatorgrad.com


Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:[color=blue]
> . wrote:
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>> I'm having a display issue with my page, http://www.Gatorgrad.com,[/color]
>
> http://gatorgrad.home.att.net/
>[color=green]
>> in IE6 and IE7b2. I know it's not the browser of choice, but I think
>> the majority of windows users still use IE so I'd like to fix the
>> problem.
>>
>> The issue: When the content of one of my pages[/color]
>
> Would this be one of the pages with the problem?
> http://home.att.net/~gatorgrad/index2.html
>[color=green]
>> extends beyond the bottom of the screen, IE places a scroll bar on
>> the right side as it should. However, it doesn't squeeze the content
>> to make room for it. Instead, I get a scroll bar at the bottom,
>> allowing the viewer to scroll that little bit to the right to see
>> what that right scroll bar is covering.[/color]
>
> I'd say it is the table columns both set at 50% width. You're not
> taking into account default margins. Try setting each to about 48%
> and see what happens.
>
> Your column of RSS is blank if JavaScript is disabled. :-([/color]

[color=blue][color=green]
>>
>> The issue: When the content of one of my pages
>> extends beyond the bottom of the screen, IE places a scroll bar on
>> the right side as it should. However, it doesn't squeeze the content
>> to make room for it. Instead, I get a scroll bar at the bottom,
>> allowing the viewer to scroll that little bit to the right to see
>> what that right scroll bar is covering.[/color]
>
> I'd say it is the table columns both set at 50% width. You're not
> taking into account default margins. Try setting each to about 48%
> and see what happens.
>[/color]

I tried the width, no difference. :(
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> Your column of RSS is blank if JavaScript is disabled. :-([/color]

.. wrote:

Jim, please don't top-post.
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> Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:[color=green]
>> . wrote:
>>[color=darkred]
>>> I'm having a display issue with my page, http://www.Gatorgrad.com,[/color]
>>
>> http://gatorgrad.home.att.net/
>>[color=darkred]
>>> in IE6 and IE7b2. I know it's not the browser of choice, but I think
>>> the majority of windows users still use IE so I'd like to fix the
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> The issue: When the content of one of my pages[/color]
>>
>> Would this be one of the pages with the problem?
>> http://home.att.net/~gatorgrad/index2.html
>>[color=darkred]
>>> extends beyond the bottom of the screen, IE places a scroll bar on
>>> the right side as it should. However, it doesn't squeeze the content
>>> to make room for it. Instead, I get a scroll bar at the bottom,
>>> allowing the viewer to scroll that little bit to the right to see
>>> what that right scroll bar is covering.[/color]
>>
>> I'd say it is the table columns both set at 50% width. You're not
>> taking into account default margins. Try setting each to about 48%
>> and see what happens.[/color][/color]
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> Thanks, I'll try the width suggestion.[/color]
[then,][color=blue]
> I tried the width, no difference. :([/color]

At this moment, I still see 50% on the page:
http://home.att.net/~gatorgrad/index2.html

What page have you changed? Specific att.net link to page, please, not a
frames link.

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>> Your column of RSS is blank if JavaScript is disabled. :-([/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> I didn't understand what you meant about a "column of RSS" and
> Javascript being disabled.[/color]
[color=blue]
> Did you mean you had a problem with the RSS since your javascript is
> disabled? Do you know a fix for that RSS/Java problem? I really
> appreciate your suggestions.[/color]

In the page, JavaScript is used to write the HTML. Ex:

// Print out the table containing the headlines
document.writeln("<CENTER><TABLE BORDER="+cluster_border+"
BGCOLOR='#"+cluster_bgcolor+"' WIDTH='"+width+"' CELLPADDING=2
CELLSPACING=0>");
....etc

If I, or any other visitor, has JavaScript disabled for .. security
reasons .. annoyance factor .. stripped by corporate firewalls .. all
that is seen in your right-hand column is empty space.

Oh, if you weren't aware, JavaScript != Java
They are two entirely different animals.

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> Jim, please don't top-post.

I don't know what top posting is. I'm sorry if I'm not complying with all
the proper newsgroup etiquet yet. I'll work on that.
[color=blue]
> At this moment, I still see 50% on the page:
> http://home.att.net/~gatorgrad/index2.html
>
> What page have you changed? Specific att.net link to page, please, not a
> frames link.[/color]

I changed the 50% to 45%, refreshed the page in IE and saw no effect so I
changed it back.
[color=blue]
> In the page, JavaScript is used to write the HTML. Ex:
>
> // Print out the table containing the headlines
> document.writeln("<CENTER><TABLE BORDER="+cluster_border+"
> BGCOLOR='#"+cluster_bgcolor+"' WIDTH='"+width+"' CELLPADDING=2
> CELLSPACING=0>");
> ...etc
>
> If I, or any other visitor, has JavaScript disabled for .. security
> reasons .. annoyance factor .. stripped by corporate firewalls .. all
> that is seen in your right-hand column is empty space.
>
> Oh, if you weren't aware, JavaScript != Java
> They are two entirely different animals.[/color]

Sorry for referring to JavaScript as Java, I was going for brevity as I did
not know there was an important diference. The right column is java or
javascript generated by a service to provide updated links to current news
articles. That is not the source of this problem either.

Thanks to a comment you made I tracked the source of the problem to the code
provided by the domain forwarding service I use. If I use the actual
address of the content: http://gatorgrad.att.net/index2.html, I don't have
the scroll bar issue. But if I go to http://www.gatorgrad.com/index2.html
then I do have the problem. I'll need to work with the forward service on
that I suppose. Regardless of that, Firefox (or other browsers I've tried)
do not have that scroll bar issue regardless of the service's code. I think
it's a flaw that IE has this problem.

The code from the forwarding service is:

<HTML><HEAD>
<TITLE>www.Gatorgrad.com</TITLE>
<META NAME="description" CONTENT="Home of Gatorgrad. Computer help, security
tips, pictures, utilities, podcasts, and more">
<META NAME="keywords" CONTENT="Gatorgrad, Jim's Web Page, Tech, Security">
</HEAD>
<FRAMESET border=0 rows="100%,*" frameborder="no" marginleft=0 margintop=0
marginright=0 marginbottom=0>
<frame src="http://gatorgrad.home.att.net/index2.html" scrolling=auto
frameborder="no" border=0 noresize>
<frame topmargin="0" marginwidth=0 scrolling=no marginheight=0
frameborder="no" border=0 noresize>
</FRAMESET>
<NOFRAMES><BODY><P>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Home of Gatorgrad. Computer help, security tips, pictures,
utilities, podcasts, and more</BLOCKQUOTE><P>
<A HREF="http://gatorgrad.home.att.net/index2.html">Click here to go to
www.gatorgrad.com</A></BODY></NOFRAMES>
</HTML>Thanks again,Jim W.http://www.gatorgrad.com

.. wrote:[color=blue]
> I'm having a display issue with my page, http://www.Gatorgrad.com, in IE
>
> The issue: When the content of one of my pages extends beyond the bottom of
> the screen, IE places a scroll bar on the right side as it should. However,
> it doesn't squeeze the content to make room for it.[/color]

The code for the RSS feed is setting a nested table width to 350(px).
When the browser window is narrow enough, it will cause horizontal
scrolling of the right frame. Get rid of the fixed width if you want to
get rid of horizontal scrolling.

Better yet, get rid of the frames altogether. The subject of frames has
been done to death, but here are some relevant links
<URL:http://allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?Problems_with_using_frames>
<URL:http://allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?Include_one_file_in_another>

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kchayka wrote:[color=blue]
> The code for the RSS feed is setting a nested table width to 350(px).
> When the browser window is narrow enough, it will cause horizontal
> scrolling of the right frame. Get rid of the fixed width if you want
> to get rid of horizontal scrolling.
>
> Better yet, get rid of the frames altogether. The subject of frames
> has been done to death, but here are some relevant links
> <URL:http://allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?Problems_with_using_frames>
> <URL:http://allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?Include_one_file_in_another>[/color]

Thanks for the tip. However the nested table is not the cause as this same
problem occurs on other pages without nexted tables with fixed widths or any
tables for that matter. No matter how wide the window, the horizontal
scrollbar still appears.

I'm seriously looking into getting rid of the frames but I'm having issue
with how the left navbar displays using only CSS. I don't want the left nav
bar to scroll with the page, but if I make that div position fixed and the
viewers window is too small, it cuts off the navbar rather than allowing a
scroll bar as in frames. Also I'd have to add the code for the navbar to
each page on my site. If my host allowed PHP I could get around that issue
but no such luck. As out of fashion as frames may be, I'll probably stick
with that rather than shopping for a new host.

Jim W.
http://www.gatorgrad.com